Did Michael Start Some Rumors Himself?

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Did Michael Start Some Rumors Himself?

  • on: October 25, 2010, 04:52:37 PM
The story about him sleeping in a hyperbaric chamber..

The story about him trying to buy the bones of the Elephant Man..

Were these rumors started by Michael himself?
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Re: Did Michael Start Some Rumors Himself?

  • on: October 25, 2010, 05:12:16 PM
According to MJ's former publicist, Michael Levine, yes, they started those rumours, with Michael's approval. But I believe only the 2 stories you mentioned.
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Re: Did Michael Start Some Rumors Himself?

  • on: October 25, 2010, 05:22:04 PM
According to one author, he started the real Billie Jean saga.  In my opinion, that was brilliant and it worked like a charm.
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Re: Did Michael Start Some Rumors Himself?

  • on: October 25, 2010, 07:13:55 PM
I know it's common among stars to create stories about themselves so they can appear in the media as often as possible; stories which make them more interesting to the everyday people.
I'm almost sure Michael created some rumours about himself too...unfortunately. If he really did, then (even though it was a common thing to do for people like him) probably it was partly his mistake that later he had to suffer by the uncountable rumours the media found out... It's very sad - this entertainment business has many disadvantages.
I feel sorry for Michael for what he had to suffer because of the media, but at the same time I find it a bad decision to create rumours (if he really did) to be more successful.
Lying hardly ever brings positive outcomes...
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Re: Did Michael Start Some Rumors Himself?

  • on: October 25, 2010, 07:33:48 PM
He probably did not think before he started these rumours, that in the long run things can get out of hand. He probably found it funny, than everyone (media) thought he was a freak. Once he tried to say it was not true nobody believed him and the media made a mountain out of a moe hill. If you noticed that's when everything started going down hill for him. I think Michael did not need any promoting, he did not need to start these rumours he was already the king of pop and nothing would have changed that. He is the best... Love and blessings.
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Re: Did Michael Start Some Rumors Himself?

  • on: October 25, 2010, 08:12:08 PM
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He probably did not think before he started these rumours, that in the long run things can get out of hand. He probably found it funny, than everyone (media) thought he was a freak. Once he tried to say it was not true nobody believed him and the media made a mountain out of a moe hill. If you noticed that's when everything started going down hill for him. I think Michael did not need any promoting, he did not need to start these rumours he was already the king of pop and nothing would have changed that. He is the best... Love and blessings.
He was too young then I think (even though he was in the business since ever) and probably just followed what others did and what his manager told him... Everyone makes mistakes...

And yes, he would have been just as a great star without those rumours - if not greater (without haters).

"The least initial deviation from the truth is multiplied later a thousandfold."  ~Aristotle
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Re: Did Michael Start Some Rumors Himself?

  • on: October 25, 2010, 09:24:44 PM
Who cares, however the media and other people took it to the extreme with their other rumors and lies that was very, very hurtful and disrespectful.
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Re: Did Michael Start Some Rumors Himself?

  • on: October 25, 2010, 09:49:14 PM
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Who cares

I do...Otherwise I would not have asked...I find it to be interesting
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Re: Did Michael Start Some Rumors Himself?

  • on: October 25, 2010, 11:14:48 PM
LMP said Michael is a master at manipulating the media and I had heard before that it was him who started those rumors - to create a mystery.  I also remember reading that when he was giving the tabloids the oxygen chamber and elephant man stories that he wanted them to pepper in the word "bizarre".  

Perhaps it backfired on him but it kept people wondering which is what his goal was, I think.

And speaking of starting rumors, who do you think started the rumor back in Dec '08/Jan '09 that MJ "would be dead in 6 months"?   ;)
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Re: Did Michael Start Some Rumors Himself?

  • on: October 26, 2010, 01:39:33 AM
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LMP said Michael is a master at manipulating the media and I had heard before that it was him who started those rumors - to create a mystery.  I also remember reading that when he was giving the tabloids the oxygen chamber and elephant man stories that he wanted them to pepper in the word "bizarre".  

Perhaps it backfired on him but it kept people wondering which is what his goal was, I think.

And speaking of starting rumors, who do you think started the rumor back in Dec '08/Jan '09 that MJ "would be dead in 6 months"?   ;)
Possibly.

By the way I agree with whoever said it that starting them himself wasn't a good idea.. He was "mysterious" enough back then, anyway..
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Re: Did Michael Start Some Rumors Himself?

  • on: October 26, 2010, 07:44:27 AM
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LMP said Michael is a master at manipulating the media and I had heard before that it was him who started those rumors - to create a mystery.  I also remember reading that when he was giving the tabloids the oxygen chamber and elephant man stories that he wanted them to pepper in the word "bizarre".  

Perhaps it backfired on him but it kept people wondering which is what his goal was, I think.

And speaking of starting rumors, who do you think started the rumor back in Dec '08/Jan '09 that MJ "would be dead in 6 months"?
  ;)
Lies usually backfires, that's why I worry so much what will happen when Michael comes back.
Of course, now, as so many people are involved in this hoax, I'm sure it's very well planned, and the goal is something which is acceptable by everyone involved. Acceptable enough that they even lie for it.
But I still have a bad feeling about this whole thing... Mainly because I don't think or feel that they started it because Michael's life was threatened. That would be the only acceptable reason for this hoax for me...

And this is what I'm afraid will happen (just as it happened after the oxygen chamber story with other things Michael said and were really true):
Liars when they speak the truth are not believed.
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Re: Did Michael Start Some Rumors Himself?

  • on: October 26, 2010, 09:25:08 AM
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LMP said Michael is a master at manipulating the media and I had heard before that it was him who started those rumors - to create a mystery.  I also remember reading that when he was giving the tabloids the oxygen chamber and elephant man stories that he wanted them to pepper in the word "bizarre".  

Perhaps it backfired on him but it kept people wondering which is what his goal was, I think.

And speaking of starting rumors, who do you think started the rumor back in Dec '08/Jan '09 that MJ "would be dead in 6 months"?
  ;)
Lies usually backfires, that's why I worry so much what will happen when Michael comes back.
Of course, now, as so many people are involved in this hoax, I'm sure it's very well planned, and the goal is something which is acceptable by everyone involved. Acceptable enough that they even lie for it.
But I still have a bad feeling about this whole thing... Mainly because I don't think or feel that they started it because Michael's life was threatened. That would be the only acceptable reason for this hoax for me...

And this is what I'm afraid will happen (just as it happened after the oxygen chamber story with other things Michael said and were really true):
Liars when they speak the truth are not believed.
Aristotle

I think that when/if Michael BAMs, he will definitely have some explaining to do and I'm sure that his explanation will be quite profound and many people will accept it whatever it is.  Many won't, but Michael knows this.  I don't think Michael is a bad person for lying - he has his reasons and only he knows for sure what those reasons are.  And if he has to lie then he probably didn't really have a choice about it.  He is very brave for taking all the risks involved with faking his death.

I think that we are an integral part of the hoax, he needs the believers to figure out the clues he left for us, to help spread awareness of the evils going on in the world and to vindicate him for all the lies that were said about him.  When he BAMs, he will need us there to say I told you so to all those who just accepted that he "died" and refused to see all the evidence and clues that were left to those willing to look beyond mainstream media reporting.
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Re: Did Michael Start Some Rumors Himself?

  • on: October 26, 2010, 10:26:33 AM
I also remember hearing a long time ago that the Elephant Man/hyperbaric chamber rumours were leaked by MJ's camp as he wanted to create an auro of mystery and fascination around himself, the reasons I read at the time were his fascination with PT Barnum and Howard Hughes, people who are even today still remembered for their eccentricities and oddness.  I do also remember reading that as soon as Michael made himself less accessible to the press and wouldn't play to their tune as it were, they turned on him and decided there were enough wild rumours circulating that they could print whatever they liked and people would likely believe it.  Maybe they discovered he himself had started those two rumours himself and they didn't like being used for his benefit so they decided to teach him a lesson.  By anyone's standards, they went WAY too far and that's putting it mildly.
  He was crucified by the media and even when he tried to set things straight via TV interviews they were edited to show him in a bad light.  Watching the Bashir "documentary" is hard because you can feel his pain so many times but he's still being hounded by questions he doesn't want to answer and that frankly are none of anyone's business.  If someone wants to change their appearance by plastic surgery then that's their choice, millions of other people do it and they aren't hounded over it.  Look at Priscilla Presley for heaven's sake, she looks like a mannequin.  When she was on Oprah with LMP I didn't hear Oprah asking her why she felt the need to do that to herself.  Because it's private and personal.  
With Michael though the press decided at some point that he was fair game and not entitled to a private life.  True, no other artist had experienced the phenomenal success he had achieved so it was uncharted territory but I think because he had been famous since he was little there was a sense that the world "owned" him, and the press probably felt that he owed them for all the coverage.  If the world would just wake up to the sensationalist tabloid media (and there are people in the showbiz heirachy in the USA who have been decrying it for years, like The Simpsons writers, producers and creators), then Michael would get the apology he has so deserved for so many years from the media because the PEOPLE would demand it.
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Re: Did Michael Start Some Rumors Himself?

  • on: October 26, 2010, 10:42:31 AM
"Artists use lies to tell the truth" - V for Vendetta
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Re: Did Michael Start Some Rumors Himself?

  • on: October 26, 2010, 10:42:44 AM
I think in the end we can only speculate, because we never know who is honest with us and who isn't. Dieter Wiesner, for example, stated that Michael's people put those stories out without his approval.
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Re: Did Michael Start Some Rumors Himself?

  • on: October 26, 2010, 10:48:28 AM
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I think that when/if Michael BAMs, he will definitely have some explaining to do and I'm sure that his explanation will be quite profound and many people will accept it whatever it is.  Many won't, but Michael knows this.  I don't think Michael is a bad person for lying - he has his reasons and only he knows for sure what those reasons are.  And if he has to lie then he probably didn't really have a choice about it.  He is very brave for taking all the risks involved with faking his death.

I think that we are an integral part of the hoax, he needs the believers to figure out the clues he left for us, to help spread awareness of the evils going on in the world and to vindicate him for all the lies that were said about him.  When he BAMs, he will need us there to say I told you so to all those who just accepted that he "died" and refused to see all the evidence and clues that were left to those willing to look beyond mainstream media reporting.
This is the positive way of thinking about the outcomes - and I hope you are right and everything will be allright.
But I can't help being worried.

"And if he has to lie then he probably didn't really have a choice about it. "
If his life was in danger then he didn't have a choice, but otherwise, IMO, he did have.

About vindication: His name is getting clearer and clearer during this hoax, and I'm very happy about it, BUT I'm afraid it can STAY that way only if he doesn't come back.
Imagine the shock of people if Michael comes back and they realize they were lied to. I don't think most of them will think "this was the right way to clear your name Michael".
Mainly because - like I said - even for me the only acceptable reason would be that his life was in danger. I don't think it's right to lie this big for other reasons. Okay, maybe if he could help the world with this hoax A LOT, then it probably will end good, and most people (me included, of course) will celebrate him. But I think those who really cause this world the biggest problems, are too big fish for Michael and what he can reach with this hoax. But -of course - I don't know what's really going on in the background.

Anyway, I will always love him and wish him the best - I'm just worried.
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Re: Did Michael Start Some Rumors Himself?

  • on: October 26, 2010, 10:56:04 AM
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I think that when/if Michael BAMs, he will definitely have some explaining to do and I'm sure that his explanation will be quite profound and many people will accept it whatever it is.  Many won't, but Michael knows this.  I don't think Michael is a bad person for lying - he has his reasons and only he knows for sure what those reasons are.  And if he has to lie then he probably didn't really have a choice about it.  He is very brave for taking all the risks involved with faking his death.

I think that we are an integral part of the hoax, he needs the believers to figure out the clues he left for us, to help spread awareness of the evils going on in the world and to vindicate him for all the lies that were said about him.  When he BAMs, he will need us there to say I told you so to all those who just accepted that he "died" and refused to see all the evidence and clues that were left to those willing to look beyond mainstream media reporting.
This is the positive way of thinking about the outcomes - and I hope you are right and everything will be allright.
But I can't help being worried.

"And if he has to lie then he probably didn't really have a choice about it. "
If his life was in danger then he didn't have a choice, but otherwise, IMO, he did have.

About vindication: His name is getting clearer and clearer during this hoax, and I'm very happy about it, BUT I'm afraid it can STAY that way only if he doesn't come back.
Imagine the shock of people if Michael comes back and they realize they were lied to. I don't think most of them will think "this was the right way to clear your name Michael".
Mainly because - like I said - even for me the only acceptable reason would be that his life was in danger. I don't think it's right to lie this big for other reasons. Okay, maybe if he could help the world with this hoax A LOT, then it probably will end good, and most people (me included, of course) will celebrate him. But I think those who really cause this world the biggest problems, are too big fish for Michael and what he can reach with this hoax. But -of course - I don't know what's really going on in the background.

Anyway, I will always love him and wish him the best - I'm just worried.

I must admit that I am worried too.  :|  We gotta keep the faith!
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Re: Did Michael Start Some Rumors Himself?

  • on: October 26, 2010, 11:17:26 AM
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I think in the end we can only speculate, because we never know who is honest with us and who isn't. Dieter Wiesner, for example, stated that Michael's people put those stories out without his approval.
Then Michael could have made a statement right away about it, I guess.
Of course, probably many people still would have believed those rumours anyway, as many people LIKE these stories. And THIS IS the problem. People buy those magazines because they like reading gossips.
People have always liked to hear and to talk about gossips, we don't have to go too far to see it... And this cannot be changed I'm afraid. And until there will be people like these, there will be tabloids and hurtful stories about celebrities...
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Re: Did Michael Start Some Rumors Himself?

  • on: October 26, 2010, 11:20:06 AM
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"Artists use lies to tell the truth" - V for Vendetta
How? Sounds strange... And not too good either... (I didn't see the movie).
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Re: Did Michael Start Some Rumors Himself?

  • on: October 26, 2010, 11:25:13 AM
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"Artists use lies to tell the truth" - V for Vendetta
How? Sounds strange... And not too good either... (I didn't see the movie).

The movie is awesome. And the complete quote is "Artists use lies to tell the truth, politicians use lies to cover up the truth".

It's pretty simple. Artists uses lies (works of art especially like a FICTION novel or a film, fiction meaning it didn't actually happen) to tell the truth (the moral of the piece of art, or what message the art is trying to convey).

In other words, Michael is an artist and he is using a lie (this death hoax) to expose the truth about what is really going on in the world.
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Re: Did Michael Start Some Rumors Himself?

  • on: October 26, 2010, 11:26:10 AM
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I must admit that I am worried too.  :|  We gotta keep the faith!
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Yes, we've got to. I just hate that I don't know what's going on and have no idea whether I could help somehow, and how.
Just mentioning: clues are not enough for me, who knows who created them. And we can misunderstand them also. I like clear speeches before I react to something someone said.
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Re: Did Michael Start Some Rumors Himself?

  • on: October 26, 2010, 11:31:15 AM
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"Artists use lies to tell the truth" - V for Vendetta
How? Sounds strange... And not too good either... (I didn't see the movie).

The movie is awesome. And the complete quote is "Artists use lies to tell the truth, politicians use lies to cover up the truth".

It's pretty simple. Artists uses lies (works of art especially like a FICTION novel or a film, fiction meaning it didn't actually happen) to tell the truth (the moral of the piece of art, or what message the art is trying to convey).

In other words, Michael is an artist and he is using a lie (this death hoax) to expose the truth about what is really going on in the world.
Hmm. I wish he made only a film instead of this hoax... He did it really good and effective with his songs and videos (D.S., Ghosts, etc.) But thanks for the answer!
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Re: Did Michael Start Some Rumors Himself?

  • on: October 26, 2010, 11:35:38 AM
First of all I want to say that we all make mistakes and the proverb says something like the one who has never lied or sinned throws the first stone at me (or something like that)...

I think that all the "Stars" lie to make their names appear where they need them to appear...that being said the way Michael has been treated by the corrupted media who did not deserve more than Michael playing with them, has absolutely nothing to see with these supposed rumors he would have created. But I think it's clear, sorry I just have to say it because I don't understand this topic.

The hoax has very important issues to introduce to the world, it's not just to clear his name that Michael has done that. So people will certainly not focus on all these old rumors or on the fact that Michael "lied" to them (it's not the case they have been fooled by the media by blindly believing everything they told them despite the obvious oddities), they will just understand that THEIR lives are in danger IMO.
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Re: Did Michael Start Some Rumors Himself?

  • on: October 26, 2010, 11:37:31 AM
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"Artists use lies to tell the truth" - V for Vendetta
How? Sounds strange... And not too good either... (I didn't see the movie).

The movie is awesome. And the complete quote is "Artists use lies to tell the truth, politicians use lies to cover up the truth".

It's pretty simple. Artists uses lies (works of art especially like a FICTION novel or a film, fiction meaning it didn't actually happen) to tell the truth (the moral of the piece of art, or what message the art is trying to convey).

In other words, Michael is an artist and he is using a lie (this death hoax) to expose the truth about what is really going on in the world.
Hmm. I wish he made only a film instead of this hoax... But thanks for the answer!

No problem. But why do you wish he made a film instead? Just curious. I mean, he did make a film (TII) but stopping there would not be very innovative (in Michael Jackson standards). Plus, he's been trying to convey a message through his music for years and people still don't get it. Desperate times call for desperate measures. My wish is that the fans could leave their emotions behind and see this for what it really is. Hopefully that will happen in due time.

But just to clarify, I am talking about the hoax in general and not the oxygen chamber and elephant bones thing that was originally in question. In regards to those, I do think it's possible that they were made up by Mike himself. Perhaps he just wanted to see how much ridiculous stuff people would believe.

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eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe
anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were
to say, 'I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight,'
people would say, 'Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a damn word that comes out of his mouth.'" -MJ
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Re: Did Michael Start Some Rumors Himself?

  • on: October 26, 2010, 11:44:10 AM
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First of all I want to say that we all make mistakes and the proverb says something like the one who has never lied or sinned throws the first stone at me (or something like that)...

I think that all the "Stars" lie to make their names appear where they need them to appear...that being said the way Michael has been treated by the corrupted media who did not deserve more than Michael playing with them, has absolutely nothing to see with these supposed rumors he would have created. But I think it's clear, sorry I just have to say it because I don't understand this topic.

The hoax has very important issues to introduce to the world, it's not just to clear his name that Michael has done that. So people will certainly not focus on all these old rumors or on the fact that Michael "lied" to them (it's not the case they have been fooled by the media by blindly believing everything they told them despite the obvious oddities), they will just understand that THEIR lives are in danger IMO.
This is what I wrote above:
"maybe if he could help the world with this hoax A LOT, then it probably will end good, and most people (me included, of course) will celebrate him. But I think those who really cause this world the biggest problems, are too big fish for Michael and what he can reach with this hoax. But - of course - I don't know what's really going on in the background."  ;)
I know, I'm not too optimistic about it...
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