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ELIMS

  • on: November 10, 2010, 07:57:30 PM
This is concering the Otwo Michael, in this post I will prove it was Michael

FIRST Otwo MIchael: NOTICE HOW HIS LIP GOES LOWER ON ONE SIDE:



NOW HERES MICHAEL IN PUBLIC, NOTICE THEY ALL ALSO HAVE A CROOKED SMILE


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Re: ELIMS

  • on: November 10, 2010, 08:11:59 PM
I have extensive knowledge of this event,and I'm going to have to disagree with you that it wasn't.
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Re: ELIMS

  • on: November 10, 2010, 08:30:23 PM
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Re: ELIMS

  • on: November 10, 2010, 08:34:37 PM
I never thought I'd be getting to know Michael this well...beautiful smile :)

I have to agree with Sind. To me it doesn't look the same either.
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Re: ELIMS

  • on: November 10, 2010, 08:42:03 PM
Maybe I was mistaked :b
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Re: ELIMS

  • on: November 11, 2010, 09:27:10 AM
I appreciate this....it is nice to see him that close up too! I have almost given up on the comparisons because it can drive a person crazy. My latest take on it is that Michael had such fine attention to detail and the money to make masks, prothetics, teeth and ears all look very similar. If he had wanted to dress the o2 guy up to look so similar to him then he could have. Coule explain why he was late - time was needed to put all the make up on or get the face ready. I was watching Michael at Chritian Audigier's 50's birthday party and for what it is worth, he looked and sounded and even acted a bit like the 02 Michael. So then I thought it was either Michael at both events or their was an imposter at both. I am so confused I don't know what to think anymore. I've decided to give it a break and come back to it another time. Thanks for the research though. CInderella....have you shared you knowledge on the 02 event here. Please let me know where to look for it as I would be interested in reading it. Thanks
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Re: ELIMS

  • on: November 11, 2010, 10:18:44 AM
Odd question  :oops:
Did MJ have his own teeth or he was wearing porcelain crowns?
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Re: ELIMS

  • on: November 11, 2010, 10:36:09 AM
I think you are mjjamm.

And no I haven't,yet as soon as I am finished compiling I will do and link you to the thread.Not a problem

I can't see why he wouldn't of had his own teeth-BUT he might have had to have them altered because of his other cosmetic procedures.
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Re: ELIMS

  • on: November 11, 2010, 11:06:46 AM
me? :?:
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Re: ELIMS

  • on: November 11, 2010, 12:49:12 PM
I think it's Michael at the O2. I don't believe anyone could look that similar to Michael even with lots of cosmetic surgeries and/or masks or prosthetic makeup.
Compare the second and the third photos which mjjamm posted: you can see that Michael's facial muscles work/move the same way as they worked when he was younger. This cannot be imitated IMO.
Btw. his teeth looks the same to me too.
And last but not least, you look a little different on every photo or even video. It depends on the light, on the angle etc. I know you guys know it, I don't have to explain it, I'm just saying  :)
Just watch this Ebony photo, does Michael's smile look as it generally used to look? I think it looks way less a typical Michael-smile than as Michael smiles at the O2.
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Re: ELIMS

  • on: November 11, 2010, 01:13:37 PM
Everyone is entitled to believe what they wish to believe and see what they wish to see.
The man at the 02 had more against than for him being Michael than just a smile.
No one saw MJ in 2009 before the 02-which was done on purpose to make this come into question.
You must look at the other factors too though,
Hair,hand movements,voice,accent,HANDS AND NAILS,actions and body language,the walk from the car into the 02 or should I say swagger and bounce,the 02 MJ does not have Michael's lip scar.
Nothing about the 02 MJ...is MJ.

Infact nothing about the entire conference was real...well sort of..there appears to be be two very different stage set ups in a number of photographs lurking about.
Not to mention the fact out of all the hundreds of people there with phones,cameras,etc....next to no photo's from the fans point of view exist.

Then you have the photos that were re-released in Dec 09 with the real MJ's head photoshopped on instead..you can quite clearly see the difference.

Like I say when I have compiled my fact file I will present it.I'm a perfectionist so until I have everything in it...i'm holding on to it.

Just don't base your entire beliefs on one thing.
The hands give it away ;)
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Re: ELIMS

  • on: November 11, 2010, 01:25:18 PM
Quote from: "Gema"
Odd question  :oops:
Did MJ have his own teeth or he was wearing porcelain crowns?

as I am a person who first looks at teeth nose and eyes in a person, I must say that his teeth look all natural, with probably some implants or little crowns on his back teeth (because on the front teeth I can't notice it) recently, as when you are passing your 40s it's pretty hard to have your teeth as when you were 20. In my opinion, yes, his teeth are all natural, at least his front ones
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Re: ELIMS

  • on: November 11, 2010, 01:33:13 PM
Quote from: "Sinderella"
Everyone is entitled to believe what they wish to believe and see what they wish to see.
The man at the 02 had more against than for him being Michael than just a smile.
No one saw MJ in 2009 before the 02-which was done on purpose to make this come into question.
You must look at the other factors too though,
Hair,hand movements,voice,accent,HANDS AND NAILS,actions and body language,the walk from the car into the 02 or should I say swagger and bounce,the 02 MJ does not have Michael's lip scar.
Nothing about the 02 MJ...is MJ.

Infact nothing about the entire conference was real...well sort of..there appears to be be two very different stage set ups in a number of photographs lurking about.
Not to mention the fact out of all the hundreds of people there with phones,cameras,etc....next to no photo's from the fans point of view exist.

Then you have the photos that were re-released in Dec 09 with the real MJ's head photoshopped on instead..you can quite clearly see the difference.

Like I say when I have compiled my fact file I will present it.I'm a perfectionist so until I have everything in it...i'm holding on to it.

Just don't base your entire beliefs on one thing.
The hands give it away ;)
I will be patient to wait for your fact file, I'm a perfectionist too  :)
But about "hand movements,voice,accent actions and body language,the walk from the car into the 02 or should I say swagger and bounce", I recommend you to read this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=36&t=9453
I found it very possible that this what happened when I read that.
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Re: ELIMS

  • on: November 11, 2010, 01:34:57 PM
I have come full circle, as an unfamiliar person at first thinking it was him, then with all the close annalysis that he was a double, and now 16 months later with deeper understanding, now completely convinced this was our mastermind performer MJ, all the way. Absolutely! Now why would MJ give away this prized key star acting position to a double or impersonator? Maybe non-important filler places that don't matter much.
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Re: ELIMS

  • on: November 11, 2010, 01:36:07 PM
Quote from: "Gema"
Odd question  :oops:
Did MJ have his own teeth or he was wearing porcelain crowns?

MJ had beautiful teeth so I can't understand why he would have crowns but then again he had/has a beautiful face but that didn't stop him changing it.
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Re: ELIMS

  • on: November 11, 2010, 02:31:20 PM
I question because if there is a double, that double, even with an equal smile and teeth, should have the teeth fixed to look as Michaels and there can be differences between teeth.

Even if the double is using a fasad of teeth to look as MJ, MJ has the natural ones. IDK, may be with a photoshop program one can light up the teeth and see if they change colour between doubles? Teeht reacts to light in different ways.
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Re: ELIMS

  • on: November 11, 2010, 04:14:19 PM
I am not into double theory, but I now express my opinion regarding natural/false teeth. It's a fact that false teeth (crowns, porcelain implants) won't have the translucidity that natural teeth have. Of course there are types and types of crowns, implants ,ect, and of course there are day by day better materials but never a false tooth will look the same (in structure/texture) as a natural tooth.

Natural teeth have a specific translucidity and you won't find a person who has all his natural teeth having all the same texture and translucidity. This is how you spot a crown- by its texture.

I searhed to show us what I am talking about

Crowns:


Natural: - Michael has gorgeous teeth but here's an usual example of natural teeth and how their translucidity look if you have a HQ close up
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Re: ELIMS

  • on: November 11, 2010, 04:18:26 PM
Right. Thats why I also asked to make light comparisons.
A ceramic tooth is not as translucent as a bone tooth and will react to light differently.

@Tarja, was it you the one working as a designer? Do you have the tools to alter the light in order to see if the teeth of the "O2 MJ´s" are corresponding to each other?
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Re: ELIMS

  • on: November 11, 2010, 04:27:21 PM
Can I just point out that were were shown in TII a table of 6men sitting around with 02 MJ pictures on the screen open in photoshop.Non of the photos lurking on google or anywhere else are original and untouched by photoshop.

You would have to get an original photograph to work from.
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Re: ELIMS

  • on: November 11, 2010, 04:39:49 PM
Quote from: "Sinderella"
Can I just point out that were were shown in TII a table of 6men sitting around with 02 MJ pictures on the screen open in photoshop.Non of the photos lurking on google or anywhere else are original and untouched by photoshop.

You would have to get an original photograph to work from.

Good point.

I guess we will neer know. Even the original could have been manipulated to create the double controversy.
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Re: ELIMS

  • on: November 11, 2010, 04:42:50 PM
I think Michael was wearing weird make-up to look like this Vendetta-guy...  It's all an illusion...  :?
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Re: ELIMS

  • on: November 11, 2010, 04:43:58 PM

Even if Mike himself would come out and say he was O2 dude, he should have to prove it because I would call BS. I agree with Sin, there is nothing about this guy that even makes me think it's him. Everything screams prostetic make-up to me and MJ behind the curtain directing this circus.The mannerisms and voice could have been intentionally weird if it was MJ himself, but the mouth does not match and to me that's a dead giveaway. I don't look at teeth because they are probably false and scars can be made with prostetic make-up.  
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Re: ELIMS

  • on: November 11, 2010, 04:52:08 PM
Quote from: "Gema"
Right. Thats why I also asked to make light comparisons.
A ceramic tooth is not as translucent as a bone tooth and will react to light differently.

@Tarja, was it you the one working as a designer? Do you have the tools to alter the light in order to see if the teeth of the "O2 MJ´s" are corresponding to each other?

Yes, I work with photo edition since 10 years - not as my job but as a hobby sort to say. If you want me to help you with something, show me
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Re: ELIMS

  • on: November 11, 2010, 04:54:38 PM
Although I hate to dissect Michael, I still believe it's him at the O2. I agree with some posters that his behaviour was very 'weird' and that he spoke with a 'strange' (english) accent (but I heard him doing it before, I believe it was in the Bashir-interview, although I'm not sure about that), but I agree with Mjjamm that his lower lip is a big giveaway. And if you compare his nostrils in the second and thirth picure, then I feel they are very similar. His 'weird' behaviour was probably caused by nerves, he hadn't been in the spotlight for almost 4 years (and the last time for him wasn't in a very happy period to say the least) and maybe he was afraid to get negative reactions (again). Not by his fans ofcourse but you know what I mean.
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Re: ELIMS

  • on: November 11, 2010, 05:24:23 PM
 Released:March 09
Released December 09

Michael must have had an on the spot nose job/St Tropez tan done and then had it wiped off mid speech without anyone seeing ORRRRRR it was these guys realising someone over did it with everything so shit...better make it look more like MJ...



My bet is on the table full of computer photoshop nerds working away at them..

The chin,nose,hands...everything is WRONG wrong wrong.


and Just to show you what else I was talking about earlier,


Isn't it a shame that all those people and the people behind them lost their footage/usb leads to upload all the photos and filming....all those hundreds of thousands of pictures taken...and none of them made it to google images.

I've got more footage uploaded on the net from the people who went to my shows I used to do than what's up from this 02 nonsense.

I can go on and on
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