TS's identity and... Sony

[trustno1]

Puff I hear what you're saying but wasn't TS connected to TMZ and/or Sony a long time ago, certainly the predictions indicated that.  And if so why is it lately the Eliza thing is casting that connection in a suspicious light?  As soon as that happened a few people either took that as confirmation of their beliefs or changed their minds completely and decided this was a cover-up of a murder. Some made that change almost instantly.  Yet he had suggested other things that didn't happen. I think something else is going on here and I think it's a deliberate stirring of the pot because we're being tested.

[MissG]

MJ<----------one subject
Eliza P<-----another subject

Can we separate those 2 from each other? they have nothing to do with each other as far as i am concerned.

Aaaaaaahhhhhggggggg, I just care about what happened to Miiiiichaaaeeeeeel

[paula-c]

Gema was TS the  that  initiate Eliza's topic :roll:

[CrazyBanana]

oh man I dont get it I dont get it I dont get it! maybe TS is conneccted to MJ maybe he's connected to Sony TMZ or what have you! maybe he's a crazed fan, or even a psychic for crying out loud! does it really dicredit everything TS told us? all the answers we've gotten! even things we didnt understand and when people have started doubting in the past TS comes back and explains it all in a new post! wait it out ppl! as for the identity its so important that its a secret! ppl then dont follow blindly and its actually about what is being told not by whom!

[voiceforthesilent]

The fact that TS keeps his identity secret is a bit strange…

In one of his/her posts he/she said that even if he/she revealed his/her identity, we wouldn’t believe him/her and that there was no point doing that. Well, we have passed through much more difficult matters than the identity of a person and we have learned when to beLIEve and when not to. As to whether knowing the identity of your major informer is necessary or not, the answer is absolutely yes. The information given on a subject is a most important part of understanding the facts, but the identity of the source of this information is equally important. This is because considering something as a clue just because someone claims it to be a clue, can control and direct your search and conclusion even if you have an excellent ability of judging.

 Some people say that TS’s identity should remain secret because if he/she is someone near the MJ camp everyone will believe him/her and follow him/her without judging and acting on their own will, while if he/she has no close connection to the MJ camp everyone will reject him/her and stop believing him/her. Well, this does not stand as an excuse at all. We do not need communicational tricks to form our opinions and the power of someone’s words should stand only for what his/her words are and not for how he/she promotes them. For example, when you say “prejudice is ignorance”, that idea can stand on its own despite who said it or how he/she promoted him/herself. After all, we can judge, criticize and think for ourselves in order to choose who we listen to and who we not, and this is the only way to support MJ and those who strive for humanity’s sake.

Let me point out something straight ahead… If TS’s revealed his/her identity Michael would definitely not be in danger. MJ’s supposed enemies are very powerful and have all the means necessary to achieve their goals. If MJ is a threat to them they would do everything possible to stop him. I don’t think that anyone argues whether those building the New World Order are capable of espionage or not. Actually they are capable of far more terrible things. So, if we have noticed that Michael is alive and plans to fight them, they have definitely noticed it too. And if TS is holding key information about MJ, considering that his/her acts via the internet are enough for them to detect him/her, he/she would have been caught by them by now. Moreover, MJ would never jeopardize his mission giving valuable information about it to someone that could be detected by his enemies and putting him/her in danger. So, the conclusion of this is that TS cannot have key information that put Michael’s life in danger.

As far as TS’s secrecy about his/her identity is concerned, I tend to believe that his/her connection to Sony is far closer than he/she has been willing to admit until now. Although, this is not necessarily bad, it is a bit suspicious. My search in the internet has provided some interesting information.
The fact that TS had always much information about MJ and his CD’s and the “This IS It” DVD before this information was available to anyone else can show a relation to Sony without much explanation and search.
TS also had always much information about TMZ. He/ She seemed to predict when they would publish specific subjects, have information from the inside and have knowledge of specific data and events before they would become known and happen, such as MJ police files and Murray’s trials. This can also suggest a connection to Sony, because Sony collaborates with TMZ, as the creator of a browser for mobile phones to establish connection to the TMZ channel and provide mobile phone users with access to TMZ news. That means that someone inside Sony can have TMZ information before it is published. Here is a link about that:
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Moreover, TS successfully predicted a relation to the 2012 film with the MJ hoax, before the film was available in the cinemas and generally in the public. As we know the major character’s name was Jackson. This suggests a relation between TS and Sony as well. The film was distributed by Columbia Pictures, which is owned by Sony. The related web pages are in the following link:
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Finally, about the time that TS started his/her redirects(October 2009), Sony had shortly before announced that they would start the project "This Is Also It" due to the success of "This Is It", which would be about other dead starts and similar to "This IS It". They claimed this investment to be most profitable. One of the first sites to announce that was "The Huffington Post", which is a site used by TS for his/her clues. The mentioned article about the announcement is on the following link:
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This set of coincidences closely related to TS, statistically strongly suggests that TS is very close to the Sony camp. Note that my search was very rapid, which means that many more things can be found about TS’s relation to Sony, with a better and more thorough search.

All in all, TS's identity is not important to what we think or believe about Michael, or it is not more important than anyone else's identity. However, the fact that Sony profits from MJ and that they have abused him in the past raises concerns. The fact that those who have said that MJ is alive, such as Akon, Riley and Eros Ramazzotti are related to Sony and the first two profit from the new album’s sales, raises concerns as well. And I strongly believe that it is our right to know the source of our information, since we fight equally to TS and everyone else here, for more than a year now.

I neither blame nor accuse, I only suggest caution, awareness and thinking for ourselves.

Thank you for posting this...and for being so thorough in your research and explanation. I enjoyed reading what you have to say.

I also believe that while TS's identity isn't important to what we think about Michael, it is important to the hoax itself and who is behind it. Who is behind it...Sony? Michael? AEG? Fans/non-fans? TMZ? Hmmm.....

I wonder if you believe that if TS is someone from Sony, are they doing this to profit only from Michael's name or to help him?

I disliked Sony very much when I first joined this hoax January of this year. I was conflicted as to whether to support Sony backed projects or not. My final decision is not based on TS but based on who I believe is profiting. Yes, clearly Sony is profiting. But so is Michael and so is Michael's Estate (which mean his children and mother). And if the Estate if profiting, then so are charities that the 20% is supposed to go to. And, bottom line, those are the ones that I am looking to support (Michael, his children, and the charities).

Then there is the Huffington Post. This name keeps popping up...

I might take some backlash from some but I don't follow TS much. Yes. he comes up with some incredible, jaw dropping information. Yes, he seems to have information before it's made public. Does that mean we need to believe him just because of that? Some would say yes. To me, what are his motives...that has not been made clear enough in my mind. Hopefully in time this will be known but I won't lose sleep if that never comes. Honestly, Serenity Dreams and many others have posted information that has been as insightful and inspiring as TS. That is just my humble opinion.

I guess it's okay that people believe in him/her but too many people put their faith in one person and when that person can't hold up to the expectations the individual puts on them it creates disappointment and confusion. I've also seen some become a little lethargic while waiting to be spoon-fed the next piece of information from TS. It's almost like a pauper and a king. On one hand you are used to finding your own way, searching for the next meal. On the other hand you are used to having others fetch your meal for you and you forget how to fight on your own. Sometimes it's not all good to be the king.

I haven't been bothered by TS - whether they reveal their identity or not, whether they are who they say they are, whether their information is 100% accurate. And that is because I base my belief on the whole, not on the part. I continue to put all of the pieces side by side (that I believe are valid) and form my opinion based on that, not on what one mysterious person with exceptional writing skills put in writing.

Have a blessed day everyone. I look forward to hearing more of your thoughts Uranus.

P.S. - Gema....I couldn't agree more. If I wanted to follow the Elvis hoax I would have joined an Elvis hoax forum. Good luck to Eliza though...

[Sarahli]

Michael is using the media to expose the media lies, it is as simple as that imo.

[Sinderella]

Hi and welcome,

Let me get this straight...you have been watching this whole forum for about 17months...you know,or seem to know the ins and outs of TS and what is going on and you only just signed up to speak your mind?
Why now?

Not saying it's a bad thing it is just a strange thing to understand.

[chloead505]

Hi and welcome,

Let me get this straight...you have been watching this whole forum for about 17months...you know,or seem to know the ins and outs of TS and what is going on and you only just signed up to speak your mind?
Why now?

Not saying it's a bad thing it is just a strange thing to understand.

I'm one big ear to hear the story...

[~Souza~]

I think people are not getting the point. First of all it's very convenient we have a 'new' member backing up the Sony killed MJ murder theory, but that aside...

It is not the point that people on here only follow TS and would stop believing if he turned out to be fooling with hoaxers. We all came here before TS and I already was 100% sure Mike wasn't dead before I ever heard of STUDY or TS. TS is only confirming our beliefs and presenting us pieces of the puzzle. Many all of a sudden are starting to question TS and his intentions, while they have nothing to back it up but Sony. That in my opinion is not thinking for yourself, that is typical fan behaviour: Sony is bad because MJ said so...

Is Sony really bad? Maybe, maybe Mike IS out thinking them.  have posted a theory about Sony being in the hoax yet being screwed by Mike a long time ago. That is option one. But maybe the whole 'Sony sucks' is a hoax within a hoax. Mike definitely had a problem with Motolla, but who says he REALLY had a problem with Sony as well? We don't know that. All we know is that Sony is in, wheter voluntarily or not. My bet is that Sony is not stupid and therefore is working with Mike on this. Many people seem to have forgotten that MJ signed a new contract with Sony before June 25 and released at least 4 more box sets etc. via Sony, while he only had to give them one. Why would he do that? And besides that, Mike OWNS half of Sony/ATV, and who says he doesn't own it all by now?

TS gave valuable information and has proven himself legit many times. I think that the problem is from the people that are now doubting, is that they found out THEY were following TS like sheep and put all their faith in his posts. Apparently they never really understood the posts and can't see the big picture and that is where the confusion comes from. What is unfair is that they are now telling people on this forum that they did the same. I can tell you I didn't and I will never belive Mike died on June 25th, not even if TS turned out to be a fraud.

But let´s talk about that. For those claiming that Sony killed MJ and TS is a fraud, I would like to see you post a coherent theorythat backs up your claims. That means debunking TS´ posts, proving Sony killed MJ and eventually debunking the complete hoax and all hilarious actors like Murray. And of course all hints Mike left before June 25, starting from around 1988.

You are all telling us we are sheep and emotional and not thinking for ourselves, well give us something to think about then. I am very curious about how that story could be. All you are doing now is accusing people and starting a forum war based on Mo´s false assumption that the probate lawyer and TS gave us false information. Are we going to follow Mo who clearly is confused about the hoax and freaking out because she lost sight of the complete picture? Or are we recapping and thinking for ourselves and how we ended up here in the first place?

Who is really testing who here and who is really failing? Stay true to yourself and keep using your head and you will be fine. And if you decided for yourself that Mike was murdered that is fine, but stop convincing others based on assumptions, but provide us with your proof.

[MissG]

Gema was TS the  that  initiate Eliza's topic :roll:

I know  :evil:  and the only thing i can say about it is to let that woman have legal confirmation of who her father is. I don´t are about Elvis  :evil: 33 years are too many years to care this late. If the man is alive fine, if he is dead, fine as well.

Michael Jackson death hoax has similarities with Elvis death but still i don´t get why so much interest in Eliza´s case.

Michael has a half sister and that is the only "relevance" I see.

[paula-c]

chica, no me regañes... :oops:

[MissG]

chica, no me regañes... :oops:

Sorry  :oops: i got carried away.... i am not angry at you

[Uranus]

Guys what is going on here? Did I say anything about MJ being murdered? Did I say that Sony did it? The only thing that I implied is that the greed of those in power and wealth, such as Sony, is not to be underestimated and that we must not easily consider them as innocent. Mike’s collaboration with them through and through has motives that only Mike himself can explain. My only interest was to express my opinion and what I found. If you realized this connection between TS and Sony wouldn’t you want to share it with others? That’s how I decided to write. And yes I am new here (as a writer) and I don’t care whether you believe it or not, whether you like it or not and I don’t care to explain further. I wrote that article to raise a discussion with the people here. I will ask you to please concentrate on what I say (which is simple arguments and facts and not assumptions) instead of who I am and making personal attacks. The fact that some of us have different opinions to others, does not justify the fact that we face this prejudice, which means nothing more than simple ignorance. Do you know who we are and what have we been doing in our lives? Do you know how we think and act? No! Assuming that we have been following TS as sheep and other things like that proves your ignorance. Respect to be respected. I will not explain myself further and I am interested only in the subject that I wrote for. Thank you!

[hesouttamylife]

I can understand people using alias' when they bring up subjective info on topics that are touchy like TS.  Just look at how they ARE being attacked :? To me it's something to take in and either dismiss or investigate further.  No need to kill the messenger.  And in my eyes, they don't necessarily need to verify who they are. There is good info to be gotten sometimes from anonymous sources. I'm just sayin :roll:

[Sinderella]

MJ<----------one subject
Eliza P<-----another subject

Can we separate those 2 from each other? they have nothing to do with each other as far as i am concerned.

Aaaaaaahhhhhggggggg, I just care about what happened to Miiiiichaaaeeeeeel

HIGH F&*@ING FIVE.
This is a Michael Jackson Hoax forum,personally I am not too interested in what Eliza P is doing I don't see any relevance to Michael's 'death',hoax,family or anything.
It might be connected in the fact it is a conspiracy but the two things are getting far too tangled up with one another and splitting the forum...

As for the poster of this thread-You are right you don't have to explain who you are but you are asking for a lot of respect and trust from members on here who put a lot of time,effort,belief and love into the threads and Michael and you are completley new here.It takes time for people to trust other people on a forum where everyone more or less is hidden behind a secret identity.You could be anyone,and saying you have been...for want of a better word 'lurking' around for a year and a half without saying anything is probably why people want to know..why you have decided on speaking now.


Not a lecture..just saying.