What's the Big Friggin' Difference?! - Come Together

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What's the Big Friggin' Difference?! - Come Together

  • on: December 16, 2009, 05:29:24 PM
After Bec's post about the problems with the funeral pics, I found another thing that is odd. The first pic that bec posted: http://http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1592 is supposed to be the one of the cover of Liberian girl, but when compared to that cover pic, something didn't seem right. I put the original cover as a transparent layer over the funeral pic, but I could NOT get a perfect match. I could match the eyes, nose and mouth, which means  it is the same person, but the rest of the photo is off. I have made 6 shots. layer with a 0% capacity, 20%, 40%, 60%, 80% and 100%, so you can see the face (at least the eyes, nose and mouth) matches. If you have photoshop yourself, I challenge you to match it.

So what's the Big Friggin' Difference?! To me one looks older, and the nostrils of the 'older' one are clearly bigger and his face is wider. Like to hear your thoughts  8-)






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And for the comparisation next to each other:

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OMG OMG you are so right
i posted on the other thread it was weird how someone could look sodifferent in two pics from the same photoshoot
you're right he looks OLDER
 :shock:

could you post a comparison of this pic with a similar face of MJ on a recent pic???
Im completely clueless on photoshop etc  but this pic looks like MJ "now" and maybe they just made his skin colour more brown???
WOW

i'm thinking of the pic of MJ in TII smooth criminal i think it's a black and white photo
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Isn't it possible it's just the same pic edited with photoshop or some other similar stuff?
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Quote from: "DooDoo"
Isn't it possible it's just the same pic edited with photoshop or some other similar stuff?

The 'younger' one is from the official cover, and in the 80's we didn't have the photoshop we have now. Also, I can't match the hair either, and the eyebrows are different as well. It's just not a perfect match and believe me, I've tried...
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Right, I wanted to know if you knew the date release  ;) ok, so if one is from the 80's no way it could have been photoshopped, so ... they are different  :shock:
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It's the same picture lightened and blended lol..
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Quote from: "ShowEmHowFunky"
It's the same picture lightened and blended lol..

Please explain how, and with what kind of software?

Also, how come there is no match?
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the eyebrows, side burns and chin are different

he skin and lips look darker

and yes he looks older around the mouth area

if this was this year he looks good! :mrgreen:
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the eyebrows, side burns and chin are different

he skin and lips look darker

and yes he looks older around the mouth area
his hair is fuller and his eyes are darker, he must of had on contacts on the first shot

if this was this year he looks good! :mrgreen:[/quote]
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Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "ShowEmHowFunky"
It's the same picture lightened and blended lol..

Please explain how, and with what kind of software?

Also, how come there is no match?


Entire picture not just the face/body is lightened can do that with anything from Paint shop pro to Gimp to Photoshop.

Can blend/smooth/blur with any of them also.

What exactly don't you think is a 'match'? The chin? They smoothed out the cleft and the age lines.. i can do it to the picture right now if you want?  There's no hiding the fact that just about every professional/staged/photoshoot pictures of Michael is in some way retouched or changed.. it's airbrushing just like models get in Playboy and for swim suit pictorials.
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Quote from: "SEHF"
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "ShowEmHowFunky"
It's the same picture lightened and blended lol..

Please explain how, and with what kind of software?

Also, how come there is no match?


Entire picture not just the face/body is lightened can do that with anything from Paint shop pro to Gimp to Photoshop.

Can blend/smooth/blur with any of them also.

What exactly don't you think is a 'match'? The chin? They smoothed out the cleft and the age lines.. i can do it to the picture right now if you want?  There's no hiding the fact that just about every professional/staged/photoshoot pictures of Michael is in some way retouched or changed.. it's airbrushing just like models get in Playboy and for swim suit pictorials.


Don't get me wrong, I know how it works.

That doesn't explain why the pictures are different. If I match the clothes, the face is in the wrong position. blending, bluring, lighting, sharpen ok, but putting the head in another position? Why?
And if the ├Żounger one is shopped, how come the eyebrows of the 'older' one look slimmer and shopped, but on the 'shopped' photo they don't... Get what I'm saying 'cause I have the feeling I make no sense  :lol:
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:? but what would be the reason for this i think they are different but i cant understand for what reason they would this and now i am going mad :lol:
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I have aligned markings around the photo and this is what I have come up with. It looks to me as if we have two similar photos from the same photoshoot. Probably taken within a second of each other. It appears as if Michael tilts his head back or forth slightly. Just enough to change the shape of his face, alter the position of the edges of his hair, and move the position of his right shoulder.
However, one of the photos (the 'younger' one) has been smoothed over dramatically in the face and brightened to emphasise the hair strands.. And, the other 'older' photo has had the contrast altered to give the hair a darker appearance, and less hair strands show. I also noticed on the 'older' face photo that there's an inconsistency on the jawline below his left ear, and there are neck lines.
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How is this significant?
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How is this significant?
It goes along with the double theories.
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Quote from: "Melzy777"
I have aligned markings around the photo and this is what I have come up with. It looks to me as if we have two similar photos from the same photoshoot. Probably taken within a second of each other. It appears as if Michael tilts his head back or forth slightly. Just enough to change the shape of his face, alter the position of the edges of his hair, and move the position of his right shoulder.
However, one of the photos (the 'younger' one) has been smoothed over dramatically in the face and brightened to emphasise the hair strands.. And, the other 'older' photo has had the contrast altered to give the hair a darker appearance, and less hair strands show. I also noticed on the 'older' face photo that there's an inconsistency on the jawline below his left ear, and there are neck lines.


Cool i like the way you did that... Looks like hes dancing...
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How is this significant?
It goes along with the double theories.
Naw I don't think so...I think the point is a: mike looks the same as he did 20y ago b: mike redid the photo shoot...I.e he is alive
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is it me, or does the ''new'' pic looks like the ''new'' smooth criminal pic?

i don't know, but his face looks the same as on that latest SC pic(with travis payne)...don't you think so?
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and also ofcourse how he looks in the SC clip, from TII
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Quote from: "francisca81"
is it me, or does the ''new'' pic looks like the ''new'' smooth criminal pic?

i don't know, but his face looks the same as on that latest SC pic(with travis payne)...don't you think so?
I have 2 agree wit u...he does!
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Quote from: "francisca81"
is it me, or does the ''new'' pic looks like the ''new'' smooth criminal pic?

i don't know, but his face looks the same as on that latest SC pic(with travis payne)...don't you think so?



thats exactly what i said (see post just under souza's first post)
had this on my mind all day at work and know which picture i mean but can't find the darn thing
found this one though
would be cool if someone could put souzas first pic and this one side by side because
i'm completely clueless how to do this :


http://images.google.be/imgres?imgurl=h ... 0%26um%3D1


its not the tiny one at the top you need to scroll down a bit
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Yeah, in the ''new'' SC pic he looks much younger too... So maybe the pic Souza is talking about is indeed a new one...
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Quote from: "MJhunny"
Quote from: "francisca81"
is it me, or does the ''new'' pic looks like the ''new'' smooth criminal pic?

i don't know, but his face looks the same as on that latest SC pic(with travis payne)...don't you think so?



thats exactly what i said (see post just under souza's first post)
had this on my mind all day at work and know which picture i mean but can't find the darn thing
found this one though
would be cool if someone could put souzas first pic and this one side by side because
i'm completely clueless how to do this :

http://images.google.be/imgres?imgurl=h ... 0%26um%3D1


its not the tiny one at the top you need to scroll down a bit

yes i see it now ;)
well, i looked at the pic again, also the one you just posted and i have to say, they really look very much the same!
don't know how to put them side by side also :?  sorry ;)
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yeah i think so to
the only problem is that the pics are from mjj pictures com
and they are both on there
so how would this "new pic" end up on there between all the others ?

http://www.mjjpictures.com/main.html
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