Searching for proof that MJ actually lived at carolwood

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Offline whatyourheartsays

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Searching for proof that MJ actually lived at carolwood

  • on: December 17, 2010, 12:17:10 AM
This is a call to investigate this idea :

I don't see MJ renting a house...don't ask me why, i just don't see it. We all remember that the phone call to 911 has been made from beverly hills hotel (even with technical explanations, yet it was written beverly hills hotel...)

I don't know why but the feeling came to me that MJ was in this hotel on long stay and never lived in Carolwood drive. That the house was rented for hoax purpose, to get a safe place to organise etc...

things that make me think this

- Never saw a picture of MJ or any leaked video after his death, showing his life in htat house.

- Joe making statement that he could never be allowed into the house to see his son. Maybe there was "nothing/nobody" to see there.

-Only picture for some LIFE inside was this overly staged picture of the bedroom. All pictures we got from the inside were about the house total empty and clean.

- The house being "cleaned" by some jackson people before cops come to it. Could be a way to hide the fact that nobody lived there or remove "hoax stuff" after june 25.

- helicopter landing to Neverland on july 8 makes me think maybe MJ left the hotel after anonymous stay there, using helicopter landing pads from there, while everybody focussed on carolwood/staplecenter/wherethehellisthecoffin story.

I'm not trying to say exactly what happened, but i guess it would have been easy to get to an hotel (where liz taylor spent 6 honey moon) under anonymous identity, use an empter house from the neighborhood to plan the hoax and while people focuss on there, leave the hotel still anonymous.

As i don't like feeling neither right or wrong about something, i ask YOU to debunk me, and find me pictures or videos or statements of fans, of MJ living in Carolwood drive before his death...
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Thanks for sharing this theory with us...I'll go searching and will come back to report if I find anything. Blessings!
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Boy whatyourheartsays that is something that would make you go Uuuummmmm !!
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You organized your points well! This has been discussed but with no conclusive answers. I was just looking for some threads and found this one about the prank that many believe was MJ in his disguised voice and white arm that grabs the bag of bread and salt. They also discuss about whether Michael actually lived there. I certainly have my doubts as well; it's a very intriguing subject. It certainly makes sense that he hid out and carried out parts of the hoax at the Beverly HIlls Hotel.  viewtopic.php?f=17&t=12783&hilit=carolwood
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I have looked at this a couple different ways.

If the owner of the cell phone didnt want anyone knowing his actual address he may use a fake one, like the Beverly Hills Hotel.
Or if the owner was spending some time in the hotel when he got the phone he may have used that address when setting up that account.
I don't think the 911 system uses call tracing (as in GPS, specific locationing) if an address is given so it probably just pulled up the address on the cell phones account.  The only conflict I can see here is if that was the case, they would probably implement the GPS locationing and pin point the call.  So in the end it wouldn't matter, whatever the response teams destination should have been the address in the screen.  Unless that was just a computerized summary, like that screen was probably the same screen that the operator saw while taking the call.  And ambulance drivers generally go by where the dispatcher tells them to go over the radio than whats on the screen.
That's just one point of view on it.
So I don't think that the call was made from the Beverly Hills Hotel.  I think the phone was registered with that address when the cell phone account was created.  For what reason, I dont know.
If you're going to say the house was rented as part of the hoax, it's not hard to believe that the caller was actually at the house when the call was made, if you take into account the points I have brought up.
Doesn't mean Michael was actually there, but the caller and doctor were, in my opinion.
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I've also had doubts that MJ and the kids were even living there, more digging and research for the weekend!  Thanks for starting this thread wyhs! ;)
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I have the same doubts too. I think he rented the house only for the hoax and that he never lived there. ;)
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Where are my real estate agents here , property experts? Wouldn't it be neat if we could backtrace the ownership of the property. Would be cool if we could find a actual rental contract with MJ for Carolwood. BUT being that AEG was leasing it. Could we maybe find proof of AEG leasing this property?? :shock:

This thread is definitley worth investigating lets see what we could find. I am going to do a search of carolwood under California property statements? :? Help me
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I remember on the death certificate did not write the address of Holmby Hills, there is the direction of Encino
http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/07/jackson-d ... rtificate /

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There was a photo of Michael leaving with his children you can see the drive way, the garage doors. I cannot find the pictures but it was posted in one of the threads. Now is that carolwood drive? I have no clue. It can be anywhere. Great work. You make absolutely sense. God bless.
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seems like some of this info was addressed in some ts elvis and mj threads. someone else a while back thought that michael never lived at carolwood. could have been mo or souza ( forgive me if i am incorrect about that).
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Mo or Souza (not sure who) but they and I brought it up again about the house being a staging area, I think it was discussed under the TMZ posts.  I will check around.
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It's weird, because I've heard that many fans tried to see him leaving home or getting the training and have seen that many never got to see anything. If he ever went out around 6 pm and returned around midnight, then there would be so hard to find it.
Also, this house is in a fairly strategic place, near the Staples Center, near the home of Elvis and UCLA.
There is a video that shows a person much like a fake of "This is it" (the singing Human Nature) in the garden of this house, getting an ambulance on 25/06/2009.
 Could then be that lookalike who lived in Carolwood and not Michael.
 If he was being threatened, perhaps he would have a more hidden place :?:
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VERY  GOOD QUESTION - I MEAN, THIS IS MICHAEL JACKSON, WHO WAS MOBBED BY REPORTES AND CRAZY STALKERS :(  E-V-E-R-Y STEP HE MAKED  -  AND N_O_S_I_N_G_L_E_P_I_C_T_U_R_ES OF HIM OR STAFF GETTIN IN AND OUT OF THAT HOUSE FOR 6 MONTH WHEN HE LIVED THERE AND TWICE A DAY FOR REVERSALS ON SC??? ...

I dont take it 4 one single minutes!
1. Dont forget - owner of that house is designer CHristian AGuler ! - MJ close friend  ;)  ;), whoms party Michael  Surprisingly! attend not so long before 625...
So, Chamon! - we should dig dipper.
WEry good sourse of MJ pictures is steady_ laughing.com - every year, every event , YET, for 6 month in Carlwood we have only his pictures  outside some where on the road,  in Christian shop etc... BUT NEVER coming and going from that house :)
2.  REgarding 911 call .
EVeryone in USA knows - 911 IS V_E_R_Y SPECIAL POLICE CREW AND PARAMEDICS, THAT HAVE EQUPMENT TO TRAKING YOUR  E_X_A_C_T  CALL LOCATION  EVEN IF YOU DONT SAY ONE SINGLE WORD, IF YOU ON FOREST OR THE MOON-AND POLICE THERE FRST!
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I heard the house was not owned by Audigier but by a couple and the man is huge business man who own parts of companies in clothing, includind Audigier.

But yeah how is it possible that MJ make decision to move to LA, the world of all paparazzi on hearth, and there's NEVER EVER been a picture of him living there, when we those paparazzi were supposedly standing there all the time, if they got to get the picture on june 25... So why a single picture on june 25 and never even one the 6 previous months ? :roll:
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From what I've seen of the house, it didn't look "kid friendly".  Dunno. Just seemed a bit too pristeen for small children to have lived there.
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Definately worth investigating  :geek:   on sky news when it broke that MJ had "died" they said the house was owned by sean connery not sure if this is true but thought id mention it  :?
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just had a look at google map and noticed that the back door (garage gates) are on monovale dr, can't be seen from carolwood dr. This road leads to "gateway triangle" and then sunset bd straight to Beverly hills hotel. All out of carolwood drive view.

info out of a bad article i do not wish to link because they don't deserve it  :P

""According to property records, the lavish and exuberantly decorated pile on N. Carolwood Drive is owned by Roxanne Guez who is (or was, we don't know) married to Hubert Guez, a somewhat controversial bizness man who made his millions manufacturing apparel in Mexico for all sorts of recognizable mass market brands. Mister Guez now serves as the CEO of a coterie of clothing brands including Ed Hardy and Christian Audiger.""
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Carrie Fisher mentioned that house in her blog.  She was good friends with Michael. I don't think he lived there either.

http://carriefisher.com/?p=439

Michael & Me

By Carrie • Jul 6th, 2009 • Category: News
Hello to one and all!

Tis I! Your intermittent blogmeister, back to provide you with inside information on The Late Michael Jackson. I was friendly with Michael. I believe that he considered us to be friends.


(Picture of Micheal Jackson reading Carrie Fisher's Whishful Drinking)
I visited him over the Christmas holiday at that weirdly expensive rental home somewhere here in Southern Cal. What’s odd is that I see fans laying flowers in front of homes that I don’t think Michael ever lived in. But then this whole scene is odd.
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not even sure it's from carolwood. It's seems too soon in 2008

Still searching...
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Quote from: "skyways"
VERY GOOD QUESTION - I MEAN, THIS IS MICHAEL JACKSON, WHO WAS MOBBED BY REPORTES AND CRAZY STALKERS :( E-V-E-R-Y STEP HE MAKED - AND N_O_S_I_N_G_L_E_P_I_C_T_U_R_ES OF HIM OR STAFF GETTIN IN AND OUT OF THAT HOUSE FOR 6 MONTH WHEN HE LIVED THERE AND TWICE A DAY FOR REVERSALS ON SC??? ...

I dont take it 4 one single minutes!
1. Dont forget - owner of that house is designer CHristian AGuler ! - MJ close friend ;) ;), whoms party Michael Surprisingly! attend not so long before 625...
So, Chamon! - we should dig dipper.
WEry good sourse of MJ pictures is steady_ laughing.com - every year, every event , YET, for 6 month in Carlwood we have only his pictures outside some where on the road, in Christian shop etc... BUT NEVER coming and going from that house :)
2. REgarding 911 call .
EVeryone in USA knows - 911 IS V_E_R_Y SPECIAL POLICE CREW AND PARAMEDICS, THAT HAVE EQUPMENT TO TRAKING YOUR E_X_A_C_T CALL LOCATION EVEN IF YOU DONT SAY ONE SINGLE WORD, IF YOU ON FOREST OR THE MOON-AND POLICE THERE FRST!
But I think Murray didn't know bout that  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
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I know I was there in Sept. of this year, and that is paparazzi central right there.  They were parked on the lower streets before Sunset cause everyone has to come out that way to get to rest of Hollywood.  Just seems really strange no pics that whole time MJ was supposedly there.  If MJ was back in Beverly Hills... they would be climbing the trees to get a pic.  Don't you think?
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Quote from: "airieslady"
I know I was there in Sept. of this year, and that is paparazzi central right there.  They were parked on the lower streets before Sunset cause everyone has to come out that way to get to rest of Hollywood.  Just seems really strange no pics that whole time MJ was supposedly there.  If MJ was back in Beverly Hills... they would be climbing the trees to get a pic.  Don't you think?

Sure, especially when those paparrazzi happened to be there the exact morning of his death...

We are shown a lot of clues, but maybe we should wonder about why we didn't see some other stuffs...like you said, pictures of MJ and his family in that house, coming and going, or any inside thing leaks...I mean there is NOTHING, when the whole world knows MJ is there, that his house is closed by 3 streets, so very exposed, and that he just announces his return on stage etc...not a single picture.

Like a lot of other things we are only given to see ONE view and all the other things that should appear around are MISSING.
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viewtopic.php?f=17&t=15053

This is the link where we discussed it before about MJ not living in the Carolwood home.
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When Oprah interviewed katherine and the children, Paris said the she use to go on the roof with her father eating snickers, and she use to see the light of the Luxor hotel. So I think they were always living in Las Vegas. I think the house in Carolwood was just for the hoax. Michael knew it was a busy street. What better to plan a hoax. But then yet again, there was a moving truck when Michael supposedly passed away, and the sisters went to the rented house to get all his belongings. Like I said earlier, there was a picture of Michael with an umbrella, and his children walking infront of garages door. That was carolwood rented house. This is very confusing. Hope we can unravell this suspense. Blessing to you all.
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