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MJ Estate: Discovery Channel Is 'Debased, Sick'

  • on: December 29, 2010, 03:38:57 PM
MJ Estate: Discovery Channel Is 'Debased, Sick'
12/29/2010 12:22 PM PST by TMZ Staff  

Michael Jackson's estate is unleashing its fury on Discovery Channel for advertising an upcoming TV special set to run in the UK featuring a reenactment of MJ's autopsy.



Co-Executors John Branca and John McClain fired off a vitriolic letter to the Prez of Discovery -- obtained by TMZ -- in which they accuse the network of operating in "shockingly bad taste ... motivated solely by your blind desire to exploit Michael's death, while cynically attempting to dupe the public into believing this show will have serious medical value."

The Co-Executors are particularly outraged by a print ad, depicting a corpse sprawled on a gurney, covered by a sheet with a sequined glove sticking out.



Branca and McClain apparently realize they can't legally stop the show -- set to air on January 13 -- but they are appealing to Discovery's moral decency to cancel the program.


http://www.tmz.com/2010/12/29/michael-j ... pecial-mj/
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Re: MJ Estate: Discovery Channel Is 'Debased, Sick'

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Re: MJ Estate: Discovery Channel Is 'Debased, Sick'

  • on: December 29, 2010, 03:59:10 PM
The glove was sold on the auction. Why they would perform autopsy show with the glove. Stupid people.
I actually said before and again would like to see the show for the comparison w/ "real" autopsy and find omissions and hear medical point of view of UK.
And the John McClain remains for me mysterious person. I have searched for the photo or any other articles related to exclusively him,not as a MJ's estate excecutive, but could not find any info nor photo. John McClain is very common name in the USA, including personage from "Die Hard" movie (Bruce Willis). Is this name coincidence?  :roll:
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Re: MJ Estate: Discovery Channel Is 'Debased, Sick'

  • on: December 29, 2010, 04:02:09 PM
This is just so ridiculous that it can't be serious.  And that picture??  Controversial to say the least...just how Michael likes it?  I wonder if this "autopsy" will actually air or not.  I'm also wondering if that picture is a bit of MJ's morbid humor coming out, it is sort of Thriller-esque, is it not?  It's almost like he's poking fun at the ridiculousness of it, not just the supposed re-enactment of his "autopsy" but the very idea that he's actually dead when clearly as we all know, he is not dead and very much alive.  And the letter from the two John's was a deliberate move to draw attention once again to it.  I also think the whole idea of maybe airing it is to show how the media can continue to de-humanize Michael, even after "death" and make people realize how much Michael has been wronged, in so many ways.
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Re: MJ Estate: Discovery Channel Is 'Debased, Sick'

  • on: December 29, 2010, 04:39:05 PM
This is sort of off topic but I found another connection to Oprah. Discovery Health Channel will be replaced by Oprah Winfrey's OWN Network which is set to air on 1.1.11. So if I am not mistaken, this means the Michael Jackson Autopsy special will be airing on Oprah's network since the air date is 1.13.11. How convenient if this is the case, which I think it is. Here is a direct quote from their official site:

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Here's the deal...
Oprah Winfrey has been on TV for coming up on 25 years. For an hour a day, she's been bringing "live your best life" television right into your living room. It's been great, hasn't it? Well now it's time for what's next. Not just for Oprah but what's next for you.

OWN: The Oprah Winfrey Network will be a 24/7 cable network devoted to self-discovery, to connecting you to your best self and to the world.
That's right. 24/7. All day and all night. Whenever you want. TV designed to bring more better into your life.
It's about time.

On January 1, 2011, you will be part of a new network, a network of people who are all interested in reaching their greatest potential.

Oprah will be with us every day. She's the life force of OWN and will get a chance to explore all of her passions on the air.

OWN will explore the issues that matter to you and the moments that move you. We'll look at your health, your home and your relationships.

We'll show you stories of strength and transformation.
And we will engage you in your own transformation.

It's your life. OWN it.
How can you watch? Discovery Health channel will become OWN, so if you have Discovery Health you're in. Just click on the Channel Finder tab at the top of this page to find OWN in your area. If you do not receive Discovery Health, speak up. Your basic cable operator or satellite provider can hook you up.
And what happens between now and January 2011?
We are going to build this thing together, on television and online.
To get in on the creation, sign up for OWN TV Insider. We'll be in touch with answers, questions and maybe a few sneak peeks.

Source:http://www.oprah.com/own/about.html

I also noticed something else interesting. This deal was apparently inked and announced back in January 1 2006 if I'm reading this correctly. http://www.oprah.com/pressroom/Oprah-an ... he-Oprah-W It says underneath the title of the article Original Content | January 1, 2006 but further down states January 15, 2008. A little confusing so I am not sure when this information was given.

I am wondering if MJ could be a possible investor in this since he, too, wanted to do multimedia projects that included television, film and the internet. That would make sense if MJ is behind this autopsy special and why this special had to be air after 1.1.11. This is also another connection Oprah possibly being involved in this hoax directly or indirectly. Or this could be MJ's way of messing around with Oprah yet again with another controversy surrounding her new network. It is strange that TMZ doesn't state that it is Oprah's network though. Hmmm...
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Re: MJ Estate: Discovery Channel Is 'Debased, Sick'

  • on: December 29, 2010, 05:50:44 PM
That pic on the gurney reminds me of this for some reason:



Not saying that Michael posed for that gurney pic too but it does seem to be like a joke is being played on the people who just assumed Michael died on June 25th...

Quite clever to use the media against themselves...
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Re: MJ Estate: Discovery Channel Is 'Debased, Sick'

  • on: December 29, 2010, 06:14:50 PM
Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"

http://http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_documents/1229_mj_discovery_letter_TMZ.pdf

How in the world did TMZ get a letter that was just written today? They sure have some quick insiders snatching up this information.

I agree - why is this being shown now and why didn't TMZ mention that it's going to be officially under  the OWN Network?

Popcorn anyone? I think this has to be a joke. If not we live in a real sick world.
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Re: MJ Estate: Discovery Channel Is 'Debased, Sick'

  • on: December 29, 2010, 06:20:11 PM
Quote from: "looking4truth"
I also noticed something else interesting. This deal was apparently inked and announced back in January 1 2006 if I'm reading this correctly. http://www.oprah.com/pressroom/Oprah-an ... he-Oprah-W It says underneath the title of the article Original Content | January 1, 2006 but further down states January 15, 2008. A little confusing so I am not sure when this information was given.

I am wondering if MJ could be a possible investor in this since he, too, wanted to do multimedia projects that included television, film and the internet. That would make sense if MJ is behind this autopsy special and why this special had to be air after 1.1.11. This is also another connection Oprah possibly being involved in this hoax directly or indirectly. Or this could be MJ's way of messing around with Oprah yet again with another controversy surrounding her new network. It is strange that TMZ doesn't state that it is Oprah's network though. Hmmm...

I think you have some good points there. Oprah, CNN, TMZ are working with or for Time Warner, who is a sister of Warner Brothers, so one happy family http://www.bittenandbound.com/2010/09/3 ... ext-oprah/.
Now I'm really wondering why Branca& McClain can't legally stop the show :shock: I'm not a lawyer, but isn't it logical that DC needs consent of The Estate first to use MJ's name? Unless ..MJ is behind all this..
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Re: MJ Estate: Discovery Channel Is 'Debased, Sick'

  • on: December 29, 2010, 06:52:23 PM
Quote from: "Andrea"
That pic on the gurney reminds me of this for some reason:



Not saying that Michael posed for that gurney pic too but it does seem to be like a joke is being played on the people who just assumed Michael died on June 25th...

Quite clever to use the media against themselves...



A lot of people say Michael made that story up to create controversy, maybe this is the same. 8-)
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Re: MJ Estate: Discovery Channel Is 'Debased, Sick'

  • on: December 29, 2010, 06:53:45 PM
I am a lawyer and I can assure you that the family or the Estate WOULD succeed in bringing action against Disc. It's against the Human Righs Charter in the first place. Protection of privacy and human dignity, anyone? OMFG really.
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Re: MJ Estate: Discovery Channel Is 'Debased, Sick'

  • on: December 29, 2010, 06:56:45 PM
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A lot of people say Michael made that story up to create controversy, maybe this is the same. 8-)

Exactly.  Running his own show behind the red curtain, as it were.
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Re: MJ Estate: Discovery Channel Is 'Debased, Sick'

  • on: December 29, 2010, 08:01:47 PM
Isn't it wierd that it says "via email and Fed-EX" at the top? And addressed from two people with one signature? This looks fake to me.
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Re: MJ Estate: Discovery Channel Is 'Debased, Sick'

  • on: December 29, 2010, 08:12:03 PM
The use of the word Debased in the title is interesting.

debased - Verb
Simple past tense and past participle of debase.
http://http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/debased

Past tense
Past tense is the form of language used to refer to an event, transaction, or occurrence that did happen or has happened, or an object that existed, at a point in time before now.
http://http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/past_tense

Past particle
A past participle indicates past or completed action or time.
http://http://www.learnenglish.de/grammar/participlepast.htm

debase - Verb
To lower in character (individual), quality, or value; to degrade (an individual or object).
http://http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/debase

So, this means that for Discovery Channel to have been "debased" that this happened in the PAST. The autopsy show has not aired yet, so this program is not the cause in the loss of "quality" of the programming.

This word is often used to describe the loss of value of Currency (money).
http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debasement

But there is another use:

Debasement
Debasement is the formal term for removal of a knighthood or other honour. The last knight to be publicly debased was Sir Francis Mitchell. More recent examples include Sir Roger Casement, whose knighthood was cancelled for treason during the First World War and Sir Anthony Blunt, whose knighthood was withdrawn in 1979.
http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debasement_%28knighthood%29
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Re: MJ Estate: Discovery Channel Is 'Debased, Sick'

  • on: December 29, 2010, 08:19:45 PM
The Dr. Oz show is produced by Sony...and we all know who introduced us to Dr. Oz... :lol:
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Re: MJ Estate: Discovery Channel Is 'Debased, Sick'

  • on: December 29, 2010, 08:31:04 PM
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in which they accuse the network of operating in "shockingly bad taste ... motivated solely by your blind desire to exploit Michael's death, while cynically attempting to dupe the public into believing this show will have serious medical value."

Nice  ;) I couldn't agree more. I am reading between the lines. I see more than one scene in which money is being made because of the blind greed to exploit many deaths.

Pay attention public, your being warned that you are being duped into believing the show holds value.

Peace
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Re: MJ Estate: Discovery Channel Is 'Debased, Sick'

  • on: December 29, 2010, 08:59:34 PM
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in which they accuse the network of operating in "shockingly bad taste ... motivated solely by your blind desire to exploit Michael's death, while cynically attempting to dupe the public into believing this show will have serious medical value."


Nice  I couldn't agree more. I am reading between the lines. I see more than one scene in which money is being made because of the blind greed to exploit many deaths.

Pay attention public, your being warned that you are being duped into believing the show holds value.


If truth is a program with no medical value is necessary to appoint Michael Jackson, unfortunately many people die every day from overdoses of drugs or medicines, I think it's a way to exploit the "death" and take advantage of that situation.

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Re: MJ Estate: Discovery Channel Is 'Debased, Sick'

  • on: December 29, 2010, 09:11:51 PM
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That pic on the gurney reminds me of this for some reason:



Not saying that Michael posed for that gurney pic too but it does seem to be like a joke is being played on the people who just assumed Michael died on June 25th...

Quite clever to use the media against themselves...

A lot of people say Michael made that story up to create controversy, maybe this is the same. 8-)

ABSOLUTELY! Also, there is another picture of Michael posing in a coffin somewhere.  I will try to find it.  It was sent to me, but I never saved it.

OMG- I love him so much.  He is SICK- but I love him!  :D  :lol:

Btw- GREAT point about the letter being sent today (those quick insiders again)- and about the Estate indeed having legal recourse (UNLESS they do not want to...lol)
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Re: MJ Estate: Discovery Channel Is 'Debased, Sick'

  • on: December 29, 2010, 09:28:15 PM
this is disgusting and we should not assume that everything that is coming out including this humiliating and disgracing picture is part if Michael's plan, what good would this do anyways, it's not the same as the chamber photo, these are two different things really, and he didn't pose for a coffin picture that was photoshopped by sickos, he won't go this far as he knows how this would affect his kids, and nothing disappears from history especially the bad stuff, like this one, so not because you believe in a hoax you should think that everything that is coming towards us is from Michael, because that's not good. Sometimes we go so far. This is a mess, and no way Michael would be working with oprah and sony, hand in hand after what they did to him.

Take care and have a nice day, love and peace
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Re: MJ Estate: Discovery Channel Is 'Debased, Sick'

  • on: December 29, 2010, 10:22:44 PM
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I am a lawyer and I can assure you that the family or the Estate WOULD succeed in bringing action against Disc. It's against the Human Righs Charter in the first place. Protection of privacy and human dignity, anyone? OMFG really.

Discovery Channel would argue that they're using a dummy, not MJ's body, and so they're not invading MJ's privacy. I don't know who'd win... I think it's hard to tell.
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Re: MJ Estate: Discovery Channel Is 'Debased, Sick'

  • on: December 30, 2010, 12:31:56 AM
If I recall -- Mrs. Jackson wanted MJ's so-called autopsy photos kept private because first it's disrespectful to MJ and most importantly the negative impact on his 3 children.  She was afraid MJ's so-called autopsy photos would be leaked online or get into the wrong hands; which would lead to the 3 children seeing/viewing MJ's so-called autopsy photos.

I don't think the show in question can use MJ's so-called actual photos of his so-called actual autopsy, but IMO this show is doing just what Mrs. Jackson feared - disrespecting MJ and impacting his 3 kids in a negative way especially if the kids should happen to see this show!  Whether the show airs actual photos or no photos at all...I sure as hell wouldn't want to see or hear about my father's autopsy...whether he was the King of Pop or the local mailman...

BUT then again, Michael is ALIVE (hence the phrase "so-called autopsy photos").  This program set to air in January is proving to us that the media expects us to beLIEve everything and anything that is shoved down our throats!  Bah Humbug to the media and ALL their outlets...remember we as people NEED to THINK for OURSELVES!!!
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Re: MJ Estate: Discovery Channel Is 'Debased, Sick'

  • on: December 30, 2010, 04:21:21 AM
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I am a lawyer and I can assure you that the family or the Estate WOULD succeed in bringing action against Disc. It's against the Human Righs Charter in the first place. Protection of privacy and human dignity, anyone? OMFG really.

Discovery Channel would argue that they're using a dummy, not MJ's body, and so they're not invading MJ's privacy. I don't know who'd win... I think it's hard to tell.
It's not about the physical body, but the way it's all presented: MJ autopsy. It's so sick they MUST expect getting sued. What family would allow this?! Unless it's scripted.
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Re: MJ Estate: Discovery Channel Is 'Debased, Sick'

  • on: December 30, 2010, 04:24:29 AM
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That pic on the gurney reminds me of this for some reason:



Not saying that Michael posed for that gurney pic too but it does seem to be like a joke is being played on the people who just assumed Michael died on June 25th...

Quite clever to use the media against themselves...

i honestly dont see why this was made a big deal out of,i dont see it, not even the elephant bones, whats wrong with both news?
maybe one of u could explain, due to the fact i see nothing wrong with it but everytime MJ names is brought up these two stories are his shadows,why?, and yes i know it was a pblicity stunt, but why was he called a freak over these two?
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Re: MJ Estate: Discovery Channel Is 'Debased, Sick'

  • on: December 30, 2010, 03:02:37 PM
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this is disgusting and we should not assume that everything that is coming out including this humiliating and disgracing picture is part if Michael's plan, what good would this do anyways, it's not the same as the chamber photo, these are two different things really, and he didn't pose for a coffin picture that was photoshopped by sickos, he won't go this far as he knows how this would affect his kids, and nothing disappears from history especially the bad stuff, like this one, so not because you believe in a hoax you should think that everything that is coming towards us is from Michael, because that's not good. Sometimes we go so far. This is a mess, and no way Michael would be working with oprah and sony, hand in hand after what they did to him.

Take care and have a nice day, love and peace

 I agree. Why does everyone assume that everything is a part of his 'his' plan? I've tried looking at it from different angles, but I don't see how any good could come of a program like this.  It's morbid and an invasion of privacy in the worst possible way.  Far worse than the paparazzi. Members of the family and the estate have already spoken out against it. http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wir ... d=12503367

Even the people who usually disagree with each other are united against Discovery airing this. It's not just the fans, but the family, the estate and the L.A. coroner's office are all against it.  The consequences for society of something like this airing are very steep and i don't think people take it seriously enough.
I was confused myself, but I read this article and it does a great job of explaining why  this is wrong from any point of view.
http://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2010/1 ... -a-choice/

If you want to help do something about stopping it, here's a link explaining the process:
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/7psmml

I'm cynical about a lot of things with media and the hoax.  But I don't think this is a joke at all.  This seems really serious.
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Re: MJ Estate: Discovery Channel Is 'Debased, Sick'

  • on: December 30, 2010, 06:24:11 PM
Yeah and I insist legal action IS available and most appropriate.
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Re: MJ Estate: Discovery Channel Is 'Debased, Sick'

  • on: December 30, 2010, 09:59:06 PM
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this is disgusting and we should not assume that everything that is coming out including this humiliating and disgracing picture is part if Michael's plan, what good would this do anyways, it's not the same as the chamber photo, these are two different things really, and he didn't pose for a coffin picture that was photoshopped by sickos, he won't go this far as he knows how this would affect his kids, and nothing disappears from history especially the bad stuff, like this one, so not because you believe in a hoax you should think that everything that is coming towards us is from Michael, because that's not good. Sometimes we go so far. This is a mess, and no way Michael would be working with oprah and sony, hand in hand after what they did to him.

Take care and have a nice day, love and peace

 I agree. Why does everyone assume that everything is a part of his 'his' plan? I've tried looking at it from different angles, but I don't see how any good could come of a program like this.  It's morbid and an invasion of privacy in the worst possible way.  Far worse than the paparazzi. Members of the family and the estate have already spoken out against it. http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wir ... d=12503367

Even the people who usually disagree with each other are united against Discovery airing this. It's not just the fans, but the family, the estate and the L.A. coroner's office are all against it.  The consequences for society of something like this airing are very steep and i don't think people take it seriously enough.
I was confused myself, but I read this article and it does a great job of explaining why  this is wrong from any point of view.
http://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2010/1 ... -a-choice/

If you want to help do something about stopping it, here's a link explaining the process:
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/7psmml

I'm cynical about a lot of things with media and the hoax.  But I don't think this is a joke at all.  This seems really serious.
I do empathize with your feelings on this program however I have a different view point after reading the info on the blog nynyro provided. On one hand I totally agree with the bloggers thoughts. Especially what I posted below.

While I was reading the blog I started to think to myself, even if this show is not staged by Michael or part of the hoax it is mirroring what Michael went through in the media in 2005. Murray hasn't even gone to court for the PRE-liminary phase to see if there is enough evidence to even go to a full trial. Murray is being prosecuted, tried, and hung in the media jury and public perception of him because of all the stuff coming out like this autopsy show on Discovery.

Every time something is reported on Murray and his whereabouts, his vacation spots, his daddy issues, whatever it is: the public is being made to believe he is guilty. This is media bias and jury pollution. There will be alot of people who get pulled for jury duty and their minds will be corrupted and tainted by the media coverage before his trial.

Even if this Discovery channel show is highly disrespectful; I think it is a double edged sword. It will shine light on how Michael was crusified in the media before his trial in 2005. Murry is already guilty in many people's eyes, many people really still believe Michael is dead. This will also show the inconsistancies in the autopsy report; if they do the show correctly and follow the script they were handed when Michael made out his own autopsy. These people are a professional media show called Discovery and they are about to show the public some made up stuff. lol

This will draw more awareness to Michael's name, keeping his name in the spotlight, his family has shouted quietly for the longest to look for other criminals. Murray is a fall guy. This show may make more people aware of Michael's fake death.

Can you imagine how hard it must be to get the publics attention when your alive but now your dead and you need to come out to public view for a BAM.  :shock:

Do you really think Michael could make an appearance while shows are saying he is dead? We barely believe anything here on this forum let alone the mass public is not ready for him to come back. I am seeing this as a blessing in disguise. It has it's advantages. The public needs to wake up.

Everything is not always as it seems.


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I hope that even this short overview proves that no matter what the Discovery executives say about the purpose of the program their real idea is as follows:

To unspeakably humiliate Michael Jackson after death by showing his scars and intimate parts simulated in a synthetic body which no one will want to manifest to the outside world whether alive or dead, natural or synthetic.

To fake the process of discovering the truth about the cause of his death as sawing his skull and putting aside his brain or guts will not take us any closer to the cause of his death which was propofol – plain and simple.

To insult, defy and challenge Michael Jackson’s family by showing total disregard for their feelings and placing the ‘right’ of the world to humiliate the deceased man over the family’s right to enjoy a little privacy and respect for themselves.
 
To finally bury Michael Jackson in people’s memory. The vivid picture of his body dissected, his brain taken out of his head and muscles cut might be a try to forever replace Michael’s charming smile and gracious movements on stage with that morbid image – at least in the memory of those who will watch the “cadaver show”.

To desecrate the notion of death at large. It may be just another of those numerous ways to make people get used to the sight of death,  think of it as something ‘common’ and believe that once a person is dead his body is trash which can be treated in a way one sees fit and even without asking for the relatives’ consent to do so.

But the final and probably most global purpose of such a program is to make profit at the expense of degrading the spirit of those who will be watching the show.
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