D.A. Acknowledges Murray Defense: MJ Killed Himself

[bec]

nothing but love, I respect your dedication to your research but your theory doesn't consider that many family members (Joe, Katherine, Jermaine, LaToya, Randy, Janet) have spoken openly about how MJ was manipulated, controlled, surrounded by bad people, about a vast conspiracy again him, with many players, not just Murray/more then just Murray, to steal his catalog, and it's all going to come out, and it's just like a magic trick, and we will fight for justice and truth to prevail. This would indicate that at the same time the family is playing along with the kidnappers/murders to protect themselves and other family members by perpetuating a fake death hoax, they are also openly speaking to the media about the kidnappers/murders who allegedly conspired against MJ resulting in his death, and that is contradictory. It doesn't add it when you consider all of the information.

[~Souza~]

nothing but love, I respect your dedication to your research but your theory doesn't consider that many family members (Joe, Katherine, Jermaine, LaToya, Randy, Janet) have spoken openly about how MJ was manipulated, controlled, surrounded by bad people, about a vast conspiracy again him, with many players, not just Murray/more then just Murray, to steal his catalog, and it's all going to come out, and it's just like a magic trick, and we will fight for justice and truth to prevail. This would indicate that at the same time the family is playing along with the kidnappers/murders to protect themselves and other family members by perpetuating a fake death hoax, they are also openly speaking to the media about the kidnappers/murders who allegedly conspired against MJ resulting in his death, and that is contradictory. It doesn't add it when you consider all of the information.

Exactly. In other words: it doesnt make sense.

[GirlInTheMirror]

nothing but love, I respect your dedication to your research but your theory doesn't consider that many family members (Joe, Katherine, Jermaine, LaToya, Randy, Janet) have spoken openly about how MJ was manipulated, controlled, surrounded by bad people, about a vast conspiracy again him, with many players, not just Murray/more then just Murray, to steal his catalog, and it's all going to come out, and it's just like a magic trick, and we will fight for justice and truth to prevail. This would indicate that at the same time the family is playing along with the kidnappers/murders to protect themselves and other family members by perpetuating a fake death hoax, they are also openly speaking to the media about the kidnappers/murders who allegedly conspired against MJ resulting in his death, and that is contradictory. It doesn't add it when you consider all of the information.

Exactly. In other words: it doesnt make sense.

Agree!

[nothing but love]

@bec: Yes they spoke about conspiracy, did they give any details? or they appear to the people and even the media as nut cases, speaking about people wanting his catalogue isn't new news to the people or those who knows Michael Jackson (fans), so what they said isn't new and of no danger at all on the bad guys, they didn't give any details, they are just speaking general words.

 The problem is i can't base my opinion or facts on just the family reactions and how they behave, first because we don't have all the answers and we don't know them or what is going on with them behind close doors, it's not something to base your view of the case on, the police don't do that when they deal with real cases. All the documents, the timeline, the medical facts, court papers, motives,,,,,etc, point towards murder or taken against his will, if you checked my site, you're gonna see that i made a review of the documents Joe provided, the contracts, the money that was taken by the DA and GA, the testimony of Dr.Richelle Cooper the head of the ER department on that,,,,etc all of this can't be ignored because of how the family reacts.

Another thing is Michael really that stupid to do hoax based on drug OD, he knows how the public will react and what they will accuse him, this will affect his kids and his reputation till the end of times, does Michael really need a hoax to comeback! and when and if he comes back according to a hoax perspective, will the people love him more, or crucify him more and hate him more, and am not talking about the fans, am talking about the public and the media, when someone makes a hoax he does it for serious reasons, because he is threatened or there is a danger to his life, normal people do hoaxed everyday better than this one, and he won't care to send clues or whatever for the fans, if he is in danger he will think more about his safety and his kids, making a hoax for a comeback for over a year, is not a smart move and MJ doesn't need that, when the concerts where announced, the tickets were sold out on spot, that is MJ and he doesn't need to die to return, no good will come of this at all.

I have been looking at all of this for a long time, legal papers and his history and everything leads to a danger situation. It's not because it's my research or whatever, i don't care, but i have to say what i saw in the leads to this case, i wish am wrong, but with all the stuff, and after rowe's book, and reading the history for sony and all of that, everything points to a danger situation, it's not about me, it's about him, i don't care about me at all.

Take care sweetie, and have a nice day love and peace.

[Grace]

... he doesn't need to die to return[/b], no good will come of this at all.

Who says Michael has to die to return?
Who says Michael will return?
No good will come of this at all?

You think Michael was kidnapped for $$$ and in order to make him sign disadvantageous contracts to hand his fortune over to some evil minds?
I would imagine, this deal would only take 4 weeks to 4 months in a South American djungle camp and then his body would be left to the jaguar. As the big finance bosses usually join in a sauna or golf green a.s.o., handing the coerced signitures over would not even require a postage stamp. NO cover-up would be needed AT ALL.

Would we - in such a capture case - find his kids being bored? (You may argue they got drugged as well, ok.)
Friends chitchat laughing? (They got drugged as well, ok.)
Informers trying to ease fans' distress? (They got not only drugged but also paid, ok.)
Coinkidances in almost every movie, leakage, song thus whenever Michael himself is expressing himself? (He was drugged as well or somebody knew him and his fans so well that he knew what to plant how as a cover-up that it was recognizable in a certain context that only folks following MJ for a while would realize and thus would be silenced or diverted, ok.)

Sorry, with all due respect, I don't buy into this theory at all.
The papers that are accessible to us have been planted on purpose like those paralleling law suits. This goes into the V theme.
Michael has invested his $$$ in such a way that it CANNOT be touched.
This I believe from observing the rare leakages about his business deals.
Michael is a professional and not a victim.
If I ever would have been burned, then disgraced to my bones and beyond, I would not have been sitting around getting drugged and waiting for any leaching cockroach of the world to go after my hardly earned bucks. Never. Plus certainly not after planning for a family. NO way.

[nothing but love]

@Grace, First happy new year! let's be calm while discussing things, you don't have to buy anything in anyone says, and the same goes for me.

I didn't say that the friends and family and kids and whatever you mentioned were drugged, that is really belittling what i have been saying big time, what do these have to do with him being in danger or whatever, should the whole world know that he is kidnapped. That's mocking, i won't expect that COURT PAPERS would be fake, as this is a big trouble and problem, at least these won't be fake. The TIMELINE is not fake as well.

Who said that he needs to die to comeback, the hoax idea said it! what most believes in is this, he died to comeback, does this add up on any level!

They took him, they will need him as long as they need his creative work and the stuff that he only knows where they are, and no one else knows but him. Please read what i have mentioned without being that angry and we can discuss peacefully. And who said that when someone is taken against his will means that he is weak and stupid, It's an ACCIDENT, it's against your will, there is nothing you can do about it. I know he is not weak and he is very smart, but when you are all alone there is not much that you can do, when they are everywhere. Michael is not stupid either to hide for sending clues, playing games and a comeback or doing a v theme or whatever. What good if any and what's the point of all of this.

I am gonna leave you the links to the findings, and i am gonna quote a post i have replied with before. Please take the time to read them and then we can discuss, rather than accusing me or being angry at something like that. At the end of the day, no bad feelings, everyone is entitled to their thinking, but after you check and see everything, like i do, and i never got angry or mocked anyone even with the most wicked theories out there.

The links:
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@ignisaeternus: Hi, thanks and have a great year. I will try to answer the questions as much as i can because after all i don't have all the answers, but I am really glad to see your post. I'll keep referring you to the sites because this is too long am just mentioning the main points and i have already wrote too much as you can see.

-Why would they take him?
--Why did they try to put him in jail in 2005, they always wanted him out of the way, because he won't do anything they want. and to add to your question why now?, that is since i don't believe in coincidences at all, when you look at the timeline, Michael's contract with sony was due to end July 2009, and he was gonna leave them once and for all, and he was gonna have 100% of his royalties back in 2011, i have explained this in details. The incident happened in the 25th of June, 2009. Could this be a coincidence? I don't think so, that's a red flag to be raised. Why was he working on a new album to be released only at the time that he was leaving sony? That's right, because he was finally gonna be a free agent and work away from them, if he wanted to work with them again, he would have done so years before, but he didn't, he was working privately, until the time that his contract was gonna end and then worked professionally to prepare the album for release, except that it was away from sony, in a private studio, even Will.i.am said that they finished the album and that Michael have it and no one, not even him has a copy or know where it is. When Michael leaves sony what will happen to them? They will loose the millions of dollars they make on his expense every year, and they will lose almost the only artist who sells in the age of the internet and piracy. According to an economic article, MJ saved sony music department from losses, you guessed it (after his d****), saying that without that, they would have continued to lose in the music section.

So, why would they keep him, they just wanted him out of the way, so they could control his stuff, but they still need him for the creative work, for the music stuff, because no one could do it like him, and we all saw the last album and how it had the vocals of someone else, and most of the fans am included, would have preferred the release of raw demos, rather than this. As long as Michael is not co-operating they still need him, because when they are done with him, he is out. He is the only one who knows where most of his unreleased work and plans, he is the only one who can get them out MJ style and no one else can do that. They wanted him to be under their control and do what they pleases like the other artists, but we all know that is not possible with MJ, he stopped working for years just because he doesn't want to work with them.

-Do you think the family knows?
-- Sure, they do, that's why Kathrine suddenly stopped speaking about a third autopsy and stopped doubting it, that's why Joe's name is dragged through mud every time he speaks, that's why he said (ask those who know!, i don't know as the people who know,,,when i know am gonna tell you) when larry asked him about where is Michael's body is, he should have said ask the FAMILY, since they were the ones doing everything while joe was away, but instead he said ask the people who know, not the family, at the time it didn't make any sense, and all of the fans thought it's hoax related, but it didn't add up with me, until i watched it again and looked at his body language, just looks how angry and serious he gets when asked that question, he stared at larry as a sign to stop pushing the matter forward, see it again. That's why all of a sudden they stopped talking a lot about conspiracy and so, including Latoya who was all over the place, now the best they could say is that murray was fall guy and the most they can do is accuse AEG and they know that is a lose situation. The only one who really thinks that he is the next MJ is jermaine and i already have my doubts about him, because just like in 2005 when geller introduced bashit to Michael and afterwards the trial started, this time in 2009 his brother introduced him to tohme and afterwards Michael was gone, and i am not gonna be convinced that jermaine didn't know tohme before introducing him, just like am not gonna be convinced that geller didn't know bashit before introducing him, illogical, and many other things, i have explained a lot in the site.

-Your question about the autopsy:
-- There is part of the truth in it and that is the IV drug levels for one reason only, when you are doing something like that, they sure have the coroner working with them but they can't have the entire stuff in on it, there are very few people involved, what happened is that the stuff went to the house (and not all of them like i said know), they went there, collected whatever they found and included in a report on the 26th (the report was written on that day, so they must have been in the house on the day of the incident the 25th), murray is not stupid (in other words the people who are operating him) he planted the rest of the drugs and bottles so it could appear as if Michael was using drugs like crazy. The same thing happened in the hospital, according to the paramedics report, murray called someone (an official) in UCLA right before they left, but again you can buy one person but you can't buy the entire hospital, so they took him there and the Head of the Emergency department was there with the responsible doctor and staff and according to her timeline (you can see it in the link, under the summary of what really happened to MJ, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login), Michael was doing fine, when you take anesthesia, it's normal that your HR would be below the normal and your breathing would be barely and hardly noticed that's why they have to put something to monitor the breathing, Michael's HR was fifty something according to her and he was breathing fine through the balloon, suddenly he was pronounced doesn't make sense, it's normal that they would take blood samples and so on for testing, so what we have is his blood test results, because remember Michael doesn't drink and don't do drugs and his sample was clean, no levels of alcohol or any other drugs but the IV ones. The doctor there can't tell the staff don't take the samples or do normal procedures they would be busted big time, they can control what's gonna be in the report, and how it's gonna look like, so they could mix the truth with the lies, look at his forehead in the ambulance photo, there is an obvious frown on his face, and that could make sense if he was resisting them, and that's why they used these drugs. If he wants to run away, there is no need for all of this mess, it could have been an accident and we're done here, the fact that he was knocked out using heavy anesthesia, the alarm at the hospital went off as soon as the family saw him and he was on the plane and of he goes and no one knows where the hell was he taken, speaks volumes, again check the site for more details on the autopsy.

-Why would the make a hoax for small people?
--because they need to cover up their tracks, and it's always the minority that matters, the general public takes whatever they hear on the tv even if doesn't make sense, they take it and that's it, it's the minority that matters, because they dig and search and look for the truth, and they could be the ones uncovering them, so when they keep us busy for a hoax waiting for him to comeback and looking for the clues and so, we won't look for the truth and we won't follow real evidence we will keep looking at fake stuff. And after years when he won't come back, the fans would say he just want to be left alone but we know he is alright and everyone would be happy but him. I'll give you an example, a hollywood producer who was working on the movie scream, she said we used to set up forums and put fake theories on them so that the fans won't UNCOVER what's gonna happen in the next part, it was a method of DISTRACTION and it succeeded according to her, now the same question Why would a producer care about the minority of fans of the movie (you won't expect that all the people were online discussing the movie, only few)?
she answered it: SO THEY WON'T UNCOVER WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, DISTRACTION. The same is happening here, if they can do this with a movie or whatever, it's better used as murder or a kidnap cover up. Why don't you ask the same question: why would Michael care about a small number of fans to give him clues when he has to focus on himself if he is in danger and hiding? the logical answer is that he won't bother, when i am hiding for serious reasons i AM HIDING period, no trail, nothing that could endanger me or my life, and him hiding for a movie or a comeback, seriously for almost 2 years now, doesn't add up, he would be crucified for this and he is not stupid and he doesn't need that.
The minority matters more than the majority, because these are the thinkers, just let them in the wrong direction and they will complete and keep going on in circles forever. And they would allow everything to pass, even the autopsy documentary of discovery, and a fake album to be released under his name, just because they are looking for "CLUES", let's keep them busy while we are doing our work, stealing.

Again considering the drugs and the autopsy, i am a pharmacist and i sat with an anesthesiologist, and we calculated the dosage and everything, it's a perfect dosage for him, they are not high or anything, this am 100% sure about, he could even take up to 50 mls more and it won't be danger to him, and what the doctor said was IS HE SUPPOSED TO HAVE DIED FROM THIS? i told him yes, he nodded and said it doesn't make sense, because it's a perfect anesthesia cocktail that is being used in operations, and it's being given to him, the autopsy report has the truth mixed up and hidden with the rest of crap mentioned there, you just should be able to find it, and that is like i said you can't bribe the whole stuff to be on a conspiracy, so the things that were collected are true, the blood tests are true, just the comments and the other drugs which are not IV are false. To hide them, murray planted many boxes of even the IV drugs themselves and other pills and so on, because that's the best they could do when the people who are gonna collect the stuff come, because they can't tell the entire medical community, we have kidnapped him and you need to play along, you see what i mean.

I hope i answered your questions and if you want to discuss anything further please do, after all we want the truth, nothing more and nothing less. I kept referring you to the sites, because as you can see, i already wrote too much in this post, and it's really just main points i gave you, and it's that long, so you can read more details of you like on the sites and i'll be more than glad to answer anything and discuss anything further.

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Take care sweetie and have a nice day, love and peace

Take care and have a nice day, love and peace

[hesouttamylife]

What I have been able to deduct from this is that yes, Murray injected Michael with the drug purposely with Michael's approval as a decoy.  Yes paramedics were called in. Yes Michael went to the hospital as did Murray.  Murray got to the top hospital officials and then his role took flight as did he.  Yes Michael is and was alive.  However, the plot to kill him once revealed went into danger mode and the hospital staff had to work with him and his "people" to get him into safety.  Here enters the "code of silence" which has proven bullet proof.  The only way to do this was to distract the media and the public long enough to get him into safe keeping.  The ONLY way in the world to divert anybody from the fact that MJ was in that hospital would be to announce publicly that he had died. (Enters Jermaine's main role).  All the attention is now totally diverted as the world is in a universal state of shock.  The media is now scrambling for "firsts" and looking back for clues. The public is no longer hoping and watching for signs of Michael's condition improving, our diversion.  The planet is insane with grief and disbelief and shock, and thus the perfect time for Michael to be moved with the help of who ever is needed, legal, political, official.  To ensure things moved smoothly and attention diverted long enough a murder suspect had to become the target of the world's attention.  HOWEVER, as Michael told us in this is it, piece by piece the mystery will unravel.  And so it has now started to unravel, and the world is beginning to see all the inconsistencies as the real truth unfolds right before our eyes.  And as intricate as it is, it all makes sense.  It was orchestrated perfectly.  So many clues were missed initially, as planned.  Now we are searching back for what we missed to try and strategize when things changed hands.  We know now as it has become more and more evident that the silence, and all of what has happened since June 25th is surely for Michael's safety.  That's why the silence hasn't been broken.  There is too much at stake to risk loose lips.  That's what I get from this.

[Grace]

NBL, I am wishing you a happy new year as well.
I am not angry nor irritated by your posts. I just don't agree with your conclusion. That's not terrible btw. I appreciate you opening your concerns and your intense research.

In general, any investigation must consider means, motive and opportunity when looking at any (potential) evidence.
The first evidence in this scenery was that no evidence was collected as in any "regular" case.
We were presented media material only. No police show up, no official statement, nothing.
Jermaine doing the statement replacing hospital officials because he was threatened?
The family cooperating with evil individuals at that moment already? The tapes and the doc getting lost? The family allowed to clean the house truckwise during 3 days before any police went in? All due to threats and evil minds? Hmmm.
Those other cases that were giving "unclear" or even "mysterious" causes of death worked out completely different. They are NOT feeding the public every day with the name of the deceased to not get forgotten.

Why would a cover-up need permanent repetition and on-going mocking of the case?
A cover-up slips into silence because that's the aim of a cover-up: to spread a cover.

So why would a cover-up repeat again and again (and even recess up to complete idiotism) the weird circumstances of the "passing" of Michael Joseph Jackson? To feed evil-minded brainwash into the world's consciousness that MJ not only died of a drug overdose but also killed himself and that he was not only the worst criminal but also had a complete weirdo, sick mind and in the end deserved his fate due to his wrong-doing all the time?
(I am overly pointing out the logic - it is not that I am supporting this or insinuating in any way that you, NBL, said so. It is important to understand that I am following a path that has not been stated but which would be a logic consequence of what some of the media have fed us up to today - I may be wrong in that logic as well, LOL, don't beat me, thanks...)

What did we get as informations via media? In addition to media material we were presented some documents as "proof" (like the proof picture of the picture (proof of the infamous ambulance photo shooting)). Well, the documents would be carrying wrong outdated stamps, dates, signitures, would be blacked out, left blank at sensitive areas, signed by the family instead of authorities, signed at dates when the signing individual was obviously not present, filled out on wrong outdated form sheets etc. etc. Hmmm.

I do indeed consider some documents to be faked for some reasons, yes, even court-relevant documents could be faked. It happens all over the world every day that paper is not worth the ink on it. We were presented invented stories all the way down to today. We were presented twisted statements, even "live" court videos showed more questionable material than reliable one.

How could fake find its way into a precious justice system? Any system is only as strong as its weakest element - which is the single human being. Banana republics? Yes, they do exist everywhere. Small ones and big ones. Hidden or in the public eye.

We could then come down to other evidence which is interviews, film, TV appearances, print, whatever we were confronted with which is not hear-say nor interpretation of some intermediate human being. There you saw a happy, smiling family (even at memorial), happy friends, friends unexpectedly stabbing him into his back as soon as he was not "present" anymore, official statements, reps, lawyers and God knows who else found himself qualified to speak for and on behalf of somebody else as to Michael Joseph Jackson.

After all that whoopla we can conclude the only reliable material would be coming from Michael Jackson himself. His songs, his music, his films, his videos, his director's passion and specific way of pointing things out, his art, his notes, his interviews, his signitures. We found a lot of this material to be questionable too - due to the controversy that was stirred on purpose. But in the end, ONLY Michael's personal statements and (left / leaked) materials will build a sound basis for any investigation.

Tired of injustice
Tired of the schemes
The lies are disgusting
So what does it mean
Kicking me down
I got to get up
As jacked as it sounds
The whole system sucks
[Scream Lyrics]

From what we were being served on silver, golden and platinum plates since June 25, there is no way to convince me that Michael was drugged down, captured against his will and is being held somewhere in order to abuse his talents, cash in on him or whatever any hostage reason should be.
Could anybody imagine he would return into lion's den without any well-done preparation, especially while being accompanied by his children? Did anybody else unveil the kids or was it their father himself?

I tend to not overestimate Hollywood and affiliates (as to means, motive and opportunity).
I tend to not underestimate Michael Jackson (as to means, motive and opportunity).


Sending out a smile or 2 on this New Year's Day hoping for many occasions for laughter and joy in 2011:

I will tell you everything. They have Michael Jackson, but I don't know them, I just know he is here with me safe and sound but in danger. He will comeback but I can't talk to him, but he will or maybe he won't. He can change his mind if he wants to, but he will probably be back. He will make his return before 2728. Know this. I have proof but I can't prove it.

[credits to lovelidae]

Michael reads this Forum but has never been here.
He knows you are real fans that are not real fans.
He will comeback or maybe not.
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[credits to annieisnotokey]



Running undercover...

[paula-c]

The first evidence in this scenery was that no evidence was collected as in any "regular" case.
We were presented media material only. No police show up, no official statement, nothing.
Jermaine doing the statement replacing hospital officials because he was threatened?
The family cooperating with evil individuals at that moment already? The tapes and the doc getting lost? The family allowed to clean the house truckwise during 3 days before any police went in? All due to threats and evil minds? Hmmm.

And still it is necessary to question the photo of the ambulance..