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Re: TIAI 01/03
January 03, 2011, 11:50:17 PM
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I think what Andrea means is that the court case must be percieved as real (to the general public aka non-believers) so that if/when Michael comes back, and the public learns that it was all fake (if it's fake), then hopefully criticism towards Prince can be avoided (people calling him a liar...its just the way the common person reacts). Cause if this whole thing is really staged, one of the first things that is going to go through peoples minds is how many lies were told. If they never catch on to the case being fake (IF it is fake), then they WILL assume that Prince lied under oath in a supposedly real court room.

Yes, thank you for elaborating - that is where I was going with that.

And we don't really know what the kids may have lied about, or not lied about.  We have several versions of what Prince saw/did/heard on *that* day.  I can't actually recall the children ever saying anything publicly about their dad's "death", I've only seen footage of them praising their dad.

I think the court is real, but 'real' in a way like the 911 call, the ambulance and helicopter rides, etc.  So I guess like 'on the surface' real if you see what I'm trying to say.

I agree with Bec that artists use lies to tell the truth.  This is performance art and this particular artist is aware of his audience just as much as he would be aware of any legalities and loopholes to make it work in the way he's envisioned.  There has been far too much planning on every imaginable level for the hoax to be de-railed by a prelim hearing, whether real or staged.  

But keep the kids away from certain aspects, that makes sense.
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Re: TIAI 01/03
January 04, 2011, 12:09:14 AM
performance art?
put yourself in his shoes, would you leave your own kids in this just for the sake of a performance?
this is a serious act here, we're just speculating.
no offense, but it's too much.
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AndreaTopic starter

Re: TIAI 01/03
January 04, 2011, 12:28:01 AM
Quote from: "allforus7"
performance art?
put yourself in his shoes, would you leave your own kids in this just for the sake of a performance?
this is a serious act here, we're just speculating.
no offense, but it's too much.

Performance art on a totally different scale from any other performance art.  And I believe that part is not even the "point" of the hoax.  And we don't know how often Michael sees his kids, it could very well be a lot more than one might think.

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Re: TIAI 01/03
January 04, 2011, 12:32:31 AM
I see, Andrea.
I do not share the same opinion because I do not follow the redirects, TS already broke my heart expecting for MJ a year ago.
But if you put it like that and this is enough evidence for you, maybe performance act means simply faking the trial, no special effects and no entertainment as in art. So different views, different people.
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MJonmind

Re: TIAI 01/03
January 04, 2011, 01:43:04 AM
If it is this Judge Pastor, the same with the toy yellow taxi and sunflower, he has to be in on the hoax. I don't know legal matters, but would he not be able to with some motion, nullify everything that went on, throw out the case, etc. for any reason he chooses, so no legal record would stand especially for a minor such as Prince if he had to lie under oath? Wipe the slate clean somehow? All a movie, all performance art.
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bec

Re: TIAI 01/03
January 04, 2011, 02:00:50 AM
Quote from: "MJonmind"
If it is this Judge Pastor, the same with the toy yellow taxi and sunflower, he has to be in on the hoax. I don't know legal matters, but would he not be able to with some motion, nullify everything that went on, throw out the case, etc. for any reason he chooses, so no legal record would stand especially for a minor such as Prince if he had to lie under oath? Wipe the slate clean somehow? All a movie, all performance art.
Interesting. I don't know in any factual way but I suppose that has to be true, he is the judge after all. He was the judge who waived the defendant's right to hearing his charge read out loud in court. No charge announced=no charge, possibly.

This is part of the reasons I used to theorize that court was staged. Performance art, movie set. Certain slight changes from reality but not many, other then the judge knowing.

This is all very interesting to me, how this is going to play out.
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Re: TIAI 01/03
January 04, 2011, 02:31:33 AM
TS redirects to the best post available, so that means he might not 100% agree. Take out the 'under oath' part and the court case is fake again. I agree with TheFunkMiser, the kids simply don't have to lie, as in going into detail about his death.
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Sarahli

Re: TIAI 01/03
January 04, 2011, 02:39:16 AM
If the purpose of all that is to prove something and I believe so then there must be truth in this case meaning this trial is not totally fake. Michael faked his death for real (lol) so as previously said I believe that only key people are in the know but the rest is "real". We must not forget Michael's trial with false testimonies, fake evidences etc. ... corruption exists and if enough money is put under the table you can pretty much do anything I think. Prince will not have to lie imo.
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Re: TIAI 01/03
January 04, 2011, 02:50:36 AM
Quote from: "Sarahli"
If the purpose of all that is to prove something and I believe so then there must be truth in this case meaning this trial is not totally fake. Michael faked his death for real (lol) so as previously said I believe that only key people are in the know but the rest is "real". We must not forget Michael's trial with false testimonies, fake evidences etc. ... corruption exists and if enough money is put under the table you can pretty much do anything I think. Prince will not have to lie imo.
True, but from what I have seen in court in this case, was too ridiculous not to be a movie set. Fake money, stuffed items, dinkytoys. I agree that a few people need to be 'in', otherwise this simply couldn't be done. Someone will spill the beans that there never was a hearing if they didn't at least show up there with the circus. But for all I know they could be having tea inside that building. The prelim being real doesn't make sense to me, since there was never a dead body. How could it if they don't have a corpse?
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Re: TIAI 01/03
January 04, 2011, 02:58:31 AM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "Sarahli"
If the purpose of all that is to prove something and I believe so then there must be truth in this case meaning this trial is not totally fake. Michael faked his death for real (lol) so as previously said I believe that only key people are in the know but the rest is "real". We must not forget Michael's trial with false testimonies, fake evidences etc. ... corruption exists and if enough money is put under the table you can pretty much do anything I think. Prince will not have to lie imo.
True, but from what I have seen in court in this case, was too ridiculous not to be a movie set. Fake money, stuffed items, dinkytoys. I agree that a few people need to be 'in', otherwise this simply couldn't be done. Someone will spill the beans that there never was a hearing if they didn't at least show up there with the circus. But for all I know they could be having tea inside that building. The prelim being real doesn't make sense to me, since there was never a dead body. How could it if they don't have a corpse?

In reality I have hard time to imagine what percentage of real - not real there is and I'm trying to understand what are the lessons to be learned from that. Maybe that indeed they're having tea all together and that this is all just to make believe the people that this is a real trial while in reality this is a fake trial, behind close doors and that it is considered as truth just because the media report it to be so.
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Re: TIAI 01/03
January 04, 2011, 03:04:14 AM
Quote from: "Sarahli"
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "Sarahli"
If the purpose of all that is to prove something and I believe so then there must be truth in this case meaning this trial is not totally fake. Michael faked his death for real (lol) so as previously said I believe that only key people are in the know but the rest is "real". We must not forget Michael's trial with false testimonies, fake evidences etc. ... corruption exists and if enough money is put under the table you can pretty much do anything I think. Prince will not have to lie imo.
True, but from what I have seen in court in this case, was too ridiculous not to be a movie set. Fake money, stuffed items, dinkytoys. I agree that a few people need to be 'in', otherwise this simply couldn't be done. Someone will spill the beans that there never was a hearing if they didn't at least show up there with the circus. But for all I know they could be having tea inside that building. The prelim being real doesn't make sense to me, since there was never a dead body. How could it if they don't have a corpse?

In reality I have hard time to imagine what percentage of real - not real there is and I'm trying to understand what are the lessons to be learned from that. Maybe that indeed they're having tea all together and that this is all just to make believe the people that this is a real trial while in reality this is a fake trial, behind close doors and that it is considered as truth just because the media report it to be so.
That is exactly what I think. Let's see what happens today.
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Re: TIAI 01/03
January 04, 2011, 08:58:22 AM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "Sarahli"

In reality I have hard time to imagine what percentage of real - not real there is and I'm trying to understand what are the lessons to be learned from that. Maybe that indeed they're having tea all together and that this is all just to make believe the people that this is a real trial while in reality this is a fake trial, behind close doors and that it is considered as truth just because the media report it to be so.
That is exactly what I think. Let's see what happens today.

Same here. We have no clue what they're doing behind the closed doors. And why are we having the hearings on the 9th floor all the time??? Isn't it interesting? The ones who follow TS know what 9 means for Michael and for the hoax and we're having all the hearings at the 9th floor. The last one was at the 9th floor again. And this is something I posted on TMZ section. It can be interesting for some of you.

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Okay the interesting thing is, I don't know if you believe it or not and if you have ever been on LKL blogs but there was an informer there. And 4 moths ago s/he wrote a couple of times with capital latters that there will be a STAR WITNESS in the upcoming Murray hearings and s/he also wrote that there will be TRIAL! I don't know if this can be a koinkidannk that TMZ chose this title for Kenny :D But I don't believe in koinkidankes in this hoax :D Just wanted to let you guys know about it. Everything is very well planned and there's nothing to worry about. That's how I feel.

Here are some of her posts about the issue. There were more about the Star Witness issue and I'll be finding more posts of the informer about it.

-The preliminary hearing will be in January 2011. Though by the time this is posted it will be old news. More surprises on the way.
-The Informer

August 23rd, 2010 11:49 pm ET


-It is too soon for the Star Witness. That will be for the trial. Today's surprise is the delay. There will be more surprises to come in the first week of September and the end of October for the final buildup in January 2011 and the the magical comeback. Always remember the missing video security tapes of the 25th, the missing Thome Thome, broke Conrad's mystery financing, the old man at the Memorial, Brooke's admittance of being given a speech to read, the invited close friends at the interment, the blank tomb which is historically recognized at Forest Lawn since the early 1950s as a solid block and is merely a decoration underneath the stained glass Last Supper window, Conrad's recorded video statement like Michael had done when he defended himself and most importantly follow the number 7 as it will keep appearing everywhere. This is Reality Film. Michael started planning his shocking comeback with a famous magician back in 2006.
-The Informer

August 27th, 2010 2:41 am ET

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Re: TIAI 01/03
January 04, 2011, 09:03:28 AM
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I see, Andrea.
I do not share the same opinion because I do not follow the redirects, TS already broke my heart expecting for MJ a year ago.
But if you put it like that and this is enough evidence for you, maybe performance act means simply faking the trial, no special effects and no entertainment as in art. So different views, different people.

May I ask why TS made you expect MJ to come back last year? TS never wrote that MJ was coming back in a certain date. He NEVER gave us a date. He wrote about the piece by piece RETURN started. It is so obvious that you do not follow the redirects and also you didn't read the posts of TS well and came to a decision so early and broke your own heart yourself. And I've got this feeling that we already know you. You do not sound like a new member. There are not many people on the forum who lose their faith so easily, but just 2 of them does.  8-)
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Re: TIAI 01/03
January 04, 2011, 10:41:52 AM
There are many things in the eyes of the world were real, the picture of the ambulance, the transfer of the body in the helicopter, the memorial, the funeral, the report of forensic,..we are going to challenge all these things now?
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Re: TIAI 01/03
January 04, 2011, 11:45:02 AM
Quote from: "bec"
Reread the thread and it's obvious now, the redirect is indeed to the "not have to lie under oath" part that Andrea said and that means court is real  :shock:

but it also means, I realized, that "they" (MJ camp) are pretty sure it won't make it past the prelim trial phase because surely Prince would inevitably be called to the stand in an official manslaughter trial. Now the only question is why are they pretty sure? Are they pretty sure because they have it rigged through the judge to ensure it, or pretty sure because they have it rigged through the witnesses, or pretty sure just because as we already know, the facts are scarce, the testimonies don't line up, the time line makes no sense, and the evidence including the scene were grossly mismanaged?

I have been operating under the theory that court is staged, movie set on site style, so the court is real theory takes a little bit of rethinking for me. If court is real, and this is really how it goes down and really all it takes to be tried in court for some criminal offense, how are they going to ensure that Murray doesn't actually go to prison?? I would say, well the star witness, MJ himself walking in pretty much nullifies the entire situ, but now we are getting signals that there will be no star witness at the prelim.

So I'm having a wtf moment.

Interesting redirect! LIES is the topic of the day!  ;)
Lies to make truth is performance art  - it makes Art a form of Resistance ---> MJ AIR is a key concept within the "MJ Universe" but real liars are not welcome.
Michael does Not like Liars.

...Sorry for Thinking loud, back to the re-direct!
Like Bec and Sarahli, I find it difficult to differentiate between the Truth and the lies or said differently what is staged (fake) and what is real... How far can one push lies to make truth?
If the court case is indeed real, what are the "fake elements" that will ensure The exact Scenario is played!  This would be a far greater challenge than a mock court case with far greater risks but it is possible.  Keeping the children away from it would however probably be a PRIORITY as court experience can be traumatic... unless the right protective environment can be set within a real court case and NO lies had to be told under oath.

My take from this re-direct is that the children are NOT being made to Lie, they are acting their role in a movie.

With L.O.V.E  :)

PS: Thank You TS for this Re-direct and Andrea for an insightful comment.
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