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TIAI January 6
January 05, 2011, 10:22:50 PM
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Paramedics as testigying did not recogonize the patient to be michael jackson .....
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Re: TIAI 1/06
January 05, 2011, 10:37:53 PM
never heard that before, does this twitter have proof?
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Re: TIAI 1/06
January 05, 2011, 10:46:34 PM
Indeed the paramedics didn't recognize the patient...because Michael was never their patient.  

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Richard Senneff testified when he arrived at MJ's house and saw MJ, he looked like a hospice patient -- extremely frail.

IF there WAS a body there...maybe that explains the "looked like a hospice patient"... because the body was one. Someone who had recently died but not before volunteering his dying body...someone who was sick and frail and of course didn't resemble Michael Jackson.  A brave soul who knew he wouldn't live and offered what help he could?
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Re: TIAI 1/06
January 05, 2011, 10:54:03 PM
That's been a consistent story since day one, yes.  

I don't believe there was any actual body though. I think this is a fabricated story.
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Re: TIAI 1/06
January 05, 2011, 10:56:35 PM
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That's been a consistent story since day one, yes.  

I don't believe there was any actual body though. I think this is a fabricated story.

Ya that part always bothered me - whether there was a body there that day or not.
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Re: TIAI 1/06
January 05, 2011, 11:07:36 PM
Somehow I think for acting purposes, wouldn't it be easier on major people involved to have an actual body and carrying out some tasks so they could picture things in their minds when in the testimony box. I think they at least carried out some mock scenes so everyone was on board with similar stories. I still think the AR was on a real dead person (maybe this one here) and coupled together with actual info on MJ's real body :oops: . Just my thoughts.
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Re: TIAI 1/06
January 05, 2011, 11:09:47 PM
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Quote from: "bec"
That's been a consistent story since day one, yes.  

I don't believe there was any actual body though. I think this is a fabricated story.

Ya that part always bothered me - whether there was a body there that day or not.

To me an actual dead body is an actual crime. It's a crime to pass off a dead person as someone they are not, that's not a little thing either that's a big crime, federal and such. I have a hard time believing that he would be so careful about legality elsewhere in this hoax and let mishandling of a corpse and etc involved with that hang over his come back.
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bec

Re: TIAI 1/06
January 05, 2011, 11:11:52 PM
Quote from: "MJonmind"
Somehow I think for acting purposes, wouldn't it be easier on major people involved to have an actual body and carrying out some tasks so they could picture things in their minds when in the testimony box. I think they at least carried out some mock scenes so everyone was on board with similar stories. I still think the AR was on a real dead person (maybe this one here) and coupled together with actual info on MJ's real body :oops: . Just my thoughts.

That's true as well, which leads me to believe if the emt's were deceived and unknowing parties in the hoax, that it was MJ himself playing dead on that stretcher. Which is possible considering Murray's reported "constant interference" at the scene, but same time doesn't explain the ambulance pic (which also shows one handed cpr by emt).
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Re: TIAI 1/06
January 05, 2011, 11:25:28 PM
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Somehow I think for acting purposes, wouldn't it be easier on major people involved to have an actual body and carrying out some tasks so they could picture things in their minds when in the testimony box. I think they at least carried out some mock scenes so everyone was on board with similar stories. I still think the AR was on a real dead person (maybe this one here) and coupled together with actual info on MJ's real body :oops: . Just my thoughts.

That's true as well, which leads me to believe if the emt's were deceived and unknowing parties in the hoax, that it was MJ himself playing dead on that stretcher. Which is possible considering Murray's reported "constant interference" at the scene, but same time doesn't explain the ambulance pic (which also shows one handed cpr by emt).

Isn't the ambulance pic fake according to Brian Oxman?
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Re: TIAI 1/06
January 05, 2011, 11:28:41 PM
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Quote from: "bec"
Quote from: "MJonmind"
Somehow I think for acting purposes, wouldn't it be easier on major people involved to have an actual body and carrying out some tasks so they could picture things in their minds when in the testimony box. I think they at least carried out some mock scenes so everyone was on board with similar stories. I still think the AR was on a real dead person (maybe this one here) and coupled together with actual info on MJ's real body :oops: . Just my thoughts.

That's true as well, which leads me to believe if the emt's were deceived and unknowing parties in the hoax, that it was MJ himself playing dead on that stretcher. Which is possible considering Murray's reported "constant interference" at the scene, but same time doesn't explain the ambulance pic (which also shows one handed cpr by emt).

Isn't the ambulance pic fake according to Brian Oxman?

*Loophole

Oxman was 99.9%* sure it was a fake in his opinion*.
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Re: TIAI 1/06
January 05, 2011, 11:40:52 PM
I don't think there was a body or someone playing *dead* in the ambulance. The EMT's would have notice it quickly. And if there was...it was not MJ. Wanna mess! Too many inconsistencies today!!  :roll:
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bec

Re: TIAI 1/06
January 05, 2011, 11:44:28 PM
Quote from: "Yambo3003"
I don't think there was a body or someone playing *dead* in the ambulance. The EMT's would have notice it quickly. And if there was...it was not MJ. Wanna mess! Too many inconsistencies today!!  :roll:

The counter theory is that the EMTs are in on it which is prob most likely of all considering the 911 call almost certainly has to be fake and real emts don't come when you call the fake 911, lol.

*I think* for what that's worth, that the EMTs are in on it and the body is a dummy and the ambulance pic is real because its the MJ mannequin from the Leave Me Alone Video.
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Re: TIAI 1/06
January 05, 2011, 11:54:52 PM
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I don't think there was a body or someone playing *dead* in the ambulance. The EMT's would have notice it quickly. And if there was...it was not MJ. Wanna mess! Too many inconsistencies today!!  :roll:

The counter theory is that the EMTs are in on it which is prob most likely of all considering the 911 call almost certainly has to be fake and real emts don't come when you call the fake 911, lol.

*I think* for what that's worth, that the EMTs are in on it and the body is a dummy and the ambulance pic is real because its the MJ mannequin from the Leave Me Alone Video.

That makes perfect sense. I''ve not seen that video that much (Leave Me Alone). I will in order to see the mannequin. They could have also made a new mannequin, you know...an update version. Just a thought!  :)
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Re: TIAI 1/06
January 06, 2011, 12:03:34 AM
So there was a body there but it didn't belong to Michael. But also Twiggy posted that today at the court, MJ's laying on the floor pictures were shown. Probably fake ones like the ambulance picture. And I remember something like there was a body which was already dead and they kept the air conditioner open to keep the body warm.
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Re: TIAI 1/06
January 06, 2011, 12:07:17 AM
Quote from: "bec"
Quote from: "Yambo3003"
I don't think there was a body or someone playing *dead* in the ambulance. The EMT's would have notice it quickly. And if there was...it was not MJ. Wanna mess! Too many inconsistencies today!!  :roll:

The counter theory is that the EMTs are in on it which is prob most likely of all considering the 911 call almost certainly has to be fake and real emts don't come when you call the fake 911, lol.

*I think* for what that's worth, that the EMTs are in on it and the body is a dummy and the ambulance pic is real because its the MJ mannequin from the Leave Me Alone Video.

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Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:41 am
As for the corpse remember the story of Michael contacting the German doctor who does the human body Plastination?

Michael Jackson set to be embalmed at the O2 Centre after missing the deadline for cryogenic freezing
By Daily Mail Reporter Created 3:07 PM on 26th June 2009
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Now the previous story was full of untruths but maybe it's intention was to lead us to the corpse...

German doctor selling human body parts from his lab/museum
Jun 1, 2010  by Laura Trowbridge
Doctor Gunther von Hagens, known as Germany's 'Dr Death', has a new mail order store for anyone wanting to buy body parts.

The world's leading anatomist Dr von Hagens "invented Plastination at the University of Heidelberg in 1977, developed the use of plastinated specimens for medical education and preservation, and established the International Society for Plastination. More than 400 universities in 40 countries utilize Dr. Gunther von Hagens’ preservation technique in their curriculum."

Plastination is the process which preserves the bodies of both people and animals, replacing body fluids with hardened silicon.

According to Sky News, Dr von Hagen is now selling body parts from his Plastinarium in Guben, Germany.

There are all sorts of human body parts for sale. A cross section of a human body sells from £100 to £14,000. Animal body parts are also for sale.

The Plastinarium opened in 2006, but closed two years later for "refurbishment". However, Sky News reports that the project came under religious groups' heavy criticism before reopening just recently.

Religious leaders describe von Hagens' work as "voyeuristic". One priest called it a "sublime form of cannibalism, which violates human dignity."

Dr von Hagens argues that his work is educational and promotes better health, and he is doing nothing wrong because "corpses have no souls".

His bodies come from donors who agree that he can plastinate their bodies after they die.

His Body Worlds exhibits have been seen all over the world.
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What if Michael did contact Dr von Hagens but not to discuss being Plastinated but actually met with him to procure a body or bodies for the hoax. This man has access to all kinds of corpses.

I also remember the old clue giver JCC saying "Germany is key" or something like that.
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