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Re: TIAI 1/06
January 06, 2011, 12:08:04 AM
The one handed CPR by Murray. The one handed CPR in ambulance. The one handed man in HMH video. I'm trying to get the meaning here. Does it allude to sleight of hand like a magician. Not letting your right hand know what your left hand is doing?  Like losing your right hand? Who does one handed CPR? Even with babies it's with index and forefingers of both hands.
In the case of a decoy body, how illegal would it be if the deceased had changed  names by deed poll. Michael Jackson is not a rare name. Just thinking out loud. I have never thought there was another body, but those paramedics testifying that they didn't recognize the deceased as being THE Michael Jackson is causing me to at least entertain some differing scenarios in  my hoax assumptions. It doesn't seem plausable that there was another body, but that would mean there are a lot of people in on the hoax.
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Re: TIAI 1/06
January 06, 2011, 12:13:07 AM
Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
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Quote from: "Yambo3003"
I don't think there was a body or someone playing *dead* in the ambulance. The EMT's would have notice it quickly. And if there was...it was not MJ. Wanna mess! Too many inconsistencies today!!  :roll:

The counter theory is that the EMTs are in on it which is prob most likely of all considering the 911 call almost certainly has to be fake and real emts don't come when you call the fake 911, lol.

*I think* for what that's worth, that the EMTs are in on it and the body is a dummy and the ambulance pic is real because its the MJ mannequin from the Leave Me Alone Video.

Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:41 am
As for the corpse remember the story of Michael contacting the German doctor who does the human body Plastination?

Michael Jackson set to be embalmed at the O2 Centre after missing the deadline for cryogenic freezing
By Daily Mail Reporter Created 3:07 PM on 26th June 2009
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Now the previous story was full of untruths but maybe it's intention was to lead us to the corpse...

German doctor selling human body parts from his lab/museum
Jun 1, 2010  by Laura Trowbridge
Doctor Gunther von Hagens, known as Germany's 'Dr Death', has a new mail order store for anyone wanting to buy body parts.

The world's leading anatomist Dr von Hagens "invented Plastination at the University of Heidelberg in 1977, developed the use of plastinated specimens for medical education and preservation, and established the International Society for Plastination. More than 400 universities in 40 countries utilize Dr. Gunther von Hagens’ preservation technique in their curriculum."

Plastination is the process which preserves the bodies of both people and animals, replacing body fluids with hardened silicon.

According to Sky News, Dr von Hagen is now selling body parts from his Plastinarium in Guben, Germany.

There are all sorts of human body parts for sale. A cross section of a human body sells from £100 to £14,000. Animal body parts are also for sale.

The Plastinarium opened in 2006, but closed two years later for "refurbishment". However, Sky News reports that the project came under religious groups' heavy criticism before reopening just recently.

Religious leaders describe von Hagens' work as "voyeuristic". One priest called it a "sublime form of cannibalism, which violates human dignity."

Dr von Hagens argues that his work is educational and promotes better health, and he is doing nothing wrong because "corpses have no souls".

His bodies come from donors who agree that he can plastinate their bodies after they die.

His Body Worlds exhibits have been seen all over the world.
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What if Michael did contact Dr von Hagens but not to discuss being Plastinated but actually met with him to procure a body or bodies for the hoax. This man has access to all kinds of corpses.

I also remember the old clue giver JCC saying "Germany is key" or something like that.

Pretty sure you'd have to have some major licensing to obtain one of these, and it's still a human body, even if a private person could obtain one, I can't imagine that's even close to legal to try and use one of these things to fool a set of real EMTs, ie send it on Weekend At Burnie's style walk about unescorted without proper paperwork and documentation.

I'm using total speculation to render that one implausible.

Ps. A hunch says MJ started this rumor that he contacted this guy about being plastinated. Betcha a million dollar it's MJ made up BS for the media.
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Re: TIAI 1/06
January 06, 2011, 12:17:23 AM
Quote from: "bec"
Pretty sure you'd have to have some major licensing to obtain one of these, and it's still a human body, even if a private person could obtain one, I can't imagine that's even close to legal to try and use one of these things to fool a set of real EMTs, ie send it on Weekend At Burnie's style walk about unescorted with proper paperwork and documentation.

Total speculation to render that one implausible.

Ps. A hunch says MJ started this rumor that he contacted this guy about being plastinated. Betcha a million dollar it's MJ made up BS for the media.
I didn't mean a plastinated body, I meant an unplastinated one. Before it had been plastinated. Maybe refrigerated hence the room being so warm, in summer, to heat it back up.

Now I am just going off on tangents here.

Everything on this entire forum is speculation.
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Re: TIAI 1/06
January 06, 2011, 12:29:19 AM
Quote from: "bec"
Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
Quote from: "bec"
Quote from: "Yambo3003"
I don't think there was a body or someone playing *dead* in the ambulance. The EMT's would have notice it quickly. And if there was...it was not MJ. Wanna mess! Too many inconsistencies today!!  :roll:

The counter theory is that the EMTs are in on it which is prob most likely of all considering the 911 call almost certainly has to be fake and real emts don't come when you call the fake 911, lol.

*I think* for what that's worth, that the EMTs are in on it and the body is a dummy and the ambulance pic is real because its the MJ mannequin from the Leave Me Alone Video.

Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:41 am
As for the corpse remember the story of Michael contacting the German doctor who does the human body Plastination?

Michael Jackson set to be embalmed at the O2 Centre after missing the deadline for cryogenic freezing
By Daily Mail Reporter Created 3:07 PM on 26th June 2009
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Now the previous story was full of untruths but maybe it's intention was to lead us to the corpse...

German doctor selling human body parts from his lab/museum
Jun 1, 2010  by Laura Trowbridge
Doctor Gunther von Hagens, known as Germany's 'Dr Death', has a new mail order store for anyone wanting to buy body parts.

The world's leading anatomist Dr von Hagens "invented Plastination at the University of Heidelberg in 1977, developed the use of plastinated specimens for medical education and preservation, and established the International Society for Plastination. More than 400 universities in 40 countries utilize Dr. Gunther von Hagens’ preservation technique in their curriculum."

Plastination is the process which preserves the bodies of both people and animals, replacing body fluids with hardened silicon.

According to Sky News, Dr von Hagen is now selling body parts from his Plastinarium in Guben, Germany.

There are all sorts of human body parts for sale. A cross section of a human body sells from £100 to £14,000. Animal body parts are also for sale.

The Plastinarium opened in 2006, but closed two years later for "refurbishment". However, Sky News reports that the project came under religious groups' heavy criticism before reopening just recently.

Religious leaders describe von Hagens' work as "voyeuristic". One priest called it a "sublime form of cannibalism, which violates human dignity."

Dr von Hagens argues that his work is educational and promotes better health, and he is doing nothing wrong because "corpses have no souls".

His bodies come from donors who agree that he can plastinate their bodies after they die.

His Body Worlds exhibits have been seen all over the world.
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What if Michael did contact Dr von Hagens but not to discuss being Plastinated but actually met with him to procure a body or bodies for the hoax. This man has access to all kinds of corpses.

I also remember the old clue giver JCC saying "Germany is key" or something like that.

Pretty sure you'd have to have some major licensing to obtain one of these, and it's still a human body, even if a private person could obtain one, I can't imagine that's even close to legal to try and use one of these things to fool a set of real EMTs, ie send it on Weekend At Burnie's style walk about unescorted without proper paperwork and documentation.

I'm using total speculation to render that one implausible.

Ps. A hunch says MJ started this rumor that he contacted this guy about being plastinated. Betcha a million dollar it's MJ made up BS for the media.


I think this is too risky and disrespectful. The mannequin theory sounds better or the EMT's being part of the hoax. Just my opinion.
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Re: TIAI 1/06
January 06, 2011, 12:29:59 AM
Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
Quote from: "bec"
Pretty sure you'd have to have some major licensing to obtain one of these, and it's still a human body, even if a private person could obtain one, I can't imagine that's even close to legal to try and use one of these things to fool a set of real EMTs, ie send it on Weekend At Burnie's style walk about unescorted with proper paperwork and documentation.

Total speculation to render that one implausible.

Ps. A hunch says MJ started this rumor that he contacted this guy about being plastinated. Betcha a million dollar it's MJ made up BS for the media.
I didn't mean a plastinated body, I meant an unplastinated one. Before it had been plastinated. Maybe refrigerated hence the room being so warm, in summer, to heat it back up.

Now I am just going off on tangents here.

Everything on this entire forum is speculation.

You're completely right. I actually meant "I'm using total speculation to render that one implausible", which is why I edited it. I wrote it in a conversational sense and it didn't come across in type properly.

Even with your correction to a body donated for plastination is in my opinion cumbersome for the hoax and implausible. It's also super macabre with someone else's body which is not really the PR thing he seems to be going for in all this.
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Re: TIAI 1/06
January 06, 2011, 12:30:38 AM
Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
Quote from: "bec"
Pretty sure you'd have to have some major licensing to obtain one of these, and it's still a human body, even if a private person could obtain one, I can't imagine that's even close to legal to try and use one of these things to fool a set of real EMTs, ie send it on Weekend At Burnie's style walk about unescorted with proper paperwork and documentation.

Total speculation to render that one implausible.

Ps. A hunch says MJ started this rumor that he contacted this guy about being plastinated. Betcha a million dollar it's MJ made up BS for the media.
I didn't mean a plastinated body, I meant an unplastinated one. Before it had been plastinated. Maybe refrigerated hence the room being so warm, in summer, to heat it back up.

Now I am just going off on tangents here.

Everything on this entire forum is speculation.

Using a body of another person like this is a crime.

Any chance of the body being a wax doll? ANOTHER Elvis parallell? At this point it wouldn't surprises me.
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Re: TIAI 1/06
January 06, 2011, 12:32:53 AM
Quote from: "brunob12"
Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
Quote from: "bec"
Pretty sure you'd have to have some major licensing to obtain one of these, and it's still a human body, even if a private person could obtain one, I can't imagine that's even close to legal to try and use one of these things to fool a set of real EMTs, ie send it on Weekend At Burnie's style walk about unescorted with proper paperwork and documentation.

Total speculation to render that one implausible.

Ps. A hunch says MJ started this rumor that he contacted this guy about being plastinated. Betcha a million dollar it's MJ made up BS for the media.
I didn't mean a plastinated body, I meant an unplastinated one. Before it had been plastinated. Maybe refrigerated hence the room being so warm, in summer, to heat it back up.

Now I am just going off on tangents here.

Everything on this entire forum is speculation.

Using a body of another person like this is a crime.

Any chance of the body being a wax doll? ANOTHER Elvis parallell? At this point it didn't surprises me.

Yes of course. Plenty of MJ wax figures around. And then the Lou Feregno statement shortl;y after 6/25 saying MJ liked to fool people by sending mannequins off in ambulances. You don't say Lou? I like the dummy theory more n more, but it does cancel out the sits up on stretcher pics as fake then doesn't it.

Bummer.

 :lol:
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Re: TIAI 1/06
January 06, 2011, 12:46:29 AM
Quote from: "brunob12"
Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
Quote from: "bec"
Pretty sure you'd have to have some major licensing to obtain one of these, and it's still a human body, even if a private person could obtain one, I can't imagine that's even close to legal to try and use one of these things to fool a set of real EMTs, ie send it on Weekend At Burnie's style walk about unescorted with proper paperwork and documentation.

Total speculation to render that one implausible.

Ps. A hunch says MJ started this rumor that he contacted this guy about being plastinated. Betcha a million dollar it's MJ made up BS for the media.
I didn't mean a plastinated body, I meant an unplastinated one. Before it had been plastinated. Maybe refrigerated hence the room being so warm, in summer, to heat it back up.

Now I am just going off on tangents here.

Everything on this entire forum is speculation.

Using a body of another person like this is a crime.

How is it a crime?

The person isn't murdered or anything, they already died and donated their body to this Doctor.
The body could have been returned to him after the autopsy and then plastinated.
No one would ever know.

Quote
TIAI Update #5b: DO you Think 4 your Self?
In all three of these cases (9-9-09, Halloween, and January): there was a realistic possibility of a bam—and especially the last two. Nevertheless, even though there was no bam, there were significant events which fit very well with the three “R” ratings. The 9-9-09 “Resurrection”: movie poster, movie 7 weeks later, and autopsy finalized (you need a dead body for an autopsy,[/color] so no resurrection until finalized).

So how else do you get a body for an autopsy then?
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Re: TIAI 1/06
January 06, 2011, 01:07:24 AM
Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
Quote from: "brunob12"
Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
Quote from: "bec"
Pretty sure you'd have to have some major licensing to obtain one of these, and it's still a human body, even if a private person could obtain one, I can't imagine that's even close to legal to try and use one of these things to fool a set of real EMTs, ie send it on Weekend At Burnie's style walk about unescorted with proper paperwork and documentation.

Total speculation to render that one implausible.

Ps. A hunch says MJ started this rumor that he contacted this guy about being plastinated. Betcha a million dollar it's MJ made up BS for the media.
I didn't mean a plastinated body, I meant an unplastinated one. Before it had been plastinated. Maybe refrigerated hence the room being so warm, in summer, to heat it back up.

Now I am just going off on tangents here.

Everything on this entire forum is speculation.

Using a body of another person like this is a crime.

How is it a crime?

The person isn't murdered or anything, they already died and donated their body to this Doctor.
The body could have been returned to him after the autopsy and then plastinated.
No one would ever know.

Quote
TIAI Update #5b: DO you Think 4 your Self?
In all three of these cases (9-9-09, Halloween, and January): there was a realistic possibility of a bam—and especially the last two. Nevertheless, even though there was no bam, there were significant events which fit very well with the three “R” ratings. The 9-9-09 “Resurrection”: movie poster, movie 7 weeks later, and autopsy finalized (you need a dead body for an autopsy,[/color] so no resurrection until finalized).

So how else do you get a body for an autopsy then?

One thing is to donate the body for academic purposes or whatever it is. The person/instituition is responsible for it, but it's not owner of it, doing whatever they want with it. They couldn't just borrow the body for MJ for a while to do whatever he had to do.

I don't know about the laws of USA, but I'm pretty sure that if I get a body from my university (who is there for academic purposes) to do whatever I need, I'll be in serious trouble. Legal trouble.

Well, who knows from wich body the autopsy came? It could be fake. I even remember someone here saying that could be the body of a dog. It could be lots of things. We will continue speculating until the truth comes out.
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Re: TIAI 1/06
January 06, 2011, 01:22:41 AM
Can I just ask who is this Twiggy person who is suddenly being quoted all over the place?
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Re: TIAI 1/06
January 06, 2011, 01:24:13 AM
Wouldn't they say if it was a fake body (wax figure)?
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Re: TIAI 1/06
January 06, 2011, 03:48:50 AM
]I see this redirect as assurance to us that all is o.k.   .............................as if to tell us dont worry,i know there is a lot of doubt about,but i am telling you with this redirect............THERE WAS NO BODY........I AM O.K...............DONT WORRY xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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January 06, 2011, 04:01:07 AM
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]I see this redirect as assurance to us that all is o.k.   .............................as if to tell us dont worry,i know there is a lot of doubt about,but i am telling you with this redirect............THERE WAS NO BODY........I AM O.K...............DONT WORRY xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

agreed
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Re: TIAI 1/06
January 06, 2011, 04:45:31 AM
Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
Quote from: "bec"
Quote from: "Yambo3003"
I don't think there was a body or someone playing *dead* in the ambulance. The EMT's would have notice it quickly. And if there was...it was not MJ. Wanna mess! Too many inconsistencies today!!  :roll:

The counter theory is that the EMTs are in on it which is prob most likely of all considering the 911 call almost certainly has to be fake and real emts don't come when you call the fake 911, lol.

*I think* for what that's worth, that the EMTs are in on it and the body is a dummy and the ambulance pic is real because its the MJ mannequin from the Leave Me Alone Video.

Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:41 am
As for the corpse remember the story of Michael contacting the German doctor who does the human body Plastination?

Michael Jackson set to be embalmed at the O2 Centre after missing the deadline for cryogenic freezing
By Daily Mail Reporter Created 3:07 PM on 26th June 2009
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Now the previous story was full of untruths but maybe it's intention was to lead us to the corpse...

German doctor selling human body parts from his lab/museum
Jun 1, 2010  by Laura Trowbridge
Doctor Gunther von Hagens, known as Germany's 'Dr Death', has a new mail order store for anyone wanting to buy body parts.

The world's leading anatomist Dr von Hagens "invented Plastination at the University of Heidelberg in 1977, developed the use of plastinated specimens for medical education and preservation, and established the International Society for Plastination. More than 400 universities in 40 countries utilize Dr. Gunther von Hagens’ preservation technique in their curriculum."

Plastination is the process which preserves the bodies of both people and animals, replacing body fluids with hardened silicon.

According to Sky News, Dr von Hagen is now selling body parts from his Plastinarium in Guben, Germany.

There are all sorts of human body parts for sale. A cross section of a human body sells from £100 to £14,000. Animal body parts are also for sale.

The Plastinarium opened in 2006, but closed two years later for "refurbishment". However, Sky News reports that the project came under religious groups' heavy criticism before reopening just recently.

Religious leaders describe von Hagens' work as "voyeuristic". One priest called it a "sublime form of cannibalism, which violates human dignity."

Dr von Hagens argues that his work is educational and promotes better health, and he is doing nothing wrong because "corpses have no souls".

His bodies come from donors who agree that he can plastinate their bodies after they die.

His Body Worlds exhibits have been seen all over the world.
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

What if Michael did contact Dr von Hagens but not to discuss being Plastinated but actually met with him to procure a body or bodies for the hoax. This man has access to all kinds of corpses.

I also remember the old clue giver JCC saying "Germany is key" or something like that.
If Michael really needed a corpse then all he had to do is contact any of his trusted doctors not some strange doctor in a different country in a different continent!!!!!! Makes sense, right?????
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Re: TIAI 1/06
January 06, 2011, 06:00:04 AM
Quote from: "loyalfan"
]I see this redirect as assurance to us that all is o.k.   .............................as if to tell us dont worry,i know there is a lot of doubt about,but i am telling you with this redirect............THERE WAS NO BODY........I AM O.K...............DONT WORRY xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

I agree with you loyalfan.  I remember in one of Last Seven Word's videos the words NOBODY and NO BODY kept flashing on the screen.  It's all smoke and mirrors and illusion ... and we'll be kept guessing right up until the very end ;)
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