New Version Ambulance Pic on the net, ZOOM OUT

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New Version Ambulance Pic on the net, ZOOM OUT

  • on: January 08, 2011, 02:25:47 AM
So I was reading where the EMT testified that MJ looked like a hospice patient which is so obviously BS considering the famous ambulance pic that I decided to post that as proof that the statement is complete hogwash but I no longer have the old ambulance pic from 2009 saved on my PC. So off to Google images I went.

http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&biw= ... =&gs_rfai=

Take a look. There's a new version of the ambulance pic suddenly and silently making it's appearance on the net... and seems to be taking the place of the old one in search results.

I had to go to message boards and forums to find the old pic...

For comparison, here's the old pic, posted on this message board http://www.lipstickalley.com/f227/micha ... ke-220197/


And the full new version available that I haven't noticed before today, found here: http://theuniversalseduction.com/articl ... ray-nailed


but as you see, there are many smaller, cropped versions floating around the net at other sites..

For comparison, the old cropped version:


and 3 random versions of new crops on the net now:




I noticed that not only is the new version cropped OUT, more generous, (even the smaller versions) shows us more of what's going on in the scene, especially to the left and bottom, but also that the pic is more clearly in focus/better quality then the original.

You can clearly see MJ is on a red back board. The IV clip forms a 7 and the surgical tape forms a 9. It's interesting in retrospect that neither EMT appear to be actually doing anything except sitting there, dare I say "posing". The bag isn't depressed at all and the guy doing "cpr" isn't even doing cpr at all. He has one hand on MJs chest and appears to be either missing the entire left side of his body or is craning to look in the direction of the back window.

So the answer is why? Why is the pic zoomed out now and why is it clearer? I guess I already know the answer to both of those questions, I just find it hair-stand-up-on your-neck creepy to discover it, and wanted to share.

BUT. This discovery reminds me of something. Who was it that told us recently to ZOOM OUT? Look at the bigger picture. Was it Conrad Murray Twitter? Or TS? Someone... who was it?  It was about the time of the Michael Album cover art release and the Oprah episodes. Anyone remember who suggested we Zoom Out?
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Re: New Version Ambulance Pic on the net, ZOOM OUT

  • on: January 08, 2011, 02:35:10 AM
Hi Bec,
Thought Michael was already dead by the time the paramedics got to the scene? He certainly doesn't look dead in this picture does he? Also, didn't Murray instruct these guys to cover Michael's face with a towel so that he couldn't be photographed??

Thank you for posting the new pic..You can tell it is a lot clearer then the old one..Very interesting.
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Re: New Version Ambulance Pic on the net, ZOOM OUT

  • on: January 08, 2011, 02:37:43 AM
Murray said it on twitter. That twitt dissappeared. He said it on 8th November when the Oprah show aired.

He said "Step back and look at the bigger picture". But I say he was referring really metaphorically. Not to look at a picture literarily. But at the "picture"- which is the situation.
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Re: New Version Ambulance Pic on the net, ZOOM OUT

  • on: January 08, 2011, 02:48:06 AM
Ifound something weird. Does this look strange to anyone else? This is part of the pic we have never seen before. Does it look to anyone else like this MJ has no right arm?

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Re: New Version Ambulance Pic on the net, ZOOM OUT

  • on: January 08, 2011, 02:49:25 AM
Quote from: "_Anna_"
Murray said it on twitter. That twitt dissappeared. He said it on 8th November when the Oprah show aired.

He said "Step back and look at the bigger picture". But I say he was referring really metaphorically. Not to look at a picture literarily. But at the "picture"- which is the situation.

Ok, that's good info, I knew something he tweeted around that time had been deleted since.

But someone said zoom out. Specifically, "zoom out".
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Re: New Version Ambulance Pic on the net, ZOOM OUT

  • on: January 08, 2011, 02:52:40 AM
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Hi Bec,
Thought Michael was already dead by the time the paramedics got to the scene? He certainly doesn't look dead in this picture does he? Also, didn't Murray instruct these guys to cover Michael's face with a towel so that he couldn't be photographed??

Thank you for posting the new pic..You can tell it is a lot clearer then the old one..Very interesting.

They would remove any towels from his face once the ambulance doors were closed so they could work on him so that explains why his face is uncovered. And luckily too, or else we'd never have any "proof" that MJ was "dead" lol.

No he doesn't look dead at all does he. Nor does he look 50 for that matter. He looks fantastic, young, and darker complected then TII MJ.
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Re: New Version Ambulance Pic on the net, ZOOM OUT

  • on: January 08, 2011, 02:58:34 AM


What has always bothered me about this image....and I have not read anywhere were it was discussed is his nose....it looks like it has bubbles of flesh on it.
Can anyone explain that to me?
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Re: New Version Ambulance Pic on the net, ZOOM OUT

  • on: January 08, 2011, 02:59:09 AM
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No he doesn't look dead at all does he. Nor does he look 50 for that matter. He looks fantastic, young, and darker complected then TII MJ.

And clean shaven! Someone mentioned this last night, so sorry I can't remember who it was to give them credit. Not like my husband looks after a long sleepless night!
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Re: New Version Ambulance Pic on the net, ZOOM OUT

  • on: January 08, 2011, 03:03:34 AM
It's got to be a dummy.

This guy's nose looks kinda like that. Guy on the left that is... and he might not even have needed to have a left arm for this film  :lol:
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Re: New Version Ambulance Pic on the net, ZOOM OUT

  • on: January 08, 2011, 03:05:50 AM
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It's got to be a dummy.

My thoughts exactly!
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Re: New Version Ambulance Pic on the net, ZOOM OUT

  • on: January 08, 2011, 03:19:47 AM
And EMTs didn't recognize THAT person as Michael Jackson? What rock had they been hiding under?  

Lies...nothing but lies. The picture is a lie, the media reports are lies, the witness testimony reports are lies.  Every time they open their mouths they're telling lies.

I'm tired of lies.
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Re: New Version Ambulance Pic on the net, ZOOM OUT

  • on: January 08, 2011, 03:20:18 AM
WOW!  :o
I don't see an arm there!!! Looks like a wax dummy to me....
Furthermore, I can tell you that there is something strange about the hair that I can't put my
finger on....
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Re: New Version Ambulance Pic on the net, ZOOM OUT

  • on: January 08, 2011, 03:30:44 AM
The hair looks too long to me!
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Re: New Version Ambulance Pic on the net, ZOOM OUT

  • on: January 08, 2011, 04:13:22 AM
Anna, thanks for finding those pictures....they certainly tell another story.

This is definitely not Michael Jackson, but could be Dimitriou D. who was terminally ill, and was on Diprivan.  
I can't see Michael in those pics at all.........this is DD
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Re: New Version Ambulance Pic on the net, ZOOM OUT

  • on: January 08, 2011, 04:32:08 AM
What about this comparison.   Even with just a eyebrow pluck, there is amazing similarities to this guy that supposedly was at respite care at Carolwood Dve under the care of Murray....the terminally ill-patient that died in place of MJ...
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Re: New Version Ambulance Pic on the net, ZOOM OUT

  • on: January 08, 2011, 04:58:53 AM
A little off topic here but you do realize that you can not predict the exact date a terminally ill patient will die, right. So if a real body was used in any of this, the person would have had to die before June 25, 2009 to fit into the numerology of the hoax.

Otherwise, they would have to be an assisted suicide. I don't know what the laws are regarding that in California but Michael is a very religious person and suicide is considered a sin even for the terminally ill. Aiding someone in suicide, from a religious standpoint, is murder.

So either the "death" date is by coincidence and Michael sat around waiting for this person to die, to start his death hoax and that just so happened to occur on June 25, 2009. This seems pretty selfish no matter what the reasons may be for the hoax; lacking in compassion even. And If this is the case then there is no numerology involved at all.

Another problem with this is that Michael told Kenny Ortega that the illusion was starting on June 25. Michael would not have known that his terminally ill look-a-like was going to die the next morning. The double would have already had to pass away but again that negates the numerology. There would have been no guarantee that any ill person would pass away on or before June 25, 2009 so the date could not have been chosen ahead of time.

To me that picture looks like a much younger Michael. I think it is a photoshop or a dummy in a controlled environment and no picture of the inside of the ambulance was even taken on June 25, 2009. We can't see the paramedics faces so we can not identify them either and that is probably for good reasons.
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Re: New Version Ambulance Pic on the net, ZOOM OUT

  • on: January 08, 2011, 05:26:07 AM
EXCELLENT bec, thank you!

Look, in the second new picture, there is a closed bag around this emergency kit in front of the left leg of the EMT.
In the first old picture, the bag is open, yet the posing of all three persons is the same.
We knew there were several shots of the picture (different shadows mirrored) but this is definite proof that nothing changed in the vehicle despite opening the (canvas?) bag for use of the kit (or "active" ambience).
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Re: New Version Ambulance Pic on the net, ZOOM OUT

  • on: January 08, 2011, 06:11:01 AM
It could be a good idea to look at that picture again. We can clearly see the 2 pics are different, because on the first we can't see the thumb of the EMT 'performing CPR' and on the second one we do see his thumb.

It was also reported that the body was bald, yet we see hair on here. Putting on the wig doesn't make sense, but even if the would have, let's assume that ridiculous story is true, did the also glued on side burns? Or did the body have no hair but only side burns? :?
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Re: New Version Ambulance Pic on the net, ZOOM OUT

  • on: January 08, 2011, 06:13:43 AM
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A little off topic here but you do realize that you can not predict the exact date a terminally ill patient will die, right. So if a real body was used in any of this, the person would have had to die before June 25, 2009 to fit into the numerology of the hoax.

Otherwise, they would have to be an assisted suicide. I don't know what the laws are regarding that in California but Michael is a very religious person and suicide is considered a sin even for the terminally ill. Aiding someone in suicide, from a religious standpoint, is murder.

So either the "death" date is by coincidence and Michael sat around waiting for this person to die, to start his death hoax and that just so happened to occur on June 25, 2009. This seems pretty selfish no matter what the reasons may be for the hoax; lacking in compassion even. And If this is the case then there is no numerology involved at all.

Another problem with this is that Michael told Kenny Ortega that the illusion was starting on June 25. Michael would not have known that his terminally ill look-a-like was going to die the next morning. The double would have already had to pass away but again that negates the numerology. There would have been no guarantee that any ill person would pass away on or before June 25, 2009 so the date could not have been chosen ahead of time.

To me that picture looks like a much younger Michael. I think it is a photoshop or a dummy in a controlled environment and no picture of the inside of the ambulance was even taken on June 25, 2009. We can't see the paramedics faces so we can not identify them either and that is probably for good reasons.

I believe that the ambu pic could be staged or shopped.
The body could ve been dead days in advance and kept untill the 25th. The room temperature was high, in June, and the room looked like a hospital.

I thought also about euthanasia.
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Re: New Version Ambulance Pic on the net, ZOOM OUT

  • on: January 08, 2011, 06:29:58 AM
HOW in the world can this photo,POSSIBLY BE A WITHERED OLD MAN as was stated by the paramedic...............................AND HOW IS THAT NOT MICHAEL ANYWAYS ....................how much more do we need to be told by michael before we see.........................xxxx




and also that they did not realize it was MJ, and thought it looked like an old man?
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Re: New Version Ambulance Pic on the net, ZOOM OUT

  • on: January 08, 2011, 06:41:48 AM
I have huge problems with the idea of someone dying on or before 25th and the use of the corpse in this whole thing. I know that doesn't mean it may not have happened but personally I feel that's overstepping the mark of decency and respect, and MJ would have to come up with a darned good reason for doing it in order for me to feel comfortable with it.

I'm pretty sure he could've made all this happen without resorting to such macabre, gruesome plans, so, until I learn otherwise, I'm going with the (much simpler, IMO) dummy and actors scenario and wouldn't be surprised if nothing at all happened in MJ's bedroom on the morning of 25th June, other than he got up and headed out to the airport, leaving his well briefed cast to start the show. Or alternatively, he slipped on his Murray suit, got the dummy out of the cupboard and made a few phone calls to strategic players to say 'action'!
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Re: New Version Ambulance Pic on the net, ZOOM OUT

  • on: January 08, 2011, 06:51:22 AM
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Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
A little off topic here but you do realize that you can not predict the exact date a terminally ill patient will die, right. So if a real body was used in any of this, the person would have had to die before June 25, 2009 to fit into the numerology of the hoax.

Otherwise, they would have to be an assisted suicide. I don't know what the laws are regarding that in California but Michael is a very religious person and suicide is considered a sin even for the terminally ill. Aiding someone in suicide, from a religious standpoint, is murder.

So either the "death" date is by coincidence and Michael sat around waiting for this person to die, to start his death hoax and that just so happened to occur on June 25, 2009. This seems pretty selfish no matter what the reasons may be for the hoax; lacking in compassion even. And If this is the case then there is no numerology involved at all.

Another problem with this is that Michael told Kenny Ortega that the illusion was starting on June 25. Michael would not have known that his terminally ill look-a-like was going to die the next morning. The double would have already had to pass away but again that negates the numerology. There would have been no guarantee that any ill person would pass away on or before June 25, 2009 so the date could not have been chosen ahead of time.

To me that picture looks like a much younger Michael. I think it is a photoshop or a dummy in a controlled environment and no picture of the inside of the ambulance was even taken on June 25, 2009. We can't see the paramedics faces so we can not identify them either and that is probably for good reasons.

I believe that the ambu pic could be staged or shopped.
The body could ve been dead days in advance and kept untill the 25th. The room temperature was high, in June, and the room looked like a hospital.

I thought also about euthanasia.

Thanks Gema, and thanks Serenity.  I have a strong feeling about the look-a-alike theory that had died with his family the night before, and then tranferred to MJ home, and kept at a high room  temperature to ensure the body seemed like it had died for a few hours.......

It was Dimitriou and his family that chose to have him euthanased, not MJ.  The family could have been compensated well in advance, and sick as it sounds, its amazing what some people would do to help others at the right price.  The man was terminally ill and wanted to die......that is his right, and Murray could have been involved in that part, as witnesses say he was seen running away from Carolwood Dve that morning....
1.  Ben Evenstad's famous quotes.." That day and the other day"
2.  The body had been dead for some time......according to the paramedics..
And the paramedics are in court and can't lie about a wax dummy either....

So I feel, it is possible the it was Dimitriou....and the coroners who performed the autopsy, have also sworn on the bible in court..........

The numerology part of it is something that had to be planned in advance.

How would illuminous theo have known so much about this??????
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Re: New Version Ambulance Pic on the net, ZOOM OUT

  • on: January 08, 2011, 07:44:34 AM
The said above is completely contradicting any "planned hoax" theory and the dots we have witnessed to date.
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Re: New Version Ambulance Pic on the net, ZOOM OUT

  • on: January 08, 2011, 09:42:43 AM
I believe that the ambu pic could be staged or shopped.
The body could ve been dead days in advance and kept untill the 25th. The room temperature was high, in June, and the room looked like a hospital.

I thought also about euthanasia.



This is a good point but the problem with that is if the body was kept in this warm atmosphere for few days it would deteriorate very quickly and begin to smell!  Even if a body was kept cold and them warmed up it would take a very long time to warm up the core temperature.  It just doesn't make sense.
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Re: New Version Ambulance Pic on the net, ZOOM OUT

  • on: January 08, 2011, 10:18:48 AM
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I believe that the ambu pic could be staged or shopped.
The body could ve been dead days in advance and kept untill the 25th. The room temperature was high, in June, and the room looked like a hospital.

I thought also about euthanasia.



This is a good point but the problem with that is if the body was kept in this warm atmosphere for few days it would deteriorate very quickly and begin to smell!  Even if a body was kept cold and them warmed up it would take a very long time to warm up the core temperature.  It just doesn't make sense.

The body could have been kept cold, not frozen.

Under normal temperature, rigor mortis usually occurs within 3-4 hours after clinical death.
Maximum stiffness is reached around 12-24 hours post mortem (after the death).
Depending on temperature and other conditions, rigor mortis lasts approximately 72 hours and starts fading after 12 hours.

The body was cold but the room was warm as they reported, the body was at "room temperature". Under normal conditions the body equals the room temperature after 24 hours.

If the body died hours before as they are saying, the body should have had signs of rigor mortis already...or being on the way.

The body, if died before, should have been with days in advance, after the rigor mortis fades.
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