So far for CNN's 'credibility' - No Dr's confirm. on death

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Soooooooo..... CNN claims they only report deaths if they have confirmation from a doctor, at least that was told in the Situation Room on June 25 when they explained why it took so long before reporting MJ's death. But just now CNN reported this:

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SamFeistCNN Sam Feist
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CNN confirms that Gabrielle Giffords has died.
35 minutes ago
http://twitter.com/#!/SamFeistCNN/statu ... 8538959873

And after a while we got this:

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SamFeistCNN Sam Feist
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Rep. Giffords' local press secretary tells CNN that she is still in surgery. Law enforcement sources say she has died.
22 minutes ago
http://twitter.com/#!/SamFeistCNN/statu ... 1800269824

This means they did NOT have the confirmation on Giffords death from a doctor and I think it's safe to assume that they just copied and pasted TMZ on MJ's death after almost an hour because everyone did. So far for CNN being reliable and reporting deaths only after doctor's confirmation.
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Good point!
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Excellent observation!
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Okay, here's something very strange.  This is the gunman's alleged Youtube page, or at least it's a page that bears his name and some very odd videos.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10 ... 8Wr6AeZTCE

What really struck me were his favorite books, especially the two highlighted ones.  I have no idea what is going on here, but the videos make no sense and don't appear to be the ramblings of a typical serial murderer.  

Books:
I had favorite books: Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver's Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno.

And the odd contradictory CNN reporting makes me very suspicious.
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This is very good to know.Thank you :)
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More strangeness.

Here is the Congresswoman's Youtube page.  

http://www.youtube.com/user/giffords2

She has only two subscriptions.  One of them is to her alleged assassin.  As someone pointed out, were this the Kennedy assasination, it would be like JFK's home page subscribed to Oswald.  

WTF is going on?
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Quote from: "~Souza~"
Soooooooo..... CNN claims they only report deaths if they have confirmation from a doctor, at least that was told in the Situation Room on June 25 when they explained why it took so long before reporting MJ's death. But just now CNN reported this:

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SamFeistCNN Sam Feist
Retweet by cnnbrk
CNN confirms that Gabrielle Giffords has died.
35 minutes ago
http://twitter.com/#!/SamFeistCNN/statu ... 8538959873

And after a while we got this:

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SamFeistCNN Sam Feist
Retweet by cnnbrk
Rep. Giffords' local press secretary tells CNN that she is still in surgery. Law enforcement sources say she has died.
22 minutes ago
http://twitter.com/#!/SamFeistCNN/statu ... 1800269824

This means they did NOT have the confirmation on Giffords death from a doctor and I think it's safe to assume that they just copied and pasted TMZ on MJ's death after almost an hour because everyone did. So far for CNN being reliable and reporting deaths only after doctor's confirmation.

Exactly! And, the staff had to ask CNN and other national media to retract their stories before they would do so. For me, yesterday immediately confirmed that media does not confirm their stories first. It's horrible to think that some of the friends and families who hadn't heard the truth may have seen the incorrect information first.
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More strangeness.

Here is the Congresswoman's Youtube page.  

http://www.youtube.com/user/giffords2

She has only two subscriptions.  One of them is to her alleged assassin.  As someone pointed out, were this the Kennedy assasination, it would be like JFK's home page subscribed to Oswald.  

WTF is going on?

Did you watch the videos on his channel?
One page at the end of "Introduction of... " talks about government, mind control and his beliefs about the current situation of the U.S. As disturbing as his videos are - this might be giving his reasoning in a very blurred overall picture - I think a psychologist should review this.

Mark Chapman had developped a phantasizing relationship to John Lennon, too,  before killing him.
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More strangeness.

Here is the Congresswoman's Youtube page.  

http://www.youtube.com/user/giffords2

She has only two subscriptions.  One of them is to her alleged assassin.  As someone pointed out, were this the Kennedy assasination, it would be like JFK's home page subscribed to Oswald.  

WTF is going on?

Is it her youtube channel at all? The last log was 15 hours ago.
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More strangeness.

Here is the Congresswoman's Youtube page.  

http://www.youtube.com/user/giffords2

She has only two subscriptions.  One of them is to her alleged assassin.  As someone pointed out, were this the Kennedy assasination, it would be like JFK's home page subscribed to Oswald.  

WTF is going on?

Did you watch the videos on his channel?
One page at the end of "Introduction of... " talks about government, mind control and his beliefs about the current situation of the U.S. As disturbing as his videos are - this might be giving his reasoning in a very blurred overall picture - I think a psychologist should review this.

Mark Chapman had developped a phantasizing relationship to John Lennon, too,  before killing him.


His videos at the 1st glance gives the impression of coming from a deluded mind and points possibly towards schizophrenia.

However, a psychiatric Doctor would be able to determinate if there is more added and diagnose him properly.
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More strangeness.

Here is the Congresswoman's Youtube page.  

http://www.youtube.com/user/giffords2

She has only two subscriptions.  One of them is to her alleged assassin.  As someone pointed out, were this the Kennedy assasination, it would be like JFK's home page subscribed to Oswald.  

WTF is going on?

Is it her youtube channel at all? The last log was 15 hours ago.

I noticed that as well.  But this is definitely her channel.  A staff person could have accessed it.  However, there's nothing to indicate when she might have subscribed to his channel.
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Thank you for posting...that is a good point!
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More strangeness for your reading and viewing pleasure.

This clip from Dateline was shown THE DAY AFTER the shooting.  Do these people look at all like they just lost their 9 year old daughter?  Sorry, no amount of valium could quell my rage and pain.  Notice at one point, the mother smiles, kinda like Janet Jackson.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp ... 6#40994490

And the judge that was killed had been under 24/7 surveillance for death threats.  Very little is being said about him, but I found the below rather odd.

According to this SVR report, Federal Judge John McCarthy Roll was the Chief Judge for the United States District Court for the District of Arizona who this past Friday issued what is called a “preliminary ruling” in a case titled “United States of America v. $333,520.00 in United States Currency et al” [Case Number: 4:2010cv00703 Filed: November 30, 2010] wherein he stated he was preparing to rule against Obama’s power to seize American citizens
money without clear and convincing evidence of a crime being committed.

The case being ruled on by Judge Roll, this report continues, was about bulk cash smuggling into or out of the United States that the Obama administration claimed was their right to seize under what are called Presidential Executive Orders, instead of using existing laws
. The Obama administration used as support for their claim before Judge Roll, the SVR says, the seizing of all American citizens’ gold, in 1933, by President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s signing of Executive Order 6102, which was ruled at the time to be constitutiona
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More strangeness for your reading and viewing pleasure.

This clip from Dateline was shown THE DAY AFTER the shooting.  Do these people look at all like they just lost their 9 year old daughter?  Sorry, no amount of valium could quell my rage and pain.  Notice at one point, the mother smiles, kinda like Janet Jackson.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp ... 6#40994490

The girl was born on 9/11 and starred as baby as a "face of hope".
This video looks so much planted.
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What disturbs me most about this particular scenario is the events that took place on this day during the assassination attempt and their efforts to help treat Giffords. Everything occurred so conveniently, almost to the point in which it was TOO convenient.  The parallels between 9/11 and the little girl, (after hearing this I nearly cried) the fact that the congresswoman was shot in the head and was brought to a medical center in which she later was said to have survived from he attack on  Saturday and was brought quickly so that there wasn't that much activity going on. I think the fact that she is a congresswoman is the reason why she is still alive today. She is a noble and prestigious woman in her respective cabinet and she lives, yet 90% of regular citizens whens hot in the head immediately die as a result of the impact from the brain. The disturbing part is if michael is dead (which I highly doubt at this point anyway), the fact that he could have easily been revived or saved and wasn't is simply outrageous considering the circumstances. If michael jackson were in Giffords place, I think he would have eventually passed on. but because this congresswoman has CONGRESS attached to her name, she lives. Nevertheless, it's a strange story itself and I do hope that she can recover from this devastating attack. I just think that something fishy is going on and i hope that the government isn't playing tricks on us once again. injustice.
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I'm going out on a limb here and suggest that this whole thing is a hoax.  Maybe I've been following MJ's hoax for too long, but this smells the same to me.  

I've been following this for much of the last two days and have seen contradiction upon contradiction.  For example, we have only heard from the sheriff who was long on opinion about why it happened and the shooter's mental state and short on facts.  Of the articles I read most reference unnamed authorities for their information.  

Here's the latest weirdness.  This is Loughner's Youtube channel.  http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10  Note that he favorited a video on this channel:  http://www.youtube.com/user/Starhitshnaz

The video is really bizarre, but I'll hold off on commenting on that because of the big find, except to say the person in the video points out he only has his right arm.

Classitup10 (Loughner's ID) made the following comment just an hour ago.

Channel comments from Mr. Loughner on this channel

http://www.youtube.com/user/Starhitshnaz

Here's an interesting comment made less than an hour ago.

CIassitup10

CIassitup10 (50 minutes ago)
666 is coming
sheeps
666 is coin 666 in the hand right sheeps

How is he making comments if he's in jail?
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Compare what this hospital does/says concerning the congresswoman's condition to what UCLA didn't say about Michael Jackson's condition.

At :42 the SURGEONS speak at the news conference.  

Link to video:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp ... 6#40994521
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As to the comment on youtube, here's an explanation:
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@JakDerrida Gosh, don't you see that he just changed the second letter of Loughner's username "Classitup10". It's capital I (eye) instead of l (el). I and l look the same with the youtube standard font. Loughner's original is "classitup10". This guy's is "ciassitup10". But he wrote the letter i in capital, so it looks like l. =)
ViPad2011 4 hours ago

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TATTOO 666 IN THE HAND RIGHT SHEEPS
CIassitup10 5 hours ago

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THE PIMIENTO666 IS THE BOSS
CIassitup10 5 hours ago

This whole thing is a fight in the bushes.
A 9 year old kid was said to have been killed.
Anything ringing?

There's more - reference from the youtube (his myspace was shut down obviously):
http://http://www.businessinsider.com/jared-lee-loughner-2011-1
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Grace wrote

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@JakDerrida Gosh, don't you see that he just changed the second letter of Loughner's username "Classitup10". It's capital I (eye) instead of l (el). I and l look the same with the youtube standard font. Loughner's original is "classitup10". This guy's is "ciassitup10". But he wrote the letter i in capital, so it looks like l. =)
ViPad2011 4 hours ago

Actually, that's not true.  Unfortunately all comments have been removed from both channels and Giffords is no longer subscribed to Loughner's channel.  However, I used the name as it appeared on the comments previously and pulled up his channel.  In fact, if you use an "i" or an "l" in the second position, the same channel appears.
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In fact, if you use an "i" or an "l" in the second position, the same channel appears.

THIS should not happen.
A search may be case-sensitive thus differentiating between capital and regular letters, but a search will not mix up an "I" with an "L". Youtube's mother company is Google and if someone knows how a search function should work properly, it's Google.

The channel can only come up with both search results if
1) either both search terms are in the database leading to the result - double entry (how come?)
2) or the search function includes spelling errors and knows based on common errors mixing up "I" with an "L" to search for both and come up with whatever database entry is found corresponding to both spelling possibilities.

Still, the user commenting either was the Channel owner acting from a smartphone or some freerider / background person signing on with a differently spelt user name as explained above.
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Is Loughner's mug shot a FAKE

http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/01 ... age?page=1

Here's an interesting article in which Loughner's friend says the Loughner liked pushing buttons and speculates as to the reason for the rampage as follows:

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Since hearing of the rampage, Tierney has been trying to figure out why Loughner did what he allegedly did. "More chaos, maybe," he says. "I think the reason he did it was mainly to just promote chaos. He wanted the media to freak out about this whole thing. He wanted exactly what's happening. He wants all of that."

Note that the mugshot in the article shows him bald with no eyebrows and, frankly, very different from other shots of him.  Is it a fake?  Here's a link to a discussion on ATS where someone is suggesting this, especially since the courtroom drawing shows him with hair!http://http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread649329/pg1
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In fact, if you use an "i" or an "l" in the second position, the same channel appears.

THIS should not happen.
A search may be case-sensitive thus differentiating between capital and regular letters, but a search will not mix up an "I" with an "L". Youtube's mother company is Google and if someone knows how a search function should work properly, it's Google.

The channel can only come up with both search results if
1) either both search terms are in the database leading to the result - double entry (how come?)
2) or the search function includes spelling errors and knows based on common errors mixing up "I" with an "L" to search for both and come up with whatever database entry is found corresponding to both spelling possibilities.

Still, the user commenting either was the Channel owner acting from a smartphone or some freerider / background person signing on with a differently spelt user name as explained above.

Actually, these accounts are mirrors of the original because they were only opened January 10th, while his original account was from October, I believe.  It does beg the question as to why someone would do this, however.
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