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Quote from: "PeaceLoveHappiness"If Michael really did die from a propofol overdose, I can actually believe this story. Murray isn't the first person to say that Michael was relentless about having his way, even if it meant begging. With all due respect to Michael, he knows full well that he can get his way anytime he wants, even if it means manipulating someone. I do believe he is a master at that. And I can also even believe that he would be interested in pushing the propofol into an IV (although it seems like that would be an awkward position to have his body in). He is a very inquisitive person. Doesn't the lidocaine cream (or one of those creams) numb the body where the IV needle is injected anyway? If so, Michael wouldn't be in any pain while this is going on. I used to have to have blood drawn periodically and the nurse would always rub a cream over the vein area before injecting the needle and I couldn't feel a thing. Granted it is usually used on children, but even some of us adults request it, lol!Isnt Michael needle phobic? I am also needle phobic even if I could not feel a thing there is no way in this world that I will watch what they are doing with a needle near me, I always look away, if blood taken I have to be lying down on a bed and not watch. So if Michael is indeed needle phobic I cannot for one moment think he would be injecting himself, dont make sence at all to me. JMO
If Michael really did die from a propofol overdose, I can actually believe this story. Murray isn't the first person to say that Michael was relentless about having his way, even if it meant begging. With all due respect to Michael, he knows full well that he can get his way anytime he wants, even if it means manipulating someone. I do believe he is a master at that. And I can also even believe that he would be interested in pushing the propofol into an IV (although it seems like that would be an awkward position to have his body in). He is a very inquisitive person. Doesn't the lidocaine cream (or one of those creams) numb the body where the IV needle is injected anyway? If so, Michael wouldn't be in any pain while this is going on. I used to have to have blood drawn periodically and the nurse would always rub a cream over the vein area before injecting the needle and I couldn't feel a thing. Granted it is usually used on children, but even some of us adults request it, lol!
Quote from: "Ijustcantstoplovingu"Quote from: "PeaceLoveHappiness"If Michael really did die from a propofol overdose, I can actually believe this story. Murray isn't the first person to say that Michael was relentless about having his way, even if it meant begging. With all due respect to Michael, he knows full well that he can get his way anytime he wants, even if it means manipulating someone. I do believe he is a master at that. And I can also even believe that he would be interested in pushing the propofol into an IV (although it seems like that would be an awkward position to have his body in). He is a very inquisitive person. Doesn't the lidocaine cream (or one of those creams) numb the body where the IV needle is injected anyway? If so, Michael wouldn't be in any pain while this is going on. I used to have to have blood drawn periodically and the nurse would always rub a cream over the vein area before injecting the needle and I couldn't feel a thing. Granted it is usually used on children, but even some of us adults request it, lol!Isnt Michael needle phobic? I am also needle phobic even if I could not feel a thing there is no way in this world that I will watch what they are doing with a needle near me, I always look away, if blood taken I have to be lying down on a bed and not watch. So if Michael is indeed needle phobic I cannot for one moment think he would be injecting himself, dont make sence at all to me. JMO Exactly, my daughter is needle phobic. There is no way that she could ever inject herself or even just depress the plunger of a syringe. She can't even watch the needle being inserted, she has to look away during the whole thing. She has almost fainted and has to lie down when being given a shot or having blood taken for any tests.
Or it could be all a hoax and one needs to look beyond just what is being written. Connect the DOTS, decipher the words, see the inconsistencies, travel down the yellow brick road through the rabbit whole and see where it leads![/b]Has the Illusion become your reality...
LOL,... Don’t start on me Serenity once again. :roll: Believe me when I tell you, that you are not the only one who so badly wishes that this is all one big hilarious hoax/joke and we all will see our beloved MJ alive and well soon and very soon.My view is, that there is only so much one can do to follow a theory after theory, and believe in a possible scenario before it may start to look like a lot of wishful thinking. Well, to each his own, and you are entitled to go down more and more rabbit holes,and connect dots of your own choosing etc etc, and see inconsistencies where there may not even exist, but really as for me, I hate to be delusional in quite that way,and no matter how much I wish that our MJ is alive and well,if he is indeed not here with us anymore, nothing I do, will ever change that fact..It is true, while I am still hoping that there is a very slight chance of all this nightmare being a hoax, and am trying to hang in there, I do have to watch my own sanity, and my reality too is my own. So, with all due respect, pls worry about your own reality/illusion views in all of this, and despite of looking at what is now unfolding in the court of Law,about the MJ "death", if the reality has indeed not become just an illusion to you in turn.. Peace.
by Serenitys_Dream » Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:33 am Or it could be all a hoax and one needs to look beyond just what is being written. Connect the DOTS, decipher the words, see the inconsistencies, travel down the yellow brick road through the rabbit whole and see where it leads![/b]Has the Illusion become your reality...Supervision wrote:LOL,... Don’t start on me Serenity once again. Believe me when I tell you, that you are not the only one who so badly wishes that this is all one big hilarious hoax/joke and we all will see our beloved MJ alive and well soon and very soon.My view is, that there is only so much one can do to follow a theory after theory, and believe in a possible scenario before it may start to look like a lot of wishful thinking. Well, to each his own, and you are entitled to go down more and more rabbit holes,and connect dots of your own choosing etc etc, and see inconsistencies where there may not even exist, but really as for me, I hate to be delusional in quite that way,and no matter how much I wish that our MJ is alive and well,if he is indeed not here with us anymore, nothing I do, will ever change that fact..It is true, while I am still hoping that there is a very slight chance of all this nightmare being a hoax, and am trying to hang in there, I do have to watch my own sanity, and my reality too is my own. So, with all due respect, pls worry about your own reality/illusion views in all of this,and despite of looking at what is now unfolding in the court of Law,about the MJ "death", if the reality has indeed not become just an illusion to you in turn.. Peace.
Serenity answered :From your posts, it seems that you believe everything that is being written in the media without digging deeper. If this is a hoax then the clues are not on the surface of the testimonies being given. My question about the illusion becoming your reality, is because if Michael has created the illusion of his death and you are just accepting the media reports as they have been written without digging deeper, without questioning the contradictions between statements and previous testimonies given etc. than you have accepted this illusion as the truth.
Serenity wrote:Please refrain from insinuating that I am delusional because that is extremely far from the truth.
Serenity wrote:If I am (delusional), than there are thousands of others on this and many other sites that are also delusional, including yourself.
Serenity wrote: Just because you have personal issues with me, though you don't really even know me, doesn't give you the right to judge me or my mental state.
Murray to Cops: Michael Begged Me For Propofol1/10/2011 4:50 PM PST by TMZ StaffIn some of the most dramatic testimony to date, an LAPD detective testified Dr. Conrad Murray told him Michael Jackson "begged" him for Propofol shortly before he died.LAPD Robbery Homicide Detective Orlando Martinez testified about an interview he conducted with Dr. Murray two days after MJ died. Martinez said Murray told him the night before Jackson died he was having trouble sleeping. Murray said he was trying to ween Jackson off of Propofol -- a drug he was giving MJ almost every night for two months.Murray told Martinez he was giving Jackson a variety of other drugs, beginning sometime after 1AM, to no avail. Jackson then said if he didn't get to sleep he would cancel rehearsal.Murray said he was feeling "pressure" from MJ to give him something to help him sleep, and Jackson was begging for Propofol. Murray claims he gave him a reduced dose, with Michael's help. As TMZ has reported many times before, Murray said MJ liked to "push in the Propofol himself and that other doctors let him do it."Murray went to the bathroom for 2 minutes, came back and claims he saw MJ wasn't breathing.
QuoteLAPD Robbery Homicide Detective Orlando Martinez testified about an interview he conducted with Dr. Murray two days after MJ died. Martinez said Murray told him the night before Jackson died he was having trouble sleeping. Murray said he was trying to ween Jackson off of Propofol -- a drug he was giving MJ almost every night for two months.O.k. but I wonder, if MJ was really a propofol addict, and that was his bedtime milk to go to sleep , then who was administering this anesthesia to MJ each and every time he needed it, prior to Doc.Murry's appearance in MJ's life?The answer to this question perhaps may indicate, that MJ was/may have been trained to administer this drug to himself, if that is the only way he was accustomed to battle his insomnia bouts.. :? Or could it be, that our MJ was in the habit of making a nightly cocktail for himself, with lacing this drug with his fave juice? :? (the Juice Box tale per defense?) :? That would have been a gross move on MJ's part for sure , to use an intravenous drug in that way?Too many questions ..but it seems more and more, it is MJ himself who is /will be standing trial here once again rather than Murry. PITY.Peace
LAPD Robbery Homicide Detective Orlando Martinez testified about an interview he conducted with Dr. Murray two days after MJ died. Martinez said Murray told him the night before Jackson died he was having trouble sleeping. Murray said he was trying to ween Jackson off of Propofol -- a drug he was giving MJ almost every night for two months.
Mj is leasing the cows for cash![youtube:3e0fluag]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0qfBB0Rnjg&playnext=1&list=PL4DBC5035023F83A2[/youtube:3e0fluag]OMG This adventure is awesome and I think that at the end If I will not die from sters,for sure I will die becasue of to much LAUGHING :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: !!!!!I love you Michael, :lol: :lol: 8-) !!!!!!
Quote from: "applehead250609"Mj is leasing the cows for cash![youtube:1ne5705g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0qfBB0Rnjg&playnext=1&list=PL4DBC5035023F83A2[/youtube:1ne5705g]OMG This adventure is awesome and I think that at the end If I will not die from sters,for sure I will die becasue of to much LAUGHING :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: !!!!!I love you Michael, :lol: :lol: 8-) !!!!!! :lol: This really made me laugh! Thank you for posting.
Mj is leasing the cows for cash![youtube:1ne5705g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0qfBB0Rnjg&playnext=1&list=PL4DBC5035023F83A2[/youtube:1ne5705g]OMG This adventure is awesome and I think that at the end If I will not die from sters,for sure I will die becasue of to much LAUGHING :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: !!!!!I love you Michael, :lol: :lol: 8-) !!!!!!
About 1:45 into this video there is a very distinct change of people. Michael's voice changes. The first one in the more black shirt does not seem to be Michael to me and then BAM you have the change over to the Michael we all know. There is a break up in the video for a split second and we seem to see 2 overlapping totally different interviews and Michaels. That first one keeps acting like he's being careful not to let something slip out of his mouth, be it false teeth or a partial...a removable implant...something is wrong here.