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Michael Jackson trial highlights troubles and triumphs of pop star's last days

LOS ANGELES — Michael Jackson may have called the anesthetic propofol his “milk,” but rather than give him strength, it left him in such a vulnerable state that his urine was collected through a device for incontinent patients.
That was one view of Jackson’s final days and the extreme measures he took in life to maintain his public image as a beautiful superstar, which were revealed in a six day hearing into his death that ended earlier this week.
Other details were his wearing of a surgical cap while he slept to cover his balding scalp, and the numerous tubes of skin bleach cream he used to hide the disorder vitiligo, which causes a discoloration of the skin, from which he suffered.
But for the man once dubbed Wacko Jacko in the media, there was a softer side revealed, too. He was depicted as a father who cared deeply for his three children, and even as he was hounded by paparazzi, he tried to give them a normal life.
Tuesday this week, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor ordered Jackson’s doctor, Conrad Murray, to stand trial for involuntary manslaughter in the “Thriller” singer’s 2009 death due to an overdose mainly of propofol.
The anesthetic is used in hospitals to sedate patients, but Jackson’s doctor has admitted to giving it to him at home as a sleep aid. One prosecution witness testified to some evidence Jackson might have drank it he would a glass of milk.
At one point, Judge Pastor seemed puzzled over why Murray would make the unorthodox decision to administer — at Jackson’s request — propofol for sleeplessness, since the drug’s effects last only minutes.
“Isn’t the person still sleep deprived?” Pastor asked Murray’s defense attorneys. “What purpose does it do to administer a dose that’s only going to keep the person asleep for five minutes?”
Joseph Low, an attorney for Murray, responded that after Jackson had experienced over many years the adrenaline of performing for thousands of fans, he found it hard to sleep.
“It’s difficult to come down off your own chemistry, if you will,” Low said. “The propofol doesn’t allow you to sleep ... but it at least allows you to get started.”
NIGHT CAP
Earlier in the hearing, witnesses testified to seeing a ”condom catheter” on Jackson as he lay motionless in his bed. That is a device to collect urine through a tube in patients without control of bodily functions, such as those under deep sedation, testified Dr. Richelle Cooper, the hospital physician who pronounced Jackson dead.
Elissa Fleak, a coroner investigator, said she found a jug of urine on a chair when she combed through Jackson’s room.
Paramedic Richard Senneff testified that Jackson was also wearing a surgical cap when emergency workers arrived at his bedroom. That may be because, as revealed earlier in Jackson’s autopsy report, he suffered from “frontal balding” and his hair was described as “sparse and connected to a wig.”
Despite years of being maligned in the media for saying he suffered from skin discoloration disease vitiligo, when few believed that would be the reason for his changed skin color, the autopsy also disclosed that he did have the disease.
In the preliminary hearing, it was revealed that to make his skin appear one color, he used huge amounts
of skin cream.

http://www.canada.com/news/Michael+Jack ... story.html

That part of MJ's room scenario speaks about long term bed patient existence over there. It does not sound Michael to me.
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Thanks for posting! Interesting article!  :!:  :!:
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Michael Jackson trial highlights troubles and triumphs of pop star's last days

LOS ANGELES — Michael Jackson may have called the anesthetic propofol his “milk,” but rather than give him strength, it left him in such a vulnerable state that his urine was collected through a device for incontinent patients.
That was one view of Jackson’s final days and the extreme measures he took in life to maintain his public image as a beautiful superstar, which were revealed in a six day hearing into his death that ended earlier this week.
Other details were his wearing of a surgical cap while he slept to cover his balding scalp, and the numerous tubes of skin bleach cream he used to hide the disorder vitiligo, which causes a discoloration of the skin, from which he suffered.
But for the man once dubbed Wacko Jacko in the media, there was a softer side revealed, too. He was depicted as a father who cared deeply for his three children, and even as he was hounded by paparazzi, he tried to give them a normal life.
Tuesday this week, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor ordered Jackson’s doctor, Conrad Murray, to stand trial for involuntary manslaughter in the “Thriller” singer’s 2009 death due to an overdose mainly of propofol.
The anesthetic is used in hospitals to sedate patients, but Jackson’s doctor has admitted to giving it to him at home as a sleep aid. One prosecution witness testified to some evidence Jackson might have drank it he would a glass of milk.
At one point, Judge Pastor seemed puzzled over why Murray would make the unorthodox decision to administer — at Jackson’s request — propofol for sleeplessness, since the drug’s effects last only minutes.
“Isn’t the person still sleep deprived?” Pastor asked Murray’s defense attorneys. “What purpose does it do to administer a dose that’s only going to keep the person asleep for five minutes?”
Joseph Low, an attorney for Murray, responded that after Jackson had experienced over many years the adrenaline of performing for thousands of fans, he found it hard to sleep.
“It’s difficult to come down off your own chemistry, if you will,” Low said. “The propofol doesn’t allow you to sleep ... but it at least allows you to get started.”
NIGHT CAP
Earlier in the hearing, witnesses testified to seeing a ”condom catheter” on Jackson as he lay motionless in his bed. That is a device to collect urine through a tube in patients without control of bodily functions, such as those under deep sedation, testified Dr. Richelle Cooper, the hospital physician who pronounced Jackson dead.
Elissa Fleak, a coroner investigator, said she found a jug of urine on a chair when she combed through Jackson’s room.
Paramedic Richard Senneff testified that Jackson was also wearing a surgical cap when emergency workers arrived at his bedroom. That may be because, as revealed earlier in Jackson’s autopsy report, he suffered from “frontal balding” and his hair was described as “sparse and connected to a wig.”
Despite years of being maligned in the media for saying he suffered from skin discoloration disease vitiligo, when few believed that would be the reason for his changed skin color, the autopsy also disclosed that he did have the disease.
In the preliminary hearing, it was revealed that to make his skin appear one color, he used huge amounts
of skin cream.

http://www.canada.com/news/Michael+Jack ... story.html

That part of MJ's room scenario speaks about long term bed patient existence over there. It does not sound Michael to me.


Ok, first of all, they said that Michael slept with a surgical cap, to hide his bald spot. That's how they found him. So tell me how come the ambulance picture Michael has hair?  What they did do, put his wig on before the ambulance arrived? Instead of doing CPR they decided to fix Michael. Does not make sense.

Secondly, if Murray adminstrated him propofol for 5 to 10 mins, why would he need a catheter?  Usually catheters are needed for long term patients who cannot get out of bed,
when the get operated and cannot get out of bed for several days. Or when a person is terminally ill. He is dying. So Michael was in good shape as per Ortega on June 24, so Michael is not ill. and for 10 mins or propofol does not need a catheter. I got informed by my doctor friend. This is his explaination. By the way by drinking propofol does not do the same effect as by intervenus. It does not do anything at all, just burns your stomach. I guess that's why he drank it with milk.
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Michael Jackson trial highlights troubles and triumphs of pop star's last days

LOS ANGELES — Michael Jackson may have called the anesthetic propofol his “milk,” but rather than give him strength, it left him in such a vulnerable state that his urine was collected through a device for incontinent patients.
That was one view of Jackson’s final days and the extreme measures he took in life to maintain his public image as a beautiful superstar, which were revealed in a six day hearing into his death that ended earlier this week.
Other details were his wearing of a surgical cap while he slept to cover his balding scalp, and the numerous tubes of skin bleach cream he used to hide the disorder vitiligo, which causes a discoloration of the skin, from which he suffered.
But for the man once dubbed Wacko Jacko in the media, there was a softer side revealed, too. He was depicted as a father who cared deeply for his three children, and even as he was hounded by paparazzi, he tried to give them a normal life.
Tuesday this week, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor ordered Jackson’s doctor, Conrad Murray, to stand trial for involuntary manslaughter in the “Thriller” singer’s 2009 death due to an overdose mainly of propofol.
The anesthetic is used in hospitals to sedate patients, but Jackson’s doctor has admitted to giving it to him at home as a sleep aid. One prosecution witness testified to some evidence Jackson might have drank it he would a glass of milk.
At one point, Judge Pastor seemed puzzled over why Murray would make the unorthodox decision to administer — at Jackson’s request — propofol for sleeplessness, since the drug’s effects last only minutes.
“Isn’t the person still sleep deprived?” Pastor asked Murray’s defense attorneys. “What purpose does it do to administer a dose that’s only going to keep the person asleep for five minutes?”
Joseph Low, an attorney for Murray, responded that after Jackson had experienced over many years the adrenaline of performing for thousands of fans, he found it hard to sleep.
“It’s difficult to come down off your own chemistry, if you will,” Low said. “The propofol doesn’t allow you to sleep ... but it at least allows you to get started.”
NIGHT CAP
Earlier in the hearing, witnesses testified to seeing a ”condom catheter” on Jackson as he lay motionless in his bed. That is a device to collect urine through a tube in patients without control of bodily functions, such as those under deep sedation, testified Dr. Richelle Cooper, the hospital physician who pronounced Jackson dead.
Elissa Fleak, a coroner investigator, said she found a jug of urine on a chair when she combed through Jackson’s room.
Paramedic Richard Senneff testified that Jackson was also wearing a surgical cap when emergency workers arrived at his bedroom. That may be because, as revealed earlier in Jackson’s autopsy report, he suffered from “frontal balding” and his hair was described as “sparse and connected to a wig.”
Despite years of being maligned in the media for saying he suffered from skin discoloration disease vitiligo, when few believed that would be the reason for his changed skin color, the autopsy also disclosed that he did have the disease.
In the preliminary hearing, it was revealed that to make his skin appear one color, he used huge amounts
of skin cream.

http://www.canada.com/news/Michael+Jack ... story.html

That part of MJ's room scenario speaks about long term bed patient existence over there. It does not sound Michael to me.


Ok, first of all, they said that Michael slept with a surgical cap, to hide his bald spot. That's how they found him. So tell me how come the ambulance picture Michael has hair?  What they did do, put his wig on before the ambulance arrived? Instead of doing CPR they decided to fix Michael. Does not make sense.

Secondly, if Murray adminstrated him propofol for 5 to 10 mins, why would he need a catheter?  Usually catheters are needed for long term patients who cannot get out of bed,
when the get operated and cannot get out of bed for several days. Or when a person is terminally ill. He is dying. So Michael was in good shape as per Ortega on June 24, so Michael is not ill. and for 10 mins or propofol does not need a catheter. I got informed by my doctor friend. This is his explaination. By the way by drinking propofol does not do the same effect as by intervenus. It does not do anything at all, just burns your stomach. I guess that's why he drank it with milk.


The condom catheter is mentioned in the AR. Presumably, the physicians at UCLA Med put that on him.
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Michael Jackson trial highlights troubles and triumphs of pop star's last days

LOS ANGELES — Michael Jackson may have called the anesthetic propofol his “milk,” but rather than give him strength, it left him in such a vulnerable state that his urine was collected through a device for incontinent patients.

NIGHT CAP
Earlier in the hearing, witnesses testified to seeing a ”condom catheter” on Jackson as he lay motionless in his bed. That is a device to collect urine through a tube in patients without control of bodily functions, such as those under deep sedation, testified Dr. Richelle Cooper, the hospital physician who pronounced Jackson dead.
http://www.canada.com/news/Michael+Jack ... story.html[/url]

That part of MJ's room scenario speaks about long term bed patient existence over there. It does not sound Michael to me.


Ok, first of all, they said that Michael slept with a surgical cap, to hide his bald spot. That's how they found him. So tell me how come the ambulance picture Michael has hair?  What they did do, put his wig on before the ambulance arrived? Instead of doing CPR they decided to fix Michael. Does not make sense.

Secondly, if Murray adminstrated him propofol for 5 to 10 mins, why would he need a catheter?  Usually catheters are needed for long term patients who cannot get out of bed,
when the get operated and cannot get out of bed for several days. Or when a person is terminally ill. He is dying. So Michael was in good shape as per Ortega on June 24, so Michael is not ill. and for 10 mins or propofol does not need a catheter. I got informed by my doctor friend. This is his explaination. By the way by drinking propofol does not do the same effect as by intervenus. It does not do anything at all, just burns your stomach. I guess that's why he drank it with milk.

Right, that's why I say it looks like someone very ill, long term bed patient was in that room.Not Michael.
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Michael Jackson trial highlights troubles and triumphs of pop star's last days

LOS ANGELES — Michael Jackson may have called the anesthetic propofol his “milk,” but rather than give him strength, it left him in such a vulnerable state that his urine was collected through a device for incontinent patients.
That was one view of Jackson’s final days and the extreme measures he took in life to maintain his public image as a beautiful superstar, which were revealed in a six day hearing into his death that ended earlier this week.
Other details were his wearing of a surgical cap while he slept to cover his balding scalp, and the numerous tubes of skin bleach cream he used to hide the disorder vitiligo, which causes a discoloration of the skin, from which he suffered.
But for the man once dubbed Wacko Jacko in the media, there was a softer side revealed, too. He was depicted as a father who cared deeply for his three children, and even as he was hounded by paparazzi, he tried to give them a normal life.
Tuesday this week, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor ordered Jackson’s doctor, Conrad Murray, to stand trial for involuntary manslaughter in the “Thriller” singer’s 2009 death due to an overdose mainly of propofol.
The anesthetic is used in hospitals to sedate patients, but Jackson’s doctor has admitted to giving it to him at home as a sleep aid. One prosecution witness testified to some evidence Jackson might have drank it he would a glass of milk.
At one point, Judge Pastor seemed puzzled over why Murray would make the unorthodox decision to administer — at Jackson’s request — propofol for sleeplessness, since the drug’s effects last only minutes.
“Isn’t the person still sleep deprived?” Pastor asked Murray’s defense attorneys. “What purpose does it do to administer a dose that’s only going to keep the person asleep for five minutes?”
Joseph Low, an attorney for Murray, responded that after Jackson had experienced over many years the adrenaline of performing for thousands of fans, he found it hard to sleep.
“It’s difficult to come down off your own chemistry, if you will,” Low said. “The propofol doesn’t allow you to sleep ... but it at least allows you to get started.”
NIGHT CAP
Earlier in the hearing, witnesses testified to seeing a ”condom catheter” on Jackson as he lay motionless in his bed. That is a device to collect urine through a tube in patients without control of bodily functions, such as those under deep sedation, testified Dr. Richelle Cooper, the hospital physician who pronounced Jackson dead.
Elissa Fleak, a coroner investigator, said she found a jug of urine on a chair when she combed through Jackson’s room.
Paramedic Richard Senneff testified that Jackson was also wearing a surgical cap when emergency workers arrived at his bedroom. That may be because, as revealed earlier in Jackson’s autopsy report, he suffered from “frontal balding” and his hair was described as “sparse and connected to a wig.”
Despite years of being maligned in the media for saying he suffered from skin discoloration disease vitiligo, when few believed that would be the reason for his changed skin color, the autopsy also disclosed that he did have the disease.
In the preliminary hearing, it was revealed that to make his skin appear one color, he used huge amounts of skin cream.

http://www.canada.com/news/Michael+Jack ... story.html

That part of MJ's room scenario speaks about long term bed patient existence over there. It does not sound Michael to me.


Ok, first of all, they said that Michael slept with a surgical cap, to hide his bald spot. That's how they found him. So tell me how come the ambulance picture Michael has hair? What they did do, put his wig on before the ambulance arrived? Instead of doing CPR they decided to fix Michael. Does not make sense.

Secondly, if Murray adminstrated him propofol for 5 to 10 mins, why would he need a catheter? Usually catheters are needed for long term patients who cannot get out of bed,
when the get operated and cannot get out of bed for several days. Or when a person is terminally ill. He is dying. So Michael was in good shape as per Ortega on June 24, so Michael is not ill. and for 10 mins or propofol does not need a catheter. I got informed by my doctor friend. This is his explaination. By the way by drinking propofol does not do the same effect as by intervenus. It does not do anything at all, just burns your stomach. I guess that's why he drank it with milk.

The person who dies is not Michael ;)

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wasn't there somewhere along the way , maybe very early even the mention of possible bed sores on this person? or did i make that up :?  :lol:
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Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

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wasn't there somewhere along the way , maybe very early even the mention of possible bed sores on this person? or did i make that up :?  :lol:

I do believe you're right.
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wasn't there somewhere along the way , maybe very early even the mention of possible bed sores on this person? or did i make that up :?  :lol:

I do believe you're right.

There were no bedsores mentioned in the AR.

AR Page 3
4 discolored indentations were found on his lower backside

AR Page 13
Over the lower back are several 1/4-1/2 inch perimortem abrasions. (Comment: Scene photographs show beads on the bed).

Perimortem - At, or near, the time of death
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Michael Jackson trial highlights troubles and triumphs of pop star's last days

LOS ANGELES — Michael Jackson may have called the anesthetic propofol his “milk,” but rather than give him strength, it left him in such a vulnerable state that his urine was collected through a device for incontinent patients.

NIGHT CAP
Earlier in the hearing, witnesses testified to seeing a ”condom catheter” on Jackson as he lay motionless in his bed. That is a device to collect urine through a tube in patients without control of bodily functions, such as those under deep sedation, testified Dr. Richelle Cooper, the hospital physician who pronounced Jackson dead.
http://www.canada.com/news/Michael+Jack ... story.html[/url]

That part of MJ's room scenario speaks about long term bed patient existence over there. It does not sound Michael to me.


Ok, first of all, they said that Michael slept with a surgical cap, to hide his bald spot. That's how they found him. So tell me how come the ambulance picture Michael has hair?  What they did do, put his wig on before the ambulance arrived? Instead of doing CPR they decided to fix Michael. Does not make sense.

Secondly, if Murray adminstrated him propofol for 5 to 10 mins, why would he need a catheter?  Usually catheters are needed for long term patients who cannot get out of bed,
when the get operated and cannot get out of bed for several days. Or when a person is terminally ill. He is dying. So Michael was in good shape as per Ortega on June 24, so Michael is not ill. and for 10 mins or propofol does not need a catheter. I got informed by my doctor friend. This is his explaination. By the way by drinking propofol does not do the same effect as by intervenus. It does not do anything at all, just burns your stomach. I guess that's why he drank it with milk.

Right, that's why I say it looks like someone very ill, long term bed patient was in that room.Not Michael.


Apparently they found some catheter in his room.
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The condom catheter is mentioned in the AR. Presumably, the physicians at UCLA Med put that on him.

A condom catheter is mentioned in the AR but it is not presumed to have been put on by the UCLA physicians at all. It is presumed to have been put in place by Murray.

This raises several things:
1.There is no mention of any collection bag attached to this catheter,
2. There is no mention of any urine having been collected except for a small, sealed bottle found at the scene which wasn't connected to anything and we have no way of knowing whose urine it is.

Page 3
Also near the foot of the bed, there was a closed bottle of urine atop a chair.

Laboratory Analysis Report
Page 45 (the note is on pages 42-48)

NOTE: Urine*: Approximately 450 ml urine collected at scene by Inv. E. Fleak

This is the urine the tested in the AR, not any gathered at the hospital or during an autopsy.

3. If this catheter was in place at the hospital, where is the urine that was collected and why wasn't that tested? Why use some old urine that has been sitting in this glass bottle for who knows how long?

The Basics of Specimen Collection and Handling of Urine Testing
Preservatives for Urinalysis
NCCLS Guidelines recommend testing urine within two hours of its collection. However, refrigeration or chemical preservation of urine specimens may be utilized if testing or refrigeration within a two-hour window is not possible. A variety of urine preservatives (tartaric and boric acids being the most common) are available that allow urine to be kept at room temperature while still providing results comparable to those of refrigerated urine. Generally, the length of preservation capacity ranges from 24 to 72 hours. Claims for the length of specific analyte preservation should be obtained from the manufacturer. When a specimen is directly transferred from a collection cup into a preservative tube, it provides a stable environment for the specimen until testing can be conducted and reduces the risk of bacterial overgrowth or specimen decomposition. Non-additive tubes (those not containing any chemical preservatives) can be used for urinalysis, but must be handled following strict timing and refrigeration guidelines.
http://http://www.bd.com/vacutainer/labnotes/Volume14Number2/

So urine must be tested within two hours or be preserved (an additive or refrigeration) in some way to prevent bacterial growth and/or decomposition. Heat increases both bacterial growth and decomposition. The room had the heat cranked, in the summer, in LA. The urine in that bottle supposedly used for the test results in the AR, would have been so filled with bacteria and decomposed to such an extent, that obtaining any useful results would have been nil.

This is just another clue pointing to this all being a hoax.
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Yeahh, but all that catheter & urinating staff strongly reminds me of another Dr. Arnold K. loony remarks how MICHAEL  always looking for cane  instead of restroom on his office and everyone knows about that ...=(((
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Condom Catheter
A condom catheter is a male urinary incontinence device consisting of a flexible sheath that fits over the penis just like a condom. The condom part is then attached to a tube that drains the urine into a urinary storage bag. These types of catheters are usually good for those individuals who suffer from male urinary incontinence due to a medical condition or advanced Alzheimer's disease.

The condom catheter is easy to use, since it is simply rolled onto the penis. It is then attached to the penis using one of several methods. Sometimes this external catheter is secured using double-sided adhesive. Another way of securing the condom catheter to the penis is with a jockey-type strap or a foam strap.

Urinary drainage storage bags for the condom catheter come in various sizes to accommodate the activity level of the individual. For those men who are still active, there is a small drainage bag that can be attached to the upper thigh with straps. This bag is usually discreet, and it can easily be emptied into the toilet. Larger urinary bags are available for use at home. These bags are placed on the floor beside the patient or attached to the bottom of a chair.

One very important thing to remember when caring for an individual with a catheter is to make sure the drainage port is closed. If the drainage port is accidentally left open, urine will drain onto the floor. The leg bag has a small drainage port that should always be capped to prevent urine from soaking through the individual's pants leg.
http://http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-condom-catheter.htm

There is NO mention, in the AR, of adhesive tape or a foam strap having been used to keep this Catheter in place.

There is NO mention, in the AR, of any bags found at the scene nor one being attached to the Catheter nor any urine collected in a bag or tested.
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Yeahh, but all that catheter & urinating staff strongly reminds me of another Dr. Arnold K. loony remarks how MICHAEL  always looking for cane  instead of restroom on his office and everyone knows about that ...=(((
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This also reminds me of this TMZ and Dr Klein story

Michael Jackson -- The Urination Explanation
Originally posted Nov 4th 2009 2:47 AM PST by TMZ Staff



Finally an explanation as to why Michael Jackson's 1993 accuser could identify the discoloration on the singer's genitals ... Michael liked to pee for an audience.

TMZ has obtained files from the 1993 Santa Barbara molestation investigation. A deputy from the Santa Barbara Sheriff's Department noted the young accuser was able to describe -- in explicit detail -- the discoloration on Jackson's genital area ... the result of Vitiligo, a skin discoloration disorder.

TMZ's Harvey Levin spent 3 hours last Sunday with Dr. Arnold Klein, Jackson's best friend and doctor for decades. Dr. Klein insists Jackson did not molest the boy, and says the reason he could describe Jackson's genitals is because Jackson liked to pee in front of other people. Dr. Klein said Jackson thought it was funny.

Klein says there were numerous times when Jackson would pee in the doctor's home -- in a cup!!! -- around groups of people, including children.

Klein says Jackson would also pee in front of other people in his office.

Dr. Klein says the 1993 accuser saw Jackson peeing and that's why he could identify the genital markings.

The urination explanation...
No way! 80%
I buy it 20%
Total Votes: 131,779
Note on Poll Results

http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/04/michael-j ... planation/
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wasn't there somewhere along the way , maybe very early even the mention of possible bed sores on this person? or did i make that up :?  :lol:

I do believe you're right.

There were no bedsores mentioned in the AR.

AR Page 3
4 discolored indentations were found on his lower backside

AR Page 13
Over the lower back are several 1/4-1/2 inch perimortem abrasions. (Comment: Scene photographs show beads on the bed).

Perimortem - At, or near, the time of death

No one here ever said there were bedsores mentioned in the AR, and the OP was correct in saying someone mentioned bed sores early on after his death.

MSNBC is one of the mainstream media outlets that first reported bed sores. ABC repeated the same report.

...When he died, Jackson was skinny but not overly emaciated, and his body had bed sores, the official said. The singer is believed to have developed bed sores in the months following his 2005 acquittal of child molestation charges, when he went into seclusion and spent long stretches in bed.

http://http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/32542682/ns/today-entertainment/

http://http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/entertainment&id=6980256
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The condom catheter is mentioned in the AR. Presumably, the physicians at UCLA Med put that on him.

A condom catheter is mentioned in the AR but it is not presumed to have been put on by the UCLA physicians at all. It is presumed to have been put in place by Murray.

Presumptions. Presumptions. It's never been established either way.
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I simply wish that Michael Jackson could have had another life away from the cameras and the crowds.  I wish he had had a warm loving family who cared about him and not just his money.  I wish he had had real friends who would go through hell and high water to right the wrongs seen being done or attempted to be done to him.  I wish he had had a social life with friends to get his mind off of the business side of him 24-7. And I wish he had had caring staff who regardless of Michael’s eccentricities would have demanded that they be allowed to do their jobs, like watching out for him and being wary of anybody trying to do him harm.  I wish, I wish, I wish.  I am torn between the two theories, but last week was no ball game for me.  It broke my heart, even if it had to be done.  Hearing some of the stuff just made me sad and broke my spirit.  I don’t know what to believe anymore.  I simply don’t.  

One thing that bothers me is what you all have just described about how he was found.  It is hard for me to imagine Michael coming to rehearsals and doing his thing and then going home to become totally helpless & dependent on drugs and Conrad Murray.  That’s Jekyll and Hyde behavior.  I can’t even comprehend that.  Michael is very proud and particular about his appearance. I just don’t see him running home, up the stairs to bed, stripping naked and allowing anyone to render him unconscious with his children and other people in the house.  That just doesn’t feel right to me.  He looked good at that last practice. He was in good spirits.  It’s hard to believe that between then and the time of his supposed death he just gave over all of his power to Conrad Murray.  I cannot believe that.  If anything happened in that room that caused Michael not to be here, it was forced and that bloody shirt where ever it is is important in that.  Something just ain’t right.
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Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

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I simply wish that Michael Jackson could have had another life away from the cameras and the crowds.  I wish he had had a warm loving family who cared about him and not just his money.  I wish he had had real friends who would go through hell and high water to right the wrongs seen being done or attempted to be done to him.  I wish he had had a social life with friends to get his mind off of the business side of him 24-7. And I wish he had had caring staff who regardless of Michael’s eccentricities would have demanded that they be allowed to do their jobs, like watching out for him and being wary of anybody trying to do him harm.  I wish, I wish, I wish.  I am torn between the two theories, but last week was no ball game for me.  It broke my heart, even if it had to be done.  Hearing some of the stuff just made me sad and broke my spirit.  I don’t know what to believe anymore.  I simply don’t.

This times a million.  :cry:
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