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Michael Jackson trial highlights troubles and triumphs of pop star's last daysLOS ANGELES — Michael Jackson may have called the anesthetic propofol his “milk,” but rather than give him strength, it left him in such a vulnerable state that his urine was collected through a device for incontinent patients.That was one view of Jackson’s final days and the extreme measures he took in life to maintain his public image as a beautiful superstar, which were revealed in a six day hearing into his death that ended earlier this week.Other details were his wearing of a surgical cap while he slept to cover his balding scalp, and the numerous tubes of skin bleach cream he used to hide the disorder vitiligo, which causes a discoloration of the skin, from which he suffered.But for the man once dubbed Wacko Jacko in the media, there was a softer side revealed, too. He was depicted as a father who cared deeply for his three children, and even as he was hounded by paparazzi, he tried to give them a normal life.Tuesday this week, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor ordered Jackson’s doctor, Conrad Murray, to stand trial for involuntary manslaughter in the “Thriller” singer’s 2009 death due to an overdose mainly of propofol.The anesthetic is used in hospitals to sedate patients, but Jackson’s doctor has admitted to giving it to him at home as a sleep aid. One prosecution witness testified to some evidence Jackson might have drank it he would a glass of milk.At one point, Judge Pastor seemed puzzled over why Murray would make the unorthodox decision to administer — at Jackson’s request — propofol for sleeplessness, since the drug’s effects last only minutes.“Isn’t the person still sleep deprived?” Pastor asked Murray’s defense attorneys. “What purpose does it do to administer a dose that’s only going to keep the person asleep for five minutes?”Joseph Low, an attorney for Murray, responded that after Jackson had experienced over many years the adrenaline of performing for thousands of fans, he found it hard to sleep.“It’s difficult to come down off your own chemistry, if you will,” Low said. “The propofol doesn’t allow you to sleep ... but it at least allows you to get started.”NIGHT CAPEarlier in the hearing, witnesses testified to seeing a ”condom catheter” on Jackson as he lay motionless in his bed. That is a device to collect urine through a tube in patients without control of bodily functions, such as those under deep sedation, testified Dr. Richelle Cooper, the hospital physician who pronounced Jackson dead.Elissa Fleak, a coroner investigator, said she found a jug of urine on a chair when she combed through Jackson’s room.Paramedic Richard Senneff testified that Jackson was also wearing a surgical cap when emergency workers arrived at his bedroom. That may be because, as revealed earlier in Jackson’s autopsy report, he suffered from “frontal balding” and his hair was described as “sparse and connected to a wig.”Despite years of being maligned in the media for saying he suffered from skin discoloration disease vitiligo, when few believed that would be the reason for his changed skin color, the autopsy also disclosed that he did have the disease.In the preliminary hearing, it was revealed that to make his skin appear one color, he used huge amounts of skin cream.You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginThat part of MJ's room scenario speaks about long term bed patient existence over there. It does not sound Michael to me.
Quote from: "scorpionchik"Michael Jackson trial highlights troubles and triumphs of pop star's last daysLOS ANGELES — Michael Jackson may have called the anesthetic propofol his “milk,” but rather than give him strength, it left him in such a vulnerable state that his urine was collected through a device for incontinent patients.That was one view of Jackson’s final days and the extreme measures he took in life to maintain his public image as a beautiful superstar, which were revealed in a six day hearing into his death that ended earlier this week.Other details were his wearing of a surgical cap while he slept to cover his balding scalp, and the numerous tubes of skin bleach cream he used to hide the disorder vitiligo, which causes a discoloration of the skin, from which he suffered.But for the man once dubbed Wacko Jacko in the media, there was a softer side revealed, too. He was depicted as a father who cared deeply for his three children, and even as he was hounded by paparazzi, he tried to give them a normal life.Tuesday this week, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor ordered Jackson’s doctor, Conrad Murray, to stand trial for involuntary manslaughter in the “Thriller” singer’s 2009 death due to an overdose mainly of propofol.The anesthetic is used in hospitals to sedate patients, but Jackson’s doctor has admitted to giving it to him at home as a sleep aid. One prosecution witness testified to some evidence Jackson might have drank it he would a glass of milk.At one point, Judge Pastor seemed puzzled over why Murray would make the unorthodox decision to administer — at Jackson’s request — propofol for sleeplessness, since the drug’s effects last only minutes.“Isn’t the person still sleep deprived?” Pastor asked Murray’s defense attorneys. “What purpose does it do to administer a dose that’s only going to keep the person asleep for five minutes?”Joseph Low, an attorney for Murray, responded that after Jackson had experienced over many years the adrenaline of performing for thousands of fans, he found it hard to sleep.“It’s difficult to come down off your own chemistry, if you will,” Low said. “The propofol doesn’t allow you to sleep ... but it at least allows you to get started.”NIGHT CAPEarlier in the hearing, witnesses testified to seeing a ”condom catheter” on Jackson as he lay motionless in his bed. That is a device to collect urine through a tube in patients without control of bodily functions, such as those under deep sedation, testified Dr. Richelle Cooper, the hospital physician who pronounced Jackson dead.Elissa Fleak, a coroner investigator, said she found a jug of urine on a chair when she combed through Jackson’s room.Paramedic Richard Senneff testified that Jackson was also wearing a surgical cap when emergency workers arrived at his bedroom. That may be because, as revealed earlier in Jackson’s autopsy report, he suffered from “frontal balding” and his hair was described as “sparse and connected to a wig.”Despite years of being maligned in the media for saying he suffered from skin discoloration disease vitiligo, when few believed that would be the reason for his changed skin color, the autopsy also disclosed that he did have the disease.In the preliminary hearing, it was revealed that to make his skin appear one color, he used huge amounts of skin cream.You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginThat part of MJ's room scenario speaks about long term bed patient existence over there. It does not sound Michael to me.Ok, first of all, they said that Michael slept with a surgical cap, to hide his bald spot. That's how they found him. So tell me how come the ambulance picture Michael has hair? What they did do, put his wig on before the ambulance arrived? Instead of doing CPR they decided to fix Michael. Does not make sense. Secondly, if Murray adminstrated him propofol for 5 to 10 mins, why would he need a catheter? Usually catheters are needed for long term patients who cannot get out of bed, when the get operated and cannot get out of bed for several days. Or when a person is terminally ill. He is dying. So Michael was in good shape as per Ortega on June 24, so Michael is not ill. and for 10 mins or propofol does not need a catheter. I got informed by my doctor friend. This is his explaination. By the way by drinking propofol does not do the same effect as by intervenus. It does not do anything at all, just burns your stomach. I guess that's why he drank it with milk.
Quote from: "scorpionchik"Michael Jackson trial highlights troubles and triumphs of pop star's last daysLOS ANGELES — Michael Jackson may have called the anesthetic propofol his “milk,” but rather than give him strength, it left him in such a vulnerable state that his urine was collected through a device for incontinent patients.NIGHT CAPEarlier in the hearing, witnesses testified to seeing a ”condom catheter” on Jackson as he lay motionless in his bed. That is a device to collect urine through a tube in patients without control of bodily functions, such as those under deep sedation, testified Dr. Richelle Cooper, the hospital physician who pronounced Jackson dead.You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login ... story.html[/url]That part of MJ's room scenario speaks about long term bed patient existence over there. It does not sound Michael to me.Ok, first of all, they said that Michael slept with a surgical cap, to hide his bald spot. That's how they found him. So tell me how come the ambulance picture Michael has hair? What they did do, put his wig on before the ambulance arrived? Instead of doing CPR they decided to fix Michael. Does not make sense. Secondly, if Murray adminstrated him propofol for 5 to 10 mins, why would he need a catheter? Usually catheters are needed for long term patients who cannot get out of bed, when the get operated and cannot get out of bed for several days. Or when a person is terminally ill. He is dying. So Michael was in good shape as per Ortega on June 24, so Michael is not ill. and for 10 mins or propofol does not need a catheter. I got informed by my doctor friend. This is his explaination. By the way by drinking propofol does not do the same effect as by intervenus. It does not do anything at all, just burns your stomach. I guess that's why he drank it with milk.
Michael Jackson trial highlights troubles and triumphs of pop star's last daysLOS ANGELES — Michael Jackson may have called the anesthetic propofol his “milk,” but rather than give him strength, it left him in such a vulnerable state that his urine was collected through a device for incontinent patients.NIGHT CAPEarlier in the hearing, witnesses testified to seeing a ”condom catheter” on Jackson as he lay motionless in his bed. That is a device to collect urine through a tube in patients without control of bodily functions, such as those under deep sedation, testified Dr. Richelle Cooper, the hospital physician who pronounced Jackson dead.You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login ... story.html[/url]That part of MJ's room scenario speaks about long term bed patient existence over there. It does not sound Michael to me.
all4loveandbelieve wrote: scorpionchik wrote:Michael Jackson trial highlights troubles and triumphs of pop star's last daysLOS ANGELES — Michael Jackson may have called the anesthetic propofol his “milk,” but rather than give him strength, it left him in such a vulnerable state that his urine was collected through a device for incontinent patients.That was one view of Jackson’s final days and the extreme measures he took in life to maintain his public image as a beautiful superstar, which were revealed in a six day hearing into his death that ended earlier this week.Other details were his wearing of a surgical cap while he slept to cover his balding scalp, and the numerous tubes of skin bleach cream he used to hide the disorder vitiligo, which causes a discoloration of the skin, from which he suffered.But for the man once dubbed Wacko Jacko in the media, there was a softer side revealed, too. He was depicted as a father who cared deeply for his three children, and even as he was hounded by paparazzi, he tried to give them a normal life.Tuesday this week, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor ordered Jackson’s doctor, Conrad Murray, to stand trial for involuntary manslaughter in the “Thriller” singer’s 2009 death due to an overdose mainly of propofol.The anesthetic is used in hospitals to sedate patients, but Jackson’s doctor has admitted to giving it to him at home as a sleep aid. One prosecution witness testified to some evidence Jackson might have drank it he would a glass of milk.At one point, Judge Pastor seemed puzzled over why Murray would make the unorthodox decision to administer — at Jackson’s request — propofol for sleeplessness, since the drug’s effects last only minutes.“Isn’t the person still sleep deprived?” Pastor asked Murray’s defense attorneys. “What purpose does it do to administer a dose that’s only going to keep the person asleep for five minutes?”Joseph Low, an attorney for Murray, responded that after Jackson had experienced over many years the adrenaline of performing for thousands of fans, he found it hard to sleep.“It’s difficult to come down off your own chemistry, if you will,” Low said. “The propofol doesn’t allow you to sleep ... but it at least allows you to get started.”NIGHT CAPEarlier in the hearing, witnesses testified to seeing a ”condom catheter” on Jackson as he lay motionless in his bed. That is a device to collect urine through a tube in patients without control of bodily functions, such as those under deep sedation, testified Dr. Richelle Cooper, the hospital physician who pronounced Jackson dead.Elissa Fleak, a coroner investigator, said she found a jug of urine on a chair when she combed through Jackson’s room.Paramedic Richard Senneff testified that Jackson was also wearing a surgical cap when emergency workers arrived at his bedroom. That may be because, as revealed earlier in Jackson’s autopsy report, he suffered from “frontal balding” and his hair was described as “sparse and connected to a wig.”Despite years of being maligned in the media for saying he suffered from skin discoloration disease vitiligo, when few believed that would be the reason for his changed skin color, the autopsy also disclosed that he did have the disease.In the preliminary hearing, it was revealed that to make his skin appear one color, he used huge amounts of skin cream.You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login ... story.htmlThat part of MJ's room scenario speaks about long term bed patient existence over there. It does not sound Michael to me.Ok, first of all, they said that Michael slept with a surgical cap, to hide his bald spot. That's how they found him. So tell me how come the ambulance picture Michael has hair? What they did do, put his wig on before the ambulance arrived? Instead of doing CPR they decided to fix Michael. Does not make sense. Secondly, if Murray adminstrated him propofol for 5 to 10 mins, why would he need a catheter? Usually catheters are needed for long term patients who cannot get out of bed, when the get operated and cannot get out of bed for several days. Or when a person is terminally ill. He is dying. So Michael was in good shape as per Ortega on June 24, so Michael is not ill. and for 10 mins or propofol does not need a catheter. I got informed by my doctor friend. This is his explaination. By the way by drinking propofol does not do the same effect as by intervenus. It does not do anything at all, just burns your stomach. I guess that's why he drank it with milk.
wasn't there somewhere along the way , maybe very early even the mention of possible bed sores on this person? or did i make that up :? :lol:
Quote from: "suspicious mind"wasn't there somewhere along the way , maybe very early even the mention of possible bed sores on this person? or did i make that up :? :lol:I do believe you're right.
Quote from: "all4loveandbelieve"Quote from: "scorpionchik"Michael Jackson trial highlights troubles and triumphs of pop star's last daysLOS ANGELES — Michael Jackson may have called the anesthetic propofol his “milk,” but rather than give him strength, it left him in such a vulnerable state that his urine was collected through a device for incontinent patients.NIGHT CAPEarlier in the hearing, witnesses testified to seeing a ”condom catheter” on Jackson as he lay motionless in his bed. That is a device to collect urine through a tube in patients without control of bodily functions, such as those under deep sedation, testified Dr. Richelle Cooper, the hospital physician who pronounced Jackson dead.You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login ... story.html[/url]That part of MJ's room scenario speaks about long term bed patient existence over there. It does not sound Michael to me.Ok, first of all, they said that Michael slept with a surgical cap, to hide his bald spot. That's how they found him. So tell me how come the ambulance picture Michael has hair? What they did do, put his wig on before the ambulance arrived? Instead of doing CPR they decided to fix Michael. Does not make sense. Secondly, if Murray adminstrated him propofol for 5 to 10 mins, why would he need a catheter? Usually catheters are needed for long term patients who cannot get out of bed, when the get operated and cannot get out of bed for several days. Or when a person is terminally ill. He is dying. So Michael was in good shape as per Ortega on June 24, so Michael is not ill. and for 10 mins or propofol does not need a catheter. I got informed by my doctor friend. This is his explaination. By the way by drinking propofol does not do the same effect as by intervenus. It does not do anything at all, just burns your stomach. I guess that's why he drank it with milk.Right, that's why I say it looks like someone very ill, long term bed patient was in that room.Not Michael.
The condom catheter is mentioned in the AR. Presumably, the physicians at UCLA Med put that on him.
Yeahh, but all that catheter & urinating staff strongly reminds me of another Dr. Arnold K. loony remarks how MICHAEL always looking for cane instead of restroom on his office and everyone knows about that ...=(((Just Another Tabloid Trash!
Quote from: "encino_girl"Quote from: "suspicious mind"wasn't there somewhere along the way , maybe very early even the mention of possible bed sores on this person? or did i make that up :? :lol:I do believe you're right.There were no bedsores mentioned in the AR. AR Page 34 discolored indentations were found on his lower backsideAR Page 13Over the lower back are several 1/4-1/2 inch perimortem abrasions. (Comment: Scene photographs show beads on the bed).Perimortem - At, or near, the time of death