"BAM" SCENE ANALYSIS... one more time

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"BAM" SCENE ANALYSIS... one more time

  • on: January 17, 2011, 01:13:19 AM
As the hoax investigation countinues, I would like us to refresh thoughts of BAM scene in TII since I believe it is most bold episode. Actually it is not a clue, he directly explicates his thought.
I was watching again TII today on TV, got emotional again, then listen BAM scene again, as we know at the very end ot the documentary. All of a sudden I got an idea wish to discuss with all.
Here is it: apparently BAM scene is absolutely irrelevant, has nothing to do directly or indirectly with rehearsal itself. Unusual, impertinent episode that can be interpreted ambiguously though: 1. MJ is alive and it is a message from Michael to us "he is alive and will be back"; and 2. Michael is dead because was episode was used later on by evil people (AEG) as they got a hint that Michael is planning something.....escape, therefore they killed him  (through Murrey) before MJ could escape.
The Michael's wording "Let me breath my own time when I come back here...........", tells me he was tired, not prepared, and wanted to go away for some time. I also wonder why Ortega repeats every word after Michael.   :?:
So, the wording was understood by AEG and to prevent themselves from a scandal and keep profit they did whatever it takes calculating that documentary would bring them even more money than live concerts.

Or, fortunately, Michael was able to achieve hoax successfully and currently is fine and save. But then, when he will be BAM as he said? May things go not the way he expected after hoax and he won't be back? Your thoughts please.
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Re: "BAM" SCENE ANALYSIS... one more time

  • on: January 17, 2011, 05:08:18 AM
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BAM scene is absolutely irrelevant, has nothing to do directly or indirectly with rehearsal itself.

I know the bam scene is seen as a huge clue for many, and it may well be, but in the spirit of objectivity, I have to disagree that this scene is irrelevant for a rehearsal.

It could be just as it appears - and how I saw it when I first watched the film -  an abrupt pause in the song (I think it was Human Nature). MJ pauses in many of his performances both for dramatic effect and to allow him to get his breath back. He says that in the pause he plans to button his shirt, jacket whatever, and play with the audience. We know how just standing there sends audiences wild - he knows full well what messing with his clothes or snapping his fingers would do! And the Bam pointing pose is the cue for the music to start again.

It could be as simple as that! So that's why it's not on my list of reasons why I think MJ's alive.
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Re: "BAM" SCENE ANALYSIS... one more time

  • on: January 17, 2011, 05:16:03 AM
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BAM scene is absolutely irrelevant, has nothing to do directly or indirectly with rehearsal itself.

I know the bam scene is seen as a huge clue for many, and it may well be, but in the spirit of objectivity, I have to disagree that this scene is irrelevant for a rehearsal.

It could be just as it appears - and how I saw it when I first watched the film -  an abrupt pause in the song (I think it was Human Nature). MJ pauses in many of his performances both for dramatic effect and to allow him to get his breath back. He says that in the pause he plans to button his shirt, jacket whatever, and play with the audience. We know how just standing there sends audiences wild - he knows full well what messing with his clothes or snapping his fingers would do! And the Bam pointing pose is the cue for the music to start again.

It could be as simple as that! So that's why it's not on my list of reasons why I think MJ's alive.
I agree. The beauty and difficulty of discerning this is a death hoax, is that individual proofs could be taken another way and not really verifying it. But taken all together by the hundreds/thousands these "dots" and "follow the dots" make a clear undeniable hoax picture, for all those who spend the time to research and discover it.
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Re: "BAM" SCENE ANALYSIS... one more time

  • on: January 17, 2011, 05:26:16 AM
or could be an extension of Smooth criminal and where made to believe it a bam scene  :lol:
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Re: "BAM" SCENE ANALYSIS... one more time

  • on: January 17, 2011, 05:38:22 AM
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BAM scene is absolutely irrelevant, has nothing to do directly or indirectly with rehearsal itself.

I know the bam scene is seen as a huge clue for many, and it may well be, but in the spirit of objectivity, I have to disagree that this scene is irrelevant for a rehearsal.

It could be just as it appears - and how I saw it when I first watched the film -  an abrupt pause in the song (I think it was Human Nature). MJ pauses in many of his performances both for dramatic effect and to allow him to get his breath back. He says that in the pause he plans to button his shirt, jacket whatever, and play with the audience. We know how just standing there sends audiences wild - he knows full well what messing with his clothes or snapping his fingers would do! And the Bam pointing pose is the cue for the music to start again.

It could be as simple as that! So that's why it's not on my list of reasons why I think MJ's alive.
Not the scene itself, but the fact that it's there after the credits is for me.
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Re: "BAM" SCENE ANALYSIS... one more time

  • on: January 17, 2011, 06:58:50 AM
Same here Souza,it seemed an odd choice for the end of the end!
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Re: "BAM" SCENE ANALYSIS... one more time

  • on: January 17, 2011, 07:26:04 AM
I, like everyone else in the theatre, thought the film had finished...and as many got up and left the cinema, there were a few of us still seated, crying and I believe that it was meant for only those dedicated fans to see, and it took me by surprise.  I couldn't believe that there was more to the film, because as usual, many people had already left.

So, for that reason, I think it was strategically placed at the end of the credits, to relay a message to the real fans.......

Regardless of when that scene was taped, it was strategically placed after the credits to arouse suspicion, and that was achieved.  God bless.
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Re: "BAM" SCENE ANALYSIS... one more time

  • on: January 17, 2011, 07:27:54 AM
I would tend to agree but, lots of films have extra bits after the credits so its not exactly unusual, but who knows.
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Re: "BAM" SCENE ANALYSIS... one more time

  • on: January 17, 2011, 08:12:31 AM
Yes, thanks Souza for pointing that out, my sentiments exactly. It's not the scene itself, I mean if it was shown during the movie we would probably still be looking into it, but no where near as much as the fact that it's positioned right after the credits. The question is, why put it there? Why put any scene there? Is there a reason this clip has been hidden from us until the very end? It raises many sorts of questions like these. Until we actually get a BAM, I guess we'll really know nothing for sure but to me, without investigating the clip, I liken it to a clue given it's placement and position.
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Re: "BAM" SCENE ANALYSIS... one more time

  • on: January 17, 2011, 09:44:35 AM
I never believed in that final scene!

Simply because to me, that's not Michael Jackson! If you look closely you might notice that it was just a look-alike Pak!

 So ... for me ... it was planted deliberately to mislead us and give the talk.

Am I crazy?? Maybe yes, but it is my opinion! :roll:  :roll:
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Re: "BAM" SCENE ANALYSIS... one more time

  • on: January 17, 2011, 01:45:46 PM
i still cant figure out why this cliffhanger was placed at the end, except that there is more to come.  this part is from the human nature song, (reaching out ), he usually pauses there, and maybe he was explaining to them to stop, let him take his time, and then, bam on his que start the music back up (into the nite time).  i watched it last night and i noticed frank dileo was co producer, never noticed that before. with that being said, THIS IS IT was definately meant to be a MOVIE, and i counted at least 4 cameras being used in one song.
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Re: "BAM" SCENE ANALYSIS... one more time

  • on: January 17, 2011, 02:07:17 PM
If Michael is really dead (which I do believe he isn't) the person who deliberately put that scene at the end of the film to set the hoax in motion - should hang on the nearest tree!  :evil:  :x
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Re: "BAM" SCENE ANALYSIS... one more time

  • on: January 17, 2011, 02:21:37 PM
I think that scene was relevant for rehearsal because Michael knows how excited people get just watching him standing there, doing nothing.  It reminds me of when he would first come on stage wearing his sunglasses, and just stand there for several seconds, maybe even minutes.  Then he would finally take them off, do a quick head jerk (or maybe that was before taking the glasses off), and then finally after several minutes, the show would start.  Like the start of Smooth Criminal, I think the unbuttoning of the jacket is more "sizzling".

Now from a hoax standpoint, I think it is likely a clue since it was purposely added at the very, very end of the movie.
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Re: "BAM" SCENE ANALYSIS... one more time

  • on: January 17, 2011, 02:24:32 PM
What if AEG put that there after killing Michael so we believe that Michael is alive, taking his time out, and will be back since he said: "Let me breath my own time..When I come back here......". By the way the wording sounds like has nothing to do with cue to restart the music.
Don't think I started believe MJ is dead. It is the way to get the truth, analysing all cons and pros, both possibilities- dead or alive. One thing is fact, the scene is there for reason.
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Re: "BAM" SCENE ANALYSIS... one more time

  • on: January 17, 2011, 02:34:36 PM
has anyone ever watched it with subtitels?? there it's not "breathe" but "bathe"  :?:
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Re: "BAM" SCENE ANALYSIS... one more time

  • on: January 17, 2011, 02:38:09 PM
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has anyone ever watched it with subtitels?? there it's not "breathe" but "bathe"  :?:

No way. For real? Why would Michael come back after bathe. Is he taking bath once for a while?  :lol:
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Re: "BAM" SCENE ANALYSIS... one more time

  • on: January 17, 2011, 02:39:06 PM
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has anyone ever watched it with subtitels?? there it's not "breathe" but "bathe"  :?:

No way. For real? Why would Michael come back after bathe. Is he taking bath once for a while?  :lol:
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Re: "BAM" SCENE ANALYSIS... one more time

  • on: January 17, 2011, 03:00:26 PM
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What if AEG put that there after killing Michael so we believe that Michael is alive, taking his time out, and will be back since he said: "Let me breath my own time..When I come back here......". By the way the wording sounds like has nothing to do with cue to restart the music.
Don't think I started believe MJ is dead. It is the way to get the truth, analysing all cons and pros, both possibilities- dead or alive. One thing is fact, the scene is there for reason.


Although I also still think Michael is alive, if AEG and/or SONY did murder him, then I think they put that scene in the movie to feed the hoax idea, and hopefully create more interest in fans to buy the forthcoming DVD.  There is no doubt in my mind that people from these companies are watching the hoax sites.  I also wouldn't be surprised if some of these people are even posing as believers and posting on here.
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Re: "BAM" SCENE ANALYSIS... one more time

  • on: January 17, 2011, 03:21:38 PM
You know what the BAM scene is???

Its MJ rehearsing "BILLIE JEAN".   8-)   Simples.
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Re: "BAM" SCENE ANALYSIS... one more time

  • on: January 17, 2011, 04:29:20 PM
Ok you've all made me go and watch it again (with subtitles)! It goes like this:

Human Nature is playing over final credits and stops abruptly at 'Looking out...(bam)'
Cut to MJ on stage.
MJ: There should be a break there.
KO: Yeah, we gotta work that out.
MJ: Have it right there okay?
KO: Yeah, we gotta work that one out (subtitles say this, but I only hear mumbling!)
MJ: Let me bathe in my own time when I come back in.
KO: Yeah, you got it.
MJ: I'm gonna button my shirt or my jacket or whatever it is. (KO mumbling something about 'come back in' over this bit)
MJ: I'm gonna look around a little bit, play with them. Snap my fingers maybe, then bam!
Cut to Earth Girl.

In the Human Nature section of the film (which incidentally I found one of the most odd in the film) it has this pause too after 'looking out...', but he just waits a few seconds before singing '.... across the morning'. No buttoning his shirt, looking round, playing or snapping fingers here! Interesting that they save that bit for the very end when most people won't see it.

Also there is no music till after he's sung '... across the morning', so my theory that the pointing bam pose was a cue for music, is rubbish! The musicians would simply use him singing again as their cue.

DancingTheDream, what makes you think this was a rehearsal for Billie Jean rather than Human Nature?
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Re: "BAM" SCENE ANALYSIS... one more time

  • on: January 17, 2011, 05:49:33 PM
He is rehearsing for Billie Jean.

Thats what he does for Billie Jean.   The light comes on.   He plays with his jacket, his clothes...  he comes in his own time..  and then does the Billie Jean solo dance routine.
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Re: "BAM" SCENE ANALYSIS... one more time

  • on: January 17, 2011, 06:27:06 PM
That's funny DancingTheDream, because Billie Jean is the other section of TII that I'm very uncomfortable with!

I felt the bam scene followed on from the music that was being played before it, i.e. Human Nature, but you could be right about Billie Jean. I have to say though that I always feel he's in his own world at the start of BJ performances, that he's sort of going through his own routine, setting the scene etc, with his clothes as props, rather than playing to the audience as he appears to be in the bam scene.

Who knows?!!
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Re: "BAM" SCENE ANALYSIS... one more time

  • on: January 17, 2011, 08:04:15 PM
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He is rehearsing for Billie Jean.

Thats what he does for Billie Jean.   The light comes on.   He plays with his jacket, his clothes...  he comes in his own time..  and then does the Billie Jean solo dance routine.

But Billie Jean rehearsal was in the middle of the documentary completed. You mean that episode of BJ producer cut and separately put at the end of the film? What for? So, it is not a clue and nothing then?  :?  
But the wording has nothing to do with BJ or Human Nature........
 @ curls      Are you sure MJ says "bathe" instead of "breath"?
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Re: "BAM" SCENE ANALYSIS... one more time

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Re: "BAM" SCENE ANALYSIS... one more time

  • on: January 17, 2011, 09:57:37 PM
One more thing (or mb its just me) - isnt visual resolution of that particular Bam scene is VEry Poor, compare to Whole movie??  --  which was playing on IMAX 3D !!! Theatre, dont forget its requared VEry Special hi-definition camera for shooting to be able to play on 3D.
To the point, that dark EMTHY /SILEND stage and bloory visual content make me feel it was shooting NOT during TII reversals BUT SEPARETLY - Before or After ;) the movie was done - just to complete actual subliminal deliborated message .

P.S. Just 2 complete Kenny O  "On It" status - friend of my accidently meet him on dinner place last sept. near Santa Inez, and witnessed how some  die-hard fans loosing their nerve and shoot him "murder!" - he shooted back "u dont understand it - i am his best friend!".
So, just two Actual cents about it ...
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