Hoax overview-Discussion and opinions?

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Hoax overview-Discussion and opinions?

  • on: February 02, 2011, 08:54:07 AM
Here are just some of my thoughts about the Michael and the Hoax in itself. I have more personal opinions/theories on how things are unfolding, but I have to go to work. LOL. Let's keep this discussion going:

Memorial:
Where was/is Diana Ross?
Paris didn't show real tears, nor did the family (minus Katherine)

If one of my family members passed away, I would show REAL emotion/sensitivity camera or no camera.

Michael (Album):

Of course there's the huge controversy whether or not MJ sung the songs. The only speculation I have is that, if he recorded hundreds of songs, why would they put "The Way You Love Me" in the album. This album was completely suppose to be "unheard" material from MJ. Clearly, the song was already in the Ultimate Collection CD from 2004

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ultima ... kson_album)


Pepsi Commerical:
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Captain EO:

For years, the attraction at Disney no longer existed. Due to high demand (after his "Death" of course), they reopened the attraction, and it's popular again. Did Michael envision if he "faked" his death, he could generate more reveune in all aspects. In this case, reclaiming his throne at Disney.

Janet:

She's known for keeping secrets and remaining private (marriage/divorce to Rene Elizondo). She didn't cry at the memorial, the MTV tribute, Primetime interview, not even at the BET Awards. Her first love is acting. Where's her OSCAR at? LOL


This Is It:

The song wasn't coincidental for the film, it was all planned.

The dancers were already chosen before auditions. Being a dancer, I know that they're all connected through each other and......(KENNY ORTEGA and JANET JACKSON)


Tony Testa (assistant choreographer) - Janet Jackson dancer (20 Years Old era). Danced for Kenny Ortega
Misha Gabriel - Janet Jackson co-choreographer/dancer - FRIENDS WITH TONY TESTA
Nick Bass - Janet Jackson videos and tour
Dres Reid - Janet Jackson video (So Excited)
Devin Jamieson - dancer for BOA (Nick Bass & Misha Gabriel Choreography)
Charles "Chucky" Klapow - helped choreograph High School Musical (wait a minute, that movie is directed by Kenny Ortega)
Tyne Stecklein  - High School Musical PRINCIPAL DANCER - choreographed by Kenny Ortega
Mekia Cox - Kenny Ortega dancer and a good ACTRESS lol.
Shannon Holtzapffel - danced for Christina Aguilera (So Did Dres Reid...........see the connection?)
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Re: I Think I May Be On To Something

  • on: February 02, 2011, 09:50:30 AM
As those are all facts/questions that already exist and your own opinions,I am re-naming your thread so it is more clear.

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Re: Hoax overview-Discussion and opinions?

  • on: February 03, 2011, 01:58:10 PM
damn.  Tonight I'm so nervous on MJ; someone is playing with our minds and not take it anymore. I want to know "the truth"
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Re: Hoax overview-Discussion and opinions?

  • on: February 03, 2011, 02:37:22 PM
Why tonight?
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Re: Hoax overview-Discussion and opinions?

  • on: February 03, 2011, 02:39:19 PM
Yeah, why tonight ?

Share with us  :D
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Re: Hoax overview-Discussion and opinions?

  • on: February 03, 2011, 04:38:55 PM
What's happening tonight???
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Re: Hoax overview-Discussion and opinions?

  • on: September 29, 2011, 12:52:14 AM
Lemme add my 2 cents here, I've been following Michael Jackson's death...err "hoax" for years now. Friends love to say I'm one of those conspiracy nutjobs since I have tons of books on 9/11, JFK etc.

Watching this circus on tv, some things caught my attention:

My mother died from cancer back in 1996. She died at home with us. When she died, my father called 911. He told them my mom had passed. They sent a responder over, pronounced her dead, then they called the coroner.

During the trial today, it was made clear that Michael had died at home, he was already dead before 911 was called. His security expressed that today. His kids were in the hallway, crying, and he said Michael was in bed with his eyes wide open and his mouth slightly open.
The 911 tape states that he was NOT breathing.
The EMTS that responded to the call would have went to his room, did a vital check ( if they thought for a second he was still possibly breathing) , if he was already dead before they arrived, they would have pronounced him dead at the scene, called the coroner van, his body would have been put into a body bag and taken to the coroner's office. there would NOT have been an ambulance transporting his body....IF he was dead before they arrived. I haven't seen this point made yet anywhere.
They show "Michael" in the ambulance. With an air tube taped on his mouth. Security said he was DEAD before 911 was called. These stories are conflicting.
having experienced first hand a death at home scenario, this is not normal protocol to "transport" a "dead" body in an ambulance.
some can argue..wait, he was still alive in the ambulance, and died 2 HOURS later at the hospital...but what hospital tries to resuscitate a person for 2 HOURS? If he died before 911 was called, then he died around 1145 -1200 noon pst. Jermaine made the statement that he passed at around 230 pst. I'm sorry, I don't believe these stories.
We are all being punk'd.
So my questions are:

1. IF Michael died at home, why was he transported by ambulance and not by the coroner's van?
2. If he died at the hospital, why did it take over 2 hours to pronounce him dead?
3. Why did the head of security say he was already dead before 911 was called?
4. How many members of his family know he IS alive?
5. If Dr Murray was his doctor for 3 years, how come we never heard of him before his death?

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Re: Hoax overview-Discussion and opinions?

  • on: September 29, 2011, 01:07:28 AM
Hi fatalkiss. First let me apologise if I can't string a coherent sentence together, it's from no sleep. With regard to your question, the same thing happened to myself just like your experience with your mother.  My father died at home from cancer in 1997. However, the difference here is that Murray, being a doctor, had the higher authority and wouldn't call the time of the death. So they were obliged to take them to the the hospital. So it's a question of authority here, as a doctor is a higher authority than an EMT

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Re: Hoax overview-Discussion and opinions?

  • on: September 29, 2011, 09:10:40 AM
Hi fatalkiss. First let me apologise if I can't string a coherent sentence together, it's from no sleep. With regard to your question, the same thing happened to myself just like your experience with your mother.  My father died at home from cancer in 1997. However, the difference here is that Murray, being a doctor, had the higher authority and wouldn't call the time of the death. So they were obliged to take them to the the hospital. So it's a question of authority here, as a doctor is a higher authority than an EMT


We share a common bond in losing a loved one at home (my Mother in 1988) so I am unfortunately aware of the same normal protocols that this situation requires.  I agree about the Dr. on scene being the overriding authority that allowed the transport to the hospital to take place...but as fatalkiss26 mentioned above...even then how/why would it take the hospital over 2 hours to make the final pronouncement (TOD)? 

From what I've read in statements...the hospital had already given the paramedics permission to "call it" in the field...so the transport to the hospital was merely a "courtesy" for further confirmation I would think.  It's not like the clock can be restarted or backed up closer to the "fatal event" having begun...which would mean that there was a less likely chance for any resuscitation efforts to be successful.  I don't care who you are (even MJ)...there are only so many things that are physically possible within certain time parameters for resuscitation to be accomplished in an effective manner.  The "delay" made sense a bit when the rumor was that the patient was comatose...but the more I hear in details from the scene at Carolwood, it seems like the hours passing between arrival to the hospital and final pronouncement must have been needed for something else. ;)    
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Re: Hoax overview-Discussion and opinions?

  • on: September 30, 2011, 04:03:02 PM
as we find out more and more, he was already dead before the paramedics got there....so now it makes you wonder about the stories we are being fed...nothing is adding up.

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Re: Hoax overview-Discussion and opinions?

  • on: September 30, 2011, 04:34:34 PM
That's for sure, whoever died that day was dead for quite some time, funny with all the
relaxed Murray's phone calls and "couple minutes in bathroom" - either he's very much
involved or he is one fool of a doctor who was elsewhere for ..quite some time!,
 knowing nothing about where his patient is and what's going on. We'll learn more.  8)

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Re: Hoax overview-Discussion and opinions?

  • on: September 30, 2011, 09:24:56 PM
Hi fatalkiss. First let me apologise if I can't string a coherent sentence together, it's from no sleep. With regard to your question, the same thing happened to myself just like your experience with your mother.  My father died at home from cancer in 1997. However, the difference here is that Murray, being a doctor, had the higher authority and wouldn't call the time of the death. So they were obliged to take them to the the hospital. So it's a question of authority here, as a doctor is a higher authority than an EMT


We share a common bond in losing a loved one at home (my Mother in 1988) so I am unfortunately aware of the same normal protocols that this situation requires.  I agree about the Dr. on scene being the overriding authority that allowed the transport to the hospital to take place...but as fatalkiss26 mentioned above...even then how/why would it take the hospital over 2 hours to make the final pronouncement (TOD)? 

From what I've read in statements...the hospital had already given the paramedics permission to "call it" in the field...so the transport to the hospital was merely a "courtesy" for further confirmation I would think.  It's not like the clock can be restarted or backed up closer to the "fatal event" having begun...which would mean that there was a less likely chance for any resuscitation efforts to be successful.  I don't care who you are (even MJ)...there are only so many things that are physically possible within certain time parameters for resuscitation to be accomplished in an effective manner.  The "delay" made sense a bit when the rumor was that the patient was comatose...but the more I hear in details from the scene at Carolwood, it seems like the hours passing between arrival to the hospital and final pronouncement must have been needed for something else.  ;)   

 
 
Richard A. Senneff said MJ was already dead when he arrived at the scene - but they tried to resuscitate him for 47 minutes without success .... almost an hour in the house to try and revive him

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Re: Hoax overview-Discussion and opinions?

  • on: September 30, 2011, 09:35:57 PM
Richard A. Senneff said MJ was already dead when he arrived at the scene - but they tried to resuscitate him for 47 minutes without success .... almost an hour in the house to try and revive him

Was dr. Murray that high authority?  It's so very strange, 47 minutes over a dead cold body
everyone knows is dead, because Dr. told them to. All to "calm him [dr.] down" or what.
What a mess  :mrgreen:
Or is it to fill Elvis script?  elvis_/ sorry. But it's weird anyway, though we need some other
paramedic opinion on what they should or shouldn't do in a situation like that.

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Re: Hoax overview-Discussion and opinions?

  • on: September 30, 2011, 09:56:49 PM
Could Dr. Murray have been telling the truth when he started mouth to mouth....saying "he's my friend".........
was this a person that did die that day, a patient?  Someone he was treating that agreed to go on hospice and die as MJ?  The only thing with this whole thought are the numbers.....there are too many "coincidences"......just thinking out loud here..........




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