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The only person who has said MJ was needle-phobic was Dr Klein...     not sure of his credibility.


yeah it is unfortunate that there isn't a better source. i would think though that debbie would have the ansewer to this question.
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Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

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The video doesnt have nothing to do with the hoax. it was a deposition, and he was serious when said that. And the reason he didnt look so good is because this was taken right after 2005 trail
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About 1:45 into this video there is a very distinct change of people. Michael's voice changes. The first one in the more black shirt does not seem to be Michael to me and then BAM you have the change over to the Michael we all know. There is a break up in the video for a split second and we seem to see 2 overlapping totally different interviews and Michaels. That first one keeps acting like he's being careful not to let something slip out of his mouth, be it false teeth or a partial...a removable implant...something is wrong here.

The first part of the tape is filmed between 2:04 & 2:06 pm on September 23, 2005. At about  1:45 into the video it has been spliced and  and a crossfade animation has been used, there may have been a small section of video edited out. There is a timer on the left hand of the screen which is not there for a few seconds after this point. It isn't 2 different people imo, Michael is just being careful how he answers the questions being posed to him. The tape is then split again at about 1:47, as if the camera was turned off or something and then turned back on between 3:19 & 3:20 pm  September 23, 2005 and the timer is started again.

This is all Michael and not two totally different interviews. Michael wouldn't be trusting an impersonator to answer questions in a deposition. I am wondering how these depositions are appearing on youtube in the first place. Are these videos accessed through the freedom of information act or are they being leaked?
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The video doesnt have nothing to do with the hoax. it was a deposition, and he was serious when said that. And the reason he didnt look so good is because this was taken right after 2005 trail
Doesn't look good? :oops: I love this man without makeup.
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The video doesnt have nothing to do with the hoax. it was a deposition, and he was serious when said that. And the reason he didnt look so good is because this was taken right after 2005 trail
Doesn't look good? :oops: I love this man without makeup.
i meant psychically
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The video doesnt have nothing to do with the hoax. it was a deposition, and he was serious when said that. And the reason he didnt look so good is because this was taken right after 2005 trail
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Who said he doesen't look good???? OMG I think he looked awesome,Michael is a very hansome "human being"  8-)  :D .
And clearly you are the one who doesen't see,he is laughing in this called"deposition",lol.He had a very good time ,you can see the way he is acting,  :lol:  :lol: ,he is a very good actor.
Ya I'm sure he was leasing the neighbours cows, for him to have money for shopping  :lol:  :lol: .Michael is a rich men and beside doing business with cows  :lol: I'm sure he has many more business than that.
Wait a minute if I remember correct ,after trial in june 2005, didn't he went in Bahrain??? So what was he doing in London in september??????
MMMM Something it's strange here,and I think that Marc Scaffel is involved in this...


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The video doesnt have nothing to do with the hoax. it was a deposition, and he was serious when said that. And the reason he didnt look so good is because this was taken right after 2005 trail
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Who said he doesen't look good????

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I said he didn't look good imho, he was mentally and physically  drained from that dumb trail. I dont thinks its funny.  What makes you believe he was acting? You can't lie or act in a deposition . And the reason this isn't funny to me because he still battling tons of lawsuits after trail. It was a very depressing year for him
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Quote from: "applehead250609"
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The video doesnt have nothing to do with the hoax. it was a deposition, and he was serious when said that. And the reason he didnt look so good is because this was taken right after 2005 trail
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Who said he doesen't look good???? OMG I think he looked awesome,Michael is a very hansome "human being"  8-)  :D .
And clearly you are the one who doesen't see,he is laughing in this called"deposition",lol.He had a very good time ,you can see the way he is acting,  :lol:  :lol: ,he is a very good actor.
Ya I'm sure he was leasing the neighbours cows, for him to have money for shopping  :lol:  :lol: .Michael is a rich men and beside doing business with cows  :lol: I'm sure he has many more business than that.
Wait a minute if I remember correct ,after trial in june 2005, didn't he went in Bahrain??? So what was he doing in London in september??????
MMMM Something it's strange here,and I think that Marc Scaffel is involved in this...


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    * September 23:

Michael is at the Dorchester Hotel in London to give a deposition for Marc Schaffel’s suit. He’s accompanied by his lawyers Thomas Mesereau & Michael Sydow while Schaffel is accompanied by his lawyer Howard King & Dieter Wiesner.

   * October 18:

Michael & his entourage leave London .

   * October 20:

Michael has once again been summoned to appear in court – but this time as a juror. Thomas Mesereau informs that Michael won’t be be able to attend because he’s seeking permanent resident in Bahrain

   * October 27:

Michael’s lawyer Brent Ayscough confirms that Michael has filed a counter suit against Marc Schaffel , accusing him of concealing and misappropriating funds and he has also settled a lawsuit filed by an antiques dealer who alleged he had not fully paid for $380,000 worth of goods.

While in Barhain, Michael coordinates the recording of FTBOMH in Los Angeles with artists such as R Kelly. The O'Jays, Snoop Dogg, Ciara, Shirley Caesar, James Ingram et Babyface. He also renames the song I Have A Dream.
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Michael Jackson Pleads for Money on Tapes
Two Former Advisors File Complaints Against Jackson
Nov. 22, 2005

ABC News has obtained phone messages placed by Michael Jackson to a former adviser who has filed a lawsuit against the pop star.

Marc Schaffel is suing Jackson for $3 million, claiming he was unpaid $800,000 for his work on two television specials and $2.3 million in payments and loans over a number of years.

Jackson countersued Schaffel, saying he is the one who is owed money.

On he tapes obtained by ABC News, Jackson is the one pleading for money.

"Hello Marc, it's Michael," one message to Schaffel begins. "Please, please never let me down. I really like you. I love you … Mark, I really need you to get … $7 million for me as soon as possible … Seven, seven and a half, umm, as an advance."

Schaffel says for over two years he was an adviser for and close confidant of Jackson. According to Schaffel, Jackson's bankers placed restrictions on the singer, so the star would use middle men like Schaffel to access his own money and arrange various loans.

ABC News has learned another former adviser to Jackson named Dieter Wiesner filed a civil complaint against Jackson in Los Angeles on Monday for $64 million.

"He uses people like Marc Schaffel and whoever he's currently using to get around the restrictions on his current financing," said Howard King, Schaffel's attorney.

Schaffel said Jackson often required large amounts of cash and sometimes he requested it in code. He said the money supported Jackson's lifestyle.

"You go to a restaurant, you have to close the whole restaurant down for the day, you know, pay for the entire day's receipts in the restaurant so that he can go in and enjoy a quiet meal," Schaffel said.

Schaffel said he once delivered $100,000 to Jackson in an Arby's fast food bag.

"When he wanted large amounts, he would call and say 'supersize them,'" Schaffel said. "The smaller amounts. The bigger ones went in duffle bags."

In 2003, Jackson turned to Schaffel to plan a response to the allegations that Jackson had had an improper relationship with a young cancer survivor. Later, Schaffel was named as an unindicted co-conspirator in the California criminal prosecution of Jackson.

Schaffel says he has hundreds of voice mail messages from Jackson from 2001 to 2003 that show the nature of his relationship, including Jackson's darker side.

"Michael will yell at you, Michael will punish you, maybe not let you do something," Schaffel said.

Schaffel's relationship ended just before Jackson's most recent criminal problems. Schaffel said he is not surprised that since Jackson's acquittal, Jackson has relocated to Bahrain, because it fits Jackson's pattern of looking for a new friend.

Jackson attorney Tom Mesereau told ABC News, "When the jury hears the evidence, they will know Schaffel isn't owed anything." Mesereau said he would not comment on the content of the tapes and could not comment on the Weisner lawsuit until he had seen it.
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Michael Jackson Files Cross-Complaint Against Marc Schaffel
Claims Marc Schaffel concealed funds
Thursday, October 27, 2005

Michael Jackson has accused former business associate Marc Schaffel (who is currently suing him for $3 million) of concealing and misappropriating funds

A cross-complaint was filed October 18th by Michael's attorney Brent Ayscough according to the Associated Press. The document claims Schaffel failed to pay costs for the production of the charity single What More Can I Give and also represented himself as associated with Michael after their business relationship had ended.

The complaint also states Schaffel kept $250,000 worth of sculptures and paintings that belonged to Michael.

Schaffel's attorney has dismissed the claim and is pursuing the original lawsuit that claims his client was unpaid $800,000 for his work on two television specials and $2.3 million in payments and loans over a number of years.
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Michael Jackson Counter Suit Against Marc Shaffel
10-30-2005

Michael Jackson on Wednesday counter-sued former aide, Marc Schaffel, for allegedly concealing and misappropriating over $1 million dollars.

Schaffel sued Michael in November, 2004, attempting to receive more than $3 million in allegedly unpaid loans and other debts.

In Michael's cross - complaint, he contends that he entered into a written agreement with Schaffel in August 2001 to produce "What More Can I Give?" Schaffel also registered a business titled Neverland Valley Entertainment, apparently referencing Neverland Ranch. The proceeds, after operating expenses and a royalty for Schaffel who agreed to pay for all costs, were to go directly to charity according to the counter suit.

According to Michael's suit, Schaffel failed to pay production costs. Following that, Michael learned that Schaffel had produced and directed 400 porn films using different aliases and promptly fired him from the project in 2001. According to court papers, Michael did not want Schaffel's other occupations to cast an unsavory pall over the production.

According to the counter suit, after the agreement ended, Schaffel falsely represented himself as being affiliated with Michael. He received a large fee plus expenses from Music Fighters Co. in Japan without reporting the gain to Michael.

The cross - complaint alleges that Schaffel "concealed funds, comingled funds, misappropriated funds, charged expenses for maters un-related to the agreement, provided false books of account and ...wrongfully profited..

In addition to all of this, Michael also claims that Schaffel kept $250,000 in sculptures and paintings from artist Romero Britto in n 2003 that were supposed to be delivered to Michael.

Shaffel's claims that Michael owed him large amounts of money have failed in two attempts to get a prejudgement attachment lien placed on Neverland Ranch.
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what a freakin' mess !!!!   by the way , did anyone else see the 02 guy in that little flash of raised eyebrows he gave that guy?
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Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

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by applehead250609 » Mon Jan 31, 2011 2:42 pm
Supervision wrote:
LAPD Robbery Homicide Detective Orlando Martinez testified about an interview he conducted with Dr. Murray two days after MJ died. Martinez said Murray told him the night before Jackson died he was having trouble sleeping. Murray said he was trying to ween Jackson off of Propofol -- a drug he was giving MJ almost every night for two months.

Supervision wrote:
O.k. but I wonder, if MJ was really a propofol addict, and that was his bedtime milk to go to sleep , then who was administering this anesthesia to MJ each and every time he needed it, prior to Doc.Murry's appearance in MJ's life?

The answer to this question perhaps may indicate, that MJ was/may have been trained to administer this drug to himself, if that is the only way he was accustomed to battle his insomnia bouts..  

Or could it be, that our MJ was in the habit of making a nightly cocktail for himself, with lacing this drug with his fave juice?  (the Juice Box tale per defense?)  

That would have been a gross move on MJ's part for sure , to use an intravenous drug in that way?

Too many questions ..but it seems more and more,
it is MJ himself who is /will be standing trial here once again rather than Murry.
PITY.
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by applehead250609 » Mon Jan 31, 2011 2:42 pm

Hello Supervision!!!

Talking about ilussion,becoming reality lol  I'm sure that Michael likes MILK very much  ,very ,very much and he drinks alot before he goes to sleep.I'm doing the same but mixt with HONEY .So anyway he must like milk ,and I'm not talking about propofol here  ,since he had leasing the cows from Neverland,for CASH    .Lucky Michael,lol always fresh Milk for him every day    .


Mj is leasing the cows for cash!

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Hello Supervision!!!

Hello yourself..  Applehead250609!![/color]
 :lol:  :lol:

LOL this a..hole idiot of an  attorney  was all set to go fishing on genius Mike , as if genius was going to sit there and  hold him down all day and night, and recite to  him where he really  kept  all his  piggy banks ;)  :roll: .

Check it out:

Attorney Fisher:
so were does your money come from.? :roll:  :roll: .

 Genius:  "OLd Mcdonald had a farm..
and on his farm he had
..'. :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
 
Attorney Fisher:
How do you know he got paid? :roll:  :roll: ' ;)
 Genius:

Because he was always happy
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haha! :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Now, after this testimony by Genius,  all Mr. Fisher had to do was call the Cows for a grilling  deposition.. :lol:  :lol:
since he said, he really doesn't have to believe the Moo MOO story told him by Genius. :lol:  :lol: ..

Well,..Applehead ..you have more than made your point, since I now have heard it  from the Man's mouth..
seems like to me ,
Mike is saying .
He  Got MILK :lol:  :lol:  

 and yes,just like you applehead,
..I am also not talking about Propofol here. :roll: . :lol:  :lol:
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thanks for posting this vid ...LOL.. ILMHO  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
and yes Mike looked composed and very adorable.. :)
Peace.
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Ha ha  for the milk :lol:  Gema if you read this makes me think of your dream you know the cow walking on the street....  :D  :lol:

I agree with you Supervision
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and yes Mike looked composed and very adorable..
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We are here for you Michael and will always love you whatever happens.
'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'
"You shall not accept any information, unless you verify it for yourself. I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brain, and you are responsible for using them."

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The Michael in the little split second snippet that flashed on the screen was totally awesome and very familiar but that Michael in the black shirt that was on screen the longest just looked like a big fake to me and sounded way wrong. Looked like 02 boy more.
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Mj is leasing the cows for cash!
[youtube:cizowa2c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0qfBB0Rnjg&playnext=1&list=PL4DBC5035023F83A2[/youtube:cizowa2c]

OMG This adventure is awesome and I think that at the end If I will not die from sters,for sure I will die becasue of to much LAUGHING  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: !!!!!


I love you Michael, :lol:  :lol: 8-)  !!!!!!

 :lol: This really made me laugh!
Thank you for posting.

umm. if this cash cow money isn't going through accountants does that mean it also is not getting reported to our favorite uncle.
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Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

 

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