TIAI February 14

[~Souza~]

Tomorrow is 2/26 (time of 'death'). Good date for a new redirect?

[katy (MJFAN7)]

i thought we'd have a new redirect today, it's been 20 months since June 25, 2009. :?

[thecheetoman2004]

Tomorrow is 2/26 (time of 'death'). Good date for a new redirect?

You must be psychic or something lol!

[SoldierofLOVE]

Tomorrow is 2/26 (time of 'death'). Good date for a new redirect?

You must be psychic or something lol!

You can say that again!    :roll:

[MJonmind]

Holy moley Grace! Your post about the red Toyota Prius leads directly to TS's post about the reflection of the same car and greenery mystery. More digging needed I guess.

Upon further pondering on the water theme this popped into my mind:
 water is necessary for all of life...without it all living things die.

And, ironically, fire (for the most part) can be extinguished with a huge dose of water. Kinda reminds me of MJ's "Let it burn" drama on stage in TII! Perhaps, he is signaling to us that soon, and very soon, the flames will be doused with plenty of water?!?!?!? In that case, let it rain!!!!

Water was pouring out of Carolwood Drive mansion as reported on June 28, 2009.

Water was leaking from the first foor, down into the garage and you could see the ceiling in the garage area starting to cave. Water - and this was odd - seemed to be pouring out of the electrical outlets in the video....we could not figure out what is the problem or the source of the ater but it sure looked like a neglected problem that was damaging the house (and needed to be fixed or would create a lot more damage.)

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The videos have been removed, but here are some stills:
[attachment=2:2i6kexr6]Waterpouring_20090628_4.jpg[/attachment:2i6kexr6]

[attachment=1:2i6kexr6]Waterpouring_20090628_b_2.jpg[/attachment:2i6kexr6]

Who else was there?
A red Toyota Prius.
[attachment=0:2i6kexr6]Waterpouring_20090628.jpg[/attachment:2i6kexr6]

We've seen this car on the ambulance videos.
Ben Evenstad owned one he lent to Michael for joy rides.

[MJonmind]

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Weird - Jackson rental home - a mess
Greta Van Susteren | June 28, 2009 5:29 PM

Print Email Share 0 Comments Below is a picture followed by two videos.  When we were at the expensive home Jackson rented, we observed a huge water leak, source unknown, causing damage and no one seemed to be attending to.  It was strange -- water pouring out of the house (see photo below which shows water flowing down the street.)  The 2 videos below show the water leaking and possibly ruining the property.  The rental home, said to be owend by Sean Connery either now or at an earlier date, is built into a hilly type area.  The garage, on one side, is street level (see the 2 videos below.)  Water was leaking from the first foor, down into the garage and you could see the ceiling in the garage area starting to cave. Water - and this was odd - seemed to be pouring out of the electrical outlets in the video....we could not figure out what is the problem or the source of the ater but it sure looked like a neglected problem that was damaging the house (and needed to be fixed or would create a lot more damage.)

This is from the link Grace posted. How could there be an unknown source. Either its a watermain break, or a tap was left running. The fire engines that were there on the 25 wouldn't have sprayed any water in a non-fire situation. I know Jermaine once said in a video that Michael was like Moses and he was like Aaron. Moses once struck a rock and water started pouring out from it to quench the thirst of probably a million or so Israelite people in the desert. I know this is a wild thought. Did Michael's "death" set in motion an unusual event? Is Michael giving us a hint of his capabilities?

[Grace]

This was not a running tap, this was like a firehose. The water flow was HUGE.
Too bad the vids have gone. It was impressive.
I thought of a massive "cleaning" when I saw this.

Water and feelings have a strong connection.
We, humans, are made of 70% water.
When we are unbalanced, we break out in tears and cry water.
We feel fine in the presence of water.
We feel strange when water is missing.


An interesting site on that connection:

Water
The Way of Feelings, Healing and Adaptability

Water is the softest substance is the world,
but one of the most powerful for one simple reason,its adapatable,
to wherever and whatever means it needs to to get to the place it wants to go
The way of water is the way of taking the path with the least resistance,
to flow with the surface to get to the lowest point

Ok interesting point you say but what has that to do with you ?

We are human and therefore subject to emotions and feelings
unlike any other creation on earth, other things have something like it,
but their reactions are based almost entirely on pre wired genetics,
whereas Man... can choose how to feel...about anything

And boy do we ever...!

We are all about emotions,they nearly rule our entire life, for good or ill
Don't think so ? Think on this for moment,you are here reading this
partly because of the minds need to know, the Way of intellect,
however how what you read makes you feel
is how it will be locked into the mind, colored by the feeling it creates

The pictures, the colors, the background, the words ,
all leave their mark on your feelings and emotions

The lessons of Water are simple but profound.
The path of least resistance,sounds like a cop out right, not really
its simple logic. The easiest way to get somewhere is the way of Water,
why should you make it any harder on yourself than you must ?

Lesson two, .to flow on that path
There's is no force on earth that can withstand Water in large amounts,
everything has to give way to it. Its very adaptability to any form it must take to achieve its
aims is its power, so to with man, we must wear many hats
in the course of an average day, each an adaptation
to whatever the circumstances require of us

More: The way of Water is to heal, and it does so by releasing tension,
ever hear the expression,as boneless as water? This is the state of water as a pond, still,
quite and at peace ,there is no better state for healing work than this
Any doctor know this, all healers most certainly know it,
and a wise person knows it for themselves., and rolls with the flow of life,
to stand against that flow,  is to be overwhelmed by it

Now this does not mean to never stand up for the self.. no no no...
Water is very good at this,  ever see a river over flow its banks ?
It will carve new waterways in any direction to whatever depth it needs,
so it is with man, when the demand is there ,changes take place,  must take place,
and will take place

When we call on Water in the circle we are asking for emotional depth and feeling
For the ability to flow with the power and make change
For the flexibility to heal the self

These are the gifts of Water.. its why the chalice is so often used as its icon
 As its the power of water contained and ready to be used , to be poured
out over whatever needs it,  by a loving hand

May your Cup always be Full

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[applehead250609]

Upon further pondering on the water theme this popped into my mind:
 water is necessary for all of life...without it all living things die.

And, ironically, fire (for the most part) can be extinguished with a huge dose of water. Kinda reminds me of MJ's "Let it burn" drama on stage in TII! Perhaps, he is signaling to us that soon, and very soon, the flames will be doused with plenty of water?!?!?!? In that case, let it rain!!!!

Water was pouring out of Carolwood Drive mansion as reported on June 28, 2009.

Water was leaking from the first foor, down into the garage and you could see the ceiling in the garage area starting to cave. Water - and this was odd - seemed to be pouring out of the electrical outlets in the video....we could not figure out what is the problem or the source of the ater but it sure looked like a neglected problem that was damaging the house (and needed to be fixed or would create a lot more damage.)

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The videos have been removed, but here are some stills:
[attachment=2:38ktpy22]Waterpouring_20090628_4.jpg[/attachment:38ktpy22]

[attachment=1:38ktpy22]Waterpouring_20090628_b_2.jpg[/attachment:38ktpy22]

Who else was there?
A red Toyota Prius.
[attachment=0:38ktpy22]Waterpouring_20090628.jpg[/attachment:38ktpy22]

We've seen this car on the ambulance videos.
Ben Evenstad owned one he lent to Michael for joy rides.

Hello Grace !!!!!

Thank you very much for your information.This is the one I've talked about when I said that it was strange when I saw ,back in 2009 that news about Michael's home.
Water is very important for our bodies,I know that very well,I always try to drink as much I as can,because I noticed that when I don't drink water I'm not ok.Drinking water is a common thing,but you will be amazed when I tell you that almost all people I know don't  drink enough water,they usually drink coffe,soda drinks,coca cola,pepsi,that tipe wich are not healthy at all.I wonder why?
Anyway water is very important ,here is Bruce Lee talking about water:

Bruce Lee_Be Water My Friend
[youtube:38ktpy22]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USlnfTGlhXc[/youtube:38ktpy22]

LOVE

[MJonmind]

Grace, I don't remember reading about the water ruining the Carolwood home before this, although I remember reading that the owner was claiming for damages to the house while MJ stayed there, and I thought that was weird like why would MJ damage the house.

This was not a running tap, this was like a firehose. The water flow was HUGE.
Too bad the vids have gone. It was impressive.
I thought of a massive "cleaning" when I saw this.

"Many waters cannot quench love,
neither can the floods drown it."

Song of Solomon 8:7

This is very puzzling to me. You think TS might be hinting at this? And now redirecting to the ambulance pic which was taken where the water situation and red car was also. None of it is making sense to me.
On the site you linked to, you were discussing about the article talking about MJ collapsing on the livingroom floor with Prince in a daze, them carrying him to his bed, the guard calling Joe who says to call 911. And people wanted to flush the house with water to remove evidence and make the house unihabited.  :?  :? Are you saying firemen doused the house with water? All this a totally different story than what's in the court now.

Souza, has this been discussed before on this forum?
Does anyone know anything more about this?

[Grace]

Where had the water its origin that was pouring out of the house?
This will remain a mystery except for the guy who finally closed the fountain.
Looking at it from a (let's try it   ) logical point of view: staff was "immediately" fired by Thome Thome - I don't remember where that info came from. So maybe nobody stayed in the house. The family got back into the house to remove "bed linen sheets" and "toys" for the children (truckwise as photographed).

I would assume that after a death as well as after a "move out" there is usually a cleaning.
That water incident took place 3 days after the "passing", so this was a Sunday.
Whether anybody would clean the house on a Sunday or whether the water was pouring since Saturday is speculation.

A second unsolved question is why the water would pour out of electrical outlets too - which was clearly visible in the videos. Could have been damaging the electrical equipment as such - to necessitate a complete replacement of "critical" devices such as surveillance equipment and alarm devices (in order to destroy any potential last evidence of what really went on in the house).

[mopey3655]

This whole thing becomes stranger by the hour.  I know there was a discussion on here as to the question of whether Michael was actually living there or whether this house was just used for the purpose of this hoax/movie.  I must say that we have some of the most determined investigators of all time.  Keep investigating.  The water is very puzzling indeed.

[everlastinglove_MJ]

Thinking about water & light (I remember that light has also a special meaning to Michael) in a form of reflection (mirror) as a rainbow, a magical natural and optical phenomenon, the rainbow has many symbolic and spiritual meanings

"According to Christian mythology and Judaic mythology, after Noah's flood the rainbow gained meaning as the sign of God's promise that terrestrial life would never again be destroyed by flood (Genesis 9:13–17):[31]

I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth. And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud: And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh. And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth. And God said unto Noah, This is the token of the covenant, which I have established between me and all flesh that is upon the earth."
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Michael's beautiful poem with a clear message about the precious earth and the eco-system. The blue earth means the water. The images are worth watching.

Planet Earth
~by Michael Jackson, Dancing the Dream, 1992
This poem was co-written by Deepak Chopra, and published by Doubleday in Michael’s 1992 book of poems and reflections, Dancing the Dream. “This poem is particularly prescient given the destruction of the eco-system.” ~Deepak Chopra
 
Planet Earth, my home, my place
A capricious anomaly in the sea of space
 
Planet Earth, are you just
Floating by, a cloud of dust
 
A minor globe, about to bust
A piece of metal bound to rust
 
A speck of matter in a mindless void
A lonely spaceship, a large asteroid
 
Cold as a rock without a hue
Held together with a bit of glue
 
Something tells me this isn’t true
You are my sweetheart, soft and blue
 
Do you care, have you a part
In the deepest emotions of my own heart
 
Tender with breezes, caressing and whole
Alive with music, haunting my soul.
 
In my veins I’ve felt the mystery
Of corridors of time, books of history
 
Life songs of ages throbbing in my blood
Have danced the rhythm of the tide and flood
 
Your misty clouds, your electric storm
Were turbulent tempests in my own form
 
I’ve licked the salt, the bitter, the sweet
Of every encounter, of passion, of heat
 
Your riotous color, your fragrance, your taste
Have thrilled my senses beyond all haste
 
In your beauty I’ve known the how
Of timeless bliss, this moment of now.
 
Planet Earth, are you just
Floating by, a cloud of dust
A minor globe, about to bust
A piece of metal bound to rust
 
A speck of matter in a mindless void
A lonely spaceship, a large asteroid
 
Cold as a rock without a hue
Held together with a bit of glue
 
Something tells me this isn’t true
You are my sweetheart, soft and blue
 
Do you care, have you a part
In the deepest emotions of my own heart
 
Tender with breezes, caressing and whole
Alive with music, haunting my soul.
 
Planet Earth, gentle and blue
With all my heart, I love you.

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[Sarahli]

But it doesn't mean that there isn't going to be another flood if i understand properly this passage:

Matthew 24

25Behold, I have told you before.

 26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

 27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

 28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

 29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 32Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

 33So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

 34Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

 35Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

 36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

 37But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

 38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

 39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

[MJonmind]

Having a house flooded so badly the water is coming out of the outlets reminds me of the move MouseHunt which I've watched a few times, and which has a dramatic flood scene.

MouseHunt is a 1997 American slapstick/black comedy film, directed by Gore Verbinski, written by Adam Rifkin and starring Nathan Lane and Lee Evans. The story revolves around two brothers who inherit a crumbling old house from their eccentric father, find out that the house is worth millions, and subsequently find themselves locked in a battle of wits with a hyper-intelligent mouse.

It was the first family film to be released by DreamWorks.

At the mansion’s auction, Lars discovers the mouse’s parcel, which was returned due to insufficient postage, with a hole chewed through it. Lars and Ernie once again try to kill the mouse by putting a hose in a wall and flushing it out. This backfires horribly- the water fills many spaces between the walls of the house. Those present for the auction are washed outside when the walls give way, and despite Ernie's attempts to convince them to stay, they leave as the house collapses.You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login)

I'm wondering if there was a waterbed that burst, but that doesn't account for enough water. I'm sure hoping that someone sometime will find some clues to answer this mystery. The idea of TT trying to flush out any evidence or destroy camera surveillance of the MJ event seems disturbing to me, leaning towards a murder, which is direction I prefer not to go because of all the evidence in the "alive" catagory. Hopefully even TS might consider adding something for this.

[AnaMarcia]

Tomorrow is 2/26 (time of 'death'). Good date for a new redirect?

You must be psychic or something lol!

Yeah, soon will ask if Souza's own TS.  :lol:
Personal suspicious!
But this was a good hit, Souza!