Conrad Murray: Michael Broke the Syringe!

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Conrad Murray: Michael Broke the Syringe!

  • on: March 16, 2011, 02:30:44 PM
Conrad Murray: Michael Broke the Syringe!
28 minutes ago by TMZ Staff  

A huge development in the Dr. Conrad Murray trial involving the death of Michael Jackson ... the defense wants a first generation fingerprint of a broken syringe found in MJ's bedroom the day he died ... and our sources say they think it could prove that Michael killed himself.



Dr. Murray's lawyers were in court this AM.  Among other things, they lasered in on a broken syringe that had rolled under Michael's deathbed.  The defense wants a first generation fingerprint to determine who was handling it.

Defense sources tell us ... Dr. Murray insists he did not break the syringe.  As TMZ first reported ... the defense believes MJ caused his own death by giving himself a massive overdose of Propofol while Murray was out of the room.

Defense sources say ... there were only two people in the room, and since Murray did not break the syringe, Michael must have handled it.

The defense is asking that the FBI deliver the first generation fingerprint.
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Re: Conrad Murray: Michael Broke the Syringe!

  • on: March 16, 2011, 02:38:05 PM
Conrad Murray: Michael Broke the Syringe….BS!  :lol:

I actually think turning it around on Michael is a good defense because Michael did effectively “kill” himself – he’s dead as far as most of the world thinks and we know that’s simply not true.  It'll anger a lot of people too, let's see if common sense will prevail.

And a mention of the FBI?!?  “The defense is asking that the FBI deliver the first generation fingerprint.”  The FBI is delivering it seems… Another prediction for TS – very interesting to say the least!  I just realized that FBI is an anagram for fib (lie).
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Re: Conrad Murray: Michael Broke the Syringe!

  • on: March 16, 2011, 02:53:04 PM
Now, wouldnt it be interesting if they tested the syringe and found a fingerprint that did not belong to Michael or Murray.....

Even if Michaels fingerprints are found on the syringe, there are wholes in Murrays defence.  Maybe Murray planted the evidence AFTER Michael had died.  (if he died!)  Its pretty easy to wrap a dead mans fingers around a syringe and then roll it under the bed.

Murray had time to do this.  There are discrepencies in the time line and the bodyguard has already described how Murray was clearing up evidence.

But i have a feeling that these tests will reveal an outcome that they didnt expect...
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Re: Conrad Murray: Michael Broke the Syringe!

  • on: March 16, 2011, 02:55:13 PM
Andrea, that's what I was thinking. Never heard FBI mentioned before aside from way back with the 333 pages. Another possible link to TS being authentic. This all such a joke, when people came and went from the mansion after June 25, contaminating evidence, and of course all the withholding of evidence and lies already from Murray. And if MJ's fingerprint is on the syringe, it proves he's a mastermind, that's all. :mrgreen:
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Re: Conrad Murray: Michael Broke the Syringe!

  • on: March 16, 2011, 03:01:54 PM
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And if MJ's fingerprint is on the syringe, it proves he's a mastermind, that's all. :mrgreen:

I thought that too, that he could've touched the alleged syringe just to mess about!
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Re: Conrad Murray: Michael Broke the Syringe!

  • on: March 16, 2011, 03:03:41 PM
The reason the FBI are involved is because they have the expertise in fingerprinting technology.

I dont think it means anything more than that......     who else they going to ask to test the syringe for prints???   :?
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Re: Conrad Murray: Michael Broke the Syringe!

  • on: March 16, 2011, 03:10:16 PM
What is a 'first generation fingerprint'?
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Re: Conrad Murray: Michael Broke the Syringe!

  • on: March 16, 2011, 03:16:33 PM
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Conrad Murray: Michael Broke the Syringe….BS!  :lol:

I actually think turning it around on Michael is a good defense because Michael did effectively “kill” himself – he’s dead as far as most of the world thinks and we know that’s simply not true.  It'll anger a lot of people too, let's see if common sense will prevail.

And a mention of the FBI?!?  “The defense is asking that the FBI deliver the first generation fingerprint.”  The FBI is delivering it seems… Another prediction for TS – very interesting to say the least!  I just realized that FBI is an anagram for fib (lie).

Great deductions Sherlock!!!  
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Re: Conrad Murray: Michael Broke the Syringe!

  • on: March 16, 2011, 03:21:18 PM
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What is a 'first generation fingerprint'?

I dont know.  Ive never heard this expression before, and if you put it in google nothing of interest comes up...  in fact, the TMZ article is high on the hit list.    :?
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Re: Conrad Murray: Michael Broke the Syringe!

  • on: March 16, 2011, 03:23:26 PM
OH!!  The first generation fingerprint is an old system.  They now have newer versions/generations.  And by asking the FBI for the first gen fingerprints, they are asking for Michael's OLD prints.  From the time of the first gen. testing which from all I read is about 2004.
Now, why would they be comparing his OLD prints?
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Re: Conrad Murray: Michael Broke the Syringe!

  • on: March 16, 2011, 03:24:41 PM
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The reason the FBI are involved is because they have the expertise in fingerprinting technology.

I dont think it means anything more than that......     who else they going to ask to test the syringe for prints???   :?


You always make good sense, MP.   And, it is interesting that our focus on the FBI in forum discussions directed by TS is also mentioned today in TMZ.  What a  wonderful coinkadink! ;)
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Re: Conrad Murray: Michael Broke the Syringe!

  • on: March 16, 2011, 03:25:16 PM
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OH!!  The first generation fingerprint is an old system.  They now have newer versions/generations.  And by asking the FBI for the first gen fingerprints, they are asking for Michael's OLD prints.  From the time of the first gen. testing which from all I read is about 2004.
Now, why would they be comparing his OLD prints?

Oh, also, that's why ask the FBI.  They have those prints on file.  But, what's weird is also do the local PD from booking him.
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Re: Conrad Murray: Michael Broke the Syringe!

  • on: March 16, 2011, 03:27:32 PM
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What is a 'first generation fingerprint'?

I dont know.  Ive never heard this expression before, and if you put it in google nothing of interest comes up...  in fact, the TMZ article is high on the hit list.    :?

I googled it too and didn't really find anything but I would think that it's the "initial" fingerprints on an object.  Like if other people touched it afterwards, the first generation ones would be underneath the other prints.
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Re: Conrad Murray: Michael Broke the Syringe!

  • on: March 16, 2011, 03:28:30 PM
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Conrad Murray: Michael Broke the Syringe….BS!  :lol:

I actually think turning it around on Michael is a good defense because Michael did effectively “kill” himself – he’s dead as far as most of the world thinks and we know that’s simply not true.  It'll anger a lot of people too, let's see if common sense will prevail.

And a mention of the FBI?!?  “The defense is asking that the FBI deliver the first generation fingerprint.”  The FBI is delivering it seems… Another prediction for TS – very interesting to say the least!  I just realized that FBI is an anagram for fib (lie).

Great deductions Sherlock!!!  

Ditto!
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Re: Conrad Murray: Michael Broke the Syringe!

  • on: March 16, 2011, 03:30:34 PM
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Now, wouldnt it be interesting if they tested the syringe and found a fingerprint that did not belong to Michael or Murray.....

Even if Michaels fingerprints are found on the syringe, there are wholes in Murrays defence.  Maybe Murray planted the evidence AFTER Michael had died.  (if he died!)  Its pretty easy to wrap a dead mans fingers around a syringe and then roll it under the bed.

Murray had time to do this.  There are discrepencies in the time line and the bodyguard has already described how Murray was clearing up evidence.

But i have a feeling that these tests will reveal an outcome that they didnt expect...
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 :o   hmmmmm. this is interesting.
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Re: Conrad Murray: Michael Broke the Syringe!

  • on: March 16, 2011, 03:31:18 PM
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OH!!  The first generation fingerprint is an old system.  They now have newer versions/generations.  And by asking the FBI for the first gen fingerprints, they are asking for Michael's OLD prints.  From the time of the first gen. testing which from all I read is about 2004.
Now, why would they be comparing his OLD prints?


Are you sure about that?  Fingerprints dont change with time.  Your prints are your prints for life.  Why would it matter when the prints were taken from the subject?

Do you have a link for this explanation?   Ive tried searching and have come up with a blank.
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Re: Conrad Murray: Michael Broke the Syringe!

  • on: March 16, 2011, 03:35:36 PM
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OH!!  The first generation fingerprint is an old system.  They now have newer versions/generations.  And by asking the FBI for the first gen fingerprints, they are asking for Michael's OLD prints.  From the time of the first gen. testing which from all I read is about 2004.
Now, why would they be comparing his OLD prints?


Are you sure about that?  Fingerprints dont change with time.  Your prints are your prints for life.  Why would it matter when the prints were taken from the subject?

Do you have a link for this explanation?   Ive tried searching and have come up with a blank.

I'm not saying they change.  I'm saying they want the FBI to turn over their first gen. fingerprints.  The first gen. ones were about 2004 when they used that system.  So it means, why do they want THOSE ones?  Why not more recent ones, if there are any, or ones from where he was booked into jail?  What is the significance of the old FBI prints when ALL prints are the same.???
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Re: Conrad Murray: Michael Broke the Syringe!

  • on: March 16, 2011, 03:37:56 PM
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OH!!  The first generation fingerprint is an old system.  They now have newer versions/generations.  And by asking the FBI for the first gen fingerprints, they are asking for Michael's OLD prints.  From the time of the first gen. testing which from all I read is about 2004.
Now, why would they be comparing his OLD prints?

Do I understand correctly that you mean it's a method of taking fingerprints, that has been superceded by newer methods?

If so, as you say, why specify 'first generation fingerprints'? Why wouldn't they just request fingerprints, full stop?
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Re: Conrad Murray: Michael Broke the Syringe!

  • on: March 16, 2011, 03:39:46 PM
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I'm not saying they change.  I'm saying they want the FBI to turn over their first gen. fingerprints.  The first gen. ones were about 2004 when they used that system.  So it means, why do they want THOSE ones?  Why not more recent ones, if there are any, or ones from where he was booked into jail?  What is the significance of the old FBI prints when ALL prints are the same.???

Ok.  Im understanding what you are saying a bit more now.  You are saying that the defense are asking for the FBI to give them the fingerprint profile of Michael so they can compare it to the one found on the syringe.
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Re: Conrad Murray: Michael Broke the Syringe!

  • on: March 16, 2011, 03:44:40 PM
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I'm not saying they change.  I'm saying they want the FBI to turn over their first gen. fingerprints.  The first gen. ones were about 2004 when they used that system.  So it means, why do they want THOSE ones?  Why not more recent ones, if there are any, or ones from where he was booked into jail?  What is the significance of the old FBI prints when ALL prints are the same.???

Ok.  Im understanding what you are saying a bit more now.  You are saying that the defense are asking for the FBI to give them the fingerprint profile of Michael so they can compare it to the one found on the syringe.

Yes, but the clue here is...first generation fingerprint.  Those are old ones.
Maybe there are no Michael prints since 2004, but then why specifically ask for ones from the first gen ones if they simply are the only ones? And why ask specifically for the FBI for those ones?
 Maybe...maybe because there is new technology since then and they can say those ones were not accurate...Just thinking and guessing...
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Re: Conrad Murray: Michael Broke the Syringe!

  • on: March 16, 2011, 03:47:33 PM
I really think first generation fingerprints are the first ones on an object.  I said it above, so maybe no one else agrees?

Say I take something fresh out of a package and touch it.  That object has my fingerprints on it.  Then someone else touches, and someone else and so on.  The object later gets dusted for fingerprints.  Mine would be the first generation fingerprints because I touched the object first, the other prints may be layered over top of mine and they're able to determine that.

This is my own head making sense of it so it might not be the case.  But it makes sense to me.
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Re: Conrad Murray: Michael Broke the Syringe!

  • on: March 16, 2011, 03:49:40 PM
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I really think first generation fingerprints are the first ones on an object.  I said it above, so maybe no one else agrees?

Say I take something fresh out of a package and touch it.  That object has my fingerprints on it.  Then someone else touches, and someone else and so on.  The object later gets dusted for fingerprints.  Mine would be the first generation fingerprints because I touched the object first, the other prints may be layered over top of mine and they're able to determine that.

This is my own head making sense of it so it might not be the case.  But it makes sense to me.

You could be correct, but my understanding is that the fingerprints would get smeared and not overlayed?

What we need is a fingerprint expert.....      :P   Hmmmm.....
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Re: Conrad Murray: Michael Broke the Syringe!

  • on: March 16, 2011, 03:51:01 PM
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I'm not saying they change.  I'm saying they want the FBI to turn over their first gen. fingerprints.  The first gen. ones were about 2004 when they used that system.  So it means, why do they want THOSE ones?  Why not more recent ones, if there are any, or ones from where he was booked into jail?  What is the significance of the old FBI prints when ALL prints are the same.???

Ok.  Im understanding what you are saying a bit more now.  You are saying that the defense are asking for the FBI to give them the fingerprint profile of Michael so they can compare it to the one found on the syringe.

No, that can't be right Miss.Peppers, because the article says: "the defense wants a first generation fingerprint of a broken syringe found in MJ's bedroom the day he died"

Does that mean they want to use an old method of fingerprinting on this 21 month old syringe and drag the FBI in to do it!!!  :?

Andrea, your explanation makes sense too!

Yes, we need an expert!
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Re: Conrad Murray: Michael Broke the Syringe!

  • on: March 16, 2011, 03:51:42 PM
yeah right, they could be smeared on the syringe...but I think the clues on tmz are
they want the old prints and want them from the fbi
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Re: Conrad Murray: Michael Broke the Syringe!

  • on: March 16, 2011, 03:59:18 PM
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No, that can't be right Miss.Peppers, because the article says: "the defense wants a first generation fingerprint of a broken syringe found in MJ's bedroom the day he died"

Does that mean they want to use an old method of fingerprinting on this 21 month old syringe and drag the FBI in to do it!!!  :?


CURLS...   you are right.  So they cant mean that.   What the heck do they mean???
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