Barely Legal -- Good Enough for Conrad Murray

[ibelieveinmj]

Some say I don't know much (I beg to differ 'cause I'm here..hee) but my initial thought was - Michael ?!?!
There are some pics from the '90's, he's wearing black jeans, white unbuttened shirt and in one of the pics his hand is placed exactly the same as CM.  They certainly look identical, especially the nail beds.

[MJhasSpoken]

Why is Murray's hand and legs really thin?
Also reading the article again and a few things stood out.
They always seem to get a photo of Murray at Santa Monica.
The photo of MJ's music dancer only shows Murray from the top to just before his waist which could mean it was the same day.
Maybe barely legal means the 18th person chosen to be on the jury (12 jurors but 6 extra if needed, 12+6 = 18) is MJ...it is barely legal because it's MJ of course but it is still legal as this trial is fake so it doesn't really matter who is on the jury.

[suspicious mind]

Some say I don't know much (I beg to differ 'cause I'm here..hee) but my initial thought was - Michael ?!?!
There are some pics from the '90's, he's wearing black jeans, white unbuttened shirt and in one of the pics his hand is placed exactly the same as CM.  They certainly look identical, especially the nail beds.

i know which one you  mean, he still was darker. wasn't the ophrah interview like 92 ? he was pretty light by then.

[scorpionchik]

Now Murray is Michael?

 :lol: Actually  now Michael happens to be is Murray.  Michael's roles within last 18 months: blond woman, man in fedora, green man, then Dave Dave, now Murray. Did I miss something?
Does this sound like Michael?  I doubt so. Too much.

[ibelieveinmj]

Some say I don't know much (I beg to differ 'cause I'm here..hee) but my initial thought was - Michael ?!?!
There are some pics from the '90's, he's wearing black jeans, white unbuttened shirt and in one of the pics his hand is placed exactly the same as CM.  They certainly look identical, especially the nail beds.

i know which one you  mean, he still was darker. wasn't the ophrah interview like 92 ? he was pretty light by then.

Yes, he was darker so it was before Oprah.  I'll try and find them.  I don't know how to drag the photo out of my collection into here  :oops:

[Grace]

Why oh why do I think that CM's hands are just a little bit too big, that the middle and ring finger are sticking together too much and that the whole guy has too skinny arms and legs for that pumped up body.

(Why is it that he changes features and BMI so often between "recent" photographs.)

No offense intended, this guy just never fits usual optical measures in my eyes-brain connections.

[~Souza~]

Some say I don't know much (I beg to differ 'cause I'm here..hee) but my initial thought was - Michael ?!?!
There are some pics from the '90's, he's wearing black jeans, white unbuttened shirt and in one of the pics his hand is placed exactly the same as CM.  They certainly look identical, especially the nail beds.

That is exactly the picture I compared it with. Same hands.

[Tink.I.Am]

Now Murray is Michael?

 :lol: Actually  now Michael happens to be is Murray.  Michael's roles within last 18 months: blond woman, man in fedora, green man, then Dave Dave, now Murray. Did I miss something?
Does this sound like Michael?  I doubt so. Too much.

yes.. we all debated if michael was murray in the video murray did for his clients and freinds...  we thought he was  a digitally made person or michael... mmmm

[Yulia]

1- we're not in the 80s, nor 90s. So Would Michael have the exact hands he had back then? With time,hands change, even mine changed in past 10 years. Does he have a prostetic make up of his hands from the 80's?

2- Murray's height, no matter if he's not besides anyone, is pretty obvious. For instance, I can tell very well the height of a person just by seeing him/her in a photo even if I see that someone for the first time.  Murray is a man in his 6'0 -6'3 and I cut my hand for it. It's highly obvious. No matter if he walks alone or he's besides anyone

3 - Can you actually see all those details in a so low quality photo? Details of the nails can be seen accuratelly only in very HI-Q photos.

4- Even if the photo is not in Hi-Q I can tell the shape of his fingers is not Michael's. Why: a detail that jumps in my eyes is  that Michael's fingers always had a different shape than in most people - no matter 70s-80-s-90s-00. His fingers bend from the middle and he doesn't bend at all his phalanx - as Murray does in this photo. Even if we regard the possibility of a prosthetic make-up, he would bend his fingers the same way no matter if the prosthetic make-up gives his fingers another look.He would bend them from the same point.

[2good2btrue]

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[~Souza~]

1- we're not in the 80s, nor 90s. So Would Michael have the exact hands he had back then? With time,hands change, even mine changed in past 10 years. Does he have a prostetic make up of his hands from the 80's?

Yeah, probably the same as his body miraculously changed? Your hands may get older, but they stay the same. It's how you are built.

2- Murray's height, no matter if he's not besides anyone, is pretty obvious. For instance, I can tell very well the height of a person just by seeing him/her in a photo even if I see that someone for the first time.  Murray is a man in his 6'0 -6'3 and I cut my hand for it. It's highly obvious. No matter if he walks alone or he's besides anyone

That doesn't make sense at all. You can't possibly tell from a picture when no one is around, how tall someone is. Utter BS.

3 - Can you actually see all those details in a so low quality photo? Details of the nails can be seen accuratelly only in very HI-Q photos.

Yes, I can see the details.

4- Even if the photo is not in Hi-Q I can tell the shape of his fingers is not Michael's. Why: a detail that jumps in my eyes is  that Michael's fingers always had a different shape than in most people - no matter 70s-80-s-90s-00. His fingers bend from the middle and he doesn't bend at all his phalanx - as Murray does in this photo. Even if we regard the possibility of a prosthetic make-up, he would bend his fingers the same way no matter if the prosthetic make-up gives his fingers another look.He would bend them from the same point.

You must be looking at O2 dude's hands...

[ignisaeternus]

Actually, hands do change.  Skin on your hands certainly changes, and Michael has discoloration in his nails that was pretty prounounced. Overall shape of hands can change as well, due to arthritis for instance.  If you look at pictures of Michael's hands from BAD and Thriller time and compare them with let say the L'Uomo or the Vanity Fair shoot, you can see changes. Hands are one of those indicators of actual age- people have surgery on their faces and even necks now, but hands still will indicate your age (due to skin and skeletal changes)
Also, while CM's hand in the shot are large, his index finger looks much different from Michael's.  Michael has a stronger middle section and a longer top section of that digit.

So, I really don't think Michael is CM here- however, I think CM (or whoever he is) has been instructed to walk like Michael or pose in similar stances/poses (remember when he was against that wall and it almost looked like he was wearing the tux from Off the Wall?)

However, Souza, the first thing I thought of when I saw that headline were the Barely Legal magazines from the 05 trial.  That day was such a nightmare for Michael.  If you read the transcripts, it is almost ridiculous how they spent so much just arguing what to call the magazines- Sneddon wanted to call them "porn" but since they are legal and were legally purchases he had to call them "adult material"- talk about trying to influence a jury (people have a much stronger reaction to the word porn than to adult material).  And yes, the only oiont made with all this (besides humiliating Michael and his family) was that he was a normal heterosexual man.  Interesting that this phrase popped up "randomly" (yeah right).

[GINAFELICIA]

And yes, the only oiont made with all this (besides humiliating Michael and his family) was that he was a normal heterosexual man.  

Right. Some people forgot about it.

[~Souza~]

Actually, hands do change.  Skin on your hands certainly changes, and Michael has discoloration in his nails that was pretty prounounced. Overall shape of hands can change as well, due to arthritis for instance.  If you look at pictures of Michael's hands from BAD and Thriller time and compare them with let say the L'Uomo or the Vanity Fair shoot, you can see changes. Hands are one of those indicators of actual age- people have surgery on their faces and even necks now, but hands still will indicate your age (due to skin and skeletal changes)
Also, while CM's hand in the shot are large, his index finger looks much different from Michael's.  Michael has a stronger middle section and a longer top section of that digit.

So, I really don't think Michael is CM here- however, I think CM (or whoever he is) has been instructed to walk like Michael or pose in similar stances/poses (remember when he was against that wall and it almost looked like he was wearing the tux from Off the Wall?)

However, Souza, the first thing I thought of when I saw that headline were the Barely Legal magazines from the 05 trial.  That day was such a nightmare for Michael.  If you read the transcripts, it is almost ridiculous how they spent so much just arguing what to call the magazines- Sneddon wanted to call them "porn" but since they are legal and were legally purchases he had to call them "adult material"- talk about trying to influence a jury (people have a much stronger reaction to the word porn than to adult material).  And yes, the only oiont made with all this (besides humiliating Michael and his family) was that he was a normal heterosexual man.  Interesting that this phrase popped up "randomly" (yeah right).

We don't know he had artritis, he only had a bump on his little finger. Anything could have caused that. And he is in his early 50's, not 80+. My grandfather even still has the same hands as he had 40 years ago. My dad is in his 60's and works with his hands, injures them a lot (even sawed off a part of his hand) but still his hands are the same as they always have been, except for the part that is clearly missing of course. A few more scars, a little bump somewhere maybe, but the same hands. Same goes for my mother. Your vains stay in the same place and the overall shape stays the same, unless you have some illness that totally disforms your hands. Murray's hand is pretty much identical to that of MJ in the late 80's, which is quite a big coincidence if you ask me. Of course, it MIGHT BE a coincidence, but I don't really believe in coincidences anymore. And I choose not to compare with recent pics, because I am sure the hoax has been going on for 20 years and therefore everything we see after BAD is questionable to me. The make up, the wigs...makes me wonder what else was an illusion. Like the nose, that changed by the day, only to get back to its former BAD era shape in the end. Michael altered the shape of his nose on purpose, with a very clever use of make up. Just look at pictures of the History Era. In the teaser we see Mike with a perfectly normal, broad straight nose. Then we have a nose looking sharp as a knife at the tour at times (not all the time) and if you look closely, you see dark make-up on the sides. I had make up classes years ago and that's what they teach you to make a nose look much slimmer, dark shades on the sides. So if he built an illusion around his nose, who says he didn't build an illusion around other body parts? Cleft in chin same thing. One time big and deep, other time almost vanished. Eyes big (white line on bottom eye lid), eyes small (dark eyeliner). So I can't tell how he looks like by looking at pictures from the past 20 years, because he changes by the shot. That is why I use the older ones.

And yes, I have read pretty much everything about the trial and it still makes my blood boil when I think of it.

[VeryLittleSusie]

Well, apparently it is possible to fake even the fat body.
Look: (this is Eddie Murphy in The Klumps)




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And don't forget Janet played with Murphy in that film....  :?