TIAI June 25

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TIAI June 25

  • on: June 25, 2011, 08:01:13 PM



As usual, I have waited for the dust to settle, before posting anything.  For those who did not forget “NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS”—and therefore they are still here—it is time for level 5!    typing/

While level 4 was the most important, this level will be the most difficult—at least for some.  In fact, this level is not for newbie’s, or those with weak faith; because in this level, I am going to take sides with Jermaine—and say that there is no hoax, MJ is really dead.  If you can’t handle this level, then please just skip it.  Also, people will now have trouble accusing me of trying to cover up a murder plot—because the murder theory is exactly what I will now be attempting to defend!   afraid/

It’s time to test what you have learned in the last two years.  How solid is your hoax evidence?  Is it irrefutable, or is it based on fantasy and imagination?  No doubt more will turn against me at this level; but that’s okay, because I’m not here to win a popularity contest.  For those who have read all of my previous posts, you will probably understand the purpose of this level; also, some things from previous levels may now become clear.   bounce/

In this level, there is no limit on any particular category of discussion; you can bring any evidence you want, to support the hoax theory.  And I will try to debunk it, and support the murder theory.  You can also use my own previous hoax evidence, if you want.  For nearly a year now, there has not even been one serious attempt to claim the $999 numerology reward; so the timing of MJ’s death was certainly planned.  However, what if I say that the Illuminati found out about his hoax plans, and killed him according to the exact timing that he had planned?  Can you debunk this?  Did the Illuminati outthink him, or did he outthink the Illuminati?  That is the main question of this level.   :shock:

Regarding the trial delay: I was very aware of a possible delay; if not, my May 1 post would’ve been much different (which you will see in level 6).  I have never said that everything has been planned to the day (although exact timing was planned up to 9-9-09).  More than once, I’ve said that there have been delays; anyone who has read all of my posts already knows this.  Also, Jermaine rescheduled his book, because the trial was delayed {http://twitter.com/#!/jermjackson5/status/70265607685283840}.  Does this mean that Jermaine is not in on the hoax?  Well, I guess some people are starting to think that the family is not in on the hoax.  I have always said that the family is in on it; so my answer was already given, long before the question was asked {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=127&t=19277}.   :roll:

If the family does not know about the hoax, then we might as well say that MJ himself doesn’t know about it either!  The family has repeatedly said that they know what happened to MJ; so if there is a hoax, then they know about it.  And if they don’t know about any hoax, it’s because there is none—instead, the Illuminati got him.  Which is it?  That’s the multi-million dollar question!!!   argue/
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Re: TIAI June 25

  • on: June 25, 2011, 08:06:58 PM
Two years of investigating has prepared us for this. Bring it on  mj_bad/

Allow me to dig into my evidence file and I'll be back after work!
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Re: TIAI June 25

  • on: June 25, 2011, 08:16:05 PM
Illuminating question TS......I shall return after the dust truly settles and I can wrap my brain around it!
'Till then....nothing but love and blessings to all ( you too TS )

Blessings!
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Re: TIAI June 25

  • on: June 25, 2011, 08:19:28 PM
! ja ! I am list :geek:

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Re: TIAI June 25

  • on: June 25, 2011, 08:39:26 PM
Hey hey you did redirect today! michael-jackson/
The only good thing that happen to me today bow/
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Re: TIAI June 25

  • on: June 25, 2011, 08:47:58 PM
Awesome. Debate away TS . All the logic  in the world can't extract the inner knowing that comes by way of revelation / intuition/ discernment. Might not stand the test in a court of law, but it rules the roost in my heart and head.
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Re: TIAI June 25

  • on: June 25, 2011, 08:52:07 PM
Welcome back TS! Even though I know you never left.  I get what you're doing, to prove it's a hoax, all other scenarios (re: murder theory) must be eliminated.

About the Illuminati finding out about the hoax before and killing Michael to fit in with the timings, for this reason is why I think the hoax actually happened on the 'other' day.  In case TPTB did find out and were planning to kill him on June 25, MJ outsmarts them and is already safely tucked away when the 'death' is re-created on June 25. Because we do know there was an 'other' day and there has to be a reason why.

That's all i'll say for now, I'm not on a proper computer so it's hard to type. But good to see you here again TS!
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Re: TIAI June 25

  • on: June 25, 2011, 09:28:06 PM
Okay, nice to hear from you TS.  I'm not too scholarly so a bunch of this will just float by me.
 Most of what brings me here is heartfelt from living with Michael all these past 40 years or so.  Hard to believe that one could know someone so well, when they've never met.  Especially as I believe that we know the persona that was presented to us in part my the mass media and also by the image Michael chose to give us of him.  We all send out to the world what we want them to know of us and that is what I feel we know of Michael.  But, in between the lines we see interviews and read body language.  We read and hear lyrics and poems.  We absorb into us Michael that perhaps was hidden from the world that just took him at what he and the media presented.  We are the fortunate.  I am here because of that.  What I've learned and loved from finding the Michael in between the lines. 
So TS, I think that you post intriguing thoughts.  Much different than the way my mind works.  I think on a much more personal and intimate level for reasonings and actions.  But, I love learning from your great way of teaching.   
I really tended to dismiss this Illuminati part of the hoax.  Maybe it's too deep or maybe I chose not to have my mind invaded my such knowledge and just lean on my heartfelt belief in Michael being alive.  I, being a baptized JW know that there a parts of the Illuminati that touched the Witnesses in the early years, and so, also I've chosen not to acknowledge it.
So, now thinking about a possible involvement I have to think that, were that the case, Michael would still be in danger.  I'm sure "they" know he's alive because if they didn't kill him, they know he is gone or that Murray really did kill him.  So, Michael isn't safe, and how and when could he ever be?  And, if you, TS know that, or anyone as far as that goes, why wouldn't you or others also not be safe?  Why wouldn't they go after his kids or family?
I can't wait to see what my FANily uncovers here under this level. 
I hope you lead us as the blind, teaching us how to find our way and how to know where we take a wrong turn as we truly are blind and you tend to see.
Thank you for the hope you give to us, and I can't wait to see what good it will do one day to have such knowledge.  Because, as I say, I already believe from my heart, but if my head needs to know also that Michael lives, then I'm glad to learn from you and my FANily here <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
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Re: TIAI June 25

  • on: June 25, 2011, 09:39:08 PM
Welcome Back TS bearhug
Miss you much~God bless you!
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Re: TIAI June 25

  • on: June 25, 2011, 09:44:22 PM
I've never really tried to answer these types of posts. Sometimes, I'm unsure how to answer. Thank goodness this one is short, and I guess somewhat simple (that is, if I'm right), because I think I may have an answer (that is, if this post  requires one).
Quote from: TS_comments

If the family does not know about the hoax, then we might as well say that MJ himself doesn’t know about it either!  The family has repeatedly said that they know what happened to MJ; so if there is a hoax, then they know about it.  And if they don’t know about any hoax, it’s because there is none—instead, the Illuminati got him.  Which is it?  That’s the multi-million dollar question!!!   <!-- sargue/ -->argue/<!-- sargue/ -->
The first sentence had me questioning myself multiple times. So, my question is: [fade:23m49ji1]How come if the family doesn't know automatically make Michael NOT know?[/fade:23m49ji1] Just because they're family doesn't mean they have to share the same brain. Moving on to the next.
[fade:23m49ji1]Just because the family doesn't know about the hoax[/fade:23m49ji1] (which they DO know about)[fade:23m49ji1], doesn't mean there isn't one.[/fade:23m49ji1] So now, my conclusion is: The Illuminati does NOT have Michael. CASE CLOSED. Next question please.
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Re: TIAI June 25

  • on: June 25, 2011, 10:39:41 PM
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Hello, TS!
With the Sousa's permission I dare to open up a thread with questions for you and will copy my post from the other thread.
I hope you will answer this. Thank you in advance.
My question is have you ever considered a possibility of the family being NOT in the know?

I have read your posts about them that a member here kindly referred me to.
Here is my thoughts:

PureLove, big thanks for posting this. If I understand correctly, TS thinks the family is in on the hoax. If all those mentioned things are the only reason to believe they are really in on it, to me it's unconvincing. Because everyone can interpret it in their own way, that tweet for instance. The chosen words could easily be just a coincidence ( You don't believe in coincidence, I know, I know:) but still ) How many times do we use those words on a daily basis. I know I do. And that doesn't make me be someone in the know. Even if that's not a coincidence, still the different interpretation works. I try hard and I just can't comprehend why would they act in such a cruel way? I mean towards the fans, of course. As far as I know the overwhelming majority of Michael's fans is women. I know how emotional they are. Michael, in my opinion wouldn't just sit back and watch all these neverending tears, suffers and pains, or, even worse, act as if it was just a game, " the adventure ". And he didn't. He had left a few strong clues before he disappeared, but he did it himself. and if he would act along with the family, they should be acting the same way. But they don't. Since the very beginning the family has been trying to convince everybody there is no hoax and Michael is indeed dead. I first thought it was their role and they had been playing just perfectly, Oscar-alike. And now I think they have never been in on it. Maybe just having their guess. Of course, I know there were many " slip-ups" made by them during this " unnervious adventure". [highlight=#ff0000:1jofz65v]My favorite sure was " To the airport, oh I mean to the hospital", made by Jermaine, the one who is the most active convincer ever[/highlight:1jofz65v]( along with Randy and Karen, though she isnt a family member ) Sure, it does NOT look like an accidental remark, but heck I made a lot worse slip-ups and they were really and I mean Really made just by accident. This also goes to all the other ones, that we mistook as well. You know what made me think they are not the slip-ups but the faulse perceptions? The family' behavior. They just DON'T act as if they know anything. If they knew, they would act the same way as Michael. Knowing his nature I just refuse to believe he would ever let them act like this and sit back and watch the fan's reaction to every " Michael is dead, painful, but true " remark, tweet or whatever. Or, what's worse, send an insider and play with them ans ask riddles. NO. That's not Michael I have always known and admired. NO. They at least should be silent. Just S.I.L.E.N.T.!
You may say - Read between the lines. Fine, I will do, and I do but Michael was pretty simple and clear when he left his great clues. We could clearly read PAINS, and there was no need to read between the lines. Also we didn't need to See between the lines ( is there such an expression? lol ) when we clealy saw the moving body inside the helicopter, him in the pig mask with Liz and the kids on the Halloween night or him disguised as the green man in the new version of We Are The World etc etc. The point I want to make is Michael is simple. All the great things are simple. He didnt bend our brain even more, he knew we would be overwhelmed enough already after the 25 of June, he acted precisely and distinctly and he was very honest. He warned us. In TII. " The adventure. There is nothing to be nervous about "
But before the film came out he had done a lot of work with all those well thought-out clues. You just have to be a real fan to see and understand that. Apparently, his family isn't one. Or he just had no choice.
TS , please take notice that Im in no way trying to dispute your words and thoughts, that's just something I want you to consider and comment if possible.



I discredit what Jermaine said, I happened to me I'm talking about something with someone and suddenly say something that has nothing to do with what you are talking about. This will discredit anyone

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Re: TIAI June 25

  • on: June 25, 2011, 11:23:38 PM
here we are again with only two choices.  why do you always do that? do you live in a world where there are always only two choices?
i figured it out , you must be my husband , he can't handle having more than two choices either.
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Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

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Re: TIAI June 25

  • on: June 25, 2011, 11:43:03 PM
Murray to ask the guards if anyone knew CPR according to the statement of Alberto Alvarez, knows someone who does not know some cardiologists do this?

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Re: TIAI June 25

  • on: June 26, 2011, 12:18:13 AM
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...so the timing of MJ’s death was certainly planned.  [glow=red:nqvl3qd3]However, what if I say that the Illuminati found out about his hoax plans, and killed him according to the exact timing that he had planned?  Can you debunk this?  Did the Illuminati outthink him, or did he outthink the Illuminati?[/glow:nqvl3qd3] That is the main question of this level.   :shock:  
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If the family does not know about the hoax, then we might as well say that MJ himself doesn’t know about it either!  The family has repeatedly said that they know what happened to MJ; so if there is a hoax, then they know about it.  And if they don’t know about any hoax, it’s because there is none—instead, the Illuminati got him.  Which is it?  That’s the multi-million dollar question!!!   argue/[/size]

Well now we're getting to the questions I've been asking myself for almost 2 years. Although if he WAS murdered I don't necessarily think the Illuminati had anything to do with it. The idea that he might have been murdered is the only thing keeping me from sailing on the same boat with everyone else who is so sure he faked his death and will be returning...though I wish I could be on that boat.  The "what ifs" keep me questioning what really happened on June 25, 2009 and on the shore of doubt. Sometimes that's a hard place to be on this forum because "if I don't believe then why am I here," right?  Well the truth is what I want. No matter what it is. Without the truth there is no closure to this mess. And though there are those who say they know the truth, they are not very forthcoming with it. Which always brings me to the family. If I had to make an argument against murder it would be the family's behavior. If my brother had been murdered and I KNEW who did it, I wouldn't be hocking books and tv shows with promises of the truth. I would be spilling the truth to everyone who would listen. Cops, fans, family, friends, they would all know and there would be no price tag attached to it. Some might claim that it would put that family member in danger if they spoke out, but truth has risks sometimes and I would take those risks if it were my brother. Then I'm right back to doubt again when I think "what if they threatened his children?" I would NOT risk the children. Sometimes I think that is why they aren't hiding behind masks now. So WE can watch them. People say the paps should leave the children alone, but as long as they are having their picture taken, and the world is watching, we know they are okay. So anyway, with that I'm back to just enough doubt to keep me going insane.

TS I find it interesting that you ask what if they killed him according to the exact timing he (Michael) had planned.  You bypassed someone else planning it altogether. There is always the argument on this forum that no one could have planned this but Michael. Maybe. But there have been times when I have questioned who else could have planned this. There IS the possibility that someone else COULD have if they knew enough about MJ. So if it's MJ's, how would they find out about his plans? The only answer I keep coming back to is either they KNOW MJ personally... or the Neverland raids. Depending on how long he had been planning this, wouldn't he have had notes. This plan is extensive. He couldn't have remembered EVERY detail without writing something down. I mean Neverland was raided more times than a co-eds panty drawer. Surely if it was there, someone would have found it. That would have been a gold mine for Sneddon, don't you think? So more doubts for me.  Still I have this nagging feeling that everyone knows what's going on but us, the fans. Like we are being punked or something. Something always holds me back from going completely to the murder theory side. It might just be hope. But hope is tricky and sometimes futile.

It occurs to me I'm not making a very good case AGAINST the murder theory so this post is pointless to everyone but me. Just some of my thoughts on the subject and I guess they are as important as anybody else's. For what it's worth, this made more sense the first time I typed it out and I know I forgot a couple things. First time I got it all typed, got ready to hit submit, and then my computer just shuts off. I don't know why. Just BAM! it's off...Cue Twilight Zone music and lots of cussing. lol
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Re: TIAI June 25

  • on: June 26, 2011, 12:29:12 AM
thought provoking post .
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Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

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Re: TIAI June 25

  • on: June 26, 2011, 12:48:36 AM
so ... michael will never come back..
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Re: TIAI June 25

  • on: June 26, 2011, 01:40:28 AM
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so ... michael will never come back..

That is not what is being shared here.  I see you are new, welcome. Have you read all of the previous TS posts?  If not, you should read there, it will be a big help for you with this one.

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Re: TIAI June 25

  • on: June 26, 2011, 02:00:50 AM
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here we are again with only two choices.  why do you always do that? do you live in a world where there are always only two choices?
i figured it out , you must be my husband , he can't handle having more than two choices either.

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Re: TIAI June 25

  • on: June 26, 2011, 02:08:34 AM
Suppose the murder theory were true:

1.MJ's family would be MURDERERS, and on the side of the Illuminati, because
(a)They planned MJ's memorial on 7-7-09, 7 years from his will written on 7-7-02, and
(b) while his death on 25-6-09 was 77 days from 9-9-09, they planned his burial 7 days from 9-9-09,
to make both (a) & (b) to coincide with the 777 shirt he wore in TII so that it appears to be a death hoax.

2.TMZ is on the side of the Illuminati, for giving us multiple 'clues' that the entire murder was planned - e.g. http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/07/michael-jackson-7/

3.Sony AEG/Columbia Pictures, and some of the TII production team are in on the murder (made to look like a hoax) because the film was planned exactly to last 111 minutes.

4.The FBI are ALSO in on the murder, because they released exactly 333 pages of MJ files.

I'm trying to evaluate the incentives and motivations for each of them to be on the side of the Illuminatii. For the FBI, perhaps they would not have much of a choice but to take part in the murder plot IF the Illuminati has a certain control over the government or government entities. For Sony to be part of a murder plot would not be hard to believe, because MJ's death would bring in more profits than it did in the 'last few years' of his life. For TMZ to be in on the murder plot: again, they could easily be profit-driven given that releasing MJ news first-hand would give them greater readership.

As for the family:
This is hardest to comprehend. Why in the world would they want to murder their brother/son?
1. They are all secretly jealous of MJ's success and hate him.
2. They are after money - the Illuminati could have promised them a large sum of money, and they could make some money off MJ's death (e.g. selling interviews/stories).

I'm sorry TS, I can't offer anything concrete to debunk the murder theory, but it seems like the murder theory is a possible explanation though my perceived likelihood of it being true is very low, simply because I cannot believe that the Jacksons are capable of being heartless and hateful towards MJ. That of course being based on my intuition and feelings, which is not the cold, hard evidence you want.

Can't wait for your own debunking of the murder theory, TS.  bounce/  moonwalk_/
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Re: TIAI June 25

  • on: June 26, 2011, 02:38:16 AM
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These are cool. But I would like to know what's written in small letters. Can someone help?

Some think he is alive, some think he was murdered by illuminati, some think he was killed by Sony to make an easier way to the catalogue, some think he was killed by Murray by accident.

Given Michael's dedication to change the world - I think it's not so crazy to believe he was murdered because he couldn't keep his mouth shut and his popularity was still huge, even after all the allegations. On the other hand, if they wanted to kill him they could have done it years ago, as for a few years before 2009 he wasn't so vocal so he didn't seem to be a threat anymore, but maybe the planned comeback and the fist to an imaginary enemy in the London press conference made them take imediat action, before the "damage" was done with the This is it tour.

On the other hand, Michael was sad about the accusations that he tried to deny his race by bleaching his skin. OK maybe I cross the line with this but because Murray is a black man - I don't see him involved in murdering another black man. I don't say it's not possible though. Well I don't know too much about this subject, I just think it is similar with what is happening for centuries in another countries where 2 different nations share the same teritory. There's always going to be a blind fight going underneath.

But what about this pic of Murray - I don't know these kind of things but some say that thing around his neck is a mason simbol?! And of course I have no proof but it is possible these people kill - from what I know by now it is possible they kill those who speak against freemasonry. I repeat there is not direct proof for this, just....some deaths are misteriously related to speeches against masonry.
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Re: TIAI June 25

  • on: June 26, 2011, 02:50:39 AM
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It’s time to test what you have learned in the last two years.  How solid is your hoax evidence?  Is it irrefutable, or is it based on fantasy and imagination?  

I ask myself this question on a daily basis recently, so I really welcome your post TS! Playing devil's advocate, looking at the other side is essential.

Problems arise for me because gut feelings and instinct, overide the 'evidence' and always lead me back to the hoax, not murder, scenario. I have questioned the suspicious deaths of other famous people in the past, questioned the 'suspicious' part but never the actual 'death'. With MJ everything is different.

I'll be back later with more thoughts - thank you for opening this discussion. Let's try and prove MJ is dead!
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Re: TIAI June 25

  • on: June 26, 2011, 03:11:49 AM
Well, I did not expect THIS to happen on June 25, 2011.
But it DID. And that sealed it for me.
I watched a state TV channel.
What did they broadcast?
A soap about conspiracy theories ridiculing without ANY logical argumentation those questioning.
It started with a long detailed elaboration on Paul Mc Cartney's double, covered briefly Elvis, extensively Pearl Harbour and very briefly Michael (so as if they were not sure about whether he faked or not).
And every once in a while they would fade the $ pyramid with the allseeing eye in.

I have no proof for my statement, but I firmly believe that Michael outthought them.
They do have a pattern that you will notice when knowing about them.
When following the news you can identify what they are about.
That's their major Achilles' heel: they are predictable.

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Re: TIAI June 25

  • on: June 26, 2011, 03:22:09 AM
I'm so happy to see your post again, TS.  You are such a great teacher! :lol:
Level 4 is really challenging(for keeping the faith ;) ), but now we get level 5!penguin/

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Re: TIAI June 25

  • on: June 26, 2011, 03:41:59 AM
Interesting transition of theories, from "sting operation or sting court" to "illuminati outsmarted and killed MJ" or "MJ outsmarted illuminaty and hoaxed his death". This last theory on the other hand  contradicting "come back" theory, why would MJ wanted to come back & continue his "cold war" with illuminati if he is already free perfectly staging death, and "sting operations" because FBI and court majority people are illuminati & won't act against.
 If  illuminati  killed Michael, the motives are:
1. Lyrics of his songs enlighten people about reality and healing the world which is against illuminati goals?
2. They jealous of MJ success, some black man from Indiana easily earns millions?
If Michael outsmarted them, I don't see why he should come back and continue again be a target.
As for what exactly happened, I think family is the answer. Normally when  someone's  child is killed, the parent would have not sought  money remedies filing  wrongful death lawsuit. As Jacksons used to say about Chandler's father who  agreed to settle case for large $$$ instead of wanting to see Michael in jail "for what he did to his child".  If child is killed,parents & sibblings would have participated in  investigation case themselves to find out who is behind the murder & used CM as a scapegoat as they say. Only 4 years in prison for manslaughter is not what would be the right punishment for killing MJ. How Jackson can be satisfied? Then should bombard the prosecutorr with questions about tapes and why defendant is not charged with murder, why other doctors are not charged & investigated ,etc.
 Instead, we see them calm, indifferent, writing books, working, & spreading clues. After all if Michael is really killed, then Jacksons most disfunctional, heartless, bloodless, selfish monsters deserving disrespect & be ignored.
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Re: TIAI June 25

  • on: June 26, 2011, 04:02:17 AM
So glad to hear from you TS!
Yikes these levels are getting tough!

I'm more inclined to see what the best thinkers/writers here have to say, since I have thousands of pieces of scattered hoax evidences all jumbled in my head, each one with its own possible contrary evidence to prove it wrong or coincidental. That's what's maddening--nothing is solid.

My question is how could MJ have people involved in the hoax such as his family, but only give out enough information without endangering the overall plan should something leak to the wrong people. Afterall these are ordinary people with varying degrees of ability or willingness. The people in on it need to know at least enough for their assignment to make sense and for them not to make a stupid mistake from a misunderstanding. MDC, you mentioned them possibly learning MJ’s hoax plans from the Neverland raids and finding MJ’s prolific notes scribbled on various details. But even if this happened, still the overall master plans are all just going to be in his head and nowhere else, and they would have to do torture on him to extract that (MJ is the composer putting together the ‘notes’ in harmony). TS has already mentioned the 4 or 5 reasons for the hoax, and so there are probably also layers of meaning behind aspects of the hoax, such as a magical/illusion act but also a spiritual significance. The Illuminati and Freemasonry are also run that way that members in the bottom level (pyramidal) only know enough to carry out their task such as operating a charity, and they answer to superiors on up in levels to the top who know everything (the eye) with supposedly evil intentions to rule the world as a few master over many slaves.

I agree with others here that everything to me since right after believing on the hoax, rests on the behaviour of his family especially his 3 children-- UNLESS every one of his siblings and parents are truly out to kill him for his money, and these 3 children are not really his and are only with a double of MJ. All mind-bending stuff that I hate even thinking about, but my mind has agonized over many possible scenarios all this time. So assuming his family do love him and those ARE his 3 children, they do not act like someone whose brother/father was horribly murdered, but seem happy, well-adjusted, pursuing careers, school and life.

If the Illuminati were truly after MJ they would have found many ways  to stop him such as, charging him guilty and sending him to jail in 2005, assassinating him with some deranged sniper, severely censoring the internet and removing MJ and hoax related material during this time, threatening his family and friends and forcing them to say and do things.

TS said, “However, what if I say that the Illuminati found out about his hoax plans, and killed him according to the exact timing that he had planned? Can you debunk this? Did the Illuminati outthink him, or did he outthink the Illuminati? That is the main question of this level.  ”
This says that the Illuminati managed to piece together the hoax plans and killed him on June 25th, but then afterwards would they really go to the trouble of continuing with hoax clues for 2 full years for a dwindling group of believers that are a tiny percentage of world-wide MJ fans, and that would be completely not noticed by the rest of the world.
I also have some questions about the involvement of multinational companies being involved in the hoax who I had always read/thought were involved with Illuminati such as Coca Cola, McDonalds, and also big media such as TMZ and Warner/AOL and Hollywood and the music industry, the FBI  who it seems we are being led to believe are helping MJ carry out aspects of this hoax. This tells me that the Illuminati, whatever or whoever they are, could possibly be working with Michael and not against him in this hoax. There have been threads on them using MJ as a sort of false coming Messiah role to fulfill an apocalypic scenario. Would MJ go along with a plan of deceiving the world on such a massive scale because of a big ego? No, IMO.

I’m of the opinion that it is God who is playing both sides of this chess game, controlling and moving the players as He chooses.  MJ sings in this newly leaked song, It's All in Your Name.
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[fade:268xaoml][dropshadow=blue:268xaoml]That it’s all in the game[/dropshadow:268xaoml][/fade:268xaoml]It’s all in Your name
It just always seems to me that every suggested way of making sense of everything in this hoax always has problems, meaning that no one is able to put the pieces together properly, or we are missing a LOT of key pieces. crash/  errrr  mj_dance/
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