Lupus (from an MD standpoint)

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Lupus (from an MD standpoint)

  • on: August 01, 2011, 01:07:43 PM
I know that there has been a lot of talk about Lupus so if you want to move this thread that is fine. I just wanted to give some new information. I was talking with a doctor about Lupus and they said that Lupus is a very serious disease with a definite lower mortality rate. Lupus commonly affects African Americans over other racial populations. However, this is usually systemic lupus. Discoid lupus, which is what Michael had, is a mild form of the disease. However, the doctor said that systemic lupus is very hard on the kidneys and a lot of different organs and that people who get lupus very early on in their early to late 20s will normally develop systemic lupus, which is when Michael was diagnosed. There was a post that talked about La Toya saying Michael had kidney problems so I was wondering if Michael's lupus did in fact worsen from discoid to systemic. That could explain why sometimes it felt like Michael thought he was going to die young...like in the Glenda tapes (I can't remember the exact quote) or telling Paris he might not be here for Father's day and things like that. So maybe he really wasn't healthy enough to do the London concerts and when they forced him to do 50, he truly knew that they were out to kill him? I don't know...I'm just trying to come up with scenarios. Sorry again if this was already talked about but I just wanted to give you guys some first hand input from an actual MD.
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Re: Lupus (from an MD standpoint)

  • on: August 01, 2011, 02:26:00 PM
Michael did not have Lupus. I know what lupus is all about. I lost my best friend my childhood friend from lupus. I saw her suffering, hurting everywhere. She did not have any strength to move, to talk. She swelled up, her organs did not function properly, she lost hair, her teeth. She couldn't stay under the sun too long. Michael use to walk under an umbrella due to vitiligo. Once you bleached your skin, if you go back under the sun, you get dark again, with patches. I know this too, because my haitian friend has vitiligo, and he bleached his skin. I don't know what he used, but he is white now. He always walks around with sun glasses, cap on and long sleeves even when it is 40C outside, hot and humide. If and I said if Michael has lupus it is not very strong lupus. His family would have said it that he has lupus, they never mentioned anything of this desease. blessings.


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Re: Lupus (from an MD standpoint)

  • on: August 01, 2011, 03:21:07 PM
His right hand often got swollen.

La Toya speaks alot of truth.
Michael was not a healthy man at the end, skin and bones.
The few pix of him without sunglasses his eyes were so empty.
It hurts looking at pictures of him from late 2008 up until his death.

But I do not believe the disease killed him.
They knew he was sick, and they took advantage of it and put him under alot of pressure and stress.
And from what Michael has said what he undergoes before a tour, I can indeed see how that 02 shows would have become his death.
But it was murder!

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Re: Lupus (from an MD standpoint)

  • on: August 01, 2011, 03:36:42 PM
Thank you for sharing the info with us MichaelsAngel. I don't think Michael had lupus or his lupus wasn't on a very serious level. My friend's mom has lupus and she can barely walk. We saw Michael dancing in TII and I saw a strong, healthy man in TII and I never believe that Michael have serious health problems. Yes, he was thin in TII but I never saw Michael chubby. And preparing a big hoax must have made a huge pressure on him which probably caused him lose some weight.

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Re: Lupus (from an MD standpoint)

  • on: August 01, 2011, 03:53:31 PM
Spoken Truth...just curious as to what draws you here as you sound so certain that Michael was murdered...

Also, in my humble opinion, it doesn't "hurt" to look at him at any time in his life. In fact, as handsome as he was as a younger man I love the maturity of the older Michael. Maybe it's because I'm close to the same age, IDK. I don't see what you see I guess, which is fine.

Lastly, Dr Klein has said that Michael has Lupus. Every case is not the same even so the severity of one is not the same as the next. Also - Lupus can go it remission.

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Doctor Klein know that Michael Jackson had lupus erythematosus
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Dr. Arnie Klein, dermatologist to the stars, had a long-term association with Michael Jackson. The professor of medicine and dermatology at UCLA was also Jackson's friend.

ome are speculating that Klein is also the biological father of Jackson's children.

In a wide-ranging interview with CNN's Larry King on Wednesday night, Klein addresses those allegations, along with issues such as Jackson's skin diseases, what he knew about Jackson's drug use, medications he prescribed, his thoughts on Debbie Rowe and much more.

The following interview has been edited for brevity and clarity:
Larry King: Doctor, how did you first meet Michael?

Dr. Arnie Klein, Michael Jackson's dermatologist: I met Michael because someone had brought him into my office. I took one look at him, and I said you have lupus erythematosus.

King: Lupus?

Klein: Lupus, yes. He had a red butterfly rash, and he also had severe crusting you could see on the scalp. ... So I then did a biopsy. I diagnosed lupus. And then our relationship went from there.

King: Let's fast forward. You saw him the Monday before he died. What was the purpose of the visit?

Klein: He came to me because, basically, I was sort of rebuilding his face, because he had severe acne and scarring. He had scarring from having a lot of cosmetic surgery. ... I was rebuilding his face so he looked much more normal. And contrary to what people said, he could not take off his nose. His nose was attached. But it looked too small.

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Definition Lupus is a chronic inflammatory disease that occurs when your body's immune system attacks your own tissues and organs. Inflammation caused by lupus can affect many different body systems, including your joints, skin, kidneys, blood cells, heart and lungs.
Lupus occurs more frequently in women, though it isn't clear why. Four types of lupus exist — systemic lupus erythematosus, discoid lupus erythematosus, drug-induced lupus erythematosus and neonatal lupus. Of these, systemic lupus erythematosus is the most common and serious form of lupus.
The outlook for people with lupus was once grim, but diagnosis and treatment of lupus has improved considerably. With treatment, most people with lupus can lead active lives.


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Lupus facial rash
  No two cases of lupus are exactly alike. Signs and symptoms may come on suddenly or develop slowly, may be mild or severe, and may be temporary or permanent. Most people with lupus have mild disease characterized by episodes — called flares — when signs and symptoms get worse for a while, then improve or even disappear completely for a time.
The signs and symptoms of lupus that you experience will depend on which body systems are affected by the disease. But, in general, lupus signs and symptoms may include:
 
  • Fatigue
  • Fever
  • Weight loss or gain
  • Joint pain, stiffness and swelling
  • Butterfly-shaped rash (malar rash) on the face that covers the cheeks and bridge of the nose
  • Skin lesions that appear or worsen with sun exposure
  • Mouth sores
  • Hair loss (alopecia)
  • Fingers and toes that turn white or blue when exposed to cold or during stressful periods (Raynaud's phenomenon)
  • Shortness of breath
  • Chest pain
  • Dry eyes
  • Easy bruising
  • Anxiety
  • Depression
  • Memory loss
When to see a doctor
If you develop an unexplained rash, ongoing fever, persistent aching or fatigue, see your doctor.
If you've already been diagnosed with lupus, meet with your doctor on a regular basis so that your condition and treatment can be monitored. Make an appointment with your doctor if new symptoms arise.


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Answer Unfortunately, yes. A majority of people with lupus experience some hair loss (alopecia, pronounced al-o-PE-she-uh), whether they have a form of lupus that affects several organs or a form that mainly affects the skin. Most of the time, though, lupus is unlikely to cause complete or permanent hair loss.
Hair loss may be an early sign of lupus, before the disease is diagnosed. Lupus causes widespread inflammation, almost always involving your skin — particularly, on your face and scalp. Because of this inflammation and other factors, the hair on your scalp may gradually thin out, although a few people lose clumps of hair instead. Loss of eyebrow, eyelash, beard and body hair is also possible.
Although lupus-related hair loss can be alarming, your hair is likely to grow back when your lupus is treated. The signs and symptoms of lupus often go into remission for long periods, but the disease tends to flare back up unpredictably. You may experience hair loss again if you have a lupus flare.
Some people with lupus develop a rash with round lesions (discoid rash) on the scalp. Because discoid lesions scar your hair follicles, they do cause permanent hair loss.
If your hair is falling out, consult your doctor to find out why. Unless you're already being treated for lupus or you have other signs and symptoms the disease, your hair loss probably has a different cause. Among the possibilities are medications, hormonal changes, thyroid disorders, nutritional deficiencies, stress and recent fever.


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Types of lupus
Four types of lupus exist. Although similar, each type of lupus has a different prognosis and treatment.
 
  • Systemic lupus erythematosus can affect nearly any part of your body. Body systems most commonly involved include the skin, joints, lungs, kidneys and blood. When people talk about lupus, they're usually referring to systemic lupus erythematosus.
  • Discoid lupus erythematosus affects only the skin. People with discoid lupus, also called cutaneous lupus, experience a circular rash on the face, neck and scalp. A small number of people with discoid lupus may develop systemic lupus erythematosus, though it isn't possible to predict who will develop the more serious form of lupus.
  • Drug-induced lupus erythematosus occurs after you take certain prescription medications. Not everyone who takes these medications develops lupus. Drug-induced lupus affects a wide variety of body systems. Signs and symptoms usually go away when you stop taking the medication that caused your lupus.
  • Neonatal lupus is a rare form of lupus that affects newborn babies. A mother with certain antibodies that are linked to autoimmune diseases can pass them to the developing fetus — even if the mother has no signs or symptoms of an autoimmune disease. The antibodies can cause neonatal lupus. A baby with neonatal lupus may experience a rash in the weeks following birth. Neonatal lupus may last several months before disappearing. More-serious cases can cause a problem with the electrical system of the heart (congenital heart block).



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Re: Lupus (from an MD standpoint)

  • on: August 01, 2011, 04:41:02 PM
Thank you guys for all the added info. I was just curious as to the severity of it since it appears that it is likely to get worse rather than better over the years. Also, on one of Geraldo's shows, his daughter's father in law who is also a doctor said that Michael had a lot of rhinoplasties because his nose needed to be reconstructed because the lupus was affecting the surrounding skin but I wasn't sure how lupus could damage the cartilage like that? I do believe that Michael's condition couldn't have been that severe because he obviously could dance like he was in his 20s but I was just trying to clear up some contradictions about his health and appearance. All of the reports are just so confusing.
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Re: Lupus (from an MD standpoint)

  • on: August 01, 2011, 05:12:13 PM
i have an aunt who was supposed to have had lupus in the past. i don't know, it a once you have you have it kind of thing or not. this was about ten years ago and from what i can tell she has moved on to a couple more ailments if you know what i mean  penguin/ ;)) .  also just this summer i was at a waterpark and there whas this lady there with full body vitaligo. it was all in circular patterns with various shades from sort of a goldish color to white ( seems like maybe she was a redhead).anyway she was in the pool. so i approached her about it . she said that she not really supposed to be in the sun but sometimes it was just too hot, so she said she just uses a good high level of sunscreen. she said that the sort of golden tone was actually tan. i saw her as she was leaving the waterpark area to go in the other part of the park . she was dressed in light colored shorts and top with like a ball cap type of hat. makes you wonder. suspicious//
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Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

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Re: Lupus (from an MD standpoint)

  • on: August 01, 2011, 05:16:53 PM
something else my daughter mentioned not long ago. something about people with a certain dna combination or something when photographed it showed up like a tiger(?) pattern.( not word for word , and she is not here right now to confirm the details but i thought it was interesting.)
"I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be shrewd as serpents and as innocent as doves."  




Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

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Re: Lupus (from an MD standpoint)

  • on: August 01, 2011, 05:43:49 PM






Not a healthy man.

When he was alot younger, yes he was thin, but healthy. Later on he was healthy and had flesh on his bones, Yum :-)
But then in 2008 he really started to dissapear. It is a big difference to be thin and healthy, and underweight and unhealthy.

You can't compare a 20, 30 or 40 year old to a 50 year old.

And sorry to break it to ya, but the dance moves in this is it, was not A+ It looked like he was going to break to pieces. So thin.
The man was not well.

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Re: Lupus (from an MD standpoint)

  • on: August 01, 2011, 05:44:52 PM
You also have to understand he was 50, (when he supposedly died) I am 51 and I consider myself in very good health.Believe it or not, you start feeling your joint hurting, especially when you are seated for a long time, and you want to get up, yeah you feel it.  lolol/ So if Michael was in pain, he is also at a certain age where you start having artritis, etc... It does not mean he had lupus. 50 is not old, but you are approaching the 60's.. whether you like it or not, we are getting old.
Michael is in good health, and if you saw emptiness in your eyes, it is not because he was sick, it is because he had to hoax his death, leave everything he loves behind, his family, his children, how can you not have emptiness in your eyes. I am a mother, I would leave my millions behind to stay with my children, money cannot buy happiness, but your family can buy you happiness. Michael always said it his family first, and his fans second. So please spare us the melodrama that he was sick, so frail, sick with lupus, with lungs problem because I do not buy anything of that. Lou Ferrigno his trainer said he was in very good health.. BLESSINGS.


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Re: Lupus (from an MD standpoint)

  • on: August 01, 2011, 05:49:22 PM






Not a healthy man.

When he was alot younger, yes he was thin, but healthy. Later on he was healthy and had flesh on his bones, Yum :-)
But then in 2008 he really started to dissapear. It is a big difference to be thin and healthy, and underweight and unhealthy.

You can't compare a 20, 30 or 40 year old to a 50 year old.

And sorry to break it to ya, but the dance moves in this is it, was not A+ It looked like he was going to break to pieces. So thin.
The man was not well.

STOP SAYING THAT..  in TII if you noticed, he knew already that he will hoax his death, this was suppose to be a movie all along, why would he dance or sing if it was just a  practice. Plus I do not see he is sick in the pictures you have posted. please read what I have written, before this repost.


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Re: Lupus (from an MD standpoint)

  • on: August 01, 2011, 06:18:57 PM
Well I don't see a sick man in those pictures...he looks sexy to me  lolol/
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Re: Lupus (from an MD standpoint)

  • on: August 01, 2011, 06:33:40 PM
Well I don't see a sick man in those pictures...he looks sexy to me  lolol/

Thank you MichaelsAngel for seeing the same thing like I do.. Thank you...


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Re: Lupus (from an MD standpoint)

  • on: August 01, 2011, 07:09:49 PM
Well I don't see a sick man in those pictures...he looks sexy to me  lolol/

Thank you MichaelsAngel for seeing the same thing like I do.. Thank you...

Same here! ;) He is a healthy, sexy man in his 50s.  michael-jackson/ Thank you for the pictures SpokenTruth. He looks amazing in all of them.  mj_dance/
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Re: Lupus (from an MD standpoint)

  • on: August 01, 2011, 08:04:51 PM
I'm gonna bite my tongue and don't say what I should say.
Stop saying he looks bad, when he DOESN'T. It's insulting. Who do you think you are to talk like that about him or anyone else? This man looks amazing, if you can say that in This is it he was looking like breaking into pieces you deffinitely have lost your common sense. I don't think that anyone in this world can look at him in TII and say he's older than 37 or that he's a mess. If you can, then your perception is really deformed .
 
I just want you to have in mind this man is 50 and he dances, runs, jumps as if he's 37. Think about any 50 years old man you know who can do that at 50 the way Michael does.  Most of the people in their 50s can't even run 2 steps to catch the bus and they will throw their lungs out. Indeed he's not 25, but he's looking and moving better than the majority of men half his age.  50 years old is not old as some people maybe see it. Not at all.

You really need to measure your attitude.
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Re: Lupus (from an MD standpoint)

  • on: August 01, 2011, 09:54:55 PM
SpokenTruth - I always try to be patient with new people but I have to question your motives for being here. It appears that you need to be on a different forum. Perhaps over at MichaelJackson.com.

Maybe you aren't aware that on this forum we are searching for truth and fact.  While we might share our opinions we are always respectful and we never insult the man who is the topic of this forum. You have insulted him from the first post of this thread.

I also think those pictures you posted of Michael are amazing. There is nothing sick or frail about him. In fact I think they show that Michael was healthy.

To get it straight, Michael was not frail. He wasn't broke. He wasn't a drug addict and he wasn't a weak human being. Yes, he was human with ailments like anyone else. But that doesn't mean he had one foot in the grave. Please give Michael some credit. He's a smart man and can take care of himself.

Give it time. The truth always prevails in the end.

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Re: Lupus (from an MD standpoint)

  • on: August 02, 2011, 08:43:43 AM
He looks sad and tired in those pics. May be tired of the stalkers behind him?  :twisted:

We are used to see a cheerful, sweet always smiling Michael most of the times, may be he got bad news that day or felt just tired, as any other person does.
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Re: Lupus (from an MD standpoint)

  • on: August 02, 2011, 08:49:43 AM
Denial is an awful thing, and for having it for over 2 years must be difficult enough.
So I will let you all continue on living in your pain and false hope.

God be with you!

you will need it in the coming years.

Peace.. out...

 moonwalk_/

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Re: Lupus (from an MD standpoint)

  • on: August 02, 2011, 09:33:22 AM
Denial is an awful thing, and for having it for over 2 years must be difficult enough.
So I will let you all continue on living in your pain and false hope.

God be with you!

you will need it in the coming years.

Peace.. out...

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This is a believer's forum not a none believer.. If you believe Michael is dead you are barking at the wrong tree. You are the only one here believing he is dead, Please make a detour and go to a forum for  NONE BELIEVERS.  I want to be polite and respectful, but you are pushing all the wrong buttons dear.. PEACE OUT TO YOU TOO..


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Re: Lupus (from an MD standpoint)

  • on: August 02, 2011, 10:20:41 AM
@Spoken truth, this video was right before his "death". He looks quite ok in my eyes. I don´t see a frail sick slim man. Michael looked more sick and thin in 2005 when he was accused by the Arvizos than he does in this videos and those pics you posted.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qE22UOlQts[/youtube]
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Re: Lupus (from an MD standpoint)

  • on: August 02, 2011, 01:53:38 PM
SpokenTruth, thank you for the beautiful pics of Michael. He looks his normal stunning shy self, not sickly at all.  :?

Voiceforthesilent said,
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Doctor Klein know that Michael Jackson had lupus erythematosus
  Debbie Rowe Plastic Surgery, Michael Jackson S Dermatologist, Dr Arnold Klein, Dr Arnie Klein, Anak Michael Jackson -
Dr. Arnie Klein, dermatologist to the stars, had a long-term association with Michael Jackson. The professor of medicine and dermatology at UCLA was also Jackson's friend.

ome are speculating that Klein is also the biological father of Jackson's children.

In a wide-ranging interview with CNN's Larry King on Wednesday night, Klein addresses those allegations, along with issues such as Jackson's skin diseases, what he knew about Jackson's drug use, medications he prescribed, his thoughts on Debbie Rowe and much more.

The following interview has been edited for brevity and clarity:
Larry King: Doctor, how did you first meet Michael?

Dr. Arnie Klein, Michael Jackson's dermatologist: I met Michael because someone had brought him into my office. I took one look at him, and I said you have lupus erythematosus.

King: Lupus?

Klein: Lupus, yes. He had a red butterfly rash, and he also had severe crusting you could see on the scalp. ... So I then did a biopsy. I diagnosed lupus. And then our relationship went from there.

King: Let's fast forward. You saw him the Monday before he died. What was the purpose of the visit?

Klein: He came to me because, basically, I was sort of rebuilding his face, because he had severe acne and scarring. He had scarring from having a lot of cosmetic surgery. ... I was rebuilding his face so he looked much more normal. And contrary to what people said, he could not take off his nose. His nose was attached. But it looked too small.

(REF URL http://www.12kerala.com/story.php?title=debbie-rowe-plastic-surgery-michael-jackson-s-dermatologist-dr-arnold-klein-dr-arnie-klein-anak-michael-jack)

Michael was seen many times coming and going from Klein's office over the years. This statement of rebuilding his face could explain why MJ's face seemed to change/shift a lot in pics through the years, as well as flare-ups of Lupis, causing swelling, etc.  Many people with debilitating diseases can live long productive lives, if they continue to take their medication, eat the right foods, think positively, exercise, etc., if fact defying logic.  Quite often in my experience it's healthy people who suddenly drop dead because they confidently assumed they could live the way they wanted to without living right.

I do have one sad thought or theory, that maybe MJ knew his life would not be let's say 20 more years, so he faked his death so he could be there for all the reaction of the world and live this dream. Then when he actually will die in the future, we will never know about it, because his family will quietly bury him. But in saying that, he still could live a long life, but this might be a small part of his motivation.
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Re: Lupus (from an MD standpoint)

  • on: August 02, 2011, 04:12:48 PM
Denial is an awful thing, and for having it for over 2 years must be difficult enough.
So I will let you all continue on living in your pain and false hope.

God be with you!

you will need it in the coming years.

Peace.. out...

 moonwalk_/

Typical non-believer behaviour. Wish you tried to learn something when you came to this forum. There're very important info here but it seems like you missed reading them all or didn't want to get out of your box. Your denial and your loss really.

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Re: Lupus (from an MD standpoint)

  • on: August 02, 2011, 05:22:09 PM
Michael was always slim there was only one time back in 2001 on his 30th anninversay that he had a bit more flesh on him then he lost alot of weight in 2005 we all know why!! but in TII he looked as he always did Michael as Michael and for a 50 year old he looked great!!!

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Re: Lupus (from an MD standpoint)

  • on: August 02, 2011, 09:14:36 PM
SpokenTruth, we all can look at the same pictures and see them differently.  It's a fact of life.  However, there is no denial here.  We see a fantastic man who just last week the judges who looked at 16 hours of rehersal tapes said Michael was not sickly.  NOW that's a whole lot of pretty cool people who are not in denial saying the same thing.  Michael is healthly, there are times he may have seemed tired but sweetie you try doing what he did in rehersals and we can talk.  You need to open your eyes wider to the world and see things the way they really are, not the way you want them to be. Take care, Love to All

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Re: Lupus (from an MD standpoint)

  • on: August 03, 2011, 01:37:44 AM