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  • on: August 01, 2011, 06:35:32 PM
"Don't stop this child, He's the father of man
Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

MJ "Magical Child"
Still Rocking my World…
   and leaving me Speechless!

“True goodbyes are the ones never said

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Re: Transcripts

  • on: August 01, 2011, 08:33:08 PM
I think I put this and my other post in the wrong place  errrr

How do you add on this forum?

"Don't stop this child, He's the father of man
Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

MJ "Magical Child"
Still Rocking my World…
   and leaving me Speechless!

“True goodbyes are the ones never said

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Re: Transcripts

  • on: August 01, 2011, 11:47:21 PM
Wow, that's a long read. Thank you for sharing.

I feel like this guy is honestly recalling the day Michael Jackson died, it doesn't seem rehearsed or memorized. And that bothers me.
Although I would love to say Michael is alive, I really think this man is being honest.

The only part I thought sounded suspicious was when they had to clarify that Michael was in fact in the ambulance.  8-)


I find this discouraging. pale/

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Re: Transcripts

  • on: August 02, 2011, 12:43:13 AM
i kind of get a little bit of a feeling from some of the defense lawyer questioning like the body guards could have perhaps done a bit more to insure that things went better throughtout this whole scene. wouldn't you think body guards would know cpr and also they would work as a team to insure that the person they were working for was taken care of? also they mention the hands and feet being blue. does anyone remember call of the wild? do you remember that they said something about michaels hands being blue last they saw him or something.  :-\ also it almost seems the lawyer was on his soapbox about things like not taking people to the hospitial kind of thing. i don't know if i am making the point very well. maybe it is just the lawyers job to make it look like someone else could have done more and make it easier on his client , if this all is in deed real. :-\ :(  anyway you cut it there are things in this whole thing that just don't add up.
"I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be shrewd as serpents and as innocent as doves."  




Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

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Re: Transcripts

  • on: August 02, 2011, 02:35:16 AM
Wow hesouttamylife.....this is awesome....thank you for posting it.
This goes right along with a post I did about HIPPA and that Ambulance Report 902-M.  A few things I have to wonder about:
-Michael was just then being placed on the floor when they walked in...how is that?  In the 911 call tapes the operator says they are a couple of minutes away and to call back if need be (they then hang up).  During the 911 they told them to get him on the floor and do CPR.  Michael should have already been on the floor at the time he walked in. 
-To me it truly sounds like they did not recognize him as Michael Jackson.  They go on and on about how the person looked very ill and hospice-like.  He did say he knew what Michael looked like.  Yet, there seems to be a total lack of identification during the call. 
-Why does he refer to Murray as: the Good Doctor...a couple of times in the transcript.  That just sounds creepy!
- He talked about how many people were outside....made it sound like there were hundreds.  We know that crowds at Michael's house June 25th were relatively small.  We can see that in the video.


Overall....I know reading a transcript like this can indeed be scary.  It's a very detailed piece of information.....details none of us like.  I look at it has just another piece of the puzzle.


@happythoughts........I would say this man is being very honest with everything....someone did die that day......just not Michael  ;)


@suspiciousmind.......Murray assumed responsibility...the operator said he was naturally "in higher power"...if Murray is truly a cardiologist he should have acted differently.  The fact that the lawyers are bickering it out over who helped when...just shows me what a circus that day was.  Until bam, I don't believe we will ever be able to put things together fully.  I often feel like this a huge crossword puzzle of sorts......and that I just want to peak at the answers! Perhaps we are fed clues, like the hints of a crossword. 


Stay strong my friends....bam is coming.....we just need to be patient.  You are all so great.....I love reading about the ambulance, crew, the report etc.......one thing is for sure...you are correct in saying, "things do not add up!!'


Here is the thread I started months ago...about the ambulance report:


http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,19392.msg335730.html#msg335730


We will get through this....sending you all big hugs  bearhug
Blessings Always

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Re: Transcripts

  • on: August 02, 2011, 04:12:10 AM
http://teammichaeljackson.com/p-vcm-richard-sennef[/quote]
 
I remember we have a thread of court transcripts and I quoted a lot of ODD testimonies of security as well and first time read that all Michael's security is from Nation of Islam.Was that also your post?
But it does not matter. I am glad you posted and  will read it again some time next week. There are a lot of ODD testimonies. For example, I just read a little bit and surprised that paramedic testifies "when he got into the room, patient was on the bed". Why patient was still on the bed if the 911 operator told caller to move patient on the floor around 6 min ago. What part of move on the floor was not understood by doctor and Alvarez to react quickly and do it?
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Re: Transcripts

  • on: August 02, 2011, 10:28:08 AM
rmcb
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Michael pls come back


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Re: Transcripts

  • on: August 02, 2011, 03:40:06 PM
That was an interesting read.

Where to start? I noticed a pattern here. Hospice patient. Hold my hand video anyone? Plus, MJ had the intention of creating a cancer hospice clinic in Bahrain (to be confirmed, still looking for better sources)

Also, there have been some cases about how hospice patients had been handled until they died. There was a case of a nurse who looks like still has a valid license and was accused of killing a patient. Atropine was the medication mentioned in her case, as well in MJ-Murray´s case.

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Re: Transcripts

  • on: August 02, 2011, 03:41:22 PM
Atropine mentioned in the Murray/MJ case
Article about the nurse
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  • on: August 02, 2011, 03:45:32 PM
Answer about the nurse case



When asked to comment on the story, Ron Panzer, president of Hospice Patients Alliance, said in an e-mail:

'Yes, we were in touch with the reporter a couple of months ago and provided information on what is going on in the hospice industry. The reporter is actually quite brave to even do this story, as very few like it have ever been done. It demonstrates the willingness of some hospice nurses to take it upon themselves to deliberately end the lives of patients under their care. It shows that families need to be vigilant about what medications patients receive, so that only medications clinically needed are actually given. And, if they have any doubts, they should stand at the door and stop the nurse and call the physician or someone they trust to re-evaluate what is going on. If the nurse cannot satisfy one's doubts about what is being given, then there is a real problem. It should be obvious why a medication is being given.

'There are many nurses like [Betsi Bilyck] out there, and there are physicians who also will act on their own agenda — not out of concern for the patient's welfare — and choose to hasten death. Entering any health care setting is something people need to be vigilant about, as anyone can be targeted. We've heard just about every scenario, whether it is a hospital, nursing home, assisted living or hospice, where some staff member administered heavy doses and the patient died very soon or even immediately. Just look at the Michael Jackson case: He was prescribed an opioid medication, similar to what hospice patients get, plus Ativan, which many hospice patients get, and it is reported his breathing slowed down and then stopped, just like the reports from hospice cases! If these combinations kill healthy individuals, how easy it is to kill the vulnerable elderly and disabled!'

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/abbott/090627

Nurse´s license
http://www2.dca.ca.gov/pls/wllpub/WLLQRYNA$LCEV2.QueryView?P_LICENSE_NUMBER=54382&P_LTE_ID=815
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Re: Transcripts

  • on: August 02, 2011, 03:48:50 PM
This part made me think again about MJ demanding to have good medical installations when in tour, but also, of how precarious instruments the medical staff had on board/ with them.
They are rushing to attend a cardiac arrest case yet they don´t have equipment and aren´t qualified for the assistance.
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Re: Transcripts

  • on: August 02, 2011, 03:54:57 PM
Here, looks like Murray insists in taking care of this patient till the end, but the hospital wants to call it off on the patient. The paramedic follows Murray´s wishes (If i understood correctly).

I read that hospice patients are not given priority at hospitals. This is getting interesting.
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Re: Transcripts

  • on: August 02, 2011, 03:57:50 PM
Once they know is MJ (because they could not make a connection with his face) he is sent to the hospital...he is a VIP "one"...
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Re: Transcripts

  • on: August 02, 2011, 04:01:27 PM
Low resources, if "believed dead", direct to the morgue  :?

This is a fact. I can´t just imagine how many people dies because they do not get the proper assistance  :cry:
Mean time the gov is expending tax money in weapons, there are no Doctors, Nurses, Equipment or Hospitals .... crazy.
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Re: Transcripts

  • on: August 02, 2011, 04:03:47 PM
And well, if all happened at 12:21 in the day time....why do they talk about night?
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Re: Transcripts

  • on: August 02, 2011, 04:12:30 PM
Didn´t TMZ publish an article about Murray saving a beggar or something like that? Can´t find it  :-[


More Murray--->http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089034/usercomments in movie terms


The major moral crisis, though, comes when a deranged Fallon attempts to murder Jennie and is sought after by Dr. Murray where Rock's illegal researching in accepting bodies murdered might soon be discovered. While he only wishes to advance anatomy to save lives, his accepting murdered bodies is indeed considered immoral and unlawful.

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[/size]Reminds me of Gunther Von Hagen and his plastination [/color] :-[ http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/27/michael-jacksons-body-hold-the-plastic/







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Re: Transcripts

  • on: August 02, 2011, 07:38:07 PM
what really stood out for me was that it seemed unbelievable that that number of people would not know that they were being dispatched to Michael Jackson’s address and that none of the paramedics ever recognized this person as Michael Jackson during all this close attention until it was suggeted to them in the ambulance that this patient is Michael Jackson.  Even though Michael was thin in This Is It, he was still recognizable, even to people who only had a passing fancy to him.  I could understand if in the first few minutes (since they apparently didn’t know his address  :roll:) that he might be unrecognizable due to the seriousness of the matter, but after a little time passed someone, at least one would have certainly thought to themselves or even out loud, Jesus Christ, this is Michael Jackson.  At which time I would think eveyone would stop, drop and get on the ball with an extreme concerted determination to get him back to life.  And even give Dr. Murray a tongue lashing for having taken such poor care of him.  They didn’t recognize him AT ALL because it wasn’t him.  That’s all I can say.  This person was not recognized as being Michael Jackson in no way, shape or fashion.  to me that’s virtually impossible. :?  He is the MOST RECOGNIZABLE HUMAN BEING ON THE PLANET. michael-jackson/
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"Don't stop this child, He's the father of man
Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

MJ "Magical Child"
Still Rocking my World…
   and leaving me Speechless!

“True goodbyes are the ones never said

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Re: Transcripts

  • on: August 02, 2011, 09:32:07 PM
what really stood out for me was that it seemed unbelievable that that number of people would not know that they were being dispatched to Michael Jackson’s address and that none of the paramedics ever recognized this person as Michael Jackson during all this close attention until it was suggeted to them in the ambulance that this patient is Michael Jackson.  Even though Michael was thin in This Is It, he was still recognizable, even to people who only had a passing fancy to him.  I could understand if in the first few minutes (since they apparently didn’t know his address  :roll: ) that he might be unrecognizable due to the seriousness of the matter, but after a little time passed someone, at least one would have certainly thought to themselves or even out loud, Jesus Christ, this is Michael Jackson.  At which time I would think eveyone would stop, drop and get on the ball with an extreme concerted determination to get him back to life.  And even give Dr. Murray a tongue lashing for having taken such poor care of him.  They didn’t recognize him AT ALL because it wasn’t him.  That’s all I can say.  This person was not recognized as being Michael Jackson in no way, shape or fashion.  to me that’s virtually impossible. :?  He is the MOST RECOGNIZABLE HUMAN BEING ON THE PLANET. michael-jackson/

And the conclusion is that there was a corpse, someone who just died and was look llike Michael. but perhaps with bad work done on him otherwise paramedics would recognize the patient. In contrary to thoughts that there was no corpse at all and paramedics in hoax as well, it is more realistic that too many people can't be involved in  hoax simply because you can't trust anyone, esp. government employees as paramedics.
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Re: Transcripts

  • on: August 02, 2011, 11:16:25 PM
 :'(  Just imagining the scene is horrible.

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Re: Transcripts

  • on: August 03, 2011, 01:55:16 AM
I don't know if I'm emotionally ready to read these transcripts just yet. I do want to believe that Michael is alive but I haven't ruled out that he was murdered just yet. My heart tells me that Michael is very strong and intelligent enough to get himself out of the situation before anyone got to him but my mind questions how I can be so sure. I'm not trying to be negative but how are you guys so sure he wasn't murdered (sorry if I should post this on a diff. thread--feel free to tell me which one)? I would really appreciate some input so I could trust in my heart completely.
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Re: Transcripts

  • on: August 03, 2011, 03:46:15 AM
I don't think we should give up hope so easily with every detailed report.





So why didn't he say anything about a person looking like Michael Jackson sitting up on the gurney if there was no sign of life?  Granted, the pic could have been taken on “the other day”. Either way, he's telling the truth but being duped by someone, or he's lying.  Answer: Michael's alive!



There was another ambulance in the 100 Carolwood yard that we got a tiny glimpse of. I don’t know if it was discussed, but could that ambulance have brought another freshly dead body to the house in time for the paramedics to come?  For a 911 call that did not specify a VIP, is it normal to send 2 ambulances?
Has this transcript been available before now?  When did this court proceding take place, in relation to TS’s levels and questions on the ambulance pic and who was in the ambulance trip to the hospsital? Before, during, after? Would this have affected our consensus back then? No body seemed the best answer then. If the medic witnesses are all skilled actors as well as medics, then maybe there still does not have to be a body.

That's as far as I've read.   penguin/ mj_bad/ :mrgreen:





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Re: Transcripts

  • on: August 06, 2011, 01:31:33 PM
Who’s giving up I think this plays right into the hoax.  Michael was identified by word of mouth in that ambulance.  He was not recognized as being Michael Jacksn after all that time at close proximity.  That is virtually impossible.  They were told that the patient was Michael Jackson by Murray’s mumble on the ride to the medical center.  They never acknowledge any visual recognition even after this was disclosed.  If it was really Michael, something would have clicked. Something would have looked familiar.  But nothing.  It could not have been him. Michael did not look like a hospice patient just a few hours earlier at rehearsals.  How did he turn into one in that short a time? Unless he did a Criss Angel on us.
"Don't stop this child, He's the father of man
Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

MJ "Magical Child"
Still Rocking my World…
   and leaving me Speechless!

“True goodbyes are the ones never said

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Re: Transcripts

  • on: August 06, 2011, 02:48:05 PM
Who’s giving up I think this plays right into the hoax.  Michael was identified by word of mouth in that ambulance.  He was not recognized as being Michael Jacksn after all that time at close proximity.  That is virtually impossible.  They were told that the patient was Michael Jackson by Murray’s mumble on the ride to the medical center.  They never acknowledge any visual recognition even after this was disclosed.  If it was really Michael, something would have clicked. Something would have looked familiar.  But nothing.  It could not have been him. Michael did not look like a hospice patient just a few hours earlier at rehearsals.  How did he turn into one in that short a time? Unless he did a Criss Angel on us.
I agree fully 1000% with what you say here.In fact if you read the part wher Senneff is testifying
the defense lawyer is really sticking it to him about not recognising this patient as MJ.The prosecution is constantly objecting to all these "id" questions.Now i've thought about it and if this is all real the only reason i see the defense pushing on the matter is they want to portray that MJ was in such bad shape he was not recognisable as MJ and the prosecution by objecting does'nt want to let them portray him that way.BUT how the hell does he suddenly go from not recognisable in the bedroom toperfectly recognisable to the whole wide bloody world in the ambulance pic??? Here we go again!