Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators - Part 2 - Meet the family... La Toya

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After having to deal with technical stuff of the forum and other things that kept me from the actual hoax, I finally had the chance now to make a new video.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlM1ePZS4qs[/youtube]

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Awesome video Souza, I was wondering just the other day when you would come out with another "Meet the Family" video.  There are so many contradictions between what La Toya said in the "early days" of the hoax and what she records as her official account of June 25th in her book.  I hope non-believers are noticing that too because I'm sure a lot of them have read the book as well!

One thing about the video though, if you can edit it Souza, is I sometimes had trouble hearing what La Toya was saying over the song playing.  :| ::P

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Bravo, Bravo Souza, very well done. One thing puzzles me how come a fan has joe jackson phone number? I am a fan of Michael and I do not have Michaels phone number and neither Joe's nor the family.. This I always found very strange..  Oh yeah boy does La Toya contradicts her self sooooooo much it is incredible.
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It's unbelievable. I haven't seen in my whole life someone to make up so much BS, in that part with taking samples, lifting the body, it's macabre to go into this,but there's no way that could be possible.
 
To me, she's covering Michael or she's really a pathological liar. And with all this BS, how can I believe that her other stories are true? I simply can't take anything as truth from her. If she can make up such stories, if she can hyperbolize things to such extent, how can I believe a WORD from her other stories? If a person can create SO MANY thriller Oscar worthy stories, most likely that's her way of doing it. With me, I can't take her abuse stories as true either, as they can be hyperbolized and exaggerated to the same extent. I swear I can't.
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It's unbelievable. I haven't seen in my whole life someone to make up so much BS, in that part with taking samples, lifting the body, it's macabre to go into this,but there's no way that could be possible.
 
To me, she's covering Michael or she's really a pathological liar. And with all this BS, how can I believe that her other stories are true? I simply can't take anything as truth from her. If she can make up such stories, if she can hyperbolize things to such extent, how can I believe a WORD from her other stories? If a person can create Oscar thriller-worthy stories, most likely she is used to that. With me, I can't take her abuse stories as true either, as they can be hyperbolized and exaggerated to the same extent. I swear I can't.

Anna, you are absolutely right, I am not angry at her for lying to protect her brother, but for cry out loud, be consistant, say the same BS NOT DIFFERENT BS everytime she opens her mouth. When you lie, you need to remember what you say, because people are not stupid we will catch up.. I don't understand, first it was Jermaine putting his foot in his mouth, now it is LaToya.. I do not see any of the other siblings doing interviews.. This is getting really out of hand..


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It's unbelievable. I haven't seen in my whole life someone to make up so much BS, in that part with taking samples, lifting the body, it's macabre to go into this,but there's no way that could be possible.
 
To me, she's covering Michael or she's really a pathological liar. And with all this BS, how can I believe that her other stories are true? I simply can't take anything as truth from her. If she can make up such stories, if she can hyperbolize things to such extent, how can I believe a WORD from her other stories? If a person can create Oscar thriller-worthy stories, most likely she is used to that. With me, I can't take her abuse stories as true either, as they can be hyperbolized and exaggerated to the same extent. I swear I can't.

Anna, you are absolutely right, I am not angry at her for lying to protect her brother, but for cry out loud, be consistant, say the same BS NOT DIFFERENT BS everytime she opens her mouth. When you lie, you need to remember what you say, because people are not stupid we will catch up.. I don't understand, first it was Jermaine putting his foot in his mouth, now it is LaToya.. I do not see any of the other siblings doing interviews.. This is getting really out of hand..
Let alone the fact that she talks about her "dead" brother as if she writes a novel. Maybe it's just me who cannot, for God's sake, understand how can you write and create a book relating about the most macabre things about your brother's death (if I take the situation as being true). To go to such extents, morbid details, she sounds as she enjoyes writing that, and for me is impossible to understand this. Maybe I'm different and others can do that. But with me, I love and respect wholeheartedly the ones I love, and there's no way I would make such things public. No way.

She's clearily lying, but myself, having been lied to and hurt many times by fame-grabbers, money-grabbers, I don't see her reasons yet. Either she's lying because she covers Michael (she has a job in it and Michael is behind it) or she's hyperbolizing and making up stories to keep herself in public's eyes, for fame, attention.
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Maybe that is the point of the whole exercise. To finally see just how much crap and illogical ASSumptions the public will swallow before finally waking up that something is way off here. And so far, the force fed diet of crap is still not making the mass majority choke on their media diet.

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Another informative video!

I was thinking that Michael's body about 10 weeks dead might look something like here, and if that's the case then LaToya is correct--he is beautiful! ;))


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Maybe that is the point of the whole exercise. To finally see just how much crap and illogical ASSumptions the public will swallow before finally waking up that something is way off here. And so far, the force fed diet of crap is still not making the mass majority choke on their media diet.

I was thinking the same thing. If any of the family members stated the same thing every time they opened up their mouths we wouldn't think anything of it. The fact that something differs every time they speak SHOULD speak volumes to anyone that is actually paying attention. I stated it before when people were going on a little tantrum about Janet in the beginning. I think all of the family members have their role even if it differs from what we believe they should be doing/saying.
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Souza that song choice was perfect :D penguin/
"I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be shrewd as serpents and as innocent as doves."  




Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

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Again very good video Souza!Thank you  respect/
 It's incredible what we are told ..... Latoya  afraid/

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Maybe that is the point of the whole exercise. To finally see just how much crap and illogical ASSumptions the public will swallow before finally waking up that something is way off here. And so far, the force fed diet of crap is still not making the mass majority choke on their media diet.

I was thinking the same thing. If any of the family members stated the same thing every time they opened up their mouths we wouldn't think anything of it. The fact that something differs every time they speak SHOULD speak volumes to anyone that is actually paying attention. I stated it before when people were going on a little tantrum about Janet in the beginning. I think all of the family members have their role even if it differs from what we believe they should be doing/saying.

Ditto. I wrote elsewhere the same thing you guys wrote here. It is not only Latoya who contradicts herself. It is the entire family. Janet was saying different places about the time she heard of the "death". They do it on purpose. Remember these contradictions are also what make us believe more in the hoax. And I can NOT believe how non-believers still do not realize any of these inconsistencies. What did they drink? lol

Thanks for the video Souza. It is a very good one that shows the inconcistencies Latoya made.

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Maybe that is the point of the whole exercise. To finally see just how much crap and illogical ASSumptions the public will swallow before finally waking up that something is way off here. And so far, the force fed diet of crap is still not making the mass majority choke on their media diet.

I was thinking the same thing. If any of the family members stated the same thing every time they opened up their mouths we wouldn't think anything of it. The fact that something differs every time they speak SHOULD speak volumes to anyone that is actually paying attention. I stated it before when people were going on a little tantrum about Janet in the beginning. I think all of the family members have their role even if it differs from what we believe they should be doing/saying.

Ditto. I wrote elsewhere the same thing you guys wrote here. It is not only Latoya who contradicts herself. It is the entire family. Janet was saying different places about the time she heard of the "death". They do it on purpose. Remember these contradictions are also what make us believe more in the hoax. And I can NOT believe how non-believers still do not realize any of these inconsistencies. What did they drink? lol

Thanks for the video Souza. It is a very good one that shows the inconcistencies Latoya made.



Great points guys. Also, there could be a bigger message beyond this MJ case. Other major stories do not add up either and we've been noticing that with the 33 Miners story to the Osama Bin Laden being killed. The media makes a lot of statements that do not add up upon further inspection. And it also proves once again that the mainstream media is not doing their part with researching and investigating the case fully, similar to what they did in 1993 and 2005 with the allegations.
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Off topic, but about those Navy Seals that allegedly caught Osama Bin Laden: http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/10325110/__Dodental_crash_loopt_op__.html?p=3,3

It's in Dutch, so you should use a translator. How convenient...

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Off topic, but about those Navy Seals that allegedly caught Osama Bin Laden: http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/10325110/__Dodental_crash_loopt_op__.html?p=3,3

It's in Dutch, so you should use a translator. How convenient...


 
I think that Toya does all this in purpose,... a person not can be wrong,... when it says "the truth" ;D
 
 
... and this is Disney:
 
 
Disney Trademarks “Seal Team 6″
 
http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlny/disney-trademarks-seal-team-6_b35689
 
 

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After I read the details Latoya gave about the corpse, I became more sure that a real body was used. She is telling everything as she saw it. The duck_taped gloves, how they sit the corpse and took the hair sample etc. Although I know the Jacksons are very creative people, I don't think she could create them all in her mind.

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After I read the details Latoya gave about the corpse, I became more sure that a real body was used. She is telling everything as she saw it. The duck_taped gloves, how they sit the corpse and took the hair sample etc. Although I know the Jacksons are very creative people, I don't think she could create them all in her mind.

There is a movie you should see if you have a strong stomach, called The Human Centipede. If people can make movies like that, La Toya can come up with this. A real corpse can not be bent after 10 weeks. So she did make it all up. In no way she could have talked about a real corpse, besides if they picked a fresh one every time.

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After I read the details Latoya gave about the corpse, I became more sure that a real body was used. She is telling everything as she saw it. The duck_taped gloves, how they sit the corpse and took the hair sample etc. Although I know the Jacksons are very creative people, I don't think she could create them all in her mind.


There is a movie you should see if you have a strong stomach, called The Human Centipede. If people can make movies like that, La Toya can come up with this. A real corpse can not be bent after 10 weeks. So she did make it all up. In no way she could have talked about a real corpse, besides if they picked a fresh one every time.

 lolol/ yeah I saw that one. Still a real dead body makes more sense to me. A real corpse can be bent after 10 weeks if it was not frozen. She said the face and body was covered with towels, so probably people who were taking the hair samples and finger prints didn't know about the hoax. Or even if they did, they needed to give a hair sample to make the procedure look like they had been applying it like it had to be.
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Staying on Latoya's book has anyone else noticed on page 179 where Latoya has mentioned something interesting three times on the same page "seven years of my bankruptcy", "seven year extention", and "seven year period finally ended"=777 that magic numbers again. Also on page 180" I am extremely uncomfortable with any confrontation of any kind" now I remember someone else said that in the past? Michael said the same thing.!!! Could Latoya be senting us clues but without her knowing or knowing?? Her book to me is a book of "39 clues" we just have to dig a bit deeper.

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After I read the details Latoya gave about the corpse, I became more sure that a real body was used. She is telling everything as she saw it. The duck_taped gloves, how they sit the corpse and took the hair sample etc. Although I know the Jacksons are very creative people, I don't think she could create them all in her mind.


There is a movie you should see if you have a strong stomach, called The Human Centipede. If people can make movies like that, La Toya can come up with this. A real corpse can not be bent after 10 weeks. So she did make it all up. In no way she could have talked about a real corpse, besides if they picked a fresh one every time.

 lolol/ yeah I saw that one. Still a real dead body makes more sense to me. A real corpse can be bent after 10 weeks if it was not frozen. She said the face and body was covered with towels, so probably people who were taking the hair samples and finger prints didn't know about the hoax. Or even if they did, they needed to give a hair sample to make the procedure look like they had been applying it like it had to be.

A real body which is not frozen and not embalmed will be SOUP after 10 weeks. And if it was embalmed or frozen, it could not be bent. So no way she was talking about a real body, it's simply not possible.

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I think she's had plenty of time to come up with the Michael section of the book, even before 6/25. I have yet to read the book myself because of my schedule and other things but I would imagine that she didn't write this all on her own. Certain things are written for a specific reason, even if it's hard to swallow, because it makes people (or should anyway) raise their eyebrows.
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Oh how right you are.  http://www.deathreference.com/Py-Se/Rigor-Mortis-and-Other-Postmortem-Changes.html

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Death and Dying » Py-Se » Rigor Mortis and Other Postmortem Changes
R IGOR M ORTIS AND O THER P OSTMORTEM C HANGES

Once the heart stops beating, blood collects in the most dependent parts of the body (livor mortis), the body stiffens (rigor mortis), and the body begins to cool (algor mortis).

The blood begins to settle in the parts of the body that are the closest to the ground, usually the buttocks and back when a corpse is supine. The skin, normally pink-colored because of the oxygen-laden blood in the capillaries, becomes pale as the blood drains into the larger veins. Within minutes to hours after death, the skin is discolored by livor mortis, or what embalmers call "postmortem stain," the purple-red discoloration from blood accumulating in the lowermost (dependent) blood vessels. Immediately after death, the blood is "unfixed" and will move to other body parts if the body's position is changed. After a few hours, the pooled blood becomes "fixed" and will not move. Pressing on an area of discoloration can determine this; if it blanches (turns white) easily, then the blood remains unfixed. Livor mortis is usually most pronounced eight to twelve hours after death. The skin, no longer under muscular control, succumbs to gravity, forming new shapes and accentuating prominent bones still further. The body then begins to cool.

At the moment of death, the muscles relax completely—a condition called "primary flaccidity." The muscles then stiffen, perhaps due to coagulation of muscle proteins or a shift in the muscle's energy containers (ATP-ADP), into a condition known as rigor mortis. All of the body's muscles are affected. Rigor mortis begins within two to six hours of death, starting with the eyelids, neck, and jaw. This sequence may be due to the difference in lactic acid levels among different muscles, which corresponds to the difference in glycogen levels and to the different types of muscle fibers. Over the next four to six hours, rigor mortis spreads to the other muscles, including those in the internal organs such as the heart. The onset of rigor mortis is more rapid if the environment is cold and if the decedent had performed hard physical work just before death. Its onset also varies with the individual's age, sex, physical condition, and muscular build.

After being in this rigid condition for twenty-four to eighty-four hours, the muscles relax and secondary laxity (flaccidity) develops, usually in the same order as it began (see Table 1). The length of time rigor mortis lasts depends on multiple factors, particularly the ambient temperature. The degree of rigor mortis can be determined by checking both the finger joints and the larger joints and ranking their degree of stiffness on a one- to three- or four-point scale. Many infant and child corpses will not exhibit perceptible rigor mortis. This decreased perceptible stiffness may be due to their smaller muscle mass.

During this period, the body gradually cools in a process called algor mortis. The best way to accurately assess a corpse's temperature is with a core (tympanic membrane, liver, or rectal) thermometer. Rectal insertion may be difficult and cause postmortem injury.

A few adult corpses may not undergo perceptible rigor mortis. Folklore in Britain, the Philippines, and elsewhere ascribed fearsome supernatural powers to these "limber corpses."

In the early nineteenth century, the American and British poor often prepared their own dead for burial in a process called "laying-out," "streeking," or rendering the "last offices." Women normally washed the corpse, plugged its orifices, closed its eyes and mouth, straightened its limbs, and dressed or shrouded it. It was ritually important to close the eyes quickly, being that they are the first to rigidify in rigor mortis, and it was thought that a corpse with open eyes posed a threat to its kin. As has long been the case in many cultures, they used coins to keep the corpse's eyes closed. The practice of using coins endures, representing a feeling that money, so important in life, may also be important in death.


TABLE 1
Approximate times for algor and rigor mortis in temperate regions
Body temperature    Body stiffness    Time since death
warm    not stiff    dead not more than three hours
warm    stiff    dead 3 to 8 hours
cold    stiff    dead 8 to 36 hours
cold    not stiff    dead more than 36 hours

SOURCE: Stærkeby, M. "What Happens after Death?" In the University of Oslo Forensic Entomology [web site]. Available from http://folk.uio.no/mostarke/forens_ent/afterdeath.shtml.

In the embalming process, embalmers first position the body. They then relieve rigor mortis by flexing, bending, and massaging the arms and legs. They then move the limbs to a suitable position, usually with legs extended and arms at the sides or hanging over the sides of the table, so that blood can drain into and expand the vessels for better embalming. They need to position the body before injecting embalming fluid, for no matter what stage of rigor mortis a body is in, once embalming fluid is injected, the muscles begin to firm up, or "set." (Without embalming, they would become flaccid over a period of hours.) After embalming, the muscles harden gradually over the next eight to twelve hours. Once they are set, embalmers cannot alter the body's position.

Putrefaction

In the absence of embalming or relatively rapid cremation, the body putrefies. The first sign of putrefaction is a greenish skin discoloration appearing on the right lower abdomen about the second or third day after death. This coloration then spreads over the abdomen, chest, and upper thighs and is usually accompanied by a putrid odor. Sulphur-containing intestinal gas and a breakdown product of red blood cells produce both the color and smell. The ancient Greeks and the Etruscans paid homage to this well-recognized stage of decomposition by coloring a prominent god aqua-marine, considered the color of rotting flesh.

Bacteria normally residing in the body, especially the colon, play an important part in digestion of food during life. They also contribute mightily to decomposition after death—the process of putrefaction. The smell, rather than the sight, is the most distinctive thing about a putrefying body.

Under normal conditions, the intestinal bacteria in a corpse produce large amounts of foul-smelling gas that flows into the blood vessels and tissues. It is this gas that bloats the body, turns the skin from green to purple to black, makes the tongue and eyes protrude, and often pushes the intestines out through the vagina and rectum. The gas also causes large amounts of foul-smelling bloodstained fluid to exude from the nose, mouth, and other body orifices. Two of the chemicals produced during putrefaction are aptly named putrescine (1,4-diaminobutane) and cadaverine (1,5-pentanediamine). If a person dies from an overwhelming bacterial infection, marked changes from putrefaction can occur within as few as nine to twelve hours after death.

By seven days after death, most of the body is discolored and giant blood-tinged blisters begin to appear. The skin loosens and any pressure causes the top layer to come off in large sheets (skin slip). As the internal organs and the fatty tissues decay, they produce large quantities of foul-smelling gas. By the second week after death, the abdomen, scrotum, breasts, and tongue swell; the eyes bulge out. A bloody fluid seeps out of the mouth and nose. After three to four weeks, the hair, nails, and teeth loosen and the grossly swollen internal organs begin to rupture and eventually liquefy. The internal organs decompose at different rates, with the resistant uterus and prostate often intact after twelve months, giving pathologists one way to determine an unidentified corpse's sex.

Aside from the action of microbes, the breakdown of cells (autolysis) helps destroy the body unless the corpse is kept at or below 32 degrees Fahrenheit. Cells die (necrosis) through the progressive destruction of their various parts. First, the cellular fluid (cytoplasm) and the energy-releasing mechanism (mitochondria) swell. Various products, including calcium, begin to coalesce in the mitochondria as other mechanisms within the cell dissolve. Next, loss of energy causes the cell to lose its connections with neighboring cells (tissue destruction) and to further lose control over the fluid within its outer barrier, much like an over-filled water balloon. The cell controller (nucleus) fails, and the packs of destructive acids (enzymes) within the cell break loose. These enzymes complete the work of destroying the cell.

The sociologist Ruth Richardson summed up decomposition aptly: "The physicality of a human corpse is undeniable. It is a carcass, with a predisposition to decay, to become noisome, obnoxious to the senses, and harrowing to the emotions. Disposal of such perishable remains is imperative" (1987, p. 15).

See also: A UTOPSY ; B URIED A LIVE ; C RYONIC S USPENSION ; D EFINITIONS OF D EATH

Bibliography

Eckert, William G. "Timing of Death and Injuries." Medico-Legal Insights. In Inform Letter, 1991.

Iserson, Kenneth V. Death to Dust: What Happens to Dead Bodies? 2nd edition. Tucson, AZ: Galen Press, 2001.

Oever, R. van den. "A Review of the Literature as to the Present Possiblitilies and Limitations in Estimating the Time of Death." Medicine, Science and the Law 16 (1976):269–276.

Randall, Brad. Death Investigation: The Basics. Tucson, AZ: Galen Press, 1997.

Richardson, Ruth. Death, Dissection and the Destitute. London: Routledge and Kegan Paul, 1987.

KENNETH V. ISERSON



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After I read the details Latoya gave about the corpse, I became more sure that a real body was used. She is telling everything as she saw it. The duck_taped gloves, how they sit the corpse and took the hair sample etc. Although I know the Jacksons are very creative people, I don't think she could create them all in her mind.


There is a movie you should see if you have a strong stomach, called The Human Centipede. If people can make movies like that, La Toya can come up with this. A real corpse can not be bent after 10 weeks. So she did make it all up. In no way she could have talked about a real corpse, besides if they picked a fresh one every time.

 lolol/ yeah I saw that one. Still a real dead body makes more sense to me. A real corpse can be bent after 10 weeks if it was not frozen. She said the face and body was covered with towels, so probably people who were taking the hair samples and finger prints didn't know about the hoax. Or even if they did, they needed to give a hair sample to make the procedure look like they had been applying it like it had to be.

A real body which is not frozen and not embalmed will be SOUP after 10 weeks. And if it was embalmed or frozen, it could not be bent. So no way she was talking about a real body, it's simply not possible.

This is macabre, I'm not feeling well talking into details about this, but it's true. There's no way a 10 weeks dead body could be bent. I haven't tried that myself to see with my eyes it's not possible, but physics tells me it's not possible. And to say that he was looking perfect as if he was sleeping, after being dead for 10 weeks (which mean 2 months and a half) is impossible. Simply impossible. The body would be in an advanced state of decomposition, it's macabre. When my grandma died last year, I saw her that day after like 18 hours... and she wasn't looking as sleeping, she was looking lifeless, as if it wasn't her there..Although physically wasn't such a change. But then, on the day of the funeral, 3 days after, only 3 days, she was changed.  She was visibly changed...more yellow and purple and livid.
Maybe if the body is frozen but still I don't think he would look perfect as sleeping. And if the body was frozen then again it's impossible to bend it.Either way what LaToya says it's against physics laws. And just to imagine taking off a duct-tape that was there for 10 weeks, on a dead body, to me it's impossible. You would rip the skin tissue together with the duct-tape. I can't even imagine such thing, and can't even imagine a dead body for 10 weeks would still have the whole tissue on the skeleton. No, it's macabre and against physics.
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