Looking beyond the “MJ” death hoax

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Looking beyond the “MJ” death hoax

  • on: August 14, 2011, 07:08:54 PM
 typing/  WARNING:  Long post.

Just an attempt to think outside of the box here.  ;)   (And maybe this has already been directly brought up on the forum.  IDK, but it certainly has been and is being discussed indirectly.)

Perhaps the key to understanding the "MJ" hoax has to do with the "Horizon----> E-X-P-A-N-D"  (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,5167.msg347958.html#msg347958)  --in other words, expanding our horizons beyond MJ--plus "BACKtrack" regarding the information that has been presented by BACK and others, particularly regarding dates and events.  Front stated the following:

Anna, hello!   :D   

EXCUSE me, but I THINK you may have misunderstood. Allow me to make myself CLEAR. No one is here is stating any BAM dates or "magical predictions" about said date(s), mmmkay? Instead, perhaps it should be said that THOSE dates give meaning to a different kind of "BAM"--- to Be Aware the Most. Capiche?

Are you ready for "The Voyage to Continue"………… or will you jump ship before it's OVER?

Perhaps on said date(s), one should be become remarkably aware and dissect the events that have already unfolded and WILL continue to unfold on those particular dates.

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:idea:  Allow me to make another suggestion….. Instead of focusing on who's wrong and who's right, why not alternatively pivot to the central point of this forum and this thread----> the hoax! Remember the trees in that forest? Some of them have just begun to grow; some of them have already been planted years ago and have sprouted up LONG before Jun 25…can you SEE them or are you too busy swinging from branch to branch that you never actually STOP and LOOK at each one?

 Do NOT let the trojan horse jockeys ruin your peripheral vision to attune your perspective in order to put the pieces of the puzzle together.    argue/     crash/ 


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Like I said some pages back, and Souza has stated it as well on page 77, there is no "spoon". Only small crumbs to digest along the pathway. Sometimes it is only when we BACKtrack that we find ourselves standing in the foreFRONT of cognizance, which would otherwise be A-B-S-T-R-A-C-T.

p.s. Souza, this post (and others) also contains the answer to your question.

p.s.s. Now, if you'll excuse me, I gotta get back to my magic 8-Ball……………    :? 


Front mentions "Trojan horse jockeys" in the excerpt from his post above. Here's a general definition of Trojan horse for those unfamiliar with the concept (http://www.answers.com/topic/trojan-horse#ixzz1UsDJpAV1):

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noun: Something or someone placed in order to subvert from within.

Etymology In Greek mythology, the Greeks left a large hollow wooden horse at the gates of the city of Troy. The Trojans took it inside. Greek soldiers hidden in the horse came out at night and opened the gates of the city, allowing the Greek army to enter and conquer the Trojans. In computing, a Trojan horse is a program that, while seemingly useful, steals passwords or does other damage to computers.

Usage "Ministers appear determined to use the Coroners and Justice Bill as a Trojan horse with which to smuggle authoritarian measures on to the statute book." Resist These Attempts to Make Justice Secret; The Independent (London, UK); Oct 22, 2009.

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 What is a Trojan Horse? Thanks to the Greek poet Homer (c. 850-? b.c.), a Trojan horse has come to symbolize anything that looks good but is actually subversive. According to his Trojan war epic the Iliad, after nearly 10 years of fighting the Trojans for control of their city, the Greek Mycenaean army built a huge wooden horse on wheels and offered it as a gift to their enemy. Leaving the "peace offering" outside the city walls of Troy, the Mycenaean army then departed. Despite warnings (including one from the Trojan princess Cassandra), the Trojans accepted the gift, and they opened the gates and wheeled the huge wooden horse into the city. It was a naive move: Once the horse was inside the city gates, Mycenaean soldiers who were hidden inside the wooden structure took Troy by storm, ending the decade-long campaign and taking control of the lucrative Black Sea trade.


Considering Front's statements and the story of the Trojan horse in Homer's Odyssey, what is the Trojan horse that we should "Keep Watchin'" for if we broaden our horizons to look at potential BAMs within hoaxes beyond MJ?  Perhaps this is what the MJ hoax attempts to point towards.  If so,  who or what is inside of the Trojan horse, and who are the jockeys? Regarding dates and history, Front has stated the following:

  crash/ 

suspicious// 

WTF  :?:

Don't you get it!

uhmmm…do you SEE the dates? Numbers can quite possibly be manipulated, sure…but History and dates CANNOT. There is a REASON why certain events have/do/will take place on particular dates. When you examine the numbers in the DATE columns and execute said numbers, they CLEARLY form----> 28…71…80…37 People, let's keep our heads and not get our briefs/boxers/drawers/panties in a twist. Wait for it...............

Don't know how reliable a source this is (http://www.threeworldwars.com/june06-2006.htm), but the following is an interesting excerpt regarding dates, calculations, and world events in general.  (The full text is focused on June 6, 2006.  Unsure of what major world event may have been attempted or actually happened on that date.)

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There are at least a dozen credible sources reporting on the strong occult 'signatures' stamped all over major world events recently, implying that events of global import are planned using certain patterns. Oft quoted examples are:

 
 
  • The '777' patterns found in the London bombings on July 7th, 2005;
  • The '11' patterns found all over the 9/11 attack; and,
  • The Madrid Train Bombings 911 days after 9/11 on March 11, 2004.
[...]

An important question to ask is "Why do perpetrators choose to stamp their occult signatures all over major world events, in a similar manner to that of serial killers?" For 2 reasons:
 
  • They want to hide the truth from the masses, while communicating their success (in orchestrating a planned crisis) to the elite. Public radio broadcasts were used to transmit secret messages to resistance members in World War 2. Exactly the same method works now, albeit slightly more hi-tech.
  • Our Global Leadership believes that a planned crisis may fail unless it is carried out 'by the numbers'. The most venerated occult numbers are: 6, 11, 13, and multiples thereof, especially 22, 33, 44, 55, 66, 77 and 26, 39, etc. A triplication of numbers is considered even more sacred to the occultist: 111, 222, 333, etc. The most familiar triplication is 666, said to be 'the number of The Beast, mentioned in the Bible. This number is often disguised as an 18, which is a 6+6+6 or 3x6. (See 666 and 888 for an explanation of the significance of these numbers in the Bible).
The evidence FOR such signatures on major world events is overwhelming, and far too lengthy to cover in this short article (see "explanatory report"  link above for more proof than you could ever need). Nevertheless, there is a natural reluctance to accepting what is blatantly obvious.

Possible connections to the MJ hoax dates and world events:

August 25, 2006

Speech by Chairman Ben Bernanke (Federal Reserve) regarding Global Economic Integration (http://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/speech/Bernanke20060825a.htm):  "The challenge for policy makers is to ensure that the benefits of global economic integration are sufficiently widely shared--for example by helping displaced workers get the necessary training to take advantage of new opportunities--that a consensus for welfare-enhancing change can be obtained."

June 25, 2009
MJ death hoax illusion begins.

June 11, 2011 :?:

August 10-11, 2011
Developments and decisions made regarding the London riots.  Developments and decisions surrounding U.S. stocks and the Federal Reserve.

Historical items on August 11
(
http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/2011/08/11/the-watering-hole-august-11-the-mayan-calendar/):

"August 11, 3114 BCE in the Gregorian calendar marks base or creation of the Mesoamerican Long Count or Mayan calendar.  December 2012 marks when the 5th creation is slated to start."


The Aztec calendar, an adaptation of the Mayan calendar

(The Mayan calendar is not mentioned here to focus on dooms-day, end-of-the-world conspiracy theories surrounding December 2012; rather, it is mentioned given that the calendar focuses on using "calculations" to determine dates of major world events.  Notice the "behind the mask" similarity of the image.)

Finally, the following are a couple more interesting items concerning NWO modus operandi and the timeline of a potential WW3 (incidentally, written in dramatic format, like an ARG/hoax script). NWO(http://www.threeworldwars.com/new-world-order.htm):

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The NWO Modus Operandi

The NWO global conspirators manifest their agenda through the skilful manipulation of human emotions, especially fear. In the past centuries, they have repeatedly utilized a contrivance that NWO researcher and author David Icke has characterized in his latest book, The Biggest Secret, as Problem, Reaction, and Solution.

The technique is as follows: NWO strategists create the Problem - by funding , assembling, and training an "opposition" group to stimulate turmoil in an established political power (sovereign country, region, continent, etc.) that they wish to impinge upon and thus create opposing factions in a conflict that the NWO themselves maneuvered into existence. In recent decades, so called opposition groups are usually identified in the media as 'freedom fighters' or 'liberators'.

At the same time, the leader of the established political power where the conflict is being orchestrated is demonized and, on cue, referred to as 'another Hitler' (take your pick: Saddam Hussein, Milosevic, Kadaffi, etc.). The 'freedom fighters' are not infrequently assembled from a local criminal element (i.e. KLA, drug traffickers). In the spirit of true Machiavellian deceit, the same NWO strategists are equally involved in covertly arming and advising the leader of the established power as well (the NWO always profits from any armed conflict by loaning money, arming, and supplying all parties involved in a war). The conflict is drawn to the world stage by the controlled  media outlets with a barrage of photos and video tape reports of horrific and bloody atrocities suffered by innocent civilians. The cry goes up "Something has to be done!" And that is the desired Reaction.

The NWO puppeteers then provide the Solution by sending in UN 'Peace Keepers' (Bosnia) or a UN 'Coalition Force' (Gulf War) or NATO Bombers and then ground troops (Kosovo), or the military to 'search for Weapons of Mass Destruction', which of course are never found. Once installed, the 'peace keepers' never leave.  The idea is to have NWO controlled ground troops in all major countries or strategic areas where significant resistance to the New World Order takeover is likely to be encountered.

And a potential WW3 timeline in conjunction w/ NWO modus operandi (http://www.threeworldwars.com/world-war-3/ww3.htm):

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These are, I believe, the stages of the planned Third World War:

 
  • Prelude - The events leading up to the start of World War Three, including Sept 11, 2001.
  • Act 1 - The Middle East.  Widespread conflict to bring the entire region into the flames of war, possibly triggered by Iran or militants in Pakistan using North Korean supplied nuclear arms.  The first Scene in this Act is the US Invasion of Iraq on March 20, 2003.
  • Act 2 - Israel at War -- Against her Arab neighbors, possibly Palestine.  A Palestinian State will be established, so that all Israelis will be fully separated from Palestinians (listen out for mention of a 7-year treaty to be confirmed by a World Leader - probably Bush), only for Israel to viciously attack Palestine shortly thereafter.
  • Act 3 - Far East -- "Hair-raising nuclear confrontation that threatens mankind's existence" - Peter Lemesurier, author of The Armageddon Script, p. 223, written in 1981.  Includes China invading Taiwan and a nuclear eruption on the Korean Peninsula.
  • Act 4 - Erosion of Confidence in 'The System' so severe citizens will be panicked into giving up liberties and Constitutional form of government.  The plan calls for the dissolution of the US Constitution, triggered by a significant enough 'terrorist' attack.  The ultimate intent is to introduce a global government and one-world religion.
  • Act 5 - The collapse of the US, and other Western economies and morals.
  • Act 6 - Significant population reduction using natural and man-made disasters.
  • Curtain.  Who can tell how this war will end?
Both Biblical prophecy and the Illuminati plan state that Israel is the key. The Third World War is planned to begin when Israel goes to war against her Arab enemies. Then, and only then, will all the other elements begin to occur and they will do so in rapid succession. The plan is to have one disaster following another in such rapid succession that, before people can mentally and emotionally handle one disastrous news event, they will be hit with another.  It is also accurate to say that until ALL of the elements for WW3 are in place, the plan will not commence.

While it would be naive to suggest a specific timeline for the events leading up to and including World War 3, we do know that the plans for World War 3 are well advanced, and our leaders involved in this secret plan are waiting only for the right signal before all-out war begins.

We are in the last stages of the preparation to so globalize the world that the Masonic New Age Christ (Antichrist) can appear to receive all the political and economic power of the world's rulers. This is the Illuminati plan and Biblical prophecy (Revelation 17:12-17).

In the words of Peter Lemesurier, author of The Armageddon Script:

"Their script is now written, subject only to last-minute editing and stage-directions.  The stage itself, albeit in darkness, is almost ready.  Down in the pit, the subterranean orchestra is already tuning up.  The last-minute, walk-on parts are even now being filled.  Most of the main actors, one suspects, have already taken up their roles.  Soon it will be time for them to come on stage, ready for the curtain to rise.  The time for action will have come."

Ladies and Gentlemen, please take your seats and welcome on stage the players of this Grand Play:

World War Three!

Again, this is all just an attempt to think outside the box. :geek:
« Last Edit: August 14, 2011, 07:19:34 PM by starchild »
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Re: Looking beyond the “MJ” death hoax

  • on: August 15, 2011, 01:57:04 PM
Wow. Heaps of info in this post and not quite sure if I'm up to a relpy that would do it justice. I'm liking the way you think outside the box and I see a connection with the trojan horse jockeys being the elitists and their agenda to bring in the one world government / single monetary system / universal religion. We be living in some scarey days.  These jockey clowns create the crisis, stir up the resistance and then bring in their solution, while the tv news tells us what they want programmed into us. God help us. It doesn't take a prophet to see we are living in the last days of this age.
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1But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you
2For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night.
3For when they say' Peace and safety!' then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labour pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape
4But you brethren are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.
5You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness.
6Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us WATCH and be sober.

A different kind of BAM....Be Aware the Most. If it wasn't for this MJ hoax, I wouldn't be aware at all. So thankyou Michael.  bearhug

 

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Re: Looking beyond the “MJ” death hoax

  • on: August 15, 2011, 06:48:45 PM
Thanks for commenting, RK. 

Thinking about the "Trojan horse jockeys," what else could that reference (of Front's) pertain to within the MJ hoax?  It requires a bit of brainstorming.

Something else of interest, IMO, is how the "Global Leadership"/elitists believe "that a planned crisis may fail unless it is carried out 'by the numbers'."

I agree with you that the MJ hoax has opened a lot of people's eyes to the elitists' agenda.  The MAJOR question regards whether or not this is the TRUE, INTENDED focal point of the MJ hoax  :?: .  IDK, but it's a thought worth pondering, particularly given the speculation about the influence of the Illuminati, TPTB, V, and so on, surrounding the MJ hoax.  Guess we'll find out soon enough.   
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Re: Looking beyond the “MJ” death hoax

  • on: August 15, 2011, 07:28:02 PM
Interesting perspective Starchild thank you for sharing your thoughts; about the trojan horses I was thinking that maybe the Illuminati know about the hoax and even though they don't know the overall plan they may try to misdirect people into believing false things...maybe some people try to take advantage of the hoax to further their own agenda. It's just a thought I have no example to give but like you say, soon enough we will know the whole truth because the truth always prevails hopefully. This is a very elaborated hoax so I imagine that there are several purposes and goals to achieve and if one of them includes revealing ugly truths then I presume that it is not possible for us to know everything as it may compromise the missions that are under way as we speak.
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Re: Looking beyond the “MJ” death hoax

  • on: August 15, 2011, 08:12:53 PM
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These are, I believe, the stages of the planned Third World War:

 
•Prelude - The events leading up to the start of World War Three, including Sept 11, 2001.
•Act 1 - The Middle East.  Widespread conflict to bring the entire region into the flames of war, possibly triggered by Iran or militants in Pakistan using North Korean supplied nuclear arms.  The first Scene in this Act is the US Invasion of Iraq on March 20, 2003.
•Act 2 - Israel at War -- Against her Arab neighbors, possibly Palestine.  A Palestinian State will be established, so that all Israelis will be fully separated from Palestinians (listen out for mention of a 7-year treaty to be confirmed by a World Leader - probably Bush), only for Israel to viciously attack Palestine shortly thereafter.
•Act 3 - Far East -- "Hair-raising nuclear confrontation that threatens mankind's existence" - Peter Lemesurier, author of The Armageddon Script, p. 223, written in 1981.  Includes China invading Taiwan and a nuclear eruption on the Korean Peninsula.
•Act 4 - Erosion of Confidence in 'The System' so severe citizens will be panicked into giving up liberties and Constitutional form of government.  The plan calls for the dissolution of the US Constitution, triggered by a significant enough 'terrorist' attack.  The ultimate intent is to introduce a global government and one-world religion.
•Act 5 - The collapse of the US, and other Western economies and morals.
•Act 6 - Significant population reduction using natural and man-made disasters.
•Curtain.  Who can tell how this war will end?
Both Biblical prophecy and the Illuminati plan state that Israel is the key. The Third World War is planned to begin when Israel goes to war against her Arab enemies. Then, and only then, will all the other elements begin to occur and they will do so in rapid succession. The plan is to have one disaster following another in such rapid succession that, before people can mentally and emotionally handle one disastrous news event, they will be hit with another.  It is also accurate to say that until ALL of the elements for WW3 are in place, the plan will not commence.

While it would be naive to suggest a specific timeline for the events leading up to and including World War 3, we do know that the plans for World War 3 are well advanced, and our leaders involved in this secret plan are waiting only for the right signal before all-out war begins.

We are in the last stages of the preparation to so globalize the world that the Masonic New Age Christ (Antichrist) can appear to receive all the political and economic power of the world's rulers. This is the Illuminati plan and Biblical prophecy (Revelation 17:12-17).

In the words of Peter Lemesurier, author of The Armageddon Script:

"Their script is now written, subject only to last-minute editing and stage-directions.  The stage itself, albeit in darkness, is almost ready.  Down in the pit, the subterranean orchestra is already tuning up.  The last-minute, walk-on parts are even now being filled.  Most of the main actors, one suspects, have already taken up their roles.  Soon it will be time for them to come on stage, ready for the curtain to rise.  The time for action will have come."

Ladies and Gentlemen, please take your seats and welcome on stage the players of this Grand Play:

World War Three!



Good thoughts i also believe that everything that we are seeing is a plan designed for a long time, and this year and next are going to be crucial

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Re: Looking beyond the “MJ” death hoax

  • on: August 16, 2011, 03:52:44 AM
I was thinking that maybe the Illuminati know about the hoax and even though they don't know the overall plan they may try to misdirect people into believing false things...maybe some people try to take advantage of the hoax to further their own agenda.
Very possible.

This is a very elaborated hoax so I imagine that there are several purposes and goals to achieve and if one of them includes revealing ugly truths then I presume that it is not possible for us to know everything as it may compromise the missions that are under way as we speak.
Agree.



Good thoughts i also believe that everything that we are seeing is a plan designed for a long time, and this year and next are going to be crucial

Hi, Paula-c.  For the sake of clarity, the info about the potential “planned Third World War” is not my thoughts/words; rather, as mentioned in the post, the info comes from the following web page:  http://www.threeworldwars.com/world-war-3/ww3.htm.  I agree with you that given the listed events that have already occurred pertaining to a WW3, the year ahead is worth being mindful.           

Again, just offering speculation as to whether or not these are the types of potential issues and events—concerning the Illuminati, TPTB, V, and so on—that the MJ hoax attempts to point towards.  Could be totally off base, though.
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Re: Looking beyond the “MJ” death hoax

  • on: August 16, 2011, 05:55:55 AM
Thanks for posting this starchild!  I had not noticed before about the mask opening in the Mayan calendar being similar to MJ's Dangerous cover.
 
I think that both the evil side of TPTB/Illuminati/NWO do use numbers to make sure all goes according to supernatural plan, but also the Biblical good side also use numbers all through the Bible. That's because there is a parallel counterfeit running all the way through history, and especially towards the end the fake/imposter and the true are going to be hard to distinguish. The Bible says you shall know them by their fruits. I believe the one who will be seen visibly Christians think will be the true Christ returning, and will in fact be the anti-christ deceiving the world and will come out of the NWO side. The current world-wide Christian church has leaders at the top involved with the NWO, and are involved in the deception even though the church as a whole is unaware of this. This has been hugely fostered and brought about by Jews, who claim to be Israelites but are not, who have been very involved in producing translations, commentaries, etc. for seminaries which lead the church in doctrine, particularly as it relates to Israel as a nation, and eschatology(end times). MJ has proven his whole life to produce the fruit of love consistently, so I believe we can trust his involvement is in the good side, whatever his role, and I believe it to be a key role.  It is ultimately God who is the designer of history, the grand stage, the Movie, the evil and good "actors", and is in complete control. JMO
 
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EXCUSE me, but I THINK you may have misunderstood. Allow me to make myself CLEAR. No one is here is stating any BAM dates or "magical predictions" about said date(s), mmmkay? Instead, perhaps it should be said that THOSE dates give meaning to a different kind of "BAM"--- to Be Aware the Most. Capiche?

Are you ready for "The Voyage to Continue"………… or will you jump ship before it's OVER?

Perhaps on said date(s), one should be become remarkably aware and dissect the events that have already unfolded and WILL continue to unfold on those particular dates.

Front may be alluding to future events like or much worse than 9-11 that are surely coming. MJ is wanting us to dig and research and be more aware of who, what, why, how, etc. of TPTB.  Perhaps there are 2 BAMS, one evil and one good, tied in with end times. We need to hang on to our seats, and trust God!
 
 
 
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Re: Looking beyond the “MJ” death hoax

  • on: August 16, 2011, 10:59:39 AM
Thanks for posting this, MJonmind.  What you've said makes a lot of sense, IMO.
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Re: Looking beyond the “MJ” death hoax

  • on: August 16, 2011, 12:29:58 PM
I was thinking that maybe the Illuminati know about the hoax and even though they don't know the overall plan they may try to misdirect people into believing false things...maybe some people try to take advantage of the hoax to further their own agenda.
Very possible.

This is a very elaborated hoax so I imagine that there are several purposes and goals to achieve and if one of them includes revealing ugly truths then I presume that it is not possible for us to know everything as it may compromise the missions that are under way as we speak.
Agree.



Good thoughts i also believe that everything that we are seeing is a plan designed for a long time, and this year and next are going to be crucial

Hi, Paula-c.  For the sake of clarity, the info about the potential “planned Third World War” is not my thoughts/words; rather, as mentioned in the post, the info comes from the following web page:  http://www.threeworldwars.com/world-war-3/ww3.htm.  I agree with you that given the listed events that have already occurred pertaining to a WW3, the year ahead is worth being mindful.           

Again, just offering speculation as to whether or not these are the types of potential issues and events—concerning the Illuminati, TPTB, V, and so on—that the MJ hoax attempts to point towards.  Could be totally off base, though.

 
 
Sorry, I wanted to say that it is what I think ;)