Arnold Klein Releases Statement

[alfarle]

I dont know if this was discussed but Arnold Klein states that he was out of the country for the month of May therefore Michael did not see him 3 times a week during that period.

I remember seeing that somewhere too. But the pictures clearly show a "Michael" coming and going to that office.
 
I guess we could interpret that two ways:

1) Klein is indirectly telling us that was not Michael

2) Michael was seeing another doctor there while Klein was gone.(there are other specialists in the office)---> in which case you'd have to wonder what was he going in for (which also would imply something more cosmetically complex than Kleins area of expertise).

Michael Amir does mention the visit in his testimony, but he doesn't specify how long "Michael" was in the office. They might have given some clues as to what type of procedure was done.  Although coming out "groggy" would imply something complex enough to be put under heavy anesthesia not just a local.

Another weird thing just occured to me....in the trial the lawyers keep asking over and over if dentist use propofol.  What would be the purpose in establishing that? Are they hinting at dental records?

"Michael's" mouth was covered for alot of those visits (his standard black face mask), but when you pair that with the trial questions, it does make you wonder if they aren't getting at something else by bringing it up.

Then you think back to Kleins bizarre "peeing in the cup" stories and then the constant mention of urine collection and testing in the trial....yet no one will ask the question thats hanging in the air..."What about Michael's DNA" Clearly dental records or urine sampling would establish that.

....then again, maybe they aren't after Klein....maybe someone else in that office. :?

That's a lot of good questions to think about.

[darkchild]

I dont know if this was discussed but Arnold Klein states that he was out of the country for the month of May therefore Michael did not see him 3 times a week during that period.

I saw pics of MJ supposedly leaving Kleins office wearing a mask but having a hairy chest.  Other pics of MJ show him having no hairs on his chest.  Unless someone can testify MJ shaved his chest, the  I am inclined to believe it wasn't actually MJ.
 

Hi.  Can you post the pic.  I think I've seen it but not sure.  Are you sure it wasn't Michael's spots.  He did have a little spot/s in the middle of his chest.

Tell me pleae wich one of this is?

I found this close-up.  His outfit matches the photos above coming out of Klein's office

[Jennie]

I dont know if this was discussed but Arnold Klein states that he was out of the country for the month of May therefore Michael did not see him 3 times a week during that period.

I remember seeing that somewhere too. But the pictures clearly show a "Michael" coming and going to that office.
 
I guess we could interpret that two ways:

1) Klein is indirectly telling us that was not Michael

2) Michael was seeing another doctor there while Klein was gone.(there are other specialists in the office)---> in which case you'd have to wonder what was he going in for (which also would imply something more cosmetically complex than Kleins area of expertise).

Michael Amir does mention the visit in his testimony, but he doesn't specify how long "Michael" was in the office. They might have given some clues as to what type of procedure was done.  Although coming out "groggy" would imply something complex enough to be put under heavy anesthesia not just a local.

Another weird thing just occured to me....in the trial the lawyers keep asking over and over if dentist use propofol.  What would be the purpose in establishing that? Are they hinting at dental records?

"Michael's" mouth was covered for alot of those visits (his standard black face mask), but when you pair that with the trial questions, it does make you wonder if they aren't getting at something else by bringing it up.

Then you think back to Kleins bizarre "peeing in the cup" stories and then the constant mention of urine collection and testing in the trial....yet no one will ask the question thats hanging in the air..."What about Michael's DNA" Clearly dental records or urine sampling would establish that.

....then again, maybe they aren't after Klein....maybe someone else in that office. :?

That's a lot of good questions to think about.

Reading all this made me wonder if the whole hoax will be revealed slowly with every witness the defense has planned... At the same time I dare not to hope anymore... feels like it will never end. My brain tells me with everything seen and said so far that Michael is alive and is leaving clues about it, my heart wants him to be alive and my concience keeps beating me up cause I cant help but think what if, what if he really is dead and someone is turning the whole thing into a spectacle...  that thought gives me a feeling of being disrespectuf to Michael his children and his family. It's so hard...    Does anyone else have mixed feelings like I'm having?

[suspicious mind]

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[RK]

I see a lot of the same judgment of Arnie that Michael was subject to. For instance the weird and lurid tales Jason has been telling could be parallel to the crazy crap the disgruntled guards and Blanca and son, all Neverland employees sold to the media. The questioning around his sexual appetites and habits, very similar to what MJ has had and still has to deal with. I want to state for the record...not our business..... then the assumptions that he is a dirty doctor because of media speculation and his name being brought up continuously by the defense in the Murray case. All without any verifiable evidence as well. The true facts may indeed be that Klein is and was a good doctor who was a good friend to Michael and maybe, just maybe, he's part of the hoax. I guess time will tell. But for now, I really like the skull ring and scarf that Arnie is wearing in this most recent interview picture( link provided by suspicious mind)  Very appropriate for ThrillerII

[Snoopy71]

@Jennie...


Reading all this made me wonder if the whole hoax will be revealed slowly with every witness the defense has planned... At the same time I dare not to hope anymore... feels like it will never end. My brain tells me with everything seen and said so far that Michael is alive and is leaving clues about it, my heart wants him to be alive and my concience keeps beating me up cause I cant help but think what if, what if he really is dead and someone is turning the whole thing into a spectacle...  that thought gives me a feeling of being disrespectful to Michael his children and his family. It's so hard...    Does anyone else have mixed feelings like I'm having?
 
Everyday!  crash/

I cope with it by keeping one foot on the floor and one foot in the "possibility".  Is Michael Jackson alive or dead?....I don't 100% know....but anything is possible. 

But I DO KNOW something is odd about all of this. Inconsistancy after inconsistancy is making me dig deeper and deeper, and just more and more questions keep coming up.

Just keep searching for the truth...if it becomes too overwhelming, just take a break and come back to it. It can get discouraging at times....you're not alone feeling that.

 bearhug

As far as Klein and the trial is concerned...I'm guessing he's not a witness for the defense  :lol: I'm not sure what to make of Kleins role in all this hoax business.  He has known Michael a LONG TIME, and he does only seem to pop up when he has something "interesting" to reveal.

Only time will tell.
 

[fordtocarr]

I heard part of the interview on HLN with Arnie's attny and he said he don't think Michael even is an addict at ALL! 

[everlastinglove_MJ]

My client’s practice was evaluated by the authorities and he was cleared of any wrong doing related to the death of his friend Michael Jackson.”

I've no intention to jump into sudden judgements about Arnold Klein, though I tend to believe that Conrad Murray is in fact a scapegoat of a whole scala of wrong doings of more doctors and people around MJ before his 'death'. Klein administered demerol to MJ of which Murray wasn't aware, because probably there was no transaction of medical records. Klein is responsible of providing medical information to his colleagues. This is a medical rule. I wonder about this evaluation of Klein's practice by the authorities. suspicious//

[~Souza~]

I dont know if this was discussed but Arnold Klein states that he was out of the country for the month of May therefore Michael did not see him 3 times a week during that period.

I saw pics of MJ supposedly leaving Kleins office wearing a mask but having a hairy chest.  Other pics of MJ show him having no hairs on his chest.  Unless someone can testify MJ shaved his chest, the  I am inclined to believe it wasn't actually MJ.
 

Hi.  Can you post the pic.  I think I've seen it but not sure.  Are you sure it wasn't Michael's spots.  He did have a little spot/s in the middle of his chest.

Tell me pleae wich one of this is?

I found this close-up.  His outfit matches the photos above coming out of Klein's office

According to Jermaine's book, none of the Jacksons have hair on their chest. So hairy MJ is most likely not real MJ.

[MissG]

I can't tell, because I am a white woman with super curly hair, but, should not his chest hair be curlier?

[Snoopy71]

I dont know if this was discussed but Arnold Klein states that he was out of the country for the month of May therefore Michael did not see him 3 times a week during that period.

I saw pics of MJ supposedly leaving Kleins office wearing a mask but having a hairy chest.  Other pics of MJ show him having no hairs on his chest.  Unless someone can testify MJ shaved his chest, the  I am inclined to believe it wasn't actually MJ.
 

Hi.  Can you post the pic.  I think I've seen it but not sure.  Are you sure it wasn't Michael's spots.  He did have a little spot/s in the middle of his chest.

Tell me pleae wich one of this is?

I found this close-up.  His outfit matches the photos above coming out of Klein's office

According to Jermaine's book, none of the Jacksons have hair on their chest. So hairy MJ is most likely not real MJ.

Not only that, but the curly pattern is all wrong.  It's more the texture of someone mixed with European/Middle eastern descent, and there are no visible brown pigment splotches from the vitiligo, this guys has red undertones. 

I was also looking at the eyebrows of the "Michael" in all the May months pictures and the eyebrows are too thick. It could just be the way his hair is styled...but when you look at the autopsy pic and the death pic, the eyebrows don't match there either. :idea:

*hee,hee....thank's for the tips Jermaine & Dr. Klein

[hesouttamylife]

Please explain what you mean by the curly pattern is all wrong.  How is that determined? 

[Snoopy71]

Please explain what you mean by the curly pattern is all wrong.  How is that determined? 

Let me see if I can find some better close up photos of Michael to illustrate what I mean. (good luck to me).  Because if I try to explain it in words, it's going to turn into this big genetics lecture and it's going to take this thread waaaaaaaaaaaay off topic.

...perhaps it needs to be a topic for another thread (if not already included in the doubles theory)
 

Point is--->redirect back to Klein. Jermaine mentions family members with a hairless chest, and we clearly see a pic of "Michael" coming out of the office with chest hair (during a time when Klein says he wasn't treating Michael).

So who do you believe...the doctor out of town or Michaels own sibling, or both?

*Can anyone tell if there is chest hair on the autopsy photo? :?
*edit, even better....did the autopsy report mention chest hair at all?