Did the ILLUMINATI have something to do with Michael Jackson's death?????

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I'm sry to have to post this on such a site of hope....but in all actuality, I've been doing my research, and I have come across a few things and it all makes sense to me now. It's 5:04 am where I'm at ...and I'm literally in tears. Some of you remember "DAVE DAVE's " myspace msg....symbolized the illuminati symbol if deeply analyzed. I came across this via youtube. Please voice your opinion on this...for I REALLY hope this wasn't the case and I do pray that MJ is still alive and living in PEACE! [youtube][/youtube]   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvRI1VnQAEc
I turned 6 yrs old when MJ released the Smooth Criminal single. The 24th will be a very special b-day this yr....:) I'll be 29. Subtract 9-2 and what do you get???? lol Lucky #'s . Last yr in my 20's....

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I'm sry to have to post this on such a site of hope....but in all actuality, I've been doing my research, and I have come across a few things and it all makes sense to me now. It's 5:04 am where I'm at ...and I'm literally in tears. Some of you remember "DAVE DAVE's " myspace msg....symbolized the illuminati symbol if deeply analyzed. I came across this via youtube. Please voice your opinion on this...for I REALLY hope this wasn't the case and I do pray that MJ is still alive and living in PEACE!   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvRI1VnQAEc


It just a theory ;) http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?board=13

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Okay @willddoMJ. Thank you  :D I will be sure to check those out. I need to bc since last night I've been looking like this /pull hair/ haha.
I turned 6 yrs old when MJ released the Smooth Criminal single. The 24th will be a very special b-day this yr....:) I'll be 29. Subtract 9-2 and what do you get???? lol Lucky #'s . Last yr in my 20's....

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Blessings to you Alfarie. If I were near you I'd give you a hug and tell you that it's going to be okay  bearhug

I don't know your story but you seem to be where a lot of us were about 1.5-2 years ago. I promise you that this hoax is not for the faint of heart. It takes a lot of patience, determination, perseverance, faith, and trust. Oh, and lack of sleep.

I can't or won't tell you what you should believe. Only you can come to that conclusion yourself. Just like our religious faith, we each need to know what we believe and why we believe it. Otherwise it's not a solid faith and it will fall away at the first sign of conflict.  And, just like faith, it's based on facts that we believe to be true but we have not actually seen with our eyes. At some point we need to decide in our heart to either believe or to not believe what we are being told.

Regarding the hoax, it's important to look at the bigger picture and not just one corner. This will force you to face your beliefs about Michael. Is he the type of person that the tabloids have painted him out to be? Or, is he the shining example of genius that refuses to be pushed aside.  Good, bad, or otherwise, you will come to a conclusion.

I'll leave you with this thought. In the short film Ghosts, Michael asked if they wanted him to leave. He was told yes. So, Michael fell to the floor and seemingly died, crushing his face into the ground. At that point it seemed hopeless, like the Mayer had won. In real life this is where many people give up. But for those that stay to the end they are rewarded with Michael's return.

Please don't allow yourself to be scared into going home. Stay to the end. Nothing we can do will change what has already happened and from what we've been told, nothing we do will change the outcome either.

We are all in this together. Close your eyes if you need to but hold our hand and buckle up because it's going to be a bumpy ride. Remember...it's always darkest before the dawn. It has to storm before a rainbow appears.

Oh - and don't forget to spread truth and L.O.V.E. to others. Blessings to you always.

 bearhug bearhug


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"Press coverage of my life is like [watching] a fictitious movie...like watching science fiction. It's not true." ~Michael Jackson (2005)

"You should not believe everything you read. You are missing the most important revelations". Craig Harvey 3-15-2012

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Blessings to you Alfarie. If I were near you I'd give you a hug and tell you that it's going to be okay  bearhug

I don't know your story but you seem to be where a lot of us were about 1.5-2 years ago. I promise you that this hoax is not for the faint of heart. It takes a lot of patience, determination, perseverance, faith, and trust. Oh, and lack of sleep.

I can't or won't tell you what you should believe. Only you can come to that conclusion yourself. Just like our religious faith, we each need to know what we believe and why we believe it. Otherwise it's not a solid faith and it will fall away at the first sign of conflict.  And, just like faith, it's based on facts that we believe to be true but we have not actually seen with our eyes. At some point we need to decide in our heart to either believe or to not believe what we are being told.

Regarding the hoax, it's important to look at the bigger picture and not just one corner. This will force you to face your beliefs about Michael. Is he the type of person that the tabloids have painted him out to be? Or, is he the shining example of genius that refuses to be pushed aside.  Good, bad, or otherwise, you will come to a conclusion.

I'll leave you with this thought. In the short film Ghosts, Michael asked if they wanted him to leave. He was told yes. So, Michael fell to the floor and seemingly died, crushing his face into the ground. At that point it seemed hopeless, like the Mayer had won. In real life this is where many people give up. But for those that stay to the end they are rewarded with Michael's return.

Please don't allow yourself to be scared into going home. Stay to the end. Nothing we can do will change what has already happened and from what we've been told, nothing we do will change the outcome either.

We are all in this together. Close your eyes if you need to but hold our hand and buckle up because it's going to be a bumpy ride. Remember...it's always darkest before the dawn. It has to storm before a rainbow appears.

Oh - and don't forget to spread truth and L.O.V.E. to others. Blessings to you always.

 bearhug bearhug






Awwwww well thank you and much love and hugs back bearhug . You're absolutely right . Like MJ said in his song ,"Tabloid Junkie"...."you'll crucify the Lord"....and that's exactly what the media tends to do to MJ in any given situation. So you're right....we're either in, or we're out. No half stepping. lol.  moonwalk_/

I actually used part of MJ's film Ghost on one of my film classes as a metaphoric/sybolic theme. What I interpreted from the part where he bangs his fists into the ground then deteriorates into dust (on a spititual level) was that he's only human...but when he passes and leaves this earth, he will go back to the earth...for we are only specks of dirt from the earth anywayz...made into a form of clay by our creator. :) But I won't get into all of that because there are various and persistant meanings of that specific scene. I JUST LOVE THAT FILM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL I digress.

Anywho, you're right! For the past wk, I have been making myself literally sick (swollen eyes, headaches, NO sleep...ETC) from trying to figure out what is really going on with this whole ordeal. It really hurts to see someone you have admired and looked up to for so many years be hurt and ridiculed...as well as humiliated by evil ppl. If all is true that he may be passed on to eternity, then may God have him as the perfect angel in Heaven... ;)) It's just SOMETHING that won't allow me to believe otherwise. So like you said, we will just wait and see what there is to come. :)

Again, much love and blessings. #KeepTheFaithAndLegacyAlive
I turned 6 yrs old when MJ released the Smooth Criminal single. The 24th will be a very special b-day this yr....:) I'll be 29. Subtract 9-2 and what do you get???? lol Lucky #'s . Last yr in my 20's....

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 bearhug
I turned 6 yrs old when MJ released the Smooth Criminal single. The 24th will be a very special b-day this yr....:) I'll be 29. Subtract 9-2 and what do you get???? lol Lucky #'s . Last yr in my 20's....

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Yes, they killed him.

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Yes, they killed him.

Speechless.  :-X
I turned 6 yrs old when MJ released the Smooth Criminal single. The 24th will be a very special b-day this yr....:) I'll be 29. Subtract 9-2 and what do you get???? lol Lucky #'s . Last yr in my 20's....

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Yes, they killed him.

Speechless.  :-X


Continue doing your research this will lead you towards the light and the truth.  Dont let anyone stop you until you find the truth, you have a lot of reading and research todo my love, we have been on this investigation many of us since 2009, we have faith and believe, but in order to do this you will have to search for your truth until you find it.

This is not an easy journey in the beginning, but there is light at the end of the tunnel.


Sending you much love, encouragement, patience and endurance to aid you on your journey.  Many have passed along this road ahead of you, there are sign posts to help you on your way.  It is all for L.O.V.E.

This journey is not for the feint hearted.  Love to you.


 bearhug

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Listen to the Jackson family, the trial, the photos, the videos, the audios and to Michael Jackson from what he said when he was alive.

It is all in front of your faces but you rather live on false hope then to accept the truth and move on.
In stead of waiting, making fun of a dead man, cheering on for a murderer and clapping hands when people cry out of pain, live your life the way Michael Jackson sang in his songs and wanted for this planet. Love and peace.

Life is not complicated, it is rather easy if you choose to see the truth and live in peace and love.

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Wow, it looks like there're still people here who needs to do a LOT of research and a very long way ahead of them to reach where we are. But of course Michael will be back before they come to the conclusion we came long ago.

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SpokenTruth.   You have to research further.  At first glance the videos, pictures, and trial seem real.  When you investigate, pay attention and analyze things further you see that many things are fake.  Fake like a movie.  A lot of family etc. say things because they are part of the hoax.  You have to read between the lines and investigate and think for yourself.  That is one of the reasons we are doing this.  Don't trust everything in the media.  Think for yourself.  A lot of what is in the media is an "illusion", "propaganda", and "sensationalism" for ratings and money.  Shows like Nancy Grace  and a lot of what is on HLN etc. are just that, "SHOWS".  You have to watch it with "hoax eyes".    Peace and Love and Good Luck     bearhug     ;)
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SpokenTruth.   You have to research further.  At first glance the videos, pictures, and trial seem real.  When you investigate, pay attention and analyze things further you see that many things are fake.  Fake like a movie.  A lot of family etc. say things because they are part of the hoax.  You have to read between the lines and investigate and think for yourself.  That is one of the reasons we are doing this.  Don't trust everything in the media.  Think for yourself.  A lot of what is in the media is an "illusion", "propaganda", and "sensationalism" for ratings and money.  Shows like Nancy Grace  and a lot of what is on HLN etc. are just that, "SHOWS".  You have to watch it with "hoax eyes".    Peace and Love and Good Luck     bearhug     ;)


All of these things you guys are saying is true (besides the quote spokentruth stated)....However, I just purchased Jermaine Jackson's "You Are Not Alone" book today(the first part of the book literally had me crying in Barnes and Noble...so heart breaking :'(  ) So, my question to you all is, why would he be as descriptive to write a book to that extreme describing his brother and such? Why would he go to the extreme to do that for MONEY ? UGH! lol. I need to quit because I'm just frustrating myself. Nonetheless, I'm excited to hear about the tribute concert tomorrow. I hope and pray something shocking happens....and I don't mean in a bad way  michael-jackson/ <---Long live the King! 
I turned 6 yrs old when MJ released the Smooth Criminal single. The 24th will be a very special b-day this yr....:) I'll be 29. Subtract 9-2 and what do you get???? lol Lucky #'s . Last yr in my 20's....

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@alfarle

We found many clues in Latoya's and Jermaine's books too alfarle. Everything has a reason in this hoax and Michael is the one directing it. There were threads about Latoya and Jermaine's books. I can offer you to read those threads to learn more about them. Blessings.
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Listen to the Jackson family, the trial, the photos, the videos, the audios and to Michael Jackson from what he said when he was alive.

It is all in front of your faces but you rather live on false hope then to accept the truth and move on.
In stead of waiting, making fun of a dead man, cheering on for a murderer and clapping hands when people cry out of pain, live your life the way Michael Jackson sang in his songs and wanted for this planet. Love and peace.

Life is not complicated, it is rather easy if you choose to see the truth and live in peace and love.

 
 
I was never a " fans " by Michael Jackson and i have been looking at all this over two years in an impartial way
 

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Here's a movie that will be showing in 2012.....strange. To boycott or not to boycott....???? That is the question.... :?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=IgVYdjcuGfg

The lost symbol.....
I turned 6 yrs old when MJ released the Smooth Criminal single. The 24th will be a very special b-day this yr....:) I'll be 29. Subtract 9-2 and what do you get???? lol Lucky #'s . Last yr in my 20's....

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did the illuminati had something to do with Michael jackson's death?

hmmmmm....not very much.....they just help him a little to die as he was stubborn and didn't want to kill himself willingly. crash/ crash/ crash/

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SpokenTruth.   You have to research further.  At first glance the videos, pictures, and trial seem real.  When you investigate, pay attention and analyze things further you see that many things are fake.  Fake like a movie.  A lot of family etc. say things because they are part of the hoax.  You have to read between the lines and investigate and think for yourself.  That is one of the reasons we are doing this.  Don't trust everything in the media.  Think for yourself.  A lot of what is in the media is an "illusion", "propaganda", and "sensationalism" for ratings and money.  Shows like Nancy Grace  and a lot of what is on HLN etc. are just that, "SHOWS".  You have to watch it with "hoax eyes".    Peace and Love and Good Luck     bearhug     ;)
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I'm sry to have to post this on such a site of hope....but in all actuality, I've been doing my research, and I have come across a few things and it all makes sense to me now. It's 5:04 am where I'm at ...and I'm literally in tears. Some of you remember "DAVE DAVE's " myspace msg....symbolized the illuminati symbol if deeply analyzed. I came across this via youtube. Please voice your opinion on this...for I REALLY hope this wasn't the case and I do pray that MJ is still alive and living in PEACE! #Invalid YouTube Link# 

 
Dontwalkaway, excellent post!  And alfarle, on the Illuminati matter, TS asked us whether MJ planned everything that has happened hoax-wise, or the Illuminati found out about it first, and killed MJ before he could carry things out. There was much discussion on that thread. But I personally believe your question is valid, and my answer is that I believe this hoax is in levels, and there is, like the pyramid, higher levels (spiritual levels) that we are not to be privy to at this point. There is a point in which we must trust MJ in what we know of him--his character, his loves, his dreams, his words--all L.O.V.E.  His 3 children are to me the ultimate truth that he is alive. They've been happy throughout these 2 years, and giving plenty of clues as well. We can trust that they would never have ulterior motives because they were the closest to his heart and vica versa.
 
I know how you feel, alfarle, that was me the first year or so, so full of fear, but knowledge is key, you must arm yourself by reading and re-reading everything you can, so you can make an informed decision. SpokenTruth has only read/believed information from one side, or doesn't have the faith in Michael's genius and ability that's required--this is not for the faint of heart. That's why we have prosecuting and defense lawyers, to get the full picture, not just one side.
 bearhug

Here's the TS post and discussion thread.

 http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,19647.0.html
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In this level, there is no limit on any particular category of discussion; you can bring any evidence you want, to support the hoax theory.  And I will try to debunk it, and support the murder theory.  You can also use my own previous hoax evidence, if you want.  For nearly a year now, there has not even been one serious attempt to claim the $999 numerology reward; so the timing of MJ’s death was certainly planned.  However, what if I say that the Illuminati found out about his hoax plans, and killed him according to the exact timing that he had planned?  Can you debunk this?  Did the Illuminati outthink him, or did he outthink the Illuminati?  That is the main question of this level.
   

Here's another TIAI update that might help.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,7124.0.html


 
 
 
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SpokenTruth.   You have to research further.  At first glance the videos, pictures, and trial seem real.  When you investigate, pay attention and analyze things further you see that many things are fake.  Fake like a movie.  A lot of family etc. say things because they are part of the hoax.  You have to read between the lines and investigate and think for yourself.  That is one of the reasons we are doing this.  Don't trust everything in the media.  Think for yourself.  A lot of what is in the media is an "illusion", "propaganda", and "sensationalism" for ratings and money.  Shows like Nancy Grace  and a lot of what is on HLN etc. are just that, "SHOWS".  You have to watch it with "hoax eyes".    Peace and Love and Good Luck     bearhug     ;)
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I'm sry to have to post this on such a site of hope....but in all actuality, I've been doing my research, and I have come across a few things and it all makes sense to me now. It's 5:04 am where I'm at ...and I'm literally in tears. Some of you remember "DAVE DAVE's " myspace msg....symbolized the illuminati symbol if deeply analyzed. I came across this via youtube. Please voice your opinion on this...for I REALLY hope this wasn't the case and I do pray that MJ is still alive and living in PEACE! #Invalid YouTube Link# 

 
Dontwalkaway, excellent post!  And alfarle, on the Illuminati matter, TS asked us whether MJ planned everything that has happened hoax-wise, or the Illuminati found out about it first, and killed MJ before he could carry things out. There was much discussion on that thread. But I personally believe your question is valid, and my answer is that I believe this hoax is in levels, and there is, like the pyramid, higher levels (spiritual levels) that we are not to be privy to at this point. There is a point in which we must trust MJ in what we know of him--his character, his loves, his dreams, his words--all L.O.V.E.  His 3 children are to me the ultimate truth that he is alive. They've been happy throughout these 2 years, and giving plenty of clues as well. We can trust that they would never have ulterior motives because they were the closest to his heart and vica versa.
 
I know how you feel, alfarle, that was me the first year or so, so full of fear, but knowledge is key, you must arm yourself by reading and re-reading everything you can, so you can make an informed decision. SpokenTruth has only read/believed information from one side, or doesn't have the faith in Michael's genius and ability that's required--this is not for the faint of heart. That's why we have prosecuting and defense lawyers, to get the full picture, not just one side.
 bearhug

Here's the TS post and discussion thread.

 http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,19647.0.html
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In this level, there is no limit on any particular category of discussion; you can bring any evidence you want, to support the hoax theory.  And I will try to debunk it, and support the murder theory.  You can also use my own previous hoax evidence, if you want.  For nearly a year now, there has not even been one serious attempt to claim the $999 numerology reward; so the timing of MJ’s death was certainly planned.  However, what if I say that the Illuminati found out about his hoax plans, and killed him according to the exact timing that he had planned?  Can you debunk this?  Did the Illuminati outthink him, or did he outthink the Illuminati?  That is the main question of this level.
   

Here's another TIAI update that might help.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,7124.0.html


 
 
 


I now get what the illuminati is all about. My last post in regards to this topic was about the movie called "the lost symbol"... :) But anywho, thanks for informing me of the pyramid hoax level thing. Makes a lot of sense. :)

And I TOTALLY agree with you on the being one sided thing. Since I've been on this site, I no longer feel as much saddness as I used to. I'm confident that MJ knows completely what he's doing and he makes me proud.... VERY proud!  bearhug It is VERY good to research not only what his case is about, but to also research about the system in general. Even before I found out about the illuminati, I started changing things w/in my lifestyle. Knowledge is power and it benefits in every way.  ::P
I turned 6 yrs old when MJ released the Smooth Criminal single. The 24th will be a very special b-day this yr....:) I'll be 29. Subtract 9-2 and what do you get???? lol Lucky #'s . Last yr in my 20's....

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In refference to the comment TS_Comments posted today in regards to the post about the illuminati having something to do w/MJ's death:


Hey TS, stop lurking and start defending your murder theory. Your attempts so far have been disappointing. Come on, use that big imagination of yours! ;)

 lolol/

Okay, here we go ...
 
First, there are the three points from last time: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,20587.msg360085/topicseen.html#msg360085
 
You said I cheated, but I doubt that you are planning to elaborate on just exactly how I supposedly cheated??   :shock:   :roll:   :shock:
 
Also, you yourself mentioned the mystery person in the bedroom: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,20587.msg360969.html#msg360969
 
The 32 stars in the seal proves that the court is in on the murder plot (more details on that shortly).  You see, if they ever get busted for being an accomplice in a murder conspiracy, all they have to do is show the 32 stars and say: you can't get the court in trouble, because it wasn't official court anyway!   /bravo/
 
Dr. Murray cried in court.  So that proves he knows MJ is dead, and he started having some regrets for being part of this colossal murder plot.
 
Speaking of Dr. Murray, Elsa said: "You have won the murder theory TS? Then -like Dr Murray- you have incriminated yourself. The foreknowledge you have shown proves you must be in on the murder plot and this elaborate hoax cover-up."
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,20587.msg360454.html#msg360454
 
Well, perhaps I have incriminated myself like Dr. Murray BECAUSE I AM DR. MURRAY!?!?!   :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
Finally, there is a thread with this question in the title: "Did the ILLUMINATI have something to do with Michael Jackson's death?????"
 
SpokenTruth answered the question very clearly: "Yes, they killed him."
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,20766.msg361084.html#msg361084

Now that is unmistakable clear.  Surely, with a username like SpokenTRUTH, the answer given could not possibly be anything other than true, right???    suspicious//    smiley_spider    suspicious//

My question is, since it is indeed "true",then...?? ....UGH....! I'm sooooooooo confused! I just watched two videos in regards to the illuminati and MJ , Jermaine basically said that his conversion to becoming Muslim WOULD HAVE SAVED him ,then the video goes on to say that the illimunati obviously had knowledge of this and got to him before he could spread the word of their evils. I would post the videos but I don't want to upset anyone on this forum being already upset as idk what myself. I'm getting the impression from the previous comment that ts_comments made as well as spokentruth that he's either REALLY gone or either that he saved himself by KNOWING of what they were conspiring and cheated the system. I for some reason can't fathom the fact that he's gone....WHY?! IDK. It's like a mind warfare....and it's literally driving me insane lol.

Here it is my 29th, and I'm debating on what's really going on or has gone on rather.

Still a believer but so confused about this whole illuminati thing and who outsmarted who. Jermaine basically spelled out the conspiracy in the video that I'm reffering to then starts to cry.

It's just something about this system that I can't let go of....and it frightens me. I really do hope ppl become aware of what the nwo is and takes action and gains a spirituality within themselves.
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I turned 6 yrs old when MJ released the Smooth Criminal single. The 24th will be a very special b-day this yr....:) I'll be 29. Subtract 9-2 and what do you get???? lol Lucky #'s . Last yr in my 20's....

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@alfarle, TS was being sarcastic in that comment!  MJ is just fine - now go and enjoy your birthday, maybe with some of those rather tasty looking cakes and biscuits you've been sneaking in the bottom of your posts!!!   bearhug

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@alfarle, TS was being sarcastic in that comment!  MJ is just fine - now go and enjoy your birthday, maybe with some of those rather tasty looking cakes and biscuits you've been sneaking in the bottom of your posts!!!   bearhug

WheW I surely hope so :| ::P  ;)) & THANKS  :) I guess I will....lol lolol/ bearhug
I turned 6 yrs old when MJ released the Smooth Criminal single. The 24th will be a very special b-day this yr....:) I'll be 29. Subtract 9-2 and what do you get???? lol Lucky #'s . Last yr in my 20's....