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proof autopsy pic is a fake

  • on: October 23, 2011, 03:05:16 PM
don't know if this was posted already. sorry to repeat if it did!
found it on facebook. pretty conclusive if you ask me.

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Re: proof autopsy pic is a fake

  • on: October 23, 2011, 03:23:14 PM
Thanks for posting this pic, but it was discussed on the other threads.. autposy pictures..


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Re: proof autopsy pic is a fake

  • on: October 23, 2011, 04:02:15 PM
Wow, I haven't seen this. It's the exact same. Omg.


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Re: proof autopsy pic is a fake

  • on: October 23, 2011, 04:05:59 PM
I already posted this in another thread.
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Re: proof autopsy pic is a fake

  • on: October 23, 2011, 04:51:17 PM
It's not proof. It shows that the person on the table is Michael. Funny how many were saying it didn't look anything like him, and now we have an exact match.

Anyways, it is only showing that the face matches Michael, whether it is photoshopped, MJ posed for this picture or even if he would really have died (which we know is not true), but proof of hoax/fake picture? No.

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Re: proof autopsy pic is a fake

  • on: October 23, 2011, 06:28:08 PM
It's not proof. It shows that the person on the table is Michael. Funny how many were saying it didn't look anything like him, and now we have an exact match.

Anyways, it is only showing that the face matches Michael, whether it is photoshopped, MJ posed for this picture or even if he would really have died (which we know is not true), but proof of hoax/fake picture? No.



in my opinion it's quite the opposit. it actually shows that someone used the old photo from the "in the closet" video, or at least the eyes frame of that pic, and plantqphotoshopped it into the autopsy picture.
doesn't it? 
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Re: proof autopsy pic is a fake

  • on: October 23, 2011, 06:37:08 PM
It's not proof. It shows that the person on the table is Michael. Funny how many were saying it didn't look anything like him, and now we have an exact match.

Anyways, it is only showing that the face matches Michael, whether it is photoshopped, MJ posed for this picture or even if he would really have died (which we know is not true), but proof of hoax/fake picture? No.



in my opinion it's quite the opposit. it actually shows that someone used the old photo from the "in the closet" video, or at least the eyes frame of that pic, and plantqphotoshopped it into the autopsy picture.
doesn't it? 

No it doesn't sorry.  Michael has thousands and thousands of poses and pictures over the years.  Michael's face is Michael's face.  They are gonna look the same...dependent on the era.

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Re: proof autopsy pic is a fake

  • on: October 23, 2011, 06:43:01 PM
Question is, is this how Michael looked in 2009??

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Re: proof autopsy pic is a fake

  • on: October 23, 2011, 06:44:36 PM
It's not proof. It shows that the person on the table is Michael. Funny how many were saying it didn't look anything like him, and now we have an exact match.

Anyways, it is only showing that the face matches Michael, whether it is photoshopped, MJ posed for this picture or even if he would really have died (which we know is not true), but proof of hoax/fake picture? No.



in my opinion it's quite the opposit. it actually shows that someone used the old photo from the "in the closet" video, or at least the eyes frame of that pic, and plantqphotoshopped it into the autopsy picture.
doesn't it? 

No it doesn't sorry.  Michael has thousands and thousands of poses and pictures over the years.  Michael's face is Michael's face.  They are gonna look the same...dependent on the era.

I don't mean the shape of the eyes, I mean the colors - he was wearing a little eye shaddow in that video, or some other sort of eye make up - not just the usual black eyeliner he always had on. or maybe it's the lighting, I don't know. anyway, it looks exactly the same to me, as if it was just cut off that old pic.
but maybe it's just me  ;))
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Re: proof autopsy pic is a fake

  • on: October 23, 2011, 07:43:35 PM
Still the autopsy pic doesn't look any like Michael to me. The one who made this ITC picture, she added it on the autopsy pic and that's how the shape of the eyes and eye-brows changed. In the original autopsy pic, it is not like that and the shape of the eyes and eye-brows are not Michael's. Unless they changed it all on the photoshop. It's funny to see people think Michael would pose for this picture. Why would he? When there's something called Photoshop, he doesn't need to pose for the pic. And that is definitely not Michael in that pic imo. Not his body, not his face.
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Re: proof autopsy pic is a fake

  • on: October 23, 2011, 07:52:22 PM
Still the autopsy pic doesn't look any like Michael to me. The one who made this ITC picture, she added it on the autopsy pic and that's how the shape of the eyes and eye-brows changed. In the original autopsy pic, it is not like that and the shape of the eyes and eye-brows are not Michael's. Unless they changed it all on the photoshop. It's funny to see people think Michael would pose for this picture. Why would he? When there's something called Photoshop, he doesn't need to pose for the pic. And that is definitely not Michael in that pic imo. Not his body, not his face.

Plus, as  I recall Michael hated being photographed naked. That's one thing he despized greatly as it was traumatic to him. Why would he pose for a photo naked when he was traumatized the last time it happened?
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Re: proof autopsy pic is a fake

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Re: proof autopsy pic is a fake

  • on: October 23, 2011, 08:18:23 PM
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Re: proof autopsy pic is a fake

  • on: October 23, 2011, 08:33:37 PM
Still the autopsy pic doesn't look any like Michael to me. The one who made this ITC picture, she added it on the autopsy pic and that's how the shape of the eyes and eye-brows changed. In the original autopsy pic, it is not like that and the shape of the eyes and eye-brows are not Michael's. Unless they changed it all on the photoshop. It's funny to see people think Michael would pose for this picture. Why would he? When there's something called Photoshop, he doesn't need to pose for the pic. And that is definitely not Michael in that pic imo. Not his body, not his face.

I agree with you - I also don't think michael posed for this picture and it hardly looks like him.I think it's a double or a wax figure. maybe they also retouched it with photoshop.
I just found this pic and found it interesting.
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Re: proof autopsy pic is a fake

  • on: October 23, 2011, 08:38:00 PM
Autopsy report said decedent was "unshaven". Decedent here looks shaven to me. Just sayin'...
 
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Re: proof autopsy pic is a fake

  • on: October 23, 2011, 08:44:14 PM


the awasome part is that this show was canceled :)
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Re: proof autopsy pic is a fake

  • on: October 23, 2011, 11:04:03 PM
Still the autopsy pic doesn't look any like Michael to me. The one who made this ITC picture, she added it on the autopsy pic and that's how the shape of the eyes and eye-brows changed. In the original autopsy pic, it is not like that and the shape of the eyes and eye-brows are not Michael's. Unless they changed it all on the photoshop. It's funny to see people think Michael would pose for this picture. Why would he? When there's something called Photoshop, he doesn't need to pose for the pic. And that is definitely not Michael in that pic imo. Not his body, not his face.

I agree with you - I also don't think michael posed for this picture and it hardly looks like him.I think it's a double or a wax figure. maybe they also retouched it with photoshop.
I just found this pic and found it interesting.

When he had a chance to use a wax dummy or use simple photoshop, why would he pose for this terrible picture? I don't get it. The neck part of the body looks like a dummy to me.

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Re: proof autopsy pic is a fake

  • on: October 23, 2011, 11:10:46 PM
I agree, it doesn't look very much like Michael. It looks like a double or something, and maybe they photshopped his eye there? The way it fits perfectly like that.. it was very good photoshop work, though.


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Re: proof autopsy pic is a fake

  • on: October 24, 2011, 12:41:16 AM
Of course, Michael's face is going to look like Michael's face... ;)

Why is his head, in the autopsy image, in a similar position to how it is, in the In The Closet image?
You'd think there would be a slight, noticeable difference in the way his face is positioned. Also, why isn't the photo clearer? Smfh. Are we in the dark ages or something... :?:

I agree; the image isn't actual concrete proof of anything, though.

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Re: proof autopsy pic is a fake

  • on: October 24, 2011, 12:46:43 AM
Autopsy report said decedent was "unshaven". Decedent here looks shaven to me. Just sayin'...
 

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Re: proof autopsy pic is a fake

  • on: October 24, 2011, 12:57:55 AM
I think his colouring alone speaks volumes.  He should be blue-ish by this point.

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Re: proof autopsy pic is a fake

  • on: October 24, 2011, 11:12:30 AM
Still the autopsy pic doesn't look any like Michael to me. The one who made this ITC picture, she added it on the autopsy pic and that's how the shape of the eyes and eye-brows changed. In the original autopsy pic, it is not like that and the shape of the eyes and eye-brows are not Michael's. Unless they changed it all on the photoshop. It's funny to see people think Michael would pose for this picture. Why would he? When there's something called Photoshop, he doesn't need to pose for the pic. And that is definitely not Michael in that pic imo. Not his body, not his face.

Plus, as  I recall Michael hated being photographed naked. That's one thing he despized greatly as it was traumatic to him. Why would he pose for a photo naked when he was traumatized the last time it happened?


I think that Michael posed for the photo (and the gurney photo), even if this particular photo is photoshopped, which since we are all going in circles trying to figure out if it is Michael, a photoshop job or dummy would make sense. Why not have Michael pose for the picture and then photoshop it so it does look like him but not quite what we are use to seeing. Not only that but I have said this over and over again, these photos did not need to be taken on 6/25. Who's to say that these photos weren't taken some time before which would be another reason for us to scratch our heads. As for posing naked for the photos, we have the slightest idea what is under that black square. For all we know he could have shorts on or briefs. That could be one of the reasons why the black square is so big. Also, if we look at it from a "movie" perspective then it's not really posing nude it's playing a part/acting. I am more then positive that 'make-up' was used in areas, probably for coloration etc. Also if it were me I wouldn't want to have a stand in doing it or a dummy I would want to do it myself. I also think that Michael would want control over this aspect of his creation, what better way of doing it then doing it himself.
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Re: proof autopsy pic is a fake

  • on: October 24, 2011, 11:14:55 AM
Still the autopsy pic doesn't look any like Michael to me. The one who made this ITC picture, she added it on the autopsy pic and that's how the shape of the eyes and eye-brows changed. In the original autopsy pic, it is not like that and the shape of the eyes and eye-brows are not Michael's. Unless they changed it all on the photoshop. It's funny to see people think Michael would pose for this picture. Why would he? When there's something called Photoshop, he doesn't need to pose for the pic. And that is definitely not Michael in that pic imo. Not his body, not his face.

Plus, as  I recall Michael hated being photographed naked. That's one thing he despized greatly as it was traumatic to him. Why would he pose for a photo naked when he was traumatized the last time it happened?


I think that Michael posed for the photo (and the gurney photo), even if this particular photo is photoshopped, which since we are all going in circles trying to figure out if it is Michael, a photoshop job or dummy would make sense. Why not have Michael pose for the picture and then photoshop it so it does look like him but not quite what we are use to seeing. Not only that but I have said this over and over again, these photos did not need to be taken on 6/25. Who's to say that these photos weren't taken some time before which would be another reason for us to scratch our heads. As for posing naked for the photos, we have the slightest idea what is under that black square. For all we know he could have shorts on or briefs. That could be one of the reasons why the black square is so big. Also, if we look at it from a "movie" perspective then it's not really posing nude it's playing a part/acting. I am more then positive that 'make-up' was used in areas, probably for coloration etc. Also if it were me I wouldn't want to have a stand in doing it or a dummy I would want to do it myself. I also think that Michael would want control over this aspect of his creation, what better way of doing it then doing it himself.

After last time, I seriously doubt Michael would do this again. I mean come on guys, let's be realistic here.

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Re: proof autopsy pic is a fake

  • on: October 24, 2011, 11:29:35 AM
Still the autopsy pic doesn't look any like Michael to me. The one who made this ITC picture, she added it on the autopsy pic and that's how the shape of the eyes and eye-brows changed. In the original autopsy pic, it is not like that and the shape of the eyes and eye-brows are not Michael's. Unless they changed it all on the photoshop. It's funny to see people think Michael would pose for this picture. Why would he? When there's something called Photoshop, he doesn't need to pose for the pic. And that is definitely not Michael in that pic imo. Not his body, not his face.

Plus, as  I recall Michael hated being photographed naked. That's one thing he despized greatly as it was traumatic to him. Why would he pose for a photo naked when he was traumatized the last time it happened?


I think that Michael posed for the photo (and the gurney photo), even if this particular photo is photoshopped, which since we are all going in circles trying to figure out if it is Michael, a photoshop job or dummy would make sense. Why not have Michael pose for the picture and then photoshop it so it does look like him but not quite what we are use to seeing. Not only that but I have said this over and over again, these photos did not need to be taken on 6/25. Who's to say that these photos weren't taken some time before which would be another reason for us to scratch our heads. As for posing naked for the photos, we have the slightest idea what is under that black square. For all we know he could have shorts on or briefs. That could be one of the reasons why the black square is so big. Also, if we look at it from a "movie" perspective then it's not really posing nude it's playing a part/acting. I am more then positive that 'make-up' was used in areas, probably for coloration etc. Also if it were me I wouldn't want to have a stand in doing it or a dummy I would want to do it myself. I also think that Michael would want control over this aspect of his creation, what better way of doing it then doing it himself.

After last time, I seriously doubt Michael would do this again. I mean come on guys, let's be realistic here.



I can only speak for myself but it's surprising what people are capable of when they have the right motivation.

I was just throwing out options there's no need for the "I mean come on guys, let's be realistic here." comment. That's all anyone does here unless they have stone cold hard facts, we are all just throwing around opinions based on what we see and as time goes by we weed thru. So unless someone can confirm that this is nothing more then a photoshop job or a dummy then my thought isn't too far out there.

Again just my own personal thought:
I am sure that is an experience he would never want to go thru again and rightfully so, how ever the circumstances are different and he is in charge. Just like he was in charge (I'm pretty sure) of 'You Are Not Alone' and the only thing saving him from fulfilling some girls dream was a thin cloth.

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Re: proof autopsy pic is a fake

  • on: October 24, 2011, 11:46:19 AM
Still the autopsy pic doesn't look any like Michael to me. The one who made this ITC picture, she added it on the autopsy pic and that's how the shape of the eyes and eye-brows changed. In the original autopsy pic, it is not like that and the shape of the eyes and eye-brows are not Michael's. Unless they changed it all on the photoshop. It's funny to see people think Michael would pose for this picture. Why would he? When there's something called Photoshop, he doesn't need to pose for the pic. And that is definitely not Michael in that pic imo. Not his body, not his face.

Plus, as  I recall Michael hated being photographed naked. That's one thing he despized greatly as it was traumatic to him. Why would he pose for a photo naked when he was traumatized the last time it happened?


I think that Michael posed for the photo (and the gurney photo), even if this particular photo is photoshopped, which since we are all going in circles trying to figure out if it is Michael, a photoshop job or dummy would make sense. Why not have Michael pose for the picture and then photoshop it so it does look like him but not quite what we are use to seeing. Not only that but I have said this over and over again, these photos did not need to be taken on 6/25. Who's to say that these photos weren't taken some time before which would be another reason for us to scratch our heads. As for posing naked for the photos, we have the slightest idea what is under that black square. For all we know he could have shorts on or briefs. That could be one of the reasons why the black square is so big. Also, if we look at it from a "movie" perspective then it's not really posing nude it's playing a part/acting. I am more then positive that 'make-up' was used in areas, probably for coloration etc. Also if it were me I wouldn't want to have a stand in doing it or a dummy I would want to do it myself. I also think that Michael would want control over this aspect of his creation, what better way of doing it then doing it himself.

After last time, I seriously doubt Michael would do this again. I mean come on guys, let's be realistic here.



I can only speak for myself but it's surprising what people are capable of when they have the right motivation.

I was just throwing out options there's no need for the "I mean come on guys, let's be realistic here." comment. That's all anyone does here unless they have stone cold hard facts, we are all just throwing around opinions based on what we see and as time goes by we weed thru. So unless someone can confirm that this is nothing more then a photoshop job or a dummy then my thought isn't too far out there.

Again just my own personal thought:
I am sure that is an experience he would never want to go thru again and rightfully so, how ever the circumstances are different and he is in charge. Just like he was in charge (I'm pretty sure) of 'You Are Not Alone' and the only thing saving him from fulfilling some girls dream was a thin cloth.

Being realistic is a hard thing to do when you look at the person behind the curtain pulling all the stings.

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