Michael Jackson Former Manager Says Propofol Use Began in 1999

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Michael JacksonFormer Manager Says Propofol Use Began in 1999

11/13/2011 7:22 AM PST BY TMZ STAFF



Michael Jackson took Propofol as early as 1999, a former manager claims in a new book -- and says Jackson was late to his 30th anniversary concerts because he was drugged up.

Frank Cascio, a former personal assistant to Jackson who eventually became his close friend and manager, writes that he first noticed Jackson taking Demerol in 1993 during his "Dangerous" tour. He says Jackson was first introduced to the drug in 1984, after Jackson burned his head during a Pepsi commercial shoot.

In the book, an advanced copy of which was obtained by the AP, Cascio claims Jackson took Propofol in 1999 after a stage accident in Munich.

Cascio says he spoke to Jackson's siblings about his drug use in 2001 and they tried to approach Jackson about it -- but MJ "simply pushed them away."

Writing about Jackson's death, Cascio says Michael "died in his endless quest to attain some inner peace."

http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/13/michael-jackson-book-frank-cascio/
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We need pharmacists to speak outside their small twitter accounts.
People, managers and media especially, still have no clue about what
is Demerol and what is Propofol and what are they taken for.
I get impression for most out there Demerol=Propofol. Which is wrong on
so many levels. Education anyone? Special courses for media people.

Okay. I thought the initial story was Michael couldn't sleep during HIStory tour
[he hated touring, he had reasons]
and maybe that's when he first needed anaesthesiologist to travel with him.
Propofol or it's analogue was used - no idea.
Demerol has it's own story, painkillers started in 80s and were battled in around 1993.
Demerol was making come back in early 00s, and our pretty Dr.Klein was using it
on Michael in 09 as we all know now, irregular doses but really a questionable
choice for a patient with a history of painkillers addiction, be it 80s or 00s.
Propofol is not physically addictive. Michael could be psychologically dependant
at this point, with the thought of "nothing else will help me sleep!", but we do not
know if the whole Propofol story is true at all or was made up for hoax purpose.
Ok, I bored even myself at this point  :oops:

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The 999 of the '1999' stands out to me.

That, and the mention of the Pepsi fire - 9282 days - from birth to fire and from fire to "death".

And if you add up all these numbers - 11/13/2011 7:22 AM PST BY TMZ STAFF - you get 21 which is 777!

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Being the perfectionist, I can believe that Michael never slept well during any major tour.  He often said himself how he would be so energized and wound up that it was extremely hard for him to come down and relax.  So he took propofol in 1999.  I took it myself in 1989 and will take it again if needed.  That doesnot make me addicted to it.  But believe me, if ever I have to be put under for ANYTHING, just like Michael, I will ask for my milk. /cook/

My desire for propofol is because I don’t want to know anything that’s going on when invasive procedures are being done.  That’s my reason.  Otherwise, I am obivlious to it, which is the same way I see Michael’s need for it.  Only when he is experiencing high anxiety as only a tour would make him, and he needed, NO, it was IMPERATIVE for him to sleep in order to get through it giving it his everything and then some.  I don’t necessarily agreee with it, but I can truly understand it. 

But does that necessarily make him addicted to it?  Not necessarily.  It’s his drug of choice to do what he needs to be done when he needs it to be done.  If Michael Jackson didn’t need propofol to sleep otherwise, outside of touring, then it was simply something he relied on because he knew from experience (the best teacher) that IT WORKED when it needed to work.  And he suffered no major consequences from it when his doctor followed his job responsiilities to the letter.  MONITOR HIM! That’s they key element.  M.O.N.I.T.O.R
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The 999 of the '1999' stands out to me.

That, and the mention of the Pepsi fire - 9282 days - from birth to fire and from fire to "death".

And if you add up all these numbers - 11/13/2011 7:22 AM PST BY TMZ STAFF - you get 21 which is 777!

Exactly Andrea. 9 9 9 issue again. ;) And what a great timing of TMZ once again! :lol:

Cascios knows about the hoax imo. And they're saying what Michael wants them to say. I do not believe Michael was or is a drug addict.

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This video seems to indicate the Michael may have be doing Propofol as early as 1997. If you listen carefully around the 2:36 mark, it suggests that a doctor was with Michael when he woke up.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6ru1wO1nSk[/youtube]

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This video seems to indicate the Michael may have be doing Propofol as early as 1997. If you listen carefully around the 2:36 mark, it suggests that a doctor was with Michael when he woke up.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6ru1wO1nSk[/youtube]
Yea I remember watching this interview a long time ago and thinking it was weird that a doctor was there when he woke up. But with Michael you can never know if he said that just for the purpose of planting the seeds in our minds or not. I believe he talked about how he would make up stories for the tabloids (sleeping in the chamber, buying the elephant man's bones, etc.)  in this interview too.

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I also wanted to comment on the reflection in Michael's glasses. Is is normal for both lenses to have the same reflection??

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love when mj turns of the light. 'ca-ching!"  so cute!

hate (sorry stong word) barbara walters in this interview.

she asks mj isnt it a journalists role to be harh, to uncover things and seek the truth.

why? when? who made journos and media god. makes me so angry this interview.

its been years since i have watched it, yet is still rages me!
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OK so first he was given morphine for the pain after the pepsi accident.
This was for pain.

Then the Jordan Chandler episode happened so he took what? Morphine or propofol? Why would he have taken it? For sure didn't solve his problem with Jordan Chandler.

If he couldn't sleep why he didn't drink some lime tea :roll: or a glass of hot milk (real milk) or why he didn't just do some physical activity to help him sleep better?

 suspicious// suspicious// suspicious//

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makes me angry when people judge. big deal. he took some tablets to sleep, or didnt. who cares. makes me angry because if someone falsely accused me in public forum of being a peodephile and the whole world was watching and there were court cases, bodily examinations, interrogation, etc, I wouldnt be able to sleep either and I DEFINITELY would have taken something to help me sleep. what an ordeal. any human going thru what mj went thru would have dealt with this ugly situation with desperation.

it was horrible. we can never fathom the extent of humilitaion that mj endured.

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He was too young maybe.
Too young to go through it.
He shouldn't have cared so much.
I'm not judging him for taking pills (if this is true anyway).
I just don't understand why he would do it when there are other ways, better ways. People who can not control them selves take pills. MJ like I  imagine him must have been stronger than that. But who knows, maybe he was weak.

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Propofol use began in 1999? suspicious//

Okay I have to confess, I didn't follow Michaels career much after 1994



.....but I was under the impression he stopped touring in 1997 (History tour)



So why would he need the propofol from 1999 on to be routinely "put to sleep"?

....am I missing something here? :?
« Last Edit: November 15, 2011, 07:45:39 PM by Snoopy71 »

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@gina, my comment is directed more at cascio not you hun. sorry i didnt specify.

however i dont think taking a few pills when under this pressure makes him weak. the stress he ws under was enormous.

easy for us to say, have a glass of milk or do some physical activity to go to sleep.

have you ever been under extreme mental stress. anxiety. i know i have. and i know that they were nights when i could not sleep no matter how much exercise i did. no matter how much milk i drank, etc. if there is extreme stress, the brain finds it hard to let go and shut down. the 'mouse wheel' is still turning so one cant get to sleep.

in regards to your comment abt physical activity. MJ does more physical activity than any other performer. we know that. esp is the dangerous period. so i dont think your suggestion would have been a solution for him.

the issues with the accusations were not simple issues. they were complex. therefore needing more than a simple solution. perhaps medicated sleeping was best for him at this stage.

also what would we know? we only get this info from the media... how do we know a doc wasnt professionally medicating him to sleep and then his prev manager wants to throw mud and say he had drug problems. everyone loves throwing mud at mj. and if they get paid for the interview then that 'mud slinging' is an 'investment'

we really dont know the extext of drug abuse or if there was any at all.

and if there was, it certainly does not make him weak. or anyone for that matter. we are all human.

MJ is human. amazing yes. but not superhuman. hard to believe i know....

my point is, we all have physical limits.
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Who with even half a brain would believe Michael would ask for propofol to sleep? Seriously, even if you thought he was not the sharpest tool in the box before this hoax, you would at least know now that he is a very intelligent and educated man. He knows propofol doesn't make you sleep, it puts you under. That's it. If he wanted to sleep, he would have asked for sleep medication, not an anesthetic. I don't believe that for a second. I could imagine he could have had a demerol dependency after that bridge 'accident' back in 1999, because that MUST have hurt like crazy. But dependency doesn't have to mean he was addicted. I had my tonsils removed when I was 23, which I can tell you hurts like hell if you are an adult. For a week or two, I had a depency for pain killers, simply because I wanted the pain to go away. As soon as the pain got less, my pain killer use got less, until I could do without. That didn't make me addicted to them, yet I depended on them. I don't know how severe his back pain was after that, but from what I have read and heard it was kinda serious. Could mean he had a demerol dependency for a while. Doesn't make him a hardcore drug addict.

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@ souza. agree 100%

I also overlooked mentioning in my post that even if he was helped to sleep in dangerous era, it certainly wasnt with propofol. more than likely a sedative / pill of some sort.


NB - Also just edited previous post. a spelling error made my sentance sound a different way than i intended. i typed "want" instead of "wasnt"
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But dependency doesn't have to mean he was addicted. I had my tonsils removed when I was 23, which I can tell you hurts like hell if you are an adult. For a week or two, I had a depency for pain killers, simply because I wanted the pain to go away. As soon as the pain got less, my pain killer use got less, until I could do without.


actually this example, punctuates my point exactly. thank souza. dependency isnt always a negative word. your pain free state "depended" (another word for "required") on you taking pain medication. it doesnt make you an abuser of pain meds. its doesnt make you an addict and it certainly doesnt make you weak. it simply means you were in a state of pain and to stay out of the pain or to make it tolerable you neeeded to depend or rely on pain medication.

same thing gina, with needing to sleep.

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Frank is in on the hoax IMO. I have this book arriving by snail mail as I type. But I'm reminded of his cameo in David Gest's doco Life Of An Icon where he talks about MJ not arriving at  the gig for opening on the 30th aniversary concerts. Upon where he found Michael off his tree on demerol and had to get him to the show. I call B.S.
In the foreword of The Man In The Music...Anthony De Curtis writes his observations of Michael  as he was, during the rehearsals for the Maddison Square concerts. He goes on to say MJ was relaxed and completely in control. His tone was always friendly, respectful and professional. And Michael was very focussed. To me this doesn't sound like a drug addict.

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I'm 46 yo, and I still take something to help me to sleep.........I have a 5mg valium, and combine that with 5 x 25mg tablets of phenergan........

That's been my life.....I have trouble sleeping and I don't know why....

I am dependant on drugs to get me to sleep...........does it affect my performance during the day??

Absolutley not........

Do I look like a typical "drug addict"?  Absolutely not. !!

There are so many over the counter medications he could of taken without all this drama..
Especially PHENERGAN....My god, they give it to kids to help them sleep on planes....

So for this reason, I would say that all this talk about MJ being addicted to prescription drugs, is just a way to keep him in the news and keep the world undecided until the day the whole truth is revealed....I'm leaning towards the motive of hoaxing his death is to bring down the "Dr Feelgoods" and expose the hidden agenda of the "Illuminati MK ultra programming".

Otherwise, it would be really disrepectful that family and friends keep talking  about him this way. 

Remember. Elvis was supposedly "kept" drugged all day...He was having uppers during the day and downers at night to help him sleep..

Both KINGS were totally against drugs......... mj_bad/ mj_bad/ elvis_/ elvis_/ elvis_/

Victims were drugged with "Demerol" from way back in history...they controlled humans minds this way..
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I notice that there are several times listed where he was "allegedly" taking pain meds, or sleep meds due to stress. I notice that 2005 is never mentioned. Wouldn't that be one of the prime times he would be under the most stress?

Tom Meseraeu even said "I was around him at the lowest point in his life and I never saw him in that state (slurring). He was always articulate." (those aren't his exact words, but you get the picture)
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I totally believe Michael was not taking anything during 2005 trial.
He was very much himself, fully aware and "sober".. and that's why
he was suffering so much  :cry: The sharp pain wasn't muted by any
medication.

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@gina, my comment is directed more at cascio not you hun. sorry i didnt specify.

however i dont think taking a few pills when under this pressure makes him weak. the stress he ws under was enormous.

easy for us to say, have a glass of milk or do some physical activity to go to sleep.

have you ever been under extreme mental stress. anxiety. i know i have. and i know that they were nights when i could not sleep no matter how much exercise i did. no matter how much milk i drank, etc. if there is extreme stress, the brain finds it hard to let go and shut down. the 'mouse wheel' is still turning so one cant get to sleep.

in regards to your comment abt physical activity. MJ does more physical activity than any other performer. we know that. esp is the dangerous period. so i dont think your suggestion would have been a solution for him.

the issues with the accusations were not simple issues. they were complex. therefore needing more than a simple solution. perhaps medicated sleeping was best for him at this stage.

also what would we know? we only get this info from the media... how do we know a doc wasnt professionally medicating him to sleep and then his prev manager wants to throw mud and say he had drug problems. everyone loves throwing mud at mj. and if they get paid for the interview then that 'mud slinging' is an 'investment'

we really dont know the extext of drug abuse or if there was any at all.

and if there was, it certainly does not make him weak. or anyone for that matter. we are all human.

MJ is human. amazing yes. but not superhuman. hard to believe i know....

my point is, we all have physical limits.

I've been under extreme stress. I have problems sleeping. I don't drink tea or milk for it. I can not shut down my thoughts. But I still don't take pills. I tried and I only slept for an extra hour, but my head was heavy when I woke up.
If his insomnia was so severe he could have consulted a specialist.  Why bother using drugs that are not for sleep?
It doesn't make sense to me. If I have a medical problem I go to the specialist doctor right? I don't go to a cardiologist if I have a headache. I don't go to the dentist if I have a gynecological problem.
It doesn't make sense what they say he did.
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If his insomnia was so severe he could have consulted a specialist.  Why bother using drugs that are not for sleep?
It doesn't make sense to me. If I have a medical problem I go to the specialist doctor right? I don't go to a cardiologist if I have a headache. I don't go to the dentist if I have a gynecological problem.
It doesn't make sense what they say he did.

and if it doesnt make sense, then it probably isnt true.
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Even if we assumed that he is really dead....the AR says he was in fairly good condition for someone at the age of 50.
Just think about it for a second....someone who is able to preserve his body in such a good condition up to the age of 50 must have been taking good care of his health throughout the years. Living healthy on one hand and on the other hand pumping ones body with drugs makes no sense at all.
So much for the "drug addict theory".....

And I am sure that he is/was deadly afraid of anything that could harm his body seriously or even endanger his life.
Come on....he´s not dumb.....
He´s a very smart guy and most of all a responsible father!
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The 999 of the '1999' stands out to me.

That, and the mention of the Pepsi fire - 9282 days - from birth to fire and from fire to "death".

And if you add up all these numbers - 11/13/2011 7:22 AM PST BY TMZ STAFF - you get 21 which is 777!


You forgot the 777 (9282=21) on each side of the Pepsi fire day.  That's why I believe it to be a hoax, introducing the druggie aspect to the world to make it buyable. It may have been the first MaJician's act!


I notice that there are several times listed where he was "allegedly" taking pain meds, or sleep meds due to stress. I notice that 2005 is never mentioned. Wouldn't that be one of the prime times he would be under the most stress?

Tom Meseraeu even said "I was around him at the lowest point in his life and I never saw him in that state (slurring). He was always articulate." (those aren't his exact words, but you get the picture)


Yes, he said it so clearly and beautifully, as well as the lawyer Susan Yu.  I will admit that MJ did look in rough shape at one point (which the media like to dwell on) but that's when he slipped and fell in his shower hurting his back. Interpretation is key.


Just before MJ came out in front of the curtain at the 02, he supposedly was reported to be drunk sleeping. They had to try to get him sobered up to speak, which he did a mesmerizing brilliant job of. So I call another hoax lie. ;)
« Last Edit: November 16, 2011, 05:09:29 AM by MJonmind »