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Ok, so I looked at the pic for a while and did as much reading as I could find...but I didn't find anything about the doctor's story, other than that he was giving him 50 mg of propofol before bed. OK, so here goes...1) Paramedics DO intubate and quite frequently. A face mask is never used in resuscitation as it is not a reliable method to get oxygen to the lungs. The throat may close or swell and the oxygen won't get to the lungs...an endotracheal tube goes all the way down to the bronchi and secures an airway that can't be obstructed.2) In regards to the bulging vein...when i look carefully at the pic (which is a horrible image, very unclear) I see a clear plastic tube which is part of the nasal O2 cannula under his nose. The nasal cannula has the two nose prongs in his nostril which you can see, and the tube continues out from each side until it joins up and attaches to an O2 tank. You can clearly see the tube across his left cheek and I believe the tube that goes across the right runs up beside his right nostril and is lying across his forehead, something easily done when an urgent resuscitation is going on. 3) The hand on the chest is NOT involved in the performing of CPR, which doesn't mean they weren't performing CPR when he was removed from the house, but this particular photo does not show hands performing CPR. He may have been reaching for something, and the angle makes it look like his hands are on MJ's body, but they are in front of his throat and not anywhere near his chest.So I'll tell you what I think happened, from experience and what little I know of the case...but I'll close to guarantee this is what went down...MJ was given Propofol to go to sleep...maybe was given more in the middle of the night...also had a bunch of sedatives on board...way too many. The effect of the Propofol only lasts minutes, so it would not cause him to die many hours later. I'm thinking the doc was conned into giving it several times through the night, it probably got to toxic levels. And MJ probably took some pills the doc didn't know about on top of it. I'm betting he died in early hours of the morning and was found in the am when the doc or house staff woke up and checked on him. It takes only a few hours for rigor to set in. When the doc found him he immediately began CPR. As for any color he has in his face (which I don't see in pic) if he died face down then he would have lividity in his face. Lividity is where the blood settles once the heart is not pumping. CPR is often initiated even if the person has a faint pulse or is dead. I'm sure when they discovdered MJ in the morning they knew he was gone, but the doc knew how much trouble he was in and tried to do everything he could to save him. The rescue would have continued CPR as it was MJ...if it was a regular person and they were obvioulsly dead on EKG and were cool to the touch with rigor, they would not initiate CPR. Given MJ's celebrity status they of course did all they could, even though it was futile. Again, because of his status, once he arrived at the hospital the continued resuscitation protocols until they had gone above and beyond what anyone would do for another person, they pronounced him. The balloon pump was over the top. And the lidocaine and epinepherine noted in some online reports are basic protocol in resuscitation, they are used to try to jumpstart the heart. The lido in his system was NOT to numb injection sites as one report stated.Either way, CPR on the bed is wacked out...
my thought on this is if he is dead / has died everyone was putting the responsability on someone else to pronounce it if he'd been dead so long.. i don't know how they would have put drips in etc if rigomortice had set in (everything hardens).. also fluids would have been leaking everwhere.. i've had experience with this.. which i suppose they could have been cos we didn't see under the sheets only the supposed bed picture which didn't have any stains on!! so theres the answer to that one..AND i have never heard in the memory of man a DR, PARAMEDIC, NURSES ETC working constantly on an obvious dead person!! it would be a waste of rescources and time when it could be spent on saving someone else!! the brain starts to die immediatly so can you imagine it being starved of oxygen for over an hr or however long.. what state that person would be in if they revived them.. NOT PRETTYthats my take on it anyway..
it does make sense. Michael is the world's biggest celebrity. I'm sure everyone would try the best they could to save him.
Why are we supposed to care what someone's opinion is that thinks MJ is dead?
hehe..doesn't sound like much of an expert to me.
Thank you for yor post, mykidsmumIt is tough to read, but at this poit i'd like to hear ANY truth, as long as it's the truth, however bitter it may be. Your cousin's opinion sounds like a possibility (unfortunately), that could also explain why no doctor wanted to sign the DC, why there were no sirens and no rush to hospital and all the confusion in time-lines in the doc's story. However, i can't understand why everyone would cover Murray (ER, LAPD, MJ staff) because if that is the case that he injected whatever in the course of the night and LEFT MJ unmonitored, it wold still be criminal negligence and unintentional manslaughter.
I can tell you what she said on why the death certificate wasn't signed..., I hope I don't get in trouble again...LOL. I looked to see if I still had what she said about that but I think I deleted it but just from my memory she said signing can take up to 6 months to a year in these types of cases and the sining can be deferred until tox reports come back and cause of death have been decided and often if it still an open case it will be deferred as well but she said the certificate is still legal and this happens a lot. To the best of my memory that is what she said.
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