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Elvis not dead - For Dummies (& newbies) thread

  • on: January 08, 2012, 06:21:14 AM
Hi there all. Just starting a thread with elvis info for any newbies - for the sole reason that there are so many similarities. Which of course i understand is not anything newly discovered, however wanted to bring the whole 'elvis not dead' thing to life again. esp as there are so many references to an elvis bam or elvis numerology in the TIAI and numerology boards.

Here is some information that I have sourced for newbies and others who are unaware of the similaries.

I invite you 'longtimers' As well as any who are familiar here at MJDHIF to add your information to the pile. including the reasons, ideas, clues, evidence that Elvis is still alive and fakes his death.

I thought this was important as a lot of the elvis connection info was posted a long time ago and thought it would be great to refresh the subject for newcomers.

enjoy....


@ SIM - I am sure you will have things to add here :-)


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Re: Elvis not dead - For Dummies (& newbies) thread

  • on: January 08, 2012, 06:21:35 AM
There are many reasons to believe that Elvis Presley is dead. When the only arguments to believe otherwise come from crazed fans and supermarket tabloids, it is easy to dismiss the possibility that the King is still among us. However, the circumstances surrounding Elvis's alleged death are quite mysterious and beg closer attention. As it turns out, there are many concrete reasons to believe that the King is still alive.


The Gravesite.

For Starters, Elvis's name is spelled wrong on his headstone. Elvis's full name is Elvis Aron Presley, but on his grave his middle name is spelled incorrectly with two a's. His father would not have let this happen. When Elvis was born, his name was misspelled on his birth certificate, and his father went to great lengths to get the error corrected. The unique spelling of Elvis's name was important to the Presley family.
Elvis's current "resting place" is in between his father and his grandmother and not next to his mother where he had adamantly requested. It is doubtful that the people close to him would allow these things to happen. Elvis is a superstitious man - enough so that he wouldn't tempt fate by putting his real name on a tombstone, or violate the ground next to his mother until he was ready to be placed there for good.

Death Certificate.

Elvis was very vain, and he was embarrassed about his recent weight gain - an astonishing 50 pounds in the month before his so-called death. Even though he weighed about 250 pounds at the time of his "death," his death certificate lists him at a spry 170 pounds. The original death certificate disappeared, and the current death certificate is dated two months after his alleged death.

The Wax Body Theory.

This argument is very convincing when the facts are considered. Elvis's coffin required several pall bearers because it weighed 900 pounds. Attendants of the funeral reported that the air around the coffin was rather cool. It is suspected that the coffin contained an air conditioning unit to keep a wax body cool - a wax body that was a replica of the King designed to fool funeral-goers. And how did the Presley family get a 900 pound, custom made coffin ready for a funeral that was held on the day after his death? It takes a lot of time to build such an elaborate coffin.
And why have the funeral so quickly? Some speculate that the immediacy was intended to make it as difficult as possible for the people who were Elvis's biggest fans (heads of fan clubs, etc.) to attend the proceedings. It could be a concern that they might recognize the flaws in the wax replica.
Elvis was an 8th degree black belt whose hands were rough with calluses, yet the body in the coffin had hands that were soft and pudgy. The body in the coffin had a pug nose and arched eyebrows (unlike Elvis) and most importantly, one of the sideburns on the "corpse" was loose and falling off. A hairdresser later reported gluing the sideburn back on the body.

Unusual Behavior.

Two hours after Elvis's death was announced publicly, a man who reportedly looked remarkably like Elvis purchased a ticket for Buenos Aeries, paid in cash, and used the name John Burrows: the same name Elvis had used as an alias several times before.
Elvis had a few books that were considered to be his most prized possessions. He had a bible, several pharmaceutical books, books on death, and most importantly Chiro's Book of Numbers and The Autobiography of Yogi which I will explain more about later. After Elvis's death was announced, these books disappeared and were never recovered.
In the weeks preceding his alleged death, Elvis's actions were not those of a man who was about to embark on an extensive US tour. He ordered no new suits despite having gained 50 pounds since his last tour, and he bid "adios" at his last show in Hawaii. He had never done this before. Adios, like the French adieu, has the significance of being a final good-bye as opposed to an "I'll be seeing you on my next tour" kind of good-bye.
Others were intrigued by the King's decision to sign a lucrative TV deal with NBC that would cover the tour. It was unprecedented for a network to pay such a large amount up front, in cash, for such a deal. Many wonder why Elvis even agreed to the deal since his vanity discouraged him from making public appearances due to his obesity.
RCA showed uncanny (and unbelievable) foresight by mass producing millions of Elvis's current and previous recordings and merchandise. This is standard practice for an act that is about to go on tour, but the numbers in this case were beyond reasonable expectations. The announcement of Elvis's death caused record sales to skyrocket.
Elvis did other unusual things that created suspicion. First, he fired several employees that he had relied upon for a long time. Also, two days before his alleged death, Elvis telephoned a friend of his named Miss Foster. He told her that he wasn't planning on going on the upcoming tour. She asked him if he had canceled it, and he said that he had not. When she asked if he was ill, he said that he was fine, and that she should not ask any more questions or tell anyone anything, and that she should not believe anything she read. He told her that his troubles would all soon be over, and that he would call her in a few weeks. The author of Elvis Where Are You? writes that Miss Foster took a polygraph test regarding this story, and that she was not lying.
The day after Elvis's alleged death, a woman named Lucy De Barbon, a former lover of Elvis, received a single rose in the mail. The card indicated that the flower was from "El Lancelot." This had been her pet name for Elvis, and it was a name that no one else knew. Flowers can't be sent from beyond the grave. This was Elvis's way of letting her know that he was not dead, even though he didn't want to be found.

Chiro's Book of Numbers.

Elvis had a fascination with numerology - an interest he fed by reading Chiro's Book of Numbers. The theory that the King orchestrated his death is further supported when considering the significance of the date of his alleged death. The date in question is August 16,1977. By adding the numbers in the date, 8, 16, and 1977, you get 2001. This is the title of Elvis' favorite movie in which the hero plans his immortality in the bathroom. Elvis spent a considerable amount of time doing the same: planning his afterlife on the john. Elvis spent so much time in the bathroom that he had his toilet converted into a reclining comfy chair. Coincidentally, the bathroom is also where Elvis's body was reportedly found.
Given Elvis's religious affiliation (Christianity), he had a fascination with things that come in threes i.e. father, son, and holy ghost. The sum of the digits from his favorite film (2+0+0+1) is three. Let's consider the triad of the repetition of the number 24. 2001 (favorite film) less 1977 (year of death) is 24. The two numbers from the day of death (8/16) when added up equal 24. The sum of the digits in the year of death (1+9+7+7) also equals 24. That is 3 occurrences of the number 24 which is divisible by 3, and when divided by three the result, 8 has a perfect cubed root (2x2x2=8).
Elvis loved numerology, and when you consider the numeric significance of the date of his alleged death, it is clear that if indeed he did plan to fake his death, he could not have chosen a better date.

Motive.

Elvis had many reasons to fake his death. Elvis's life was in danger. He had recently lost $10,000,000 in an airplane/real estate deal with a California based organization called the "Fraternity" that had links to the Mafia. It is speculated that he corroborated with the government to expose the organized crime ring in exchange for protection - perhaps in the form of a new life and identity compliments of the witness relocation program.
In addition, Elvis was a prisoner of his own fame. He had many other reasons to leave his life behind. Because of his incredible popularity, he was the recipient of several death threats, and he was concerned about the safety of his wife and daughter. Sometimes when he wanted to leave Graceland, he would send out look-alikes to distract would be followers. Elvis was also known to ride in the trunk of someone else's car to avoid detection. Once, when he fell ill in Las Vegas, he couldn't get proper medical attention because the hospital was overwhelmed by fans.
At the time of his alleged death, Elvis was nearing the end of his career. He was 42, his hair was graying, he was grossly overweight, and his voice was starting to weaken. He was going down hill, and he was too proud to go out with a whimper. He would never want his fans to see him in such an unhealthy condition.
Elvis had shown a fascination with death on several occasions. In the days leading up to his alleged death he was reported to have visited funeral homes at odd hours of the night with close friends. Was he doing research? Elvis once faked his death by setting up an elaborate shooting in which a would be killer fired blanks at Elvis who had a blood pack which he discharged. It was Elvis's intention to see how the people closest to him would react to his death. Perhaps what he learned convinced him to do it for real.
Finally, one of Elvis' favorite books is the spiritual Autobiography of Yogi. One of the central themes of this book is the relinquishing of one's wealth and earthly possessions to achieve spiritual oneness. Elvis could do this, as well as address his other concerns of sanity and safety by faking his death and living in exile.

Means.

Elvis had the means to fake his own death. He is accused of destroying himself with drugs. In reality, Elvis was a pharmaceutical expert. He took a lot of drugs, but he knew what he was doing and was extremely careful. He knew what drugs he could self-administer to create a deathlike state. Further, Elvis's experience with the martial arts was such that he could slow his heart rate and breathing in order to feign death.
Elvis's manager, Colonel Tom Parker, had once created a new identity for himself. He came to this county as an illegal immigrant from Holland, but through various connections managed to create an elaborate identity complete with a passport, birth certificate, drivers license, and social security number. He would have known how to give Elvis a second life.
In addition to Elvis's ties to the government through his testimony against the Fraternity, Elvis was known to interact with the President of the United States. He was reported in government documents to use the name John Burrows as an alias when he wanted to travel. Some people believe that Elvis worked for the government as a drug agent. He did, after all have extensive contact with many people in the music business who, as we know, tend to dabble in illegal substances. (Remember Payola?.. ) And, of course, we must allow that Elvis's connections to the government gave him access to the Witness Relocation Program. If they can turn the Simpsons into the Thompsons, they can relocate anybody.

No New Music, Orion?

Many believe that Elvis couldn't have given up performing cold turkey. I imagine that after a while the desire to perform grew once he started his life in exile. The story of Orion supports the theory that Elvis attempted an incognito comeback.
Shortly after Elvis's death, a masked singer by the name of Orion emerged on the scene. He was big like Elvis, and he sang just like Elvis. Because of the mask, no one could tell his true identity. One fan described seeing Orion from near the stage. She claims that Orion left the stage between songs, and when he appeared moments later the sweat was gone from his armpits and back and she thought that his costume looked slightly different. After the song he left the stage, and the original Orion returned.
Another fan described how she rushed into a tour bus at an Orion show only to see two Orions in the back of the bus. She claimed that one ducked into the bathroom before she could get a good look at him, but he appeared to look like Elvis Presley.
What's even more remarkable is the fictional story called Orion that was written by Gail Brewer-Georgio about a legendary performer who had several identities and wanted to fake his death. The story was written and submitted to the William Morris Agency for publication consideration after Elvis's death and before the real Orion ever performed. As it turns out, there are many ways in which the real Orion mimicked the events as described in the book. For example, the performers' managers had the same name. Also, without knowing it, Brewer-Georgio wrote of events in Orion that had actually taken place in Elvis Presley's life. It was a case of life imitating art.

Picking up the Pieces.

In 1981, 20/20 did an investigation into the circumstances surrounding the alleged death of Elvis Presley. The investigative report was very convincing. Oddly enough, within two weeks of the report, the singer, Orion, disappeared and was never heard from again. The book, Orion disappeared from shelves across the country. It had been recalled by the publisher which was associated with the William Morris Agency. Incidentally, the William Morris Agency is the same agency that represented Elvis Presley.
I even tried to order a copy of the book, but was unable to. The woman at the book store said she couldn't tell me why.......
It seems that Elvis Presley is worth more dead than alive. By faking his death and relocating with a new identity, he is safe from his fans and the Fraternity, the government can make a solid case against the organized crime ring, and RCA, Elvis's family, and Elvis's management can all reap immense financial benefits from the attention.
That is... except for one benefit. No one has collected on his life insurance policy.
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Re: Elvis not dead - For Dummies (& newbies) thread

  • on: January 08, 2012, 06:35:59 AM
thats great adi. thanks.

just wanted a refreshed thread with a whole bunch of elvis stuff as a bit of a 'one stop shop' or at least 'quick lesson' for those who feel they dont know enough on the subject.


any other 'adds' either from here or other sources will be appreciated.


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Re: Elvis not dead - For Dummies (& newbies) thread

  • on: January 08, 2012, 07:14:35 AM
michael jackson is dead, just like elvis presley - exploring the hoax blog (compliments of our bec)

http://exploringthehoax.wordpress.com/2010/12/22/michael-jackson-is-dead-just-like-elvis/


Michael Jackson is dead, just like Elvis…


Much has been said about the similarities between Michael Jackson and Elvis Presley, both in life and in apparent death, and more recently, in their hoax deaths as well. But not much has been said about what the similarities indicate nor what they mean. This sentiment was posed to the group on MJHDI today as the question:
 
 
 

i don’t get the connection between Michael and Elvis, except he married Lisa.
 If Elvis faked his death, by the way how old is he not meaning to be rude, how does that imply Michael’s hoax too?
 
It’s a good question. So what if Elvis did fake it.  What does this have to do with Michael Jackson’s hoax death? The following is my response cut and pasted from the forum:
 

Hi!
 
Bear with me because it gets complicated and it’s best if I talk it out.
 
Elvis having faked his death (the notion of) has become a curiosity of sorts in American culture. It’s cliche if you will, like a joke. It’s a light-hearted and funny fantasy, though the vast majority thinks it’s just that, a joke or fantasy, the concept of Elvis still being alive is something that everyone can laugh about. It’s a subject guaranteed to evoke a snicker or chuckle in a fun way. Haha Elvis is alive and rides the bus to bingo every Sunday…
 
In the late 70′s there were a rash of Elvis “sightings” just like that, Elvis doing routine, mundane, every day people things and it became material for urban legends. Example: I saw Elvis at the Quick Pik buying eggs and milk. I saw Elvis driving an El Camino with steer horns on the grill. I saw Elvis hanging out at the bowling alley on fish fry night.
 
And then we have the Elvis impersonators.
 
Turned into a joke of course. As conspiracy theories go, it’s unique in a way as the Elvis hoax death is one conspiracy everyone can smile about. How fun if it was true but how utterly ridiculous an idea…
 
So along comes MJ’s death. And from day one multiple sources, media, family, friends, have all been drawing parallels between MJ’s death and Elvis’s death, and this is an example of a rabbit hole. A rabbit hole is a lead that draws players into an Interactive Web Based Alternate Reality Game. Elvis and MJ. Elvis and MJ. MJ died just like Elvis died. It’s just like Elvis. Just like Elvis….
 
So then you take a closer look. How much is it just like Elvis? Well we have this and this and this…. and this…and this… and omg this this this this this… you get the idea.
 
Many of these things are things that MJ chose to do/wear/say/arrange and there are so many of them it leads one to wonder, why the F is MJ emulating Elvis so much?
 
And if MJ spends much of his life emulating Elvis, how crazy is it that his death seemed SO similar to Elvis’s… the circumstances, the timing, the players involved…
 
So then as we investigate we find it is clear that MJ purposely emulated Elvis in multiple facets of his life, his art, his music, his clothes, his associations, his interests… even emulating his death? It’s not a stretch of imagination, it seems the only logical conclusion. The mountains of similarities are overwhelming evidence. It’s like if you fill your home with Beenie Babies, wear Beenie Baby themed clothes, spend time on Beenie Baby websites, have Beenie Babies on your desk at work, write poems about Beenie Babies, and then request that you be buried with Beenie Babies…. I can safely deduce that you like Beenie Babies and no one would accuse me of just jumping to that conclusion.
 
So why did MJ spend so much time emulating Elvis’s last 6 months of life in his own last 6 months of life? From the press conference at the O2 to the doctors to the concert posters to the home he rented to the dates to the title of the productions to the way he walked/talked/moved on stage all of a sudden… coincidence then that he then up and ended up dying just like him?
 
Then after the death… the numerology… same for both men… same connections from life to death in the numbers, the Mayan calendar, Lisa Marie and the things she has said, now the court case and Jesse and maybe he isn’t dead after all?
 
Elvis could actually be dead and it wouldn’t matter. All that matters is the context in which American culture and the American populous regards Elvis and his hoax death idea.
 
I say the mountains of similarities between Elvis and MJ, live and dead, are not coincidental. I say the parallels were loaded up so that people would start to catch on to the joke. It’s necessary for MJs death hoax to become just as much a joke as Elvis’s death hoax. It’s the biggest early hint in this whole thing. MJ is dead just like Elvis… who’s memory has gone on to be forever linked in everyone’s mind with DEATH HOAX. The connection starts everything off on the right foot and it’s been paraded in front of us from Day One. In my opinion, the purpose is this: MJ intends to do what MJ always does and does best… he’s going to one-up Elvis.
 
Because as we all know, a come back is sensitive. It must be done properly. The PR campaign is crucial. And it will be done right, have no doubt. Comparing MJs hoax death to Elvis’s hoax death sets off the right tone. It’s fun and light hearted and silly. Not shady and fraudulent and deceitful. It’s all for love and all for fun.
 
He’s going to do what Elvis did except he’s going to do it better. Like Prince doing 20 O2 concerts? MJ is gonna do 50 (remember that report?). Elvis does a hoax death and stays dead. Big deal. Anyone can pull that off. MJ gonna do a hoax death and come back. Now THAT is a big deal.

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Re: Elvis not dead - For Dummies (& newbies) thread

  • on: January 09, 2012, 09:11:30 PM
@Australian MJ BeLIEver : great topic ! thanks for initiating it! ;)  /bravo/

@ Adi: thanks for sharing those links  elvis_/  moonwalk_/


here's some other similarities/"coincidences" adding to the long list...



Michael Jackson Wanted to Create a Robot Clone - http://www.gearfuse.com/michael-jackson-wanted-to-create-a-robot-clone/

Giant Michael Jackson Robot Almost Roamed Vegas Desert - http://www.silveroakcasino.com/blog/online-casino/giant-michael-jackson-robot-almost-roamed-vegas-desert.html

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Re: Elvis not dead - For Dummies (& newbies) thread

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Re: Elvis not dead - For Dummies (& newbies) thread

  • on: January 12, 2012, 02:51:34 AM
Sim, thank you for all your contributions...

you know when i first started believing i didnt believe in the elvis layer.i set out to prove to myself it was all 'crazy talk' by reading what the 'ridiclulous elvis believers' believe in... about two months ago (that time when i asked you for links and info i could look at) i started doing daily research, reading, here and other places. definitley an elvis believer too. not only an elvis believer, but believe it is completely connected to this hoax also.

so glad that i had initial doubt. it lead to research. it lead to questions. it lead to answers. it led to truth


thank you for your help.

i think this thread will be a good resource to newbies and skeptics. all the references, urls, videos, facts are banded together in one thread. once a skeptic / newbie reads each post in this thread, more importantly the information it directs them to, whether that be on the MJDH website, your montages, other elvis sites, well we can be sure that they will see the connection / truth also.

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Re: Elvis not dead - For Dummies (& newbies) thread

  • on: January 12, 2012, 06:38:11 PM
Sim, thank you for all your contributions... you know when i first started believing i didn't believe in the Elvis layer. i set out to prove to myself it was all 'crazy talk' by reading what the 'ridiculous believers' believe in... about two months ago (that time when i asked you for links and info i could look at) i started doing daily research, reading, here and other places. Definitely an Elvis believer too. not only an Elvis believer, but believe it is completely connected to this hoax also.

so glad that i had initial doubt. it lead to research. it lead to questions. it lead to answers. it led to truth. thank you for your help. [...]
hello Aussy beLiEver ;) I was so happy to see this thread opened, but especially by you! because I remembered you asked me in private some weeks ago, for some help with understanding or learning more about Elvis' death hoax. And when I saw this thread I understood that the links that I gave you then , were the ones that led you to the answers that you were searching for! and I am so happy that through my photo-montages I stirred up your curiosity and made you do the research and SEE for yourself!
And then your message here ^^ made me think that it would be good to post those links that I sent you, here on this topic too, for others to walk on the same 'footsteps" as you and me.... ;)

Much love to you and plenty of KISSSSSS fly to Australia


So here are those magic links lol  :)


I advise you to start reading everything on this site:
1. http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/elvisandmj.php
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/elvis_alive.php
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/tiai_update_6.php
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/elvispresley_michaeljackson_connections.php

2. http://elvis-tkc.com/forum2/index.php?act=idx
http://www.classicbands.com/MysteryofElvisPresley.html
http://www.elvisinfonet.com/conspiracy.html
http://www.elvisinfonet.com/spotlight_presleycommission.html

3. Scroll this page a bit down and at the left you have a MENU of topics,
make sure you check them all!
 Very interesting info!! - http://lindahoodsigmontruth.com/

4. http://www.rareelvispresley.com/
http://www.elvispresleymusic.com.au/

5. http://elvispresleybiography.net/

6. Elvis ' spirituality
http://www.tithing-russkelly.com/elvis/id15.html
http://members.tripod.com/beyondthereef__1/tigerman.html
http://www.elvis.com/about-the-king/quotes.aspx

7. http://community.hottopic.com/feature/elvis-presley-75-things-you-didnt-know-about-king
http://elvisdecoded.blogspot.com/

8. http://www.elvislightedcandle.org/flash_presentations.htm
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Re: Elvis not dead - For Dummies (& newbies) thread

  • on: January 19, 2012, 01:23:23 AM
@ sim, yes i must say that the links you gave me did start off my elvis investigating. as well as all the great info posted onto the elvis part of this website.

i really appreciate you giving me the time of day and sending me those links. and your montages (although i dont agree with all the connections you have made) are definitely what first sparked my interest in the subject as i am a visual person.

its been great getting to know you. thank you. i appreciate you so much and i am glad you made your way back to the forum.


Aussie x

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Re: Elvis not dead - For Dummies (& newbies) thread

  • on: January 19, 2012, 04:10:32 PM
This is a BIG APPLE-PUZZLE  :)

Some Dr. HOUSE connections ;)

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=20291.0




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Re: Elvis not dead - For Dummies (& newbies) thread

  • on: January 19, 2012, 04:47:12 PM
I always knew Elvis faked his death. I listen to Alex Jones, & last year when Bin Laden "was rolled out as dead of 2011"......which of course I know is lie.... Bin Laden died in 2001 of kidney failure. But Alex Jones mentioned in that news cast that Elvis was alive, & was in deep. That confirmed it for me. Plus when I was watching some you tube videos & came across Jon Cotner, I knew it was Elvis. Many people say it was "debunked" that Jon Cotner wasn't Elvis. Don't believe it. It's him. Plus Jimmythejam was the only thae had Jon Cotner, (which he's even admitted that it's not his real name) had like 6 audios with Jon Cotner expressing his beliefs & putting rumors to rest that he's Elvis. He never claimed to be Elvis Presley. He said that guy died in August 16, 1977. I was going to post those audios on here, but Jimmythejam has removed them from his site. Anyone who listened to those audios would know it was Elvis. I did download them & burned them to DVD's. I"ll try to figure a way to post them. I just thought it was odd that Jimmythejam took those off his site, because he has all other ones from the start except those. Check  out Jimmythejam on You Tube, maybe you'll find some "clues" there. I don't research into Elvis anymore, but am I firm believer he's alive. Not only does Alex Jones speak the truth, he WILL NEVER MISLEAD THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, so thank you Alex Jones just hearing it from him, I knew he's involved in some government stuff, but for the good of America. Because if Elvis was working for the elite, he wouldn't hesitate to bash him. But because he knew he was alive, & knew he was in deep, means he's working for US TO EXPOSE SOME FORM OF CORRUPTION. I posted the You Tube of Alex Jones & time he says that Elvis is alive on a different Elvis thread here on the forum.

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Re: Elvis not dead - For Dummies (& newbies) thread

  • on: January 19, 2012, 11:47:16 PM
interesting post loveshy michael. thank you for the info. will def take a look.
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Re: Elvis not dead - For Dummies (& newbies) thread

  • on: January 22, 2012, 04:32:30 PM
This is a video in relation to all the photo montages that I posted here above ^^
regarding the APPLE connections.

watch at minute 10:01

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H69PIcU2OmM&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL[/youtube]


I always knew Elvis faked his death. I listen to Alex Jones, & last year when Bin Laden "was rolled out as dead of 2011"......which of course I know is lie.... Bin Laden died in 2001 of kidney failure. But Alex Jones mentioned in that news cast that Elvis was alive, & was in deep. That confirmed it for me. Plus when I was watching some you tube videos & came across Jon Cotner, I knew it was Elvis. Many people say it was "debunked" that Jon Cotner wasn't Elvis. Don't believe it. It's him. Plus Jimmythejam was the only thae had Jon Cotner, (which he's even admitted that it's not his real name) had like 6 audios with Jon Cotner expressing his beliefs & putting rumors to rest that he's Elvis. He never claimed to be Elvis Presley. He said that guy died in August 16, 1977. I was going to post those audios on here, but Jimmythejam has removed them from his site.
Anyone who listened to those audios would know it was Elvis. I did download them & burned them to DVD's. I"ll try to figure a way to post them.
I just thought it was odd that Jimmythejam took those off his site, because he has all other ones from the start except those. Check  out Jimmythejam on You Tube, maybe you'll find some "clues" there. I don't research into Elvis anymore, but am I firm believer he's alive. Not only does Alex Jones speak the truth, he WILL NEVER MISLEAD THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, so thank you Alex Jones just hearing it from him, I knew he's involved in some government stuff, but for the good of America. Because if Elvis was working for the elite, he wouldn't hesitate to bash him. But because he knew he was alive, & knew he was in deep, means he's working for US TO EXPOSE SOME FORM OF CORRUPTION. I posted the You Tube of Alex Jones & time he says that Elvis is alive on a different Elvis thread here on the forum.
Thank you for your post LoveshyMichael. I also like Alex Jones ;) I know he speaks the truth!
It would be great if you could share those videos... I think I know what videos you're talking about, I'm not sure though...

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Re: Elvis not dead - For Dummies (& newbies) thread

  • on: March 03, 2012, 07:43:35 PM


Some threads...for those interested...



TS' posts & Forum sections

    WWW.THISISALSOIT.COM » www.ElvisAndMJ.com ---)) http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?board=106.0

Info for new members!
   
Michael Jackson Death Hoax Theories » Michael Jackson & Elvis Presley Similarities

Messages - TS_comments

Messages - TS

The Weird List

TIai update #6: Michael & Elvis, DOuble-bam This Summer?!?

TIAI January 8

Questions for TS (& anyone else) about ELVIS (Jesse)



ELVIS' DEATH HOAX

ELVIS ~ VIDEOS

The Presley Commission Report ~ Timeline: August 16, 1977

Elvis reveals FBI case that led to Witness Protection Program

DVD documentary 2012 - "Elvis found alive"

Elvis Presley ~ the MAN & the ARTIST

Lisa Marie Presley ~ interviews/videos/articles/photos

Priscilla Presley ~ interviews/videos/articles/photos



Connections between Elvis & Michael's death hoax

Elvis & Michael ~ Similarities

Elvis & Michael fans ~ let’s UNITE for our common goal!

MJ & ELVIS ~ Numerology

Elvis and Michael Jackson - VIDEOS -death similarities

Elvis & Michael & Lisa ~ Their SECRET! (My theory)

MJ & Elvis are ALIVE ~ Clothes clues

*Final Curtain* *My Way* Elvis/Michael

Conrad Murray Trial Wraps On 30th Anniversary Of Elvis Doc’s Acquittal

Michael Jackson & Elvis Presley ~ Religious & ART connections



MJ & Elvis' death hoax ~ MOVIES Connections

ELVIS & "Get Low" (2009) & "This Is It" (2009) - FELIX vs Michael

Dr. HOUSE vs. Dr. HOAX ~ MJ & Elvis connections

"V for Vendetta" connections

IT'S ONLY A MOVIE !! The BEST ever !!

ELVIS ~ Movies & Documentaries



VARIOUS threads, more or less related to MJ & Elvis' death hoax:

New Jesus - mark my words

Princess Di in New Film: 'Keeping Alive is My Hobby'

Say HI to Mickey Mouse! (What's he up to?)




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Re: Elvis not dead - For Dummies (& newbies) thread

  • on: March 04, 2012, 09:42:33 AM
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Re: Elvis not dead - For Dummies (& newbies) thread

  • on: March 04, 2012, 10:27:24 AM
Nice photos of Elvis like always simpattyk  :) good idea you collect the treads.[....]

Thanks @AKHTONI! ;)
I quoted your links in this thread:
Elvis and Michael Jackson - VIDEOS -death similarities

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Re: Elvis not dead - For Dummies (& newbies) thread

  • on: March 04, 2012, 10:49:59 AM
I don't want to assert that michael had more incentive to fake his death, but in any case, michael probably would have had more reason to do so just because of all the malicious allegations that he to do with with in addition to his net worth. he drew in a considerable amount of revenue, as did elvis, but michael will always carry the distinction of being a minority in american civilization. Never underestimate that stance in american culture, michael was constantly belittled and degraded as a human being and one of the most prominent components in promoting this desire was due to his affiliation with minority. Michael Jackson's "billie jean" had to fight to be put on MTV simply because there was an inability to market young black people. (or any minority of that particular time in the early 1980's.)


If elvis faked his death, thats a valid statement, which I am willing to wholeheartedly accept. but I don't think Elvis had to do with oppression and suppression seeing that he had white privilege. 


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Re: Elvis not dead - For Dummies (& newbies) thread

  • on: March 04, 2012, 11:06:37 AM
Of course they had different reasons to fake their deaths.

If you go on the links from the LIST above ^^ you will see what strong reasons Elvis had to fake his death.

Plus, I think it's not important to compare the reasons and who got better reasons than who!
Making this kind of comparisons is not constructive.


And you will see on this thread: Elvis Presley ~ the MAN & the ARTIST that he was a fighter for human rights!! and he always supported the African American artists and their community. Elvis has always been highly appreciated for his open attitude against racism in general!

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Re: Elvis not dead - For Dummies (& newbies) thread

  • on: March 04, 2012, 12:02:20 PM
Of course they had different reasons to fake their deaths.

If you go on the links from the LIST above ^^ you will see what strong reasons Elvis had to fake his death.

Plus, I think it's not important to compare the reasons and who got better reasons than who!
Making this kind of comparisons is not constructive.


And you will see on this thread: Elvis Presley ~ the MAN & the ARTIST that he was a fighter for human rights!! and he always supported the African American artists and their community. Elvis has always been highly appreciated for his open attitude against racism in general!


I completely understand and honor what you mean, but my point is that Elvis is still Caucasian he will always have the advantage because thats how our society has conditioned us; to praise the majority (historically) and to deny the suppressed minority groups. I'm just saying, that because of the circumstance, Michael had a difficult time getting acquainted with the musical scene than all elvis simply because Michael had many racial obstacles to overcome.  Of course Elvis had issues, but you cannot deny the fact that he was a white man and white man particularly in that period were unfortunately accepted in that era more so than any other ethnic group. Think about this, who do you think would have been gaining the most publicity and recognition if BOTH these men began their careers at the same time? Michael would have surely been discriminated against more so than Elvis. It's history. pure and simple.

I'm contributing with love, so I apologize in advance if this may have offended you. Please dont' take it personal though, I just hold my convictions highly and solely given the circumstance and how the human race has evolved (and regressed given how primitive human society is) we all know that they had to put an emphasis on race but as well know. IT DONT MATTA IF YOU BLACK OR WHITE.
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Re: Elvis not dead - For Dummies (& newbies) thread

  • on: March 04, 2012, 03:20:27 PM
@mrbigshot: You didn't offend me and I don't take it personally. I don't know why you felt the need to mention that.
I appreciate you writing here. Because I really want to know how people think about this subject that interests me the most.

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[...]but my point is that Elvis is still Caucasian he will always have the advantage because thats how our society has conditioned us[....]
Ok, nobody said the contrary. But what has this got to do with the hoax?
In what way Elvis being black or white proves that he's alive or dead? The same question goes for Michael.

The only thing related to the hoax in your comments is that they had different reasons to fake it.
And that's true. If you go on the links from the LIST above ^^ you will see what strong reasons Elvis had to fake his death.
You will also see that they also had common reasons to fake their deaths: they both had received numerous death threats and their families , before they "died". And they were both hunted for money by their own friends and managers!

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[...]Michael had a difficult time getting acquainted with the musical scene than all Elvis simply because Michael had many racial obstacles to overcome. 
Again, nobody says the contrary. Even though Elvis 's music had been refused at the beginning especially because it was perceived to be "black music sang by a white man!"

@mrbigshot:  You need to watch this video that will make you understand that Elvis, even being white, had to overcome racial obstacles  because he was singing blues and gospel!!
But by the will of God, Elvis managed to break those racial barriers, that's why all the African American artists are still so admiring of Elvis and grateful to him!
Watch carefully, especially starting from minute 02:37 to see what racist resistance Elvis had to fight against at the beginning of his career! Listen how much hate they had for him and his music, watch how they broke his records on TV just to impress the public not to listen to him anymore:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U07zchTVAyI&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

Isn't this ^^ pretty similar to Michael breaking racial barriers when he managed to reach on MTV ? as the first black artists to be broadcasted on tv like that! It's like history repeating over and over again... That's what fascinates me about Elvis & Michael!! When you start digging in their lives and career, you realize that they basically mirror each other!

1. Little Richard: "Elvis was an integrator. Elvis was a blessing. They wouldn’t let Black music through. He opened the door for Black music."
2. Ernest Withers: "Elvis was a great man and did more for civil rights than people know. To call him a racist is an insult to us all."
3. Cissy Houston: "Elvis loved gospel music. He was raised on it. He was singing Gospel all the time – almost anything he did had that flavor. You can’t get away from what your roots are."
4. James Brown: "I wasn’t just a fan, I was his brother. I love him and hope to see him in heaven. There’ll never be another like that soul brother."
5. Sammy Davis Jnr.: "I have a respect for Elvis and my friendship. It ain’t my business what he did in private. The only thing I want to know is, ‘Was he my friend?’, ‘Did I enjoy him as a performer?’,  ‘Did he give the world of entertainment something?’ - and the answer is YES on all accounts. The other jazz just don’t matter."
6. B.B King: "I knew Elvis before he was popular. He used to come and be around us a lot. Elvis at heart was very religious and throughout his career he couldn’t help but let it come out. When Jackie Wilson had a stroke in '75, Elvis covered most of his medical bills. The struggles after M. L. King’s assassination created strong racial boundaries in Memphis and the South. Elvis had always felt strongly about social injustice, as shown by his donations to charities and his song ‘In The Ghetto’.


I am very much reluctant to comparing Elvis & Michael in other way than the hoax in itself and as far as the numerous coincidences are concerned. because IMO, any comparison of any other sort is unjust to both of them. They are UNIQUE in their own way! An d I feel blessed by God because He gave us those 2 genius talented half humans, half-angels, if you ask me!!
@mrbigshot:  I don't know if you read this thread here: Elvis & Michael fans ~ let’s UNITE for our common goal!


I only observe the numerous similarities, the mind-blowing coincidences, the very many common things they share (from all aspects: life, spiritual beliefs, career, humanitarian acts, hoax, etc.)
By learning as much as I could about both of them, I've come to the conclusion that they have been left on Earth, by GOD, as his messengers! as his "vessels" through which he transferred love, hope, unity and light unto us, humans.

I only compare their death-hoaxes with the following purposes:

1. Prove that they are both ALIVE! since MJ's hoax is pretty much identical to Elvis' hoax. if MJ is alive then Elvis is too and VICE-VERSA! Their hoaxes are so much alike that the fact that one of them is alive stand as enough proof that the other one is alive too!!

2. Finding out more about how they did it!
3. Find out if they indeed keep contact with each other
4. Find out if they will both return or if not, why can't Elvis return??

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