Revisiting old stuff: The 'Doctor' letter mentioning This Is It

[Thriller4ever]

@Jowariya i don't know what to say about this, but some questions irritate sometimes, so this might just be one of those cases. Karen Faye never seemed hoaxy to me unless I'm missing something out.

[Andrea]

I would not be surprised if MJ did have a few dependency issues.  He is human like the rest of us and we all have our own special little quirks. As with all things in this hoax, there is the two sides being presented...ie...MJ was a healthy as a horse vs MJ a walking drug addict. So...we continue to speculate with the stories and titbits presented to us.  I do go with my gut tho and choose the health freak option.   
 The one thing I can't swallow is that he would be addicted to an anesthetic like propofol and rely on being sedated for sleep. I've always  wondered why MJ chose such a death scene for his  hoax. I've scratched my head about it for the past 3 years and through the course, we looked at dodgey doctors/ Dr feelgoods ect, and we're still waiting and watching.
I heard a conspiracy video maker say recently that Bob Marley was tortured for the last 6 months of his life by a Nazi trained doctor who was painfully sticking large needles into him under the guise of an alternative cancer cure.  She then related that to MJ's 'death'.  [she thinks he is gone]
But it did make me think of  the Jackson visiting the Marleys back in the 70's  and the video maker made a connection that I had never previously thought of.
[Sorry for straying a little far from original topic here]

Those who really knew and spent time with MJ say they never saw him under the influence of drugs, that he was healthy, etc.  And yet we have various doctor visits and prescriptions/medications found at Carolwood and during the 2003 raid, some under aliases.  I think the 2 sides presented - healthy MJ vs "druggie" MJ was deliberate.  Maybe it was his way of fooling "them" and the public.  It could almost be a defense mechanism, or a suit or armor, to have people think he's unhealthy or unstable (because of all the meds) because then they don't know what he's capable of or what he's planning.  It's also something to "fall back on" if something goes awry.  If the pepsi fire was the onset of the hoax, the seeds of drug dependency are planted.  He entered rehab after the 1993 allegations came out, claiming an addiction to pain killers.  I think he would've known at that point that someone(s) was out to get him so going into rehab demonstrated this constant "problem he's had" and it may have bought him some time to plan what he would do next.  This is not to say that he never had a problem or never took any meds - I just think the notion of him being addicted was more of a front, to protect himself.  Same with the manner of death - it was so bizarre to the point that people would believe it because it's Michael Jackson - the MJ everyone thinks was out of it on drugs for the last half of his life.

Everlastinglove_MJ, thanks for the video of Dr. Treacy, nice man.  He talked of how in the 7 to 8 months MJ stayed in Ireland that he never saw him on drugs, and he never gave him any prescription of drugs. He said MJ went under a couple of times with propofol but with an anesthesist present. He said MJ read some of his large medical books and knew quite a bit in the field, was always asking questions to learn. He said he was very intelligent, and would never do anything to harm himself. He said he did have trouble with insomnia.
Another video:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=6xL7zvkwdHk&NR=1[/youtube]

You know, I think MJ had to have some experience himself with various drugs (probably very minimal) to help him carry out the hoax, so that it was believable with various witnesses telling what they knew, and so that he would be able to get various details correct.  But it was NEVER to the extent that the official story has given.  Wasn't it Latoya who said MJ had enough propofol in him to kill a horse or elephant? :icon_lol:

It would make sense for Michael to create the back story of drug dependency by visiting several doctors and getting various prescriptions, over the years.  He could not be a "believable" "drug addict" if there was no "evidence" to support it.  I'm sure there were times where medication was necessary (as with everyone) but I just don't believe that he ever really abused anything.  If he ever did have a problem then he had the best people on hand to get him the help he needed.  But it's my belief that the best way Michael could've protected himself from say, TPTB or even the public, was to fool them - make fools of them for underestimating him and believing what they hear.

[~Souza~]

It's interesting that we always have 2 contradicting stories on MJ, isn't it?

[Andrea]

It's interesting that we always have 2 contradicting stories on MJ, isn't it?

Ya I'll say!  Could be how he kept his private life private - no one ever really knows what's what.


Or were you thinking something more... double-ish? lol

[paula-c]

Shit, ...who said or you placed this label of being a drug addict", the media, :icon_e_confused: by which all the people that knew him agree that he was a healthy person

Drug Addict is a person in a state of periodic or chronic intoxication caused by the repeated consumption of a drug. The drug becomes a primary need: "first use of the drug to eat". This is the tragedy of man dominated by any addiction,  alcohol or any other drugs

[hesouttamylife]

It would be a hard sell to make the public believe that Michael died of propofol poisoning without some prior reference to him being at some time dependent on drugs.  It had to be introduced and the public made to at least to suspect some dependency in order for them to immediately accept that he had been overdosed.  That said, I do not believe that Michael was addicted.  I do however believe that he has used aids to help him wind down and get to sleep when he was touring. And at least to me, with his high anxiety and energy, I see that as not so unusual.

[~Souza~]

It's interesting that we always have 2 contradicting stories on MJ, isn't it?

Ya I'll say!  Could be how he kept his private life private - no one ever really knows what's what.


Or were you thinking something more... double-ish? lol

Dunno, just interesting.

[Australian MJ BeLIEver]

It's interesting that we always have 2 contradicting stories on MJ, isn't it?

The epitome of duplicity if you ask me. Of course jmo

[Andrea]

Maybe wading through all of the contradiction is the "Discover the man you never knew" part.  It does bring into question so many things about what was real or not with Michael.  Like this video of Michael at the Soul Train awards in '93, where he is using crutches and a wheelchair.  Did he really twist his ankle or was this a "Willy Wonka" type-thing that Jermaine said, when Michael was photographed in a wheelchair, months before he "died".  Either way, once in front of the mike, he made sure to spread his message of love.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsokMi0WDa4[/youtube]


 

[Snoopy71]

"Willy Wonka"  :icon_lol:





I will say this, Michael was the master at playing "possum".  You are never sure of the real from the fake (which is why we're all here to this day picking stuff apart).

I do think he had a dependency on pain meds....whether it was an "addiction" or not, we may never know. :icon_e_confused:

But clearly there were doctors who enabled him and others who may have tried to help him IMO  :icon_neutral:

[ellyd]

Interesting that the first image of somebody having an appointment with a physician popping into our minds is that this person is ill, needs and gets a treatment and a prescription for drugs to purchase at a pharmacy.

What else could happen at such an occasion?

A consultation accompanying another person (they could also meet there).
A business meeting (medical representatives do that for living).
A private meeting (they could be friends).
The person getting a private lecture in medicine.
The person giving a lecture to the physician (who is only a human being in a white outfit and may be wanting to get advice in another area than medicine).
Sneeking into the entry of the house and going elsewhere (medical offices usually have business neighbour suites).
Dr. Arnold Klein's office e.g. happened to have its address just across Denis Bloch Fine Art - who happens to have a Google map streetview inside of his gallery. Guess what's popping up: paintings of MJ and Dame Elizabeth. Vive la manipulation.

9615 Brighton Way• Suite M-110 • Beverly Hills • California • 90210 • Ph: 1.310.275.5136

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Check it out on Google maps.
Btw, the red brick building where NPG took the images is the surgery clinic left of the white building in which Klein's office should be. Separate buildings with a street to cross.

[MJonmind]

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Michael Jackson’s eldest son Prince was reportedly “stunned” as he watched doctors battle to save his father’s life.

The 12-year-old lad was reportedly stood nearby when the family’s personal doctor frantically tried to save the star, according to the family’s biographer Stacy Brown.

He said: “The horror of it all is Prince thought his dad was just being his dad and clowning, but it was real and he watched as they worked on him. Prince was stunned – in a trance – just watching.

“There was no movement, just looking around and not really processing what was really happening.”

A family insider added: “The three children had been taken to another room by their nannies but they thought their dad was just fooling around.

“He often played dead and would then jump up and surprise them, so they thought he was just having a bit of fun. But when they saw the emergency trucks arrive, that really shook them.

“The kids were terrified and started crying and howling for their dad.”

It is claimed the children were with their grandmother Katherine, 79, in a hospital waiting room when they were later told he had died.

Michael’s manager Frank DiLeo said it was the “single most painful moment” of his life telling the children he had died.

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Andrea, a few pages back I had posted this about MJ's broken ankle perhaps fake, again with Stacey Brown (who has hinted MJ was guilty of allegations in past so not a good source but...).
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Some of my favorite places MJ could have been 'innocently acting' :ghsdf: :icon_twisted:, is in the interview with Barbara Walters, when she asks him when he heard the news about Princess Diana's death. He says, "I woke up (as if on propofol), and the doctor told me the news, and I fell back down in grief, and I started to cry."  :icon_razz:
On these two occasions MJ was supposedly difficult to wake up:  Just before his O2 announcement, Randy Phillips said he was "screaming and shouting" at MJ to wake up from his drugged state. Just before the concert in New York on Sept. 10, 2001, Frank Cascio said he had to shout at MJ to wake up from his drugged state.  All of those occasions and many more, could easily have been staged by MJ, without anyone, Randy or Frank being aware he was playin'.  These go so nicely with the slurred MJ talk ending with "I am asleep" :icon_lol:, taped by Murray, as well as many taped phone convos where MJ seemed drugged, paranoid, and out of it.  It all leads us down the slippery slope of what was real and what not in MJ's life, "The greatest show on earth", kicked off by the Pepsi fire, to the day midway from his birth to 'death'.  Will the greatest "Fake informer" please stand up and take a bow!
 :michael_jackson-1135:

[hopi]

It's a great way to have some fun on someone when you're faking your "sleeping mode"... the other one can't really be angry with you, cause "you're only sleeping" + you yourself can escape the world you don't want to interact at that moment. Suffering from insomnia is helpful either... just saying...

[everlastinglove_MJ]

Everlastinglove_MJ, thanks for the video of Dr. Treacy, nice man.  He talked of how in the 7 to 8 months MJ stayed in Ireland that he never saw him on drugs, and he never gave him any prescription of drugs. He said MJ went under a couple of times with propofol but with an anesthesist present. He said MJ read some of his large medical books and knew quite a bit in the field, was always asking questions to learn. He said he was very intelligent, and would never do anything to harm himself. He said he did have trouble with insomnia.
Another video:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=6xL7zvkwdHk&NR=1[/youtube]

You know, I think MJ had to have some experience himself with various drugs (probably very minimal) to help him carry out the hoax, so that it was believable with various witnesses telling what they knew, and so that he would be able to get various details correct.  But it was NEVER to the extent that the official story has given.  Wasn't it Latoya who said MJ had enough propofol in him to kill a horse or elephant? :icon_lol:

Wasn't it Latoya who said MJ had enough propofol in him to kill a horse or elephant?

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"The coroner said there was nothing in him except for the propofol which was pumped in his body and it was enough to kill an elephant."

I certainly believe that it took quite some time and medical books etc. to prepare the hoax in every detail, Michael could do that. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if Michael would be a medical specialist by now :icon_e_ugeek: and/or a legal specialist :judge-smiley:

[MJonmind]

Interesting that the first image of somebody having an appointment with a physician popping into our minds is that this person is ill, needs and gets a treatment and a prescription for drugs to purchase at a pharmacy.

What else could happen at such an occasion?

A consultation accompanying another person (they could also meet there).
A business meeting (medical representatives do that for living).
A private meeting (they could be friends).
The person getting a private lecture in medicine.
The person giving a lecture to the physician (who is only a human being in a white outfit and may be wanting to get advice in another area than medicine).
Sneeking into the entry of the house and going elsewhere (medical offices usually have business neighbour suites).
Dr. Arnold Klein's office e.g. happened to have its address just across Denis Bloch Fine Art - who happens to have a Google map streetview inside of his gallery. Guess what's popping up: paintings of MJ and Dame Elizabeth. Vive la manipulation.

9615 Brighton Way• Suite M-110 • Beverly Hills • California • 90210 • Ph: 1.310.275.5136

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Check it out on Google maps.
Btw, the red brick building where NPG took the images is the surgery clinic left of the white building in which Klein's office should be. Separate buildings with a street to cross.

I spent some time looking around there.  I suppose all the buildings would have underground connections as well, not for the public.