MICHAEL JACKSON Kids, Mom Want OVER $40 BIL!!!

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MICHAEL JACKSON Kids, Mom Want OVER $40 BIL!!!

  • on: March 15, 2013, 08:43:50 PM
MICHAEL JACKSON
Kids, Mom Want
OVER $40 BIL!!!




Michael Jackson's 3 children and his mom Katherine want in excess of $40 BILLION
 from AEG Live for the death of the singer  ... TMZ has learned.

We've obtained legal docs which now lay out what Prince, Paris, Blanket and Katherine
want from the entertainment company for its alleged negligent hiring and supervision of
Dr. Conrad Murray.

The kids want $10 billion for all of the future earnings they claim MJ would have scored
had he lived.

They want an additional $50 million for various other damages.

AEG Live claims the $40 billion is preposterous because Michael's career was in a
downward spiral following the child molestation allegations, as well as self-imposed exile
in the Middle East.  They claim the damage claim is based on rank speculation.

http://www.tmz.com/2013/03/15/katherine-jackson-michael-jackson-aeg-wrongful-death-40-billion-damages/#ixzz2Neua9RXO

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Wow  :omg: this article says so much in so few words; the most damning being how AEG felt about Michael and his “inability” to perform long before hiring him to do 50 shows in London.
"Don't stop this child, He's the father of man
Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

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Still Rocking my World…
   and leaving me Speechless!

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Remember this article - Deep pockets behind Michael Jackson - this is the longer version.  There were 2 printed.

I have highlighted the part that concerned me about Phillip Anschultz when I first read it, but heavens does it ever fit for right now.  Anschultz, a conservative Christian fundamentalist, definitely was not enthusiastic about putting any money behind Michael Jackson, being that he had been accused of child molestation.  And here it is again almost word for word, the same sentiments from AEG.  I initially was going to only post that paragraph, but decided to copy and paste the entire article because there’s a lot to be said about it in hindsight being that it was written before Michael “died”.  Snakes from day one…all of them  :ghsdf: :Crash: Money, money, money, money...

"Others have tried to revive the onetime pop star's performing career. Tom Barrack is convinced he's the 'caretaker' to do it".

Tom Barrack, a Westside financier who made billions buying and selling distressed properties, flew to Las Vegas in March 2008 to check out a troubled asset. But his target was not a struggling hotel chair or failed bank.

It was Michael Jackson. The world's bestselling male pop artist was hunkered down with his three children in a dumpy housing compound in an older section of town. At 49, he was awash in nearly $400 million of debt and so frail that he greeted visitors in a wheelchair. The rich international friends who offered Jackson refuge after his 2005 acquittal on molestation charges had fallen away. His Santa Barbara ranch, Neverland, was about to be sold at public auction.

In Jackson, Barrack saw the sort of undervalued asset his private equity firm, Colony Capital, had succeeded with in the past. He wrote a check to save the ranch and placed a call to a friend, the conservative business magnate Philip Anschutz, whose holdings include the concert production firm AEG Live.

Fifteen months later, Jackson is living in a Bel-Air mansion and rehearsing for a series of 50 sold-out shows in London's O2 Arena. The intervention of two billionaires with more experience in the board room than the recording studio seems on course to accomplish what a parade of others over the last dozen years could not: getting Jackson back on stage.

His backers envision the shows at AEG's O2 as an audition for a career rebirth that could ultimately encompass a three-year world tour, a new album, movies, a Graceland-like museum, musical revues in Las Vegas and Macau, and even a "Thriller" casino. Such a rebound could wipe out Jackson's massive debt.

"You are talking about a guy who could make $500 million a year if he puts his mind to it," Barrack said recently. "There are very few individual artists who are multibillion-dollar businesses. And he is one."

Others have tried to resurrect Jackson's career, but previous attempts have failed, associates say, because of managerial chaos, backbiting within his inner circle and the singer's legendary flakiness.

Even as Jackson's deep-pocketed benefactors assemble an all-star team -- "High School Musical's" Kenny Ortega is directing the London concerts -- there are hints of discord. Last week, two different men identified themselves as the singer's manager and a month before, a respected accountant who had been handling Jackson's books was abruptly fired in a phone call from an assistant.

But his backers downplay the problems. "He is very focused. He is not going to let anybody down. Not himself. Not his fans. Not his family," said Frank DiLeo, his current manager and a friend of three decades.

Jackson needs a comeback to reverse the damage done by years of excessive spending and little work. He has not toured since 1997 or released a new album since 2001, but has continued to live like a megastar.

THE MICHAEL JACKSON 'PARADOX'

To finance his opulent lifestyle, he borrowed heavily against his three main assets -- his ranch, his music catalog and a second catalog that includes the music of the Beatles that he co-owns with Sony Corp. By the time of his 2005 criminal trial, he was nearly $300 million in debt and, according to testimony, spending $30 million more annually than he was taking in.

Compounding his money difficulties are a revolving door of litigious advisors and hangers on. Jackson has run through 11 managers since 1990, according to DiLeo.

At least 19 people -- financial advisors, managers, lawyers, a pornography producer and even a Bahraini sheik -- have taken Jackson to court for allegedly failing to pay bills or backing out of deals. He settled many of the suits. Currently, he is facing civil claims by a former publicist, a concert promoter and the writer-director of his "Thriller" video, John Landis.

John Branca, an entertainment lawyer who represented Jackson for more than 20 years, blamed the singer's financial straits partly on his past habit of surrounding himself with "yes men." Branca advised Jackson to buy half of the Beatles catalog in 1985 for $47.5 million. The catalog is now estimated to be worth billions and the purchase is considered his smartest business decision.

"The paradox is that Michael is one of the brightest and most talented people I've ever known. At the same time, he has made some of the worst choices in advisors in the history of music," said Branca, who represents Santana, Nickelback and Aerosmith, among others. He said he finally split with the singer because Jackson invited into his inner circle "people who really didn't have his best interests at heart."



The singer's financial predicament reached a crisis point in March 2008 when he defaulted on a $24.5-million loan and Neverland went into foreclosure. Jackson's brother Jermaine enlisted the help of Dr. Tohme Tohme, an orthopedic surgeon-turned-businessman who had previously worked with Colony Capital.

Tohme reached out to Barrack, who said he was initially reluctant to get involved because Jackson had already sought advice from fellow billionaire Ron Burkle, an old friend.

"I said, 'My God, if Ron can't figure it out, I can't figure it out,' " Barrack said.

But he was drawn to the deal. He owns a ranch five miles from Neverland, and his sons were among local children Jackson invited over for field days at the ranch. The financier retains close ties to the developer who built Neverland and is friendly with Wesley Edens, the chairman of the property's debt-holder, Fortress Investment Group.

With the auction of Jackson's home and possessions just days away, Barrack made the singer a proposition.

"I sat down with him and said, 'Look . . . we can buy the note and restructure your financial empire,' " Barrack said. But, he told him, "what you need is a new caretaker. A new podium. A new engine."

Tohme, who acted as Jackson's manager until recently, recalled the urgency of the situation. "If he didn't move fast, he would have lost the ranch," Tohme said. "That would have been humiliating for Michael."

Jackson and Barrack reached an agreement within seven days. Colony paid $22.5 million and Neverland averted foreclosure.

FROM NEVERLAND TO LONDON

Jackson has not spoken publicly since a March news conference and his representatives declined to make him available for an interview.

Barrack said his position outside the music industry seemed to endear him to Jackson. "He looks at me like 'the suit.' I have credibility because I don't live in that world. I'm not interested in hanging around him. I'm not interested in girls. I'm not interested in boys. I'm not interested in drugs," Barrack said.

After buying Neverland, Barrack called his friend Anschutz. Barrack said the prospect of helping Jackson, given his recent criminal case, gave Anschutz, a devout Christian, pause. (Anschutz declined to be interviewed.)

Barrack had spent significant time with Jackson and praised him as "a genius" and devoted father. Ultimately, Anschutz agreed to put Jackson in touch with Randy Phillips, the CEO of his concert subsidiary.

As the head of AEG Live, Phillips oversees a division that grossed more than $1 billion last year and has negotiated such lucrative bookings as Celine Dion's four-year, $400-million run in Las Vegas and Prince's 21 sold-out dates at the O2 Arena in 2007.

Phillips had his eye on Jackson for some time. In 2007, Phillips approached the singer with a deal for a comeback, but Jackson, who was working with different advisors, turned him down. "He wasn't ready," Phillips recalled.

This time, however, Jackson was receptive. He needed the money, and he has a second, more personal reason: His children -- sons Prince Michael, 7, and Michael Joseph Jackson Jr., 12, and daughter Paris Michael Katherine, 11 -- have never seen him perform live.

"They are old enough to appreciate and understand what I do and I am still young enough to do it," Phillips quoted Jackson as saying.

Jackson stands to earn $50 million for the O2 shows, "This Is It" -- $1 million per performance not including revenue from merchandise sales and broadcast rights. Jackson is considering options including pay-per-view and a feature film. But the real money would kick in after his final curtain call in London.

A PROPOSED TOUR

AEG has proposed a three-year tour starting in Europe, then traveling to Asia and finally returning to the United States. Although Jackson has only committed to the O2 engagement thus far, Phillips estimates ticket sales for the global concerts would exceed $450 million.

"One would hope he would end up netting around 50% of that," Phillips said.

Barrack, the man who set Jackson's comeback in motion, has seen his net worth drop with the financial crisis of the last year. Forbes estimated his wealth at $2.3 billion around the time he met Jackson, but he is now merely a multimillionaire. He said that the economic downturn makes Jackson even more attractive as an investment because his value has been overlooked: In times like this, he said, "finding little pieces of information that others don't have" is more important than ever.

His company isn't exposed to any risk by working with Jackson. All the money Colony has put up is backed by the value of Neverland and related assets, he said. If Jackson regains firm financial footing, Barrack's company could be a partner in future deals. "When he looks back and says, 'Who took the risk? Who was there?' I mean, he gets it. So that's my hope," Barrack said.

It all depends on what happens July 13 when the lights go down in the O2 Arena. Doubts about Jackson's reliability are widespread because of his long concert hiatus. Those concerns were heightened earlier this month when the show's opening night was pushed back five days. Phillips and Ortega, the director, blamed production problems and said Jackson was ready to perform.

Fans demonstrated their faith in Jackson months ago when they snapped up 750,000 tickets for shows through March 2010 in less than four hours. "We could have done 200 shows if he were willing to live in London for two years," Phillips said.

Amid the high stakes, Phillips has taken a hands-on approach more reminiscent of his early days as a talent manager for acts including Guns N' Roses and Lionel Richie than as the company's chief executive.

A REPUTATION, A DO-OR-DIE MOMENT

In addition to the more than $20 million AEG is paying to produce the shows, the company is putting its reputation on the line for a performer with a track record of missed performances and canceled dates. In a video news conference earlier this month, Phillips acknowledged that the company has only been able to insure 23 of the 50 "This Is It" performances."In this business, if you don't take risks, you don't achieve greatness," Phillips said.

Phillips said he speaks with Jackson regularly and has closely monitored rehearsals in a Burbank soundstage. In response to questions about his physical condition, especially in light of his previous addiction to prescription painkillers, Phillips said that Jackson passed a rigorous medical examination. Associates also say he adheres to a strict vegetarian diet and works out with a personal trainer.

But the problems that have bedeviled Jackson in the past -- infighting, disorganization and questionable advisors -- persist.

In an interview last week, Tohme identified himself as the singer's "manager, spokesman, everything" and spoke about the benefits of dealing with business titans Barrack and Anschutz rather than their "sleazy" predecessors. "Michael Jackson is an institution. He needs to be run like an institution," Tohme said.

The next day, however, longtime Jackson associate DiLeo claimed he was Jackson's manager and said Tohme had been fired a month and a half earlier. Tohme denied being fired but declined further comment.

In April, Jackson fired the accounting firm, Cannon & Co., that had worked for him for a year, according to an accountant who worked on his finances. Jeff Cannon of Cannon & Co. said he received a phone call from an assistant of Jackson who said the singer no longer required his services.

Then there is Arfaq Hussain. A British man who met Jackson in the late 1990s, Hussain designed clothing for the performer -- including an air-conditioned jacket, a pair of self-adjusting, rhodium-plated shoes and the "Crystal Miracle," a jacket covered with 275,000 rock crystals -- and tried to launch a business selling $75,000 bottles of perfume by trading on Jackson's name.

In 2002, Hussain was jailed for four months in Britain for charges related to business fraud. Hussain and Jackson recently became reacquainted and the singer hired him as an assistant, DiLeo said.

The woman who was Jackson's public face during his criminal trial, former manager and spokeswoman Raymone Bain, is pressing a federal breach of contract suit against the singer. Bain claims that Jackson cheated her out of her 10% cut of several business deals, including the AEG concerts. Bain is to ask a judge in Washington, D.C., next month to seize the portion she alleges is hers, citing Jackson's history of evading creditors.

In his corner office high above Century City, Barrack is sanguine about reports of disharmony.

"You have the same thousand parasites that start to float back in and take advantage of the situation and that has happened a little at the edges," he said. But, he added, he had confidence in AEG's ability to keep Jackson focused.

The concerts, Phillips acknowledged, are a do-or-die moment for Jackson.

"If it doesn't happen, it would be a major problem for him career-wise in a way that it hasn't been in the past," he said.

--Chris Lee and Harriet Ryan
"Don't stop this child, He's the father of man
Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

MJ "Magical Child"
Still Rocking my World…
   and leaving me Speechless!

“True goodbyes are the ones never said

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Thanks for posting that article again Hesout. Seems to have a few inconsistencies in it. I know I'm being picky, but the quote about MJ following a strict vegetarian diet and then we see Kai Chase cooking lightly seared tuna steak on TV saying she cooked it for Michael.   :icon_e_confused:
Barrack has a long, strong history in the Santa Maria area it seems. I recall reading that one of the reasons for MJ being set up was 'they' wanted his ranch for the lucrative wine industry. With his history, I wonder how friendly he is or was with one time DA Tom Sneddon.
 Also do you get the idea from that article that Anschutz [him being so devout and all] thought Michael was guilty of those allegations?
And how prophetic were Randy Phillips words.....The concerts, Phillips acknowledged, are a do or die moment for Jackson.   


Edit ....It's Santa Barbara isn't it.   :icon_redface:
« Last Edit: March 16, 2013, 01:24:14 AM by RK »

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This article reveals only a fraction of what "they" did to Michael to get to his soul, his money, his home and all of his other assets.......  My mind and heart are broken right now............After the trial and until 6/25 he didn't even have a place he could call home, he was moving from place to place not knowing where to call home...........I can't even think anymore........

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So combining those two articles here - are Katherine and the kids getting the projected amount of $40B from the supposed plans that Barrack had for Michael?


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The concerts, Phillips acknowledged, are a do-or-die moment for Jackson.

"If it doesn't happen, it would be a major problem for him career-wise in a way that it hasn't been in the past," he said.

Agree RK, this part of the article hes posted really stuck out to me, like Randy knew the reasons that there would be no bouncing back for Michael if he "failed".  The question remains as to whether that's what he and AEG actually wanted and if that will come out at the trial.


Ooh, and notice the pic TMZ chose is an older one of Katherine and the kids wearing forum colours.

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And how prophetic were Randy Phillips words.....The concerts, Phillips acknowledged, are a do or die moment for Jackson.   [/color]

Edit ....It's Santa Barbara isn't it.   :icon_redface:

Yes RK this caught my eye too and don't worry you are not wrong because Santa María is a city inside Santa Barbara County where Neverland is placed.

I get goosebumps when I read something like what it says in both of the above articles, the one talking about Katherine and the kids makes me wonder..... if they are really asking for money to AEG to compensate the loss of Michael and it turns out that they win and get that money from AEG but Michael is alive, can anyone explain me what is gonna happen??

Regarding Hes' article I am everyday more and more convinced that the TII concerts were meant to be and even now reading that paragraph I am convinced that TII movie was meant to be too and that those subtle whispers that Michael left us on the movie were left at his own risk and nobody knew about the hoax in that very moment when the movie was being filmed, but if Michael was planning the hoax since 20 years ago and he didn't know about TII concerts by then, this means this has been another unfortunate event that he has had to add to the wrongs to be righted list of Michael's Hoax right?? what do you guys think?? :icon_rolleyes:
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And how prophetic were Randy Phillips words.....The concerts, Phillips acknowledged, are a do or die moment for Jackson.   [/color]

Edit ....It's Santa Barbara isn't it.   :icon_redface:

Yes RK this caught my eye too and don't worry you are not wrong because Santa María is a city inside Santa Barbara County where Neverland is placed.

I get goosebumps when I read something like what it says in both of the above articles, the one talking about Katherine and the kids makes me wonder..... if they are really asking for money to AEG to compensate the loss of Michael and it turns out that they win and get that money from AEG but Michael is alive, can anyone explain me what is gonna happened??

Regarding Hes' article I am everyday more and more convinced that the TII concerts were meant to be and even now reading that paragraph I am convinced that TII movie was meant to be too and that those subtle whispers that Michael left us on the movie were left at his own risk and nobody knew about the hoax in that very moment when the movie was being filmed, but if Michael was planning the hoax since 20 years ago and he didn't know about TII concerts by then, this means this has been another unfortunate event that he has had to add to the wrongs to be righted list of Michael's Hoax right?? what do you guys think?? :icon_rolleyes:


I think Michael knew he would never do the TII concerts, not because he couldn't but because he knew he would be faking his death before.  I do think he was planning the hoax for many years and knew that when the time came, he could get a concert deal together and that the company would try to take him for everything he had because he knows how artists, particularly black artists, are treated by the music industry.  He told us himself over 10 years ago what the music industry is really like.  All he had to do was provide them with the rope to hang themselves.  This is why I believe he kept up the image that he was always nearly broke when in fact he never was - he would've known that the concert promoter (and whoever else) would think they "owned" him and could get away with anything - they had to think Michael was desperate.  That's what I'm thinking right now, based on what we've been given to work with.

As for the $40B, we'll just have to wait and see what comes out of the trial but I don't think that that much money will be paid out if Katherine wins.

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"In addition to the more than $20 million AEG is paying to produce the shows, the company is putting its reputation on the line for a performer with a track record of missed performances and canceled dates. In a video news conference earlier this month, Phillips acknowledged that the company has only been able to insure 23 of the 50 "This Is It" performances."In this business, if you don't take risks, you don't achieve greatness," Phillips said.

Phillips said he speaks with Jackson regularly and has closely monitored rehearsals in a Burbank soundstage. In response to questions about his physical condition, especially in light of his previous addiction to prescription painkillers, Phillips said that Jackson passed a rigorous medical examination. Associates also say he adheres to a strict vegetarian diet and works out with a personal trainer.

But the problems that have bedeviled Jackson in the past -- infighting, disorganization and questionable advisors -- persist
.”

How does one determine that only x amount of shows are insured when you are requesting insurance based on a specified dollar amount :WTF: 

Regarding the 40 billion, I think Katherine’s lawyers used that high figure to allow AEG to hang themselves. Pretty clever! They are all about money, obviously.  Asking for such a large sum of money certainly got their full attention where it mattered most, in their pockets.  It is often said that a hit dog will holler, and as sure as the sun shines, they started screaming foul and showing their true colors which in retrospect also showed that they didn’t have any real faith in Michael’s ability from jump street.  It says to me that they were banking on him not being able to perform per their unforgivable stipulations and thus relinquishing all of his assets in the interim.  However… the tables turned and Michael  :moonwalk_:  :LolLolLolLol:
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Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

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Still Rocking my World…
   and leaving me Speechless!

“True goodbyes are the ones never said

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For me it's all very clear :icon_rolleyes: Michael is behind all this  :icon_rolleyes: as always...I always thought that the AEG wanted to exploit him   :icon_mad: ...we talked about it often  :icon_rolleyes:  :computer-losy-smiley: and this is the confirmation of Michael  :icon_rolleyes:
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I watched the movie "Argo" a few nights ago (brilliant movie) and it got me thinking about Michael's "death" and this upcoming AEG trial, so thought I'd put my post here:

Based on real events...in "Argo" a fake Hollywood movie was pretending to be made in Iran to enable the exfiltration of the 6  Americans hiding in the Canadian Embassy in Iran in Jan 1980 - it was used as a cover to fly into Iran to get to the Americans, who then had to pretend they were part of the film crew in able to escape the country via the Airport which was full of armed guards/militia etc.....they had Hollywood people who had previously worked with the CIA on undercover operations helping them....they set up a fake production company in Hollywood with offices where people in on it would answer the phones etc, they had a script, they held a large press conference about it so the press would "sell" it as a legit movie being made, even though reporters had no idea that it was all fake (hahahaha - sound familiar?), they made movie posters for it and put advertising in newspapers about the upcoming movie. It was highly top secret and no-one knew about it for years. The President, Jimmy Carter was well aware of what was going on.

ALL FAKE  :icon_lol:

Anyway - made me think about the This Is It concerts. Fake concerts & fake rehearsal footage (which just so happened to be filmed for a movie). O2 Press conference, the TII movie posters....

Michael would have known those concerts were never going to occur, as did well placed insiders helping him, however they had to make it appear like they were going to take place in order to fool and catch the "big fish" (Travis Payne "the idea was to get the big fish from all over the world and put them in the same pond") who were trying to take Michael down and I think probably also had other big evil plans on top of trying to get  MJ.

The fake concerts and fake rehearsals were a cover for whoever/whatever big fish they are trying to trap.....being helped by certain hollywood insiders (Kenny Ortega for sure I think is one of those helping) and obviously other powerful people, outside of Hollywood, in well placed positions willing to help.

EDIT: I am still unsure about AEG's position.........whether they are the goodies or the badies (lol).....it may be there are people inside AEG highup the ranks helping MJ in this..IDK..this is where I am at a loss. Hopefully the trial will make it more clear.

Wiki page on the actual events that took place in the movie Argo...interesting reading when thinking about This Is It concerts:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Caper
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Adi, good comparison of Argo to this trial. I'll have to see it sometime.  If the whole bad situation of MJ and TII is a similar set-up, how very mind-boggingly brilliant it has been.  And as Front just said, they are "falling into his trap".  The 'victim' is becoming the victimizer, the prey becoming the predator.  As Hes said, "The tables are turned."
 
Just like dickering on a price for an desirable item, AEG is pointing out all MJ’s flaws and how bottom of the barrel he was, and how big a risk they were taking. But Katherine & kids are saying how extremely valuable MJ was(is) at $40 Billion.  So this trial may drag MJ’s past accusations into question again, but KJ will highlight the positive aspects of his life. Hopefully the beautiful truth will come out for the world to see, that MJ is innocent of all wrong-doing, and has helped/is helping make this world a better place.  If KJ would win even part of the lawsuit money, it would mean MJ would stay in hiding, but I'm sure the money would go for the children's hospital or other charity projects. Remember how MJ used the Pepsi fire money for the Burn Unit.  Since I believe MJ will eventually reveal himself in his own time, the money issue will be resolved somehow.

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Adi, good comparison of Argo to this trial. I'll have to see it sometime.  If the whole bad situation of MJ and TII is a similar set-up, how very mind-boggingly brilliant it has been.  And as Front just said, they are "falling into his trap".  The 'victim' is becoming the victimizer, the prey becoming the predator.  As Hes said, "The tables are turned."
 
Just like dickering on a price for an desirable item, AEG is pointing out all MJ’s flaws and how bottom of the barrel he was, and how big a risk they were taking. But Katherine & kids are saying how extremely valuable MJ was(is) at $40 Billion.  So this trial may drag MJ’s past accusations into question again, but KJ will highlight the positive aspects of his life. Hopefully the beautiful truth will come out for the world to see, that MJ is innocent of all wrong-doing, and has helped/is helping make this world a better place. If KJ would win even part of the lawsuit money, it would mean MJ would stay in hiding, but I'm sure the money would go for the children's hospital or other charity projects. Remember how MJ used the Pepsi fire money for the Burn Unit.  Since I believe MJ will eventually reveal himself in his own time, the money issue will be resolved somehow.
Adi, great comparison with the movie! I also totally agree with you on AEG:  i am kinda confused myself with this whole thing...are they the goodies or the badies?  :errrr: :confused:  :judge-smiley:
Also agree with MJonmind: hopefully the trial will enable KJ to -as you said- highlight the positive aspect of Michael's life.
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Adi, good comparison of Argo to this trial. I'll have to see it sometime.  If the whole bad situation of MJ and TII is a similar set-up, how very mind-boggingly brilliant it has been.  And as Front just said, they are "falling into his trap".  The 'victim' is becoming the victimizer, the prey becoming the predator.  As Hes said, "The tables are turned."
 
Just like dickering on a price for an desirable item, AEG is pointing out all MJ’s flaws and how bottom of the barrel he was, and how big a risk they were taking. But Katherine & kids are saying how extremely valuable MJ was(is) at $40 Billion.  So this trial may drag MJ’s past accusations into question again, but KJ will highlight the positive aspects of his life. Hopefully the beautiful truth will come out for the world to see, that MJ is innocent of all wrong-doing, and has helped/is helping make this world a better place. If KJ would win even part of the lawsuit money, it would mean MJ would stay in hiding, but I'm sure the money would go for the children's hospital or other charity projects. Remember how MJ used the Pepsi fire money for the Burn Unit.  Since I believe MJ will eventually reveal himself in his own time, the money issue will be resolved somehow.
Adi, great comparison with the movie! I also totally agree with you on AEG:  i am kinda confused myself with this whole thing...are they the goodies or the badies?  :errrr: :confused:  :judge-smiley:
Also agree with MJonmind: hopefully the trial will enable KJ to -as you said- highlight the positive aspect of Michael's life.

So if Michael isn’t dead, how could this work for instead of against his comeback?  Perhaps if Katherine can prove that AEG had the intent to completely destroy Michael, devastating his earning potential and maliciously using underhanded tacts to obtain his assets hiding their schemes behind a comeback tour though secretly betting against him, then would that not be enough for her to win her case?  She is suing them because of their negligence in hiring the incompetent Conrad Murray.  Murray has acknowledge that part already.  Seems all she has to prove is that AEG hired him, not that they killed him.  In that case, she wins, the culprits are outed & forced to compensate, and Michael can come back.  She would prove wrongful death of his career, not him.  Just wondering if the semantics could change the outcome.  Don’t kill me, pleeze  :smiley-vault-misc-150: I’m as confused as the next person.  :icon_e_confused:
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I think you guys are on the right track here because as FRONT was hinting the monkey in many of his posts it might mean (as Sarahlli or Grace/Ellyd said if my memory serves me right) that "mom" (Katherine) will be the "key" and maybe she will be the one to help Michael to clear his name through this AEG trial before he comes back.
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I wonder what would happen if Murray actually says that AEG told him to find a way to do MJ in, as in snuff him out, kill him and making it look innocent.  But with nothing in writing, could they take his word as fact? Especially as he is a convicted criminal.  Then Prince’s testimony perhaps that Murray seemed to take his sweet time in trying to resuscitate him, and delaying calling 9/11—all indicators that Murray wanted to make it look like a accidental death but making sure he was dead.  Just the fact alone that Murray went to the bathroom while MJ was on propofol was so very risky and stupid.  Then coupled with the fact that over and over  Joe, Latoya and other Jacksons have been saying that Murray was only “the fall guy”—“the finger of the hand” that really killed him and would benefit from MJ being dead.   Really when you think about it, Murray had absolutely no benefit in killing MJ, but AEG had huge motivation for a dead Michael.  Randy Phillips emailed saying they were going to make a fortune because MJ was dead.  And biggest of all—TA DA! – “Exhibit B going to rock that trial!”

And then wondering further, what if, Murray says AEG wanted him to kill Michael, but that instead of doing that, he helped Michael escape and fake his death, and took the rap for murder, spending 4 years in jail, all for this sting. In that case if MJ appeared live, it would incriminate AEG as attemped murderers. Okay maybe I'm letting my imagination go wild.  :icon_lol:

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I wonder what would happen if Murray actually says that AEG told him to find a way to do MJ in, as in snuff him out, kill him and making it look innocent.  But with nothing in writing, could they take his word as fact? Especially as he is a convicted criminal.  Then Prince’s testimony perhaps that Murray seemed to take his sweet time in trying to resuscitate him, and delaying calling 9/11—all indicators that Murray wanted to make it look like a accidental death but making sure he was dead.  Just the fact alone that Murray went to the bathroom while MJ was on propofol was so very risky and stupid.  Then coupled with the fact that over and over  Joe, Latoya and other Jacksons have been saying that Murray was only “the fall guy”—“the finger of the hand” that really killed him and would benefit from MJ being dead.   Really when you think about it, Murray had absolutely no benefit in killing MJ, but AEG had huge motivation for a dead Michael.  Randy Phillips emailed saying they were going to make a fortune because MJ was dead.  And biggest of all—TA DA! – “Exhibit B going to rock that trial!”

And then wondering further, what if, Murray says AEG wanted him to kill Michael, but that instead of doing that, he helped Michael escape and fake his death, and took the rap for murder, spending 4 years in jail, all for this sting. In that case if MJ appeared live, it would incriminate AEG as attemped murderers. Okay maybe I'm letting my imagination go wild.  :icon_lol:
Oh, MJonmind, I just loved your last paragraph ... This morning, as I was preparing to come to work, I had this very particular Murray scenario in my head, and I was asking myself "what if..." out loud, while my hubby looked at me puzzled and somehow frightened. He must've though his wife is going just a lil' loco, by talking to herself :))
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I feel nothing is going to happen in this trial. I can't see how AEG won't be in the death hoax. I mean is it even possible that MJ hides all of his death hoax plans from concert promoters while posing to be a vulnerable, timid and weak guy who has been forced to do 50 concerts ?
Even if a few shady people have been planning to harm MJ, they wont be revealed soon....it will take a  lot time. I keep hearing Jermaine's words, "Michael had a five year plan".


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I wonder what would happen if Murray actually says that AEG told him to find a way to do MJ in, as in snuff him out, kill him and making it look innocent.  But with nothing in writing, could they take his word as fact? Especially as he is a convicted criminal.  Then Prince’s testimony perhaps that Murray seemed to take his sweet time in trying to resuscitate him, and delaying calling 9/11—all indicators that Murray wanted to make it look like a accidental death but making sure he was dead.  Just the fact alone that Murray went to the bathroom while MJ was on propofol was so very risky and stupid.  Then coupled with the fact that over and over  Joe, Latoya and other Jacksons have been saying that Murray was only “the fall guy”—“the finger of the hand” that really killed him and would benefit from MJ being dead.   Really when you think about it, Murray had absolutely no benefit in killing MJ, but AEG had huge motivation for a dead Michael.  Randy Phillips emailed saying they were going to make a fortune because MJ was dead.  And biggest of all—TA DA! – “Exhibit B going to rock that trial!”

And then wondering further, what if, Murray says AEG wanted him to kill Michael, but that instead of doing that, he helped Michael escape and fake his death, and took the rap for murder, spending 4 years in jail, all for this sting. In that case if MJ appeared live, it would incriminate AEG as attemped murderers. Okay maybe I'm letting my imagination go wild.  :icon_lol:


I can see how you connected those dots but what I don't understand is how AEG would've profited so much from Michael dying, it still seems to me that they would've gained a whole lot more from Michael starting the tour but not being able to complete all the shows and I think THAT is what they were banking on.  Because like you said - biggest of all - Exhibit B, which was an alive but failing Michael.  Maybe Murray could say (if he actually says anything) that AEG had him push Michael beyond what he could do -  making Michael incapable of being able to perform all the shows.  I still think it was Michael who brought in Murray as the "death" doctor, who did things (or said he did things) as per the "script" and to go along with the specific timings - like 12:21.  If there is a sting then that makes sense as well.  Except for Murray going to jail maybe.  Although if there is a sting, I believe there is more than one aspect to it, a wide net being cast to catch all sorts.  And who knows, maybe the mysterious Tohme Tohme is undercover somehow, he's certainly managed to keep a low profile and avoid the trials.  You would think he would testify as the "middle man" between Michael and AEG, considering the letter of intent/contract was addressed to him.
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Who was the member that said that was gonna go to the jail to visit CM or that was waiting for the invitation to go visit him?? It's funny that we don't know yet if CM is in the jail or not.
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That would be me @Sweet.  However, I never got any response from Conrad re: adding me to his visitation list.  I did receive an email from the jail informing me that visits cannot be validated too far in advance.  Since I won’t be in Cali until June, I must make the request no later than 8 days prior to anticipated visit.  I am still pursuing this.  I’ll keep all informed of the final outcome.  :beerchug:
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That would be me @Sweet.  However, I never got any response from Conrad re: adding me to his visitation list.  I did receive an email from the jail informing me that visits cannot be validated too far in advance.  Since I won’t be in Cali until June, I must make the request no later than 8 days prior to anticipated visit.  I am still pursuing this.  I’ll keep all informed of the final outcome.  :beerchug:

I was thinking about you but I was not sure about it, thanks for the info perhaps by then Michael has already come back so you won't need to go to figure it out :icon_lol:
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I feel nothing is going to happen in this trial. I can't see how AEG won't be in the death hoax. I mean is it even possible that MJ hides all of his death hoax plans from concert promoters while posing to be a vulnerable, timid and weak guy who has been forced to do 50 concerts ?
Even if a few shady people have been planning to harm MJ, they wont be revealed soon....it will take a  lot time. I keep hearing Jermaine's words, "Michael had a five year plan".


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Just as plausible!  I'm 50/50 on AEG being in; nothing's conclusive.  So we all just "keep watching"!

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@Sweet - that would be “sweet”  :LolLolLolLol:
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You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

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