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Revisiting the Chandler Saga

  • on: March 23, 2013, 09:44:44 PM
I must be slipping because I don’t recall discussing this:  http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,209470,00.html  :fresse: But I know we must have.


Ex-Jacko Accuser in Court Against Dad
Written By Roger FriedmanPublished August 19, 2006FoxNews.com
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Jacko: $20 Mil Kid Gets Order Against Dad

A strange turn of events among the peripheral people in Michael Jackson’s odd world has taken place.

According to court papers obtained by this column, the young man who, in 1994, settled with Michael Jackson for $20 million was allegedly physically assaulted last year by his own father.

Jordan Chandler, now 26, filed a request for a restraining order against his father on August 5, 2005. The reason for the order was that Evan Chandler, formerly a dentist and an aspiring screenwriter, had allegedly hit Jordan over the head from behind with a twelve and a half pound weight. He’d also allegedly sprayed him in the face with mace and tried to choke him.

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The two men, according to court papers, were living together in a luxury apartment in New Jersey.

The bizarre case was remanded to trial by a pair of appellate judges on June 8th of this year. This followed a reversal of the restraining order by another judge who felt that Evan Chandler’s actions did not represent a pattern of abuse and didn’t qualify as domestic abuse. The appellate judges disagreed, reinstated the restraining order, and sent the case to trial.

These last judges sounded a little surprised in their ruling that the restraining order had been lifted in the first place. “The judge also found that the weight could cause serious bodily injury or death,” they wrote, indicating that they felt Evan Chandler meant to harm his son.

This means that soon enough Evan and Jordan Chandler will be in a public dispute in a New Jersey courtroom. For Jackson watchers, this is nothing short of shocking: the Chandlers have done everything possible to remain out of the public eye since settling with Jackson in 1994 for a little over $20 million.

In what has now been a much-reported story, Jordy Chandler, then 12 years old, alleged that Jackson molested him on numerous occasions between 1991 and 1994. His uncle, Ray Chandler, published a book about the case in 2005, as did Jackson’s longtime PR man, Bob Jones. Both books detailed Jackson’s inappropriate relationship with the boy; Ray Chandler’s book also recounted the negotiations with Jackson’s attorney, Bert Fields, and his investigator, Anthony Pellicano, by which his brother and nephew got the $20 million.

At the time of this episode, Evan Chandler was divorced from Jordy’s mother, June, who had custody of their son and conceded that she’d let Jackson sleep in the boy’s room in her house for months without supervision. Jackson was then about 35 years old. Subsequently, June Chandler was cut off from her son and as of last year had not seen or spoken to him in a dozen years. She testified to all of this in Jackson’s 2005 child molestation trial.

A falling out between Jordy and Evan Chandler of this serious a nature immediately reveals a couple of things: that at the age of 25 Jordy was still living with his father, and that they had settled into a luxury apartment in New Jersey with panoramic views of Manhattan.

Prior to this they had owned a beach house in Westhampton, New York, and had had an apartment in New York. Public records show, however, that Jordy sold the beach house for $2.9 million in 2003. He bought a condo for $775,000 in West Harlem in June 2005 one week after Jackson was acquitted of child molestation and about six weeks before he accused his father of attacking him. At the time he purchased the coop, Jordy gave a PO Box in Jersey City as his address. It’s only conjecture, but it’s likely that Evan Chandler—whom his brother Raymond had said in interviews was seriously ill in 2005—didn’t want his son to leave him.

News of the Chandlers’ domestic dispute comes as Jackson remains on the down-low somewhere in Europe, either in London or Dublin, as his lawyers try to work out what will become of his languishing career. Having beaten the child molestation charge, Jackson turned himself into a self-exiled celebrity. His Neverland Ranch was shuttered after California officials fined him for not paying his employees for four months and letting their insurance lapse. A $25 million lien was placed against Neverland in June in order to pay off one of Jackson’s attorneys. And a group of investors in Rancho Palos Verdes, California is currently holding a $2.2 mortgage on Jackson’s parent’s home in Encino, California.

More to come…
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Re: Revisiting the Chandler Saga

  • on: March 24, 2013, 01:55:12 AM
Just feel pain and anger for what MJ endured, but know that "the best is yet to come"!  This story ain't done by a long shot...

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Re: Revisiting the Chandler Saga

  • on: March 24, 2013, 03:37:03 AM
I never thought Michael would just let things stand.......be accused of such heinous things, pay a huge settlement, and be done......
I think Michael wouldn't rest until these false allegations were finally put right.....wrongs - righted : ) 
God Bless him and the family.....in a world where one believes you are guilty of hurting a child, is not a world Michael could live in.......I believe. 

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Re: Revisiting the Chandler Saga

  • on: March 24, 2013, 12:18:10 PM
I wonder if this attack wasn’t fueled by Jordy’s father’s greed once again; thinking that he could have won & gotten more had they pursued a trial rather than taking the settlement.   :Pulling_hair: It’s amazing that this article is supposed to be about Jordy being attacked by his dad and ends up being yet another attack on Michael’s character.  This happening in 2005 automatically makes me think that It had a helluva lot to do with Michael being accused again & being prosecuted for it bringing up old remorse from Jordy’s father in thinking, it should have been his family getting a chance to be in the limelight.   :computer-losy-smiley:
"Don't stop this child, He's the father of man
Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

MJ "Magical Child"
Still Rocking my World…
   and leaving me Speechless!

“True goodbyes are the ones never said

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Re: Revisiting the Chandler Saga

  • on: March 24, 2013, 03:40:48 PM
Speechless   :computer-losy-smiley: :icon_rolleyes: :Crash: :icon_e_sad:
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Re: Revisiting the Chandler Saga

  • on: March 25, 2013, 12:18:29 PM
any parent whose son to abused receiving money in Exchange, also think that it was a mistake by Michael  have reached this agreement.

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Re: Revisiting the Chandler Saga

  • on: March 25, 2013, 05:59:51 PM
any parent whose son to abused receiving money in Exchange, also think that it was a mistake by Michael  have reached this agreement.

It wasen't Michaels decision to pay and settle, it was Michaels insurance company who desided to pay and go on leave this behind.
I have seen a interview with Katherine where she says not exact quote, and i can't find the interview or part of the interview where Katherine declares, but going to continue to search for it.
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Re: Revisiting the Chandler Saga

  • on: March 25, 2013, 07:19:35 PM
any parent whose son to abused receiving money in Exchange, also think that it was a mistake by Michael  have reached this agreement.

There is an interview where Michael states that he paid that money because his lawyer told him to do so  to avoid any further complications, however Michael later thought that it was a mistake and that made him to seem more frail, that's the reason why he was again accused of child abuse because Arvizo thought he was gonna take a big amount of Michael's money, however he (Arvizo) didn't count with the fact that Michael in this case would have one of the best lawyers ever fighting for his (Michael) rights who made him to be acquitted.
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Re: Revisiting the Chandler Saga

  • on: March 25, 2013, 07:34:00 PM
yes, so great was the error that still today for that reason there are people who think that Michael is not innocent of what he was accused, even being declared innocent after, they think that the money was a key factor in this verdict, this is what some people have told me my.

All those who were behind all this shit they knew very well what they were doing, an abuser of children is something that the people  abhors and recover the reputation is something very difficult.

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Re: Revisiting the Chandler Saga

  • on: March 26, 2013, 01:56:12 AM
If he was found truly innocent and acquitted in 2005, then he would be innocent in 93, and that $20 million should have been returned to him, plus damages for emotional injury.  Why was no one charged with false accusations, including Tom Sneddon? That is a heinous crime, destroying the victim's total reputation and means to earn a living.  Rather MJ's purity/love for children was sacrificed for the sins of the Catholic priests (Rev. Farrakhan used the word "crucified"), JMO. He was the metaphorical sacrificial lamb.

Notice in this Wiki article, the emphasis around 1994 and 2005 of heavy attention on the problem. I'm sure they wanted relief from heavy scrutiny. And many articles on the newly elected pope Francis, also mention these same 2 periods as being difficult ones.

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This change placed all such cases under the auspices of Cardinal Ratzinger, who served as prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith from 1981 until he was named Pope Benedict XVI in 2005.[9] The Dallas Morning News did a year-long investigation, after the 2002 revelation that cases of abuse were widespread in the Church.[1] The results made public in 2004 showed that even after the public outcry, priests were moved out of the countries where they had been accused and were still in "settings that bring them into contact with children, despite church claims to the contrary."[1] Among the investigation's findings is that nearly half of 200 cases "involved clergy who tried to elude law enforcement."[1] In July 2010, the Vatican doubled the length of time after the 18th birthday of the victim that clergymen can be tried in a church court and streamlined the processes for removing "pedophile priests."[10][11][12]

The cases received significant media and public attention in Canada, Ireland, and the United States, and throughout the world.[7] In response to the attention, members of the church hierarchy have argued that media coverage has been excessive and disproportionate.[13] According to a Pew Research Center study, media coverage mostly emanated from the United States in 2002, when the Boston Globe began a critical investigation. By 2010 much of the reporting focused on child abuse in Europe.[14][15] From 2001-2010 the Holy See, the central governing body of the Catholic Church, has "considered sex abuse allegations concerning about 3,000 priests dating back up to 50 years" according to the Vatican's Promoter of Justice.[16] Cases worldwide reflect patterns of long-term abuse and the covering up of reports.[note 1] Church officials and academics knowledgeable about the Third World Roman Catholic Church, say that sexual abuse by clergy is generally not discussed, and thus is difficult to measure.[7][17] In the Philippines where as of 2002 at least 85% of the population is Catholic, revelations of child sexual abuse by priests followed the United States' reporting in 2002.[18]

In the United States, which has been the lead focus of much of the scandals and subsequent reforms,[19] BishopAccountability.org, an "online archive established by lay Catholics," reports that over 3,000 civil lawsuits have been filed against the church,[20] some of these cases have resulted in multi-million dollar settlements with many claimants. In 1998 the Roman Catholic Diocese of Dallas paid $30.9 million to twelve victims of one priest ($44.1 million in present-day terms).[21][22] From 2003 to 2009 nine other major settlements involving over 375 cases with 1551 claimants/victims, resulted in payments of over $1.1 billion USD.[note 2] The Associated Press estimated the settlements of sex abuse cases from 1950 to 2007 totaled more than $2 billion.[23] BishopAccountability puts the figure at more than $3 billion in 2012.[6][20] Addressing "a flood of abuse claims" five dioceses (Tucson, Arizona; Spokane, Washington; Portland, Oregon; Davenport, Iowa, and San Diego) got bankruptcy protection.[23] Eight Catholic dioceses have declared bankruptcy due to sex abuse cases from 2004-2011.[24]

International dimension of problem

Catholic Church - Percentage by country.
Sexual abuse of children under the age of consent by priests receives significant media and public attention in Canada, Ireland, the United States, the United Kingdom, Mexico, Belgium, France, Germany and Australia, while cases have been reported throughout the world.[7] Many of the cases span several decades and are brought forward years after the abuse occurred.

Although nation-wide enquiries have only been conducted in the United States and Ireland, cases of clerical sexual abuse of minors have been reported and prosecuted in Australia, New Zealand, Canada and other countries. In 1994 allegations of sexual abuse on 47 young seminarians surfaced in Argentina.[25] In 1995 Cardinal Hans Hermann Groër resigned from his post as Archbishop of Vienna, Austria over allegations of sexual abuse, although he remained a Cardinal.[26] Since 1995, over one hundred priests from various parts of Australia were convicted of sexual abuse.[27][non-primary source needed]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases

Here is a very good article on Tom Sneddon (Catholic) and MJ.  http://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2010/06/28/tom-sneddon-their-best-man-did-his-best-job-and-found-nothing-so-new-witnesses-are-required-not-to-disturb/

This on Sneddon ignoring crimes of priests, is TRULY horrifying, and happened in 1993.
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The Phoenix Gazette, Section A, Tues November 30, 1993
 
Dozens of reported abused by Catholic friars
By Jeff WilsonThe Associated Press
 
GOLETA, Calif. — For more than two decades, Roman Catholic priests sexually abused boys aged 7 -to 16 at a boarding school in a Santa Barbara seminary, a panel organized by a Franciscan order concluded.  A board of inquiry for the St. Barbara Province of the Francis­can Order said Monday that 12 priests engaged in nude games, fondling and other sex acts with students at St. Anthony's Semi­nary from 1964 to 1987, when it closed because of financial prob­lems. So far, 34 boys, mostly teenag­ers, have been identified as vic­tims.
 
"The abuse perpetrated by our own brothers on the victims and their families is truly horrific," said the Rev. Joseph Chinnici, minister of the Oakland-based Province of St. Barbara and leader of Franciscans in seven Western states.  "We totally abhor what has occurred," Chinnici said.
At a news conference Monday night, the chairman of the order's panel said they were stunned by the results of their investigation.  "We found that in the years in question, a serious problem of sexual abuse of minors by friars existed at the seminary," Geoffrey Stearns said.  He said the investigation would continue and that the panel ex­pects other alleged victims to come forward.
 
A message left after business hours Monday at District Attorney Thomas Sneddon's office was not immediately returned. Lt. John Thayer, a police spokesman, said prosecutions of the priests were unlikely because of the statute of limitations, which is six years on child molestation cases in Califor­nia.   Of the 12 priests, whose names weren't disclosed in a 72-page report, eight were being treated by therapists. One left the order, one died and another priest's case was being investigated by the panel.  The other priest served six months in jail after pleading no contest in 1989 to oral copulation of a minor at the seminary.  After the case, the order sent out letters to former students asking if they had been abused. When some of them came forward the order decided to investigate. The panel, organized in 1992, included an attorney, three psy­chotherapists, a member of the order and a victim's parent....
  It goes on in sordid detail... :-[

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Re: Revisiting the Chandler Saga

  • on: March 26, 2013, 03:44:05 AM
http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2009/07/08/michael_jackson_forced_by_insurers_to_pa_1

Michael Jackson Forced By Insurers To Pay Off Child Molestation Accuser
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Tweet 0 4Comment 11 Michael Jackson's insurance company forced the late King of Pop to pay a reported $20 million to his first child molestation accuser, rather than challenge him in court, according to a new book which sets out to clear the pop superstar of his bad name.

The cash deal left many feeling sure Jackson was guilty and had something to hide, but investigative journalist Ian Halperin's new tome "Unmasked: The Final Years of Michael Jackson" claims the singer was not a paedophile who preyed on children.

And Halperin suggests Jackson would have been acquitted of any wrongdoing, had his first child molestation case in the mid-1980s gone to trial.

A second accusation two decades later ended with Jackson being acquitted in 2005 - after a long and embarrassing trial.

Many believe the case took so much out of the King of Pop and he never truly recovered.

An insider, who has read the upcoming book, tells In Touch magazine, "The book shows documents proving that Michael’s insurance company forced the (Jordy) Chandler settlement on him against his will and against the advice of his lawyers. He collapsed in hysterics when he found out he had to do that."

Halperin's new tome is sure to enrage family and friends who are still mourning Jackson's untimely death, because the journalist also suggests Jackson was secretly gay and once picked up a construction worker in Las Vegas.

The insider tells the publication, "They then regularly met at a motel. Michael would dress up as a woman. The lover admitted Michael made him sign a confidentiality agreement."


I havent found the interview with Katherine....yet , where she states that insurance company did the settlement, but this article also says it was the insurance company who did the settlement, and it was also against the advise of the laywers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2_ROMwK60Q&NR=1&feature=endscreen

At 5.55. there's the document that show also it was his insurance company who did the settlement.
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Re: Revisiting the Chandler Saga

  • on: March 26, 2013, 01:13:15 PM
Thanks for these articles as I was about to ask what other important news was ongoing during 1993 when Michael was again at the epitome’ of his career everywhere but in America.  :confused: This was during the Dangerous era aboad, no, and Michael was off the charts. He was touring, did the big super bowl halftime show and…that interview with Oprah (where she asked about the crotch grabbing & his skin color)  :icon_rolleyes: which seems coincidental that the 2 biggest interviews he ever gave, first with Oprah and then with Bashir resulted in his being accused of terrible crimes against children. If I remember correctly during this period is also when Oprah really started lambasting the Catholic church for molesting young boys.  And in 2005 she formulated her infamous child predator watch list. 

The following statement was taken from Oprah.com:
 "Oprah's long-standing commitment to children led her to initiate the National Child Protection Act in 1991, when she testified before the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee to establish a national database of convicted child abusers. On December 20, 1993, the "Oprah Bill" was signed into law. In 2005, Oprah launched Oprah’s Child Predator Watch List and her pledge to provide a $100,000 reward per case to those individuals whom the FBI or local law enforcement officials say provided critical information leading to the capture and arrest of fugitives featured on The Oprah Winfrey Show or Oprah.com. Since its launch, nine of the featured fugitives have been captured.”

Who knows who else was on it and who’s assistance was relegated (Bashir).

Here’s some interesting thoughts to ponder from the New York Post:  http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/pulling_back_the_curtain_on_oprah_o8pmz6I4T3lZ8san4GHvlN/1

and then this article from 1992

Airing Sexual Exploitation Of Children While Claiming To Expose It Incites The Impressionable To Make Up Things That Never Happened

By NICHOLAS VON HOFFMAN
POSTED: September 09, 1992

If Jerry Lewis uses muscular dystrophy to perpetuate his career, Oprah Winfrey is using child abuse to further hers.

Of late it has been nearly impossible to turn on a television set without being treated to Ms. Oprah's sobersided delectations over adults touching children in their no-no zones. Mr. Lewis is tasteless while Ms. Winfrey is tasty in her disguising the essential prurience of her program content under the guise of addressing a social problem.

That the sexual abuse of children is an important social problem remains to be convincingly proven. That it occurs, even outside the confines of the Roman Catholic Church, there is no doubt, but that it is a serious problem when stacked up against all the other difficulties facing the nation and its children seems improbable.

In trying to ascertain what the facts of the matter are it is a mistake to

put much reliance on the suspect "studies" turned out by people from the psychology industry which has a palpable, material interest in nailing down the proposition that millions of child molesters are to be found in home and school. Statistics on this topic may be taken only with a grain of salt.

Counting child abuse cases is like counting a bucket of wriggling eels. No common definition of what constitutes child abuse exists and none can say when it may have occurred and therefore should be counted - not in an era of sexual McCarthyism. Television to the contrary, the United States probably has not become a nation of vile adults taking lustful advantage of its children.

Oprah Winfrey, and the television networks that have aired her child-abuse special, Scared Silent, cash in on her game. They are spreading hysteria and encouraging the juridical lynching of people falsely accused of having sexual congress with children.

The last years have seen enough Salem show trials of people ruined by the accusations of deranged adults speaking through children whom they have coached and controlled.

Thanks to the Oprah Winfrey Watch and Ward Vigilante Association other lives will be destroyed as new people are dragged to the bar of injustice.

Having show business personalities on prime time glamorizing the subject of sexual exploitation of children while claiming to fight it is an incitement of the impressionable to make up things that never happened. Winfrey and the networks who put this nonsense on the air are facilitating hysterical contagion and building an atmosphere that makes growing up a little harder, a little more lonely, than it otherwise might have been.

Thanks to Oprah and her confederates an increasing number of adults, especially men, are steering clear of any contact with children. Outside of formal situations where contact is sanctioned, men are keeping their distance

from children of all ages. Increasingly, they don't touch them, they don't talk to them, they don't help them in distress, they don't even smile at them.

Once upon a time the rearing of children was regarded as something of a communal responsibility. Older people bothered with youngsters who weren't their own. You're asking for a lawsuit, if not an arrest, today if you look crosswise at a child. Their care and rearing is left to their parents, their teachers and those Rasputins of modern life, the psychologists.

The child abuse scam is backed by the psychology industry. A sharp line is drawn here between the psychology business and psychiatry, a licensed profession practiced by people trained in medical art and science.

Psychology is another matter. Counseling the innocent, mugging pedestrians and pushing drugs may be the last areas of unfettered free enterprise.

Anybody can hang up a shingle, call him or herself an expert and make a living off the child abuse scare. Given the growing reputation of therapists for taking sexual advantage of their patients, there is a certain irony in calling on their services in these matters.

There's a lot of money to be made because everybody becomes a potential paying patient. The candidates for "help," "treatment" and/or "therapy" include: a) the putative victim, b) the victim's family, classmates and chums and c) the alleged perpetrator. All aboard, everybody goes to group therapy!

For the "treatment providers," this deal is better than buying an annuity. The need for their services never ends, because the new shibboleth of this racket is that no one is ever cured. The patients or clients or marks are taught to think, say and believe that they are always "recovering," never recovered. Therapy ad nauseam, payments ad perpetuum.

To help keep the money rolling in, judges have been persuaded to sentence persons convicted of sex offenses to treatment. But sentencing people to therapy raises new questions.

If a person is suffering from a disease that deprives him of the power to control his acts, why was he convicted? Don't send him to a law court, send him to a doctor. Conversely, if a person has committed a crime, why is he being treated for an illness? He's a criminal, punish him. Heads I win, tails you lose, but always pay the shrinkologist.

If I didn't know better I would suspect George Bush and the Republicans of putting Oprah and the networks up to unleashing this storm on the nation two months before election day. Those Oprah introduced offered titillating, first person accounts of what Daddy did to me and how it felt. These couldn't be better calculated to distract attention from what our children need.

When is Ms. Oprah going to devote a weekend of network television to parents making enough money so that one of them has the time to stay home and rear their children? And while she's at it, let's not have a weekend but a month consecrated to schools and schooling.

Yes, some children are injured by sex molesters, but more of them are victims of celebrity abuse and media molestation. Now that, Ms. Oprah, is a problem you are in a position to do something about. You can even do it quietly, off camera.”

Some things just make me wonder  :icon_e_confused:  :Crash: :ghsdf:


It’s also an interesting timing for Oprah’s first real efforts towards a show about molestation being 2/21/03 - Confessions of Molestation right around the time of Michael’s accusation although he was officially indicted in December 2003.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/12/18/jackson.case/index.html?_s=PM:LAW

Michael Jackson formally charged in molestation case
Thursday, December 18, 2003 Posted: 10:35 PM EST (0335 GMT)   

District Attorney Tom Sneddon announces charges against Michael Jackson.


SANTA BARBARA, California (CNN) -- Setting the stage for a contentious legal battle played out in the world's media spotlight, California prosecutors on Thursday formally filed molestation charges against pop star Michael Jackson in a case involving a cancer-stricken boy invited to the singer's Neverland Ranch.

Jackson was charged with nine counts -- seven of child molestation and two of administering an intoxicating agent for the purpose of a committing a felony. The charges involve incidents alleged to have occurred in February and March of this year, District Attorney Tom Sneddon said.

In addition, the complaint includes special allegations that could make Jackson ineligible for probation in the case, Sneddon said.

In a prepared statement released Thursday, Sneddon said the alleged victim would take the stand at a trial. "The family is committed to this process," the district attorney said.

Later Thursday, Jackson attorney Mark Geragos again asserted Jackson's innocence and told reporters that the entertainer's legal team would "take no quarter" in their defense of the accused singer.

The charges against the 45-year-old singer were filed nearly a month after local authorities raided his Neverland Ranch home. He was booked November 20 on suspicion of multiple counts of child molestation and has been free on $3 million bond.

The singer and his lawyers maintain he is innocent, and contend that the boy in the current case and his family have brought the allegations for financial gain.

Geragos -- who acknowledged he was brought into the case soon after Jackson appeared with the cancer-stricken boy, the alleged victim, in a documentary in February -- said his client will "fight these charges with every fiber of his soul."

"Michael Jackson is unequivocally and absolutely innocent of these charges," he said.

"I'm telling you right now that there is absolutely no way that we will stand for this besmirching of this man with these horrible, horrible allegations, and I will tell you right now that there is no way that the prosecution will prevail in this case."

Geragos called the case "an intersection between a shakedown" -- the alleged victim's family looking for money -- and an investigator who's "got an ax to grind."

Jackson was accused of child molestation in 1993, but the case was settled, reportedly for millions of dollars, and no charges were filed. Sneddon was the district attorney who looked into that case. Later Jackson released a song widely considered to be an indictment of Sneddon for his efforts to prosecute Jackson in the 1993 case. Sneddon denies that the current case stems from a personal animus against Jackson.

Thursday evening, Katherine Jackson, the singer's mother, released a statement proclaiming Michael's innocence.

"On behalf of the Jackson family we know these vicious lies are totally untrue, malicious and motivated by pure greed and revenge," the statement said. "We proudly stand next to Michael who we know could never commit any of the acts he is accused of. We will fight with every ounce of our energy to reveal the truth behind these false allegations and the motivations behind those who have falsely accused Michael."

Dates may be crucial to case

A complaint filed with Santa Barbara County Superior Court accused Jackson of having "substantial sexual conduct" with a boy under the age of 14 in incidents alleged to have occurred in February and March of this year.

Five of the child molestation counts accuse Jackson of a "lewd act upon a child," a felony, "on or between February 7, 2003, and March 10, 2003, in the county of Santa Barbara." The other two molestation counts allegedly happened on or between February 20 and March 10, according to the complaint.

The two counts of administering an intoxicating agent allegedly happened on or between February 20 and March 10 of this year, according to the complaint.

A source close to the investigation told CNN the "intoxicating agent" was wine.

The specific dates could be significant for both prosecutors and defense attorneys. In mid-February, Los Angeles County child welfare officials found there was no evidence Jackson had had inappropriate contact with the boy. (Full story)

Additionally, Jackson's attorneys played for a CNN legal analyst an audiotape from mid-February in which the boy and mother said there had been no inappropriate contact.

Sneddon said prosecutors were aware of the agency's report before seeking a search and arrest warrant for Jackson, but he contended the welfare officials did not conducted interviews, or any investigation.

On the audiotape, sources told CNN that a Jackson representative was present when it was recorded by a private investigator hired by Jackson.

Jackson to travel to Britain

   

Jackson attorney Mark Geragos speaks to reporters Thursday.
Thursday's charges were filed in Santa Maria, a working-class town close to Jackson's Neverland Ranch.

The filing came after Sneddon had agreed to delay Jackson's arraignment a week to January 16, and return Jackson's passport to allow him to travel overseas. Sneddon said prosecutors agreed to return to Jackson his passport for a planned trip to Great Britain, because Jackson could face "significant economic problems" if he missed the trip.

Stuart Backerman, spokesman for the 45-year-old pop star, said Jackson planned "to relax and enjoy the surroundings of the Christmas season."

On Thursday, Sneddon denied suggestions that the state waited to file charges in hopes of finding evidence in the interim. "That was never, never, never the intent of our office," he said.

Given the intense interest in the case, he said, prosecutors wanted to wait until a Web site was in place, he said. "They're having technical difficulties. I told the court we're not going to wait any longer."

In another development, Geragos told CNN in a phone interview that reports of famed attorney Johnnie Cochran joining the Jackson defense team are false.

"I have known Johnnie Cochran for many years as an attorney and personal friend but he has already expressed publicly that he is not on this case," said Geragos.

The attorney also dismissed other reports that Jackson replaced his management staff with representatives of the Nation of Islam as "tabloid trash.”


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Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

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Re: Revisiting the Chandler Saga

  • on: March 27, 2013, 05:25:51 PM
After this post I’m finished  :compute:

I just finished watching the videos “Oprah remembers Michael”.  Quite a trip down memory lane, a long journey from then to now.  Oprah took her precious time even making mention of the 6/25/09 events.  I remember being quite angry at her for giving not a minute of her precious time to those current events… not even a whisper.  And when it was finally mentioned that she was dedicating a show in his memory, all of us were sitting ready to see her audience pounce on her for her lack of compassion, especially knowing that he had afforded her the honor of having the highest rated show ever when he allowed her, welcomed her, danced for her, and even sang to her at his Neverland Ranch.  Didn’t she know by then that she was in the company of angels???? Obviously not.  :icon_e_confused: Her bad!

So now as I watch her “Michael show” again where she had no studio audience to frown & point and shout indignities, a sound decision on her part, I realize that Michael’s “death” must have been an eye opening moment for Oprah.  She held the world in the palm of her hands and could have changed at will, Michael’s history and possibly re-wrote the story.  Her opinions about people were relished as gospel truths, and her followers were in the millions.  But she chose to look away and never look back. And in watching this program, it is obvious that her decision to not grasp onto that opportunity when she alone had full power to do so, haunts her. 

It must be hard when you have to strip your own soul bare and take a good hard look into the mirror and be faced with the hard truth staring back at you through your own eyes.  It has to be; to have to accept that even Oprah could have been wrong & had in fact failed Michael by not using her gifts to shine a light on him rather than accept perpetuate mirroring the same dark shadow the media had cast upon him with their lies and innuendoes.  She must have at some point face to face with herself, finally realized she had done Michael a great dis-service and in realizing that been forced to accept that not even she, the queen of talk, could outshine the king of love.

I stopped watching Oprah after that, but it is obvious that her sterling reputation took a serious blow for her actions.  Her worshipping audience started to see her flaws.  And her viewership suffered because of it. She is only human after all; her real a-ha moment  :icon_e_confused: And even though this interview still left me with the feeling that she was not truly ready to remove the stigma she had helped inflict on Michael’s character, I saw a not so self assured Oprah at the helm.  After that show, in my opinion, is when ratings began to fall and Oprah eventually had to retire her show.  Of course she gave other reasons for it, but in my heart, I know. 

You can’t mess with God’s chosen people and if there ever were angels to walk this earth, Michael Jackson was one amongst them.   :bearhug:  And he did it (still does) all for love.
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Re: Revisiting the Chandler Saga

  • on: March 27, 2013, 07:52:12 PM
Hey Hes.......yes I totally get every word you have written........I guess that's why I have backed off a little in posting......
this revisiting the past is just so blood curdling.  It makes me want to scream (to quote someone : ) ) ........ I have
hoped, prayed and begged for part of this hoax to expose the truth in all it's glory.  Whatever it takes, I always
believed Michael would find a way for the entire world to understand him and these nasty allegations.   I think we
have been able to share amongst ourselves, a glimpse of his genius.  Michael never rested, never stopped, never
gave up in the pursuit of the truth....this I believe fully.  We can read, dissect, write all these words and still, in the end
it comes down to Michael.  It's his adventure..... he is the puppet-master of sorts.  I think he has wanted us to revisit things.....
and open our eyes fully.  That way, when this trial finally hits, we will be braced and ready....cause it's gonna be big.
I can't help but think there is much going on behind the scenes.  Like we have been told all along......the truth will prevail.
There is so much more to know, to learn......

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Re: Revisiting the Chandler Saga

  • on: March 28, 2013, 07:56:25 AM
Hey Hes.......yes I totally get every word you have written........I guess that's why I have backed off a little in posting......
this revisiting the past is just so blood curdling.  It makes me want to scream (to quote someone : ) ) ........ I have
hoped, prayed and begged for part of this hoax to expose the truth in all it's glory.  Whatever it takes, I always
believed Michael would find a way for the entire world to understand him and these nasty allegations.   I think we
have been able to share amongst ourselves, a glimpse of his genius.  Michael never rested, never stopped, never
gave up in the pursuit of the truth....this I believe fully.  We can read, dissect, write all these words and still, in the end
it comes down to Michael.  It's his adventure..... he is the puppet-master of sorts.  I think he has wanted us to revisit things.....
and open our eyes fully.
That way, when this trial finally hits, we will be braced and ready....cause it's gonna be big.
I can't help but think there is much going on behind the scenes.  Like we have been told all along......the truth will prevail.
There is so much more to know, to learn......

Thanks hoax family....you're awesome and very much appreciated.
Blessings to each of you always!
Hes and Wishing --- after your posts, I am quite without words...I so loved your words..you said it all in a couple of paragraphs/phrases. You are both so right! Every time I revisit things, I feel I understand things a little bit more, and everything becomes clearer each time...
I think patience proves to be a very important virtue these days  ;)
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Re: Revisiting the Chandler Saga

  • on: March 28, 2013, 11:54:30 AM
Thanks for these articles as I was about to ask what other important news was ongoing during 1993 when Michael was again at the epitome’ of his career everywhere but in America.  :confused: This was during the Dangerous era aboad, no, and Michael was off the charts. He was touring, did the big super bowl halftime show and…that interview with Oprah (where she asked about the crotch grabbing & his skin color)  :icon_rolleyes: which seems coincidental that the 2 biggest interviews he ever gave, first with Oprah and then with Bashir resulted in his being accused of terrible crimes against children. If I remember correctly during this period is also when Oprah really started lambasting the Catholic church for molesting young boys.  And in 2005 she formulated her infamous child predator watch list. 

The following statement was taken from Oprah.com:
 "Oprah's long-standing commitment to children led her to initiate the National Child Protection Act in 1991, when she testified before the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee to establish a national database of convicted child abusers. On December 20, 1993, the "Oprah Bill" was signed into law. In 2005, Oprah launched Oprah’s Child Predator Watch List and her pledge to provide a $100,000 reward per case to those individuals whom the FBI or local law enforcement officials say provided critical information leading to the capture and arrest of fugitives featured on The Oprah Winfrey Show or Oprah.com. Since its launch, nine of the featured fugitives have been captured.”

Who knows who else was on it and who’s assistance was relegated (Bashir).

Here’s some interesting thoughts to ponder from the New York Post:  http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/pulling_back_the_curtain_on_oprah_o8pmz6I4T3lZ8san4GHvlN/1

and then this article from 1992

Airing Sexual Exploitation Of Children While Claiming To Expose It Incites The Impressionable To Make Up Things That Never Happened

By NICHOLAS VON HOFFMAN
POSTED: September 09, 1992

If Jerry Lewis uses muscular dystrophy to perpetuate his career, Oprah Winfrey is using child abuse to further hers.

Of late it has been nearly impossible to turn on a television set without being treated to Ms. Oprah's sobersided delectations over adults touching children in their no-no zones. Mr. Lewis is tasteless while Ms. Winfrey is tasty in her disguising the essential prurience of her program content under the guise of addressing a social problem.

That the sexual abuse of children is an important social problem remains to be convincingly proven. That it occurs, even outside the confines of the Roman Catholic Church, there is no doubt, but that it is a serious problem when stacked up against all the other difficulties facing the nation and its children seems improbable.

In trying to ascertain what the facts of the matter are it is a mistake to

put much reliance on the suspect "studies" turned out by people from the psychology industry which has a palpable, material interest in nailing down the proposition that millions of child molesters are to be found in home and school. Statistics on this topic may be taken only with a grain of salt.

Counting child abuse cases is like counting a bucket of wriggling eels. No common definition of what constitutes child abuse exists and none can say when it may have occurred and therefore should be counted - not in an era of sexual McCarthyism. Television to the contrary, the United States probably has not become a nation of vile adults taking lustful advantage of its children.

Oprah Winfrey, and the television networks that have aired her child-abuse special, Scared Silent, cash in on her game. They are spreading hysteria and encouraging the juridical lynching of people falsely accused of having sexual congress with children.

The last years have seen enough Salem show trials of people ruined by the accusations of deranged adults speaking through children whom they have coached and controlled.

Thanks to the Oprah Winfrey Watch and Ward Vigilante Association other lives will be destroyed as new people are dragged to the bar of injustice.

Having show business personalities on prime time glamorizing the subject of sexual exploitation of children while claiming to fight it is an incitement of the impressionable to make up things that never happened. Winfrey and the networks who put this nonsense on the air are facilitating hysterical contagion and building an atmosphere that makes growing up a little harder, a little more lonely, than it otherwise might have been.

Thanks to Oprah and her confederates an increasing number of adults, especially men, are steering clear of any contact with children. Outside of formal situations where contact is sanctioned, men are keeping their distance

from children of all ages. Increasingly, they don't touch them, they don't talk to them, they don't help them in distress, they don't even smile at them.

Once upon a time the rearing of children was regarded as something of a communal responsibility. Older people bothered with youngsters who weren't their own. You're asking for a lawsuit, if not an arrest, today if you look crosswise at a child. Their care and rearing is left to their parents, their teachers and those Rasputins of modern life, the psychologists.

The child abuse scam is backed by the psychology industry. A sharp line is drawn here between the psychology business and psychiatry, a licensed profession practiced by people trained in medical art and science.

Psychology is another matter. Counseling the innocent, mugging pedestrians and pushing drugs may be the last areas of unfettered free enterprise.

Anybody can hang up a shingle, call him or herself an expert and make a living off the child abuse scare. Given the growing reputation of therapists for taking sexual advantage of their patients, there is a certain irony in calling on their services in these matters.

There's a lot of money to be made because everybody becomes a potential paying patient. The candidates for "help," "treatment" and/or "therapy" include: a) the putative victim, b) the victim's family, classmates and chums and c) the alleged perpetrator. All aboard, everybody goes to group therapy!

For the "treatment providers," this deal is better than buying an annuity. The need for their services never ends, because the new shibboleth of this racket is that no one is ever cured. The patients or clients or marks are taught to think, say and believe that they are always "recovering," never recovered. Therapy ad nauseam, payments ad perpetuum.

To help keep the money rolling in, judges have been persuaded to sentence persons convicted of sex offenses to treatment. But sentencing people to therapy raises new questions.

If a person is suffering from a disease that deprives him of the power to control his acts, why was he convicted? Don't send him to a law court, send him to a doctor. Conversely, if a person has committed a crime, why is he being treated for an illness? He's a criminal, punish him. Heads I win, tails you lose, but always pay the shrinkologist.

If I didn't know better I would suspect George Bush and the Republicans of putting Oprah and the networks up to unleashing this storm on the nation two months before election day. Those Oprah introduced offered titillating, first person accounts of what Daddy did to me and how it felt. These couldn't be better calculated to distract attention from what our children need.

When is Ms. Oprah going to devote a weekend of network television to parents making enough money so that one of them has the time to stay home and rear their children? And while she's at it, let's not have a weekend but a month consecrated to schools and schooling.

Yes, some children are injured by sex molesters, but more of them are victims of celebrity abuse and media molestation. Now that, Ms. Oprah, is a problem you are in a position to do something about. You can even do it quietly, off camera.”

Some things just make me wonder  :icon_e_confused:  :Crash: :ghsdf:


It’s also an interesting timing for Oprah’s first real efforts towards a show about molestation being 2/21/03 - Confessions of Molestation right around the time of Michael’s accusation although he was officially indicted in December 2003.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/12/18/jackson.case/index.html?_s=PM:LAW

Michael Jackson formally charged in molestation case
Thursday, December 18, 2003 Posted: 10:35 PM EST (0335 GMT)   

District Attorney Tom Sneddon announces charges against Michael Jackson.


SANTA BARBARA, California (CNN) -- Setting the stage for a contentious legal battle played out in the world's media spotlight, California prosecutors on Thursday formally filed molestation charges against pop star Michael Jackson in a case involving a cancer-stricken boy invited to the singer's Neverland Ranch.

Jackson was charged with nine counts -- seven of child molestation and two of administering an intoxicating agent for the purpose of a committing a felony. The charges involve incidents alleged to have occurred in February and March of this year, District Attorney Tom Sneddon said.

In addition, the complaint includes special allegations that could make Jackson ineligible for probation in the case, Sneddon said.

In a prepared statement released Thursday, Sneddon said the alleged victim would take the stand at a trial. "The family is committed to this process," the district attorney said.

Later Thursday, Jackson attorney Mark Geragos again asserted Jackson's innocence and told reporters that the entertainer's legal team would "take no quarter" in their defense of the accused singer.

The charges against the 45-year-old singer were filed nearly a month after local authorities raided his Neverland Ranch home. He was booked November 20 on suspicion of multiple counts of child molestation and has been free on $3 million bond.

The singer and his lawyers maintain he is innocent, and contend that the boy in the current case and his family have brought the allegations for financial gain.

Geragos -- who acknowledged he was brought into the case soon after Jackson appeared with the cancer-stricken boy, the alleged victim, in a documentary in February -- said his client will "fight these charges with every fiber of his soul."

"Michael Jackson is unequivocally and absolutely innocent of these charges," he said.

"I'm telling you right now that there is absolutely no way that we will stand for this besmirching of this man with these horrible, horrible allegations, and I will tell you right now that there is no way that the prosecution will prevail in this case."

Geragos called the case "an intersection between a shakedown" -- the alleged victim's family looking for money -- and an investigator who's "got an ax to grind."

Jackson was accused of child molestation in 1993, but the case was settled, reportedly for millions of dollars, and no charges were filed. Sneddon was the district attorney who looked into that case. Later Jackson released a song widely considered to be an indictment of Sneddon for his efforts to prosecute Jackson in the 1993 case. Sneddon denies that the current case stems from a personal animus against Jackson.

Thursday evening, Katherine Jackson, the singer's mother, released a statement proclaiming Michael's innocence.

"On behalf of the Jackson family we know these vicious lies are totally untrue, malicious and motivated by pure greed and revenge," the statement said. "We proudly stand next to Michael who we know could never commit any of the acts he is accused of. We will fight with every ounce of our energy to reveal the truth behind these false allegations and the motivations behind those who have falsely accused Michael."

Dates may be crucial to case

A complaint filed with Santa Barbara County Superior Court accused Jackson of having "substantial sexual conduct" with a boy under the age of 14 in incidents alleged to have occurred in February and March of this year.

Five of the child molestation counts accuse Jackson of a "lewd act upon a child," a felony, "on or between February 7, 2003, and March 10, 2003, in the county of Santa Barbara." The other two molestation counts allegedly happened on or between February 20 and March 10, according to the complaint.

The two counts of administering an intoxicating agent allegedly happened on or between February 20 and March 10 of this year, according to the complaint.

A source close to the investigation told CNN the "intoxicating agent" was wine.

The specific dates could be significant for both prosecutors and defense attorneys. In mid-February, Los Angeles County child welfare officials found there was no evidence Jackson had had inappropriate contact with the boy. (Full story)

Additionally, Jackson's attorneys played for a CNN legal analyst an audiotape from mid-February in which the boy and mother said there had been no inappropriate contact.

Sneddon said prosecutors were aware of the agency's report before seeking a search and arrest warrant for Jackson, but he contended the welfare officials did not conducted interviews, or any investigation.

On the audiotape, sources told CNN that a Jackson representative was present when it was recorded by a private investigator hired by Jackson.

Jackson to travel to Britain

   

Jackson attorney Mark Geragos speaks to reporters Thursday.
Thursday's charges were filed in Santa Maria, a working-class town close to Jackson's Neverland Ranch.

The filing came after Sneddon had agreed to delay Jackson's arraignment a week to January 16, and return Jackson's passport to allow him to travel overseas. Sneddon said prosecutors agreed to return to Jackson his passport for a planned trip to Great Britain, because Jackson could face "significant economic problems" if he missed the trip.

Stuart Backerman, spokesman for the 45-year-old pop star, said Jackson planned "to relax and enjoy the surroundings of the Christmas season."

On Thursday, Sneddon denied suggestions that the state waited to file charges in hopes of finding evidence in the interim. "That was never, never, never the intent of our office," he said.

Given the intense interest in the case, he said, prosecutors wanted to wait until a Web site was in place, he said. "They're having technical difficulties. I told the court we're not going to wait any longer."

In another development, Geragos told CNN in a phone interview that reports of famed attorney Johnnie Cochran joining the Jackson defense team are false.

"I have known Johnnie Cochran for many years as an attorney and personal friend but he has already expressed publicly that he is not on this case," said Geragos.

The attorney also dismissed other reports that Jackson replaced his management staff with representatives of the Nation of Islam as "tabloid trash.”


 :animal0017:  Too many coincidences to actually be coincidental for my taste


yep ! let's figure out how to isolate our kids to where there is no other input than ours in their way of looking at life.
"I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be shrewd as serpents and as innocent as doves."  




Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

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Re: Revisiting the Chandler Saga

  • on: March 28, 2013, 03:52:02 PM
Hes, I wonder how many lives have been ruined by false accusation?  In MJ's case there's a whole line-up of culpable people who should be sued starting with the 2 wealthiest --Oprah and Sneddon, then Bashir, Dimond, Grace, and a host of supporting cast.  If KJ wins even a few billion out of this trial, with the 2005 trial revelations that come forth, perhaps they should be shaking in their boots for who/what's next, especially since MJ's alive and haunting.  Threatened lyrics:
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Re: Revisiting the Chandler Saga

  • on: March 28, 2013, 07:37:44 PM
any parent whose son to abused receiving money in Exchange, also think that it was a mistake by Michael  have reached this agreement.

It wasen't Michaels decision to pay and settle, it was Michaels insurance company who desided to pay and go on leave this behind.
I have seen a interview with Katherine where she says not exact quote, and i can't find the interview or part of the interview where Katherine declares, but going to continue to search for it.


I have too seen this interview.


MJ employed the best lawyers to make expert decisions for him to risk manage the situation. Morally, MJ would to be proving innocence in court, but career / business wise, it was far less risky to settle. a) to make it go away and move forward then go in to damage control mode and b) considering who was REALLY behind Chandler Snr / Tom Sneddon, there was no point going to court to prove innocence, as the same PTB would have infiltrated the court situation and corrupted evidence and outcome. It was in MJs best interests to settle, against all his moral fibre.

Death hoax is where he gets to have his day and show how the world was fooled by evil media and higher sources that he was a Chil>>> Mol>>>>
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Re: Revisiting the Chandler Saga

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any parent whose son to abused receiving money in Exchange, also think that it was a mistake by Michael  have reached this agreement.

It weren't his Laywers who gave the advice to settle , it was his insurance company who did, against the laywers advice and against Michaels will. I think it's important to know how things really went, that's why i did repost it, not that i want to be right and have the last word , but only for the importance of this matter.

It wasen't Michaels decision to pay and settle, it was Michaels insurance company who desided to pay and go on leave this behind.
I have seen a interview with Katherine where she says not exact quote, and i can't find the interview or part of the interview where Katherine declares, but going to continue to search for it.


I have too seen this interview.


MJ employed the best lawyers to make expert decisions for him to risk manage the situation. Morally, MJ would to be proving innocence in court, but career / business wise, it was far less risky to settle. a) to make it go away and move forward then go in to damage control mode and b) considering who was REALLY behind Chandler Snr / Tom Sneddon, there was no point going to court to prove innocence, as the same PTB would have infiltrated the court situation and corrupted evidence and outcome. It was in MJs best interests to settle, against all his moral fibre.

Death hoax is where he gets to have his day and show how the world was fooled by evil media and higher sources that he was a Chil>>> Mol>>>>
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It weren't his Laywers who gave the advice to settle , it was his insurance company who did, against the laywers advice and against Michaels will. I think it's important to know how things really went, that's why i did repost it, not that i want to be right and have the last word , but only for the importance of this matter.





Michael Jackson Forced By Insurers To Pay Off Child Molestation Accuser
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Tweet 0 4Comment 11 Michael Jackson's insurance company forced the late King of Pop to pay a reported $20 million to his first child molestation accuser, rather than challenge him in court, according to a new book which sets out to clear the pop superstar of his bad name.

The cash deal left many feeling sure Jackson was guilty and had something to hide, but investigative journalist Ian Halperin's new tome "Unmasked: The Final Years of Michael Jackson" claims the singer was not a paedophile who preyed on children.

And Halperin suggests Jackson would have been acquitted of any wrongdoing, had his first child molestation case in the mid-1980s gone to trial.

A second accusation two decades later ended with Jackson being acquitted in 2005 - after a long and embarrassing trial.

Many believe the case took so much out of the King of Pop and he never truly recovered.

An insider, who has read the upcoming book, tells In Touch magazine, "The book shows documents proving that Michael’s insurance company forced the (Jordy) Chandler settlement on him against his will and against the advice of his lawyers. He collapsed in hysterics when he found out he had to do that."

Halperin's new tome is sure to enrage family and friends who are still mourning Jackson's untimely death, because the journalist also suggests Jackson was secretly gay and once picked up a construction worker in Las Vegas.

The insider tells the publication, "They then regularly met at a motel. Michael would dress up as a woman. The lover admitted Michael made him sign a confidentiality agreement."


I havent found the interview with Katherine....yet , where she states that insurance company did the settlement, but this article also says it was the insurance company who did the settlement, and it was also against the advise of the laywers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2_ROMwK60Q&NR=1&feature=endscreen

At 5.55. there's the document that show also it was his insurance company who did the settlement.
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Re: Revisiting the Chandler Saga

  • on: March 29, 2013, 10:24:13 AM
News of the Chandlers’ domestic dispute comes as Jackson remains on the down-low somewhere in Europe, either in London or Dublin, ....

Sorry if this is a bit OT but this part of the article really caught my eye! At the time when no one on earth would have disputed the fact that Michael Jackson was alive, even THE MEDIA didn't know precisely where to locate him.  Now the media would say that he's dead, but that's only because they can't find him. They have no photographic evidence. My point is, if it happened once already, it could happen again. It's happening now.
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Re: Revisiting the Chandler Saga

  • on: March 29, 2013, 11:51:45 AM
News of the Chandlers’ domestic dispute comes as Jackson remains on the down-low somewhere in Europe, either in London or Dublin, ....

Sorry if this is a bit OT but this part of the article really caught my eye! At the time when no one on earth would have disputed the fact that Michael Jackson was alive, even THE MEDIA didn't know precisely where to locate him.  Now the media would say that he's dead, but that's only because they can't find him. They have no photographic evidence. My point is, if it happened once already, it could happen again. It's happening now.

Could you explain a bit more what are you saying?  I find it very interesting.
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Re: Revisiting the Chandler Saga

  • on: March 29, 2013, 11:43:33 PM
Insurers / Lawyers, whichever professional hat made the decision / pushed for settlement, did it in the interests of reducing risk and from a business perspective as well as to reduce financial damages as much as possible. Right thing to do? yes, for KOP, yes! For MJ morally / ethicaly? No. Now is his time!

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Again, we don't know *really* what happened. But I hope to God upcoming vindication and justice is on the cards! (not that I subscribe to tarots, lol)


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Re: Revisiting the Chandler Saga

  • on: March 30, 2013, 04:19:41 AM
Insurers / Lawyers, whichever professional hat made the decision / pushed for settlement, did it in the interests of reducing risk and from a business perspective as well as to reduce financial damages as much as possible. Right thing to do? yes, for KOP, yes! For MJ morally / ethicaly? No. Now is his time!

Kaboom! Bring it!


Again, we don't know *really* what happened. But I hope to God upcoming vindication and justice is on the cards! (not that I subscribe to tarots, lol)


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Re: Revisiting the Chandler Saga

  • on: March 30, 2013, 04:56:29 AM
News of the Chandlers’ domestic dispute comes as Jackson remains on the down-low somewhere in Europe, either in London or Dublin, ....

Sorry if this is a bit OT but this part of the article really caught my eye! At the time when no one on earth would have disputed the fact that Michael Jackson was alive, even THE MEDIA didn't know precisely where to locate him.  Now the media would say that he's dead, but that's only because they can't find him. They have no photographic evidence. My point is, if it happened once already, it could happen again. It's happening now.

Could you explain a bit more what are you saying?  I find it very interesting.

I just mean that when this article was written, in 2006, MJ was still officially alive. Yet whoever wrote this article wasn't sure of his whereabouts (EITHER London or Dublin), so it doesn't surprise me that even today MJ is still able to avoid being found. If he didn't plan the hoax well, some tabloid would have snapped photos of him already post June 25, 2009 and the hoax would have been blown. Just goes to show that he is good at hiding when he doesn't want to be found. :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile
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Re: Revisiting the Chandler Saga

  • on: March 30, 2013, 08:13:00 AM
News of the Chandlers’ domestic dispute comes as Jackson remains on the down-low somewhere in Europe, either in London or Dublin, ....

Sorry if this is a bit OT but this part of the article really caught my eye! At the time when no one on earth would have disputed the fact that Michael Jackson was alive, even THE MEDIA didn't know precisely where to locate him.  Now the media would say that he's dead, but that's only because they can't find him. They have no photographic evidence. My point is, if it happened once already, it could happen again. It's happening now.

Could you explain a bit more what are you saying?  I find it very interesting.

I just mean that when this article was written, in 2006, MJ was still officially alive. Yet whoever wrote this article wasn't sure of his whereabouts (EITHER London or Dublin), so it doesn't surprise me that even today MJ is still able to avoid being found. If he didn't plan the hoax well, some tabloid would have snapped photos of him already post June 25, 2009 and the hoax would have been blown. Just goes to show that he is good at hiding when he doesn't want to be found. :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile

Thanks for the explanation, yes of course he is good in hiding because he's able to disguise in a way that even his own mother wouldn't recognize him  :icon_mrgreen: however Michael isn't able to fool his brother Marlon because Marlon would always recognize Michael's body language  :icon_lol: was it Marlon or Jackie who said that about Michael's body language?  :icon_eek: it doesn't matter  :icon_lol:
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