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Re: Important Clues from an Italian Forum
December 31, 2009, 11:29:41 AM
Maybe I'm wrong(I hope I'm wrong) but after all the trolls, I no longer believe in these people;
plus she's a journalist ( no offense to the serious journalists) and this for me speaks volumes  :roll:
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Re: Important Clues from an Italian Forum
January 02, 2010, 03:44:21 PM
There are many thread about this...
BlackorWhite is come back and she write a long message.
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Re: Important Clues from an Italian Forum
January 02, 2010, 07:32:54 PM
Quote from: "Eva R"
Quote from: "SpeechlessMJJ"
BlackorWhite write: "I WILL MISS FROM THIS FORUM FOR A FEW DAYS, BECAUSE WAS ASKED ME TO LEAVE .... LEAVE MY JOB, EVEN IF I DO NOT HAVE TO WORRY AND TO GO ....
THE POINT IS THAT I HAD TO OPEN YOUR EYES, TELL YOU THE TRUTH, MICHAEL IS ALIVE AND COME BACK, BUT I CAN NOT REVEAL ANOTHER, HIS LIFE IS AT STAKE... IT'S NOT A GAME AS I HAVE SAID REPEATEDLY.
YOU SOON BOYS
SHAMONE."  :?
well, I think he is telling the truth.

This is the story I want to believe in. And I hope this one is true with all my heart :)
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Re: Important Clues from an Italian Forum
January 02, 2010, 08:04:26 PM
Quote from: "SpeechlessMJJ"
I think that these two message are very important:

1. Guys, the heart of the matter is very important.
These FBI's documents were published for a reason.
Michael is making you understand why he did this.
As i told you, Michael was seriously threatened.
Not about those threats, but these documents are used to make you open your eyes.
Is not a game nor is it a movie or a revenge on the media.

****************************************************************************************************

2. Don't believe who tells you..... there's enough to know who is alive?
No I am not enough, there must be enough because you have to understand ....
be aware that we are not playing and that all this was done for love, for us.
One day when Michael himself will explain the whole story you will love him even more because he is a person capable of selfless sacrifice his life for us.
Then everything will be explained.
But do not give up, just go down because it is really worth.  

:shock:

I totally agree.  I think he hoaxed because he HAD to and not because he WANTED to.  I believe in my heart that he was in danger.  I don't know if you remember the story told by one of the dancers about Michael coming to rehearsal with his body guards 3 days prior to his death.  The body guards remained the duration and left with Michael.  They spoke briefly with Michael, Ortega and the other guy, I forget his name, but at any rate it was a tension present that day.  It is also stated that most of what is seen in This Is It is what resulted during those last 3 days.  I feel strongly, and this is my feelings not asking anyone to concur, but I believe that what ever transpired causing Michael to come to rehearsal with his body guards in tow on that day, the discussion that ensued with Michael and Kenny, is what prompted the footage for the movie This Is It.  I do not believe This Is It happed by chance.  Something went down that was of an urgent threatening nature, and they had to move Michael fast.  Some kind of alarming situation had to take place to get the attention off of Michael's real movement.  What better to stop the world than a shocking event such as King of Pop suffers cardiac arrest.  While the world is focusing on the scene and all the upheaval, Michael was free to get out of town unnoticed.  Thus all the obvious erroneous reports, documents, etc.  They really did not have time to get it 100% down, so they just go with the flow.  Errors and all.
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Re: Important Clues from an Italian Forum
January 02, 2010, 08:09:46 PM
I do believe that there are people who know some of the facts  of what happened who are trying to keep it down winded for what ever reason.  I don't know if it is to buy more time or if they are trying to keep the truth from coming out too soon.  But you can feel it.  Somebody on some of these forums know something, thus, will fight you tooth and nail when possibly something too close for comfort is being discussed to circumvent the discussion.
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Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

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“True goodbyes are the ones never said

Re: Important Clues from an Italian Forum
January 02, 2010, 08:17:47 PM
Like Janet said, "to you he was an icon.  To us, he is family".  So true.  Then how is it that we are still mourning and sad and many still crying and they are living life as usual?   When you lose a beloved family member, especially under suspicious circumstances, yes you go on, but it is one day at a time.  You don't think about reality shows and concerts and things of that nature, and do it with a big ole grin on your face.  It just doesn't fit the norm.
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Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

MJ "Magical Child"
Still Rocking my World…
   and leaving me Speechless!

“True goodbyes are the ones never said

Re: Important Clues from an Italian Forum
January 02, 2010, 08:25:04 PM
Quote from: "hesouttamylife"
Like Janet said, "to you he was an icon.  To us, he is family".  So true.  Then how is it that we are still mourning and sad and many still crying and they are living life as usual?   When you lose a beloved family member, especially under suspicious circumstances, yes you go on, but it is one day at a time.  You don't think about reality shows and concerts and things of that nature, and do it with a big ole grin on your face.  It just doesn't fit the norm.
i have to agree on this
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Re: Important Clues from an Italian Forum
January 02, 2010, 09:14:48 PM
What it says to me is that they are so relieved that he is finally "safe" ;)
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Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

MJ "Magical Child"
Still Rocking my World…
   and leaving me Speechless!

“True goodbyes are the ones never said

Re: Important Clues from an Italian Forum
January 02, 2010, 09:42:21 PM
Amen to that!
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Re: Important Clues from an Italian Forum
January 02, 2010, 10:38:45 PM
Mostly everything in this thread you guys wrote in this thread is well said and well thought.

There is one thing that crossed my mind that was not mentionned by anyone. What if maybe it is time now for some of the truth to be coming out? To slowly prepare the comeback, I for one never really believed Michael would comeback but who knows. :?

About the family who knows, they could be pretending in public. They are all used to public attention and appearances so they could be good at not letting the personal life stuff be seen by all. There are a gazillion possibilities and I think we should give all of them so thought before deciding wether to dissmiss it or believe it.

I am curious about this black or white person, I have not went to the link to read yet, I read everything posted here first. So now I will go read, perhaps my opinion will change!?! ;)

Thank you for posting this link.
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Re: Important Clues from an Italian Forum
January 03, 2010, 03:32:32 PM
Quote from: "hesouttamylife"
Quote from: "SpeechlessMJJ"
I think that these two message are very important:

1. Guys, the heart of the matter is very important.
These FBI's documents were published for a reason.
Michael is making you understand why he did this.
As i told you, Michael was seriously threatened.
Not about those threats, but these documents are used to make you open your eyes.
Is not a game nor is it a movie or a revenge on the media.

****************************************************************************************************

2. Don't believe who tells you..... there's enough to know who is alive?
No I am not enough, there must be enough because you have to understand ....
be aware that we are not playing and that all this was done for love, for us.
One day when Michael himself will explain the whole story you will love him even more because he is a person capable of selfless sacrifice his life for us.
Then everything will be explained.
But do not give up, just go down because it is really worth.  

:shock:

I totally agree.  I think he hoaxed because he HAD to and not because he WANTED to.  I believe in my heart that he was in danger.  I don't know if you remember the story told by one of the dancers about Michael coming to rehearsal with his body guards 3 days prior to his death.  The body guards remained the duration and left with Michael.  They spoke briefly with Michael, Ortega and the other guy, I forget his name, but at any rate it was a tension present that day.  It is also stated that most of what is seen in This Is It is what resulted during those last 3 days.  I feel strongly, and this is my feelings not asking anyone to concur, but I believe that what ever transpired causing Michael to come to rehearsal with his body guards in tow on that day, the discussion that ensued with Michael and Kenny, is what prompted the footage for the movie This Is It.  I do not believe This Is It happed by chance.  Something went down that was of an urgent threatening nature, and they had to move Michael fast.  Some kind of alarming situation had to take place to get the attention off of Michael's real movement.  What better to stop the world than a shocking event such as King of Pop suffers cardiac arrest.  While the world is focusing on the scene and all the upheaval, Michael was free to get out of town unnoticed.  Thus all the obvious erroneous reports, documents, etc.  They really did not have time to get it 100% down, so they just go with the flow.  Errors and all.

I went back to find the information I made reference to from one of the This Is It dancers.  Here it is.  Source:  KINGOFPOP BOARD

The Real "This Is It"

My Conversation With Someone Who Was There


This from KOP board, posted by MRfuture, I cant say if it is 100% true, but what the guy says make alot of sense. I always felt the shows were being rushed, they should have announced the shows at least one month earlier for preparations and stuff.... NOTHING was ready, and they were supposed to leave for London in 8 days. I cant even begin to understand the pressure that was on Michael....

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Yeasterday I had the amazing chance to speak to someone who worked on This Is It. This person has worked with Michael in the past, I've seen him before on TV close to Michael, and I also saw him in the movie and his name appears at the end. He is here in Miami on vacation with family and a good friend of mine knows him. I begged him to let me meet him and he was the sweetest person, and he loved Michael.

He gave me the ok to share with you what he told me, however with the condition that I would name provide his name. He is under contract with AEG/Sony and is only allowed to officially talk good about the movie and the concert. As he told me "hey, I also gotta pay my bills, so I have to do what they say."

However, at the same time he told me to "share with fans what I said, because it is important that some things are known."

He has great respect and admiration for Michael and has known him for over 20 years.

Here's the most important things he told me:


- Michael has always been a very sweet, humble person, since the first time they met 20 years ago, however he noticed that during these reharsals, he looked even more humble than usual, to the point that he actually felt Michael was incredibly insecure this time around, he saw him very vulnerable and everyone automatically tried to make him feel ok, everyone wanted to bring the spark in him that old Michael Jackson had. According to this person a combination of the 2005 trial and the long absence from the spotlight made Michael feel very insecure.

-Michael did not get along at all with Randy Phillips. Everyone knew it, even Phillips knew it. Phillips had a very arrogant way of dealing with Michael, he was terrified that Michael would not get ready for the shows and AEG would lose a lot of money. According to this person, Phillips made it clear to several people that these concerts had to happen, no matter what, because he "had to personally convince everyone at AEG that this was a good deal" therefore his job was at risk if anything went wrong. On many occasions Phillips would go to Michael's house with Ortega and Travis Payne whenever Michael would not show up. At times they would come back with him, at times no. The official explanations to the crew was "Michael is not feeling well today," "Michael reharsed at home" or "Michael is reharsing with his vocal coach."
At first the crew believed it, but after a few weeks everyone started realizing something was up because even though Ortega and Payne would say everything was fine, it was obvious that they were very frustrated and nervous, and there were several heated discussions between Ortega, Phillips and Payne, but what exactly was being discussed was not clear since they always ade sure they would be far enough for anyone to hear. During these conversations one of them would always be on a cellphone, and then the would pass it aroud to themselves. This person believes they were talking to Michael.

-Michael, and this is shown in the movie, did not want to wear the ear monitors. As this person told me, "look at any footage from Michael in concerts in the past, and you will never find him wearing ear monitors, he did not like them, did not need them." According to him, Ortega got upset at one time at Michael, and in front of everyone told him "you have to undrstand that here you do not have an option, you have to wear them, this is going to be a closed arena, not an open stadium, and the sound is different." He said his tone was very nasty and everyone was shocked, especially since Michael looked very upset, but mostly hurt, by it.
Interestingly, yesterday Karen Faye wrote on her facebook that Michael always complained to her that he did not like ear monitors, and asked her to tell Ortega. According to her, she did and Ortega told her "well, he has to wear them!"

-This is very interesting. According to this person, there was absolutely no way the concert was going to be ready for opening night on July 13th, and everyone kenw it. He asked me the following "when you saw the movie, you do realize right that they had to show the best scenes, the best performances, right ?" I said "yes, of course" to which he replied "so do you realize that what you have seen, most of it came from June 24th, 23rd and 22nd ? Based on what you saw, did it feel as if everything was going to be ready in 2 weeks ?" He said that Michael did not have his clothes ready, and that there was "pathetic" @#$%$ing around from different stylists that were trying to come up with ideas. But nothing was ready, no clothes, not even for the dancers. Michael wanted Michael Bush, but Travis Payne brought in that Zaldy guy, and AEG was behind Zaldy, rather than Michael Bush.
The opening number for the concert was only done on the computer, just like we saw in the movie. It was never reharsed, and the robot that Michael would have come out from was not ever ready. Also the closing of the show was just a concept.
He also confirmed that they never had a full reharsal. In other words, they never practiced the whole concert, it would always be a few songs on several days, but it was never put all together, therefore they were laso very concerned that once everything was gonna put together, it would take much longer that the 2 hours orgnally planned. This was going to be a huge problem for AEG and the O2 arena, because of an agreement they had with time. Also, Michael did not want to have long shows, for obvious reasons.
Also, they never reharsed with implementing the videos for Smooth, Thriller and Earth as we saw in the movie, those were edited in the movie, but they never reharsed using them, and it was still unclear how they would be used with the songs, especially Smooth Criminal.

-For the most part, Michael looked well, however this person did unfortunately confirm to me that there were days that something was "wrong" and everybody knew it. He worked with Michael in the past and Michael never wore sunglasses while reharsing the dark like that, especially since Michael in the past would always want to see how the lights looked and for that reason did not like using shades. But he said "don't expect them to talk about it on tv of course, same with me, I won't and I can't." He said that at first everybody thought Michael was just eccentric and stuff, especially the dancers, they were just excited to see him, but he said for those who knew him for many years, including him, started realizing alarming signs.
However, he said, this just shows how vulnerable Michael was and he does not like how people associate this behavior with something negative. He said "he went through so much poor thing, I perfectly understand why this was happening." Oh and btw, he said that some of the crew members started checking TMZ with their IPHONES to find out whether or not Michael had seen Dr. Klein during the day. It would usually warn them on what to expect when he showed up.

-Michael had fun when performing, it appeared as if it was what he needed, however off stage Michael did no look happy, he rarely interacted with the crew, other than Karen Faye and at times with Michael Bush. According to this person, Michael stayed as far as he could from Ortega, Payne and Phillips off stage, because he always felt he was being chased by them to do more, perform more and give more. He said that the crew in general felt Ortega was being too demanding, especially when it was obvious nothing was ready on time. But they mostly felt Ortega was being pressured by Phillips, and that it was Phillips who was just going crazy because was in a position of losing everything with these shows.

-The day after the news came out that some fans claimed Michael told them he did not want to do 50 concerts, everyone was instructed not to talk to anybody from the media, not to let in anyone who was not authorized to attend reahrsals, especially fans. When Michael came in that day, the atmosphere was tense and he did not look happy at all. Before working that day, Phillips and Ortega met with Michael and, interestingly, with his bodyguards. They spoke for about 20 minutes, but once again this person could not hear what was being said. However everyone had the feeling Michael indeed did not want to do 50 shows and believed Michael did talk to those fans.


This is pretty much it. This guy said that it is a shame that Michael died while being extremely stressed out. He said that a lot of pressure was put on Michael, but the truth is that the concerts were not going to be ready not because of him, but because the there was simply not enough time to acocmplish all they had planned. He said he is sure Michael would have been 100% ready by July 13th, because "he did those songs hundreds of times before during his career, he knew exaclty what to do" but everything else around was not ready.
He also says he personally felt Michael sometimes did not show up because he knew things were moving slowly and sort of felt disappointed. He was a perfectionist, and when things were obviosuly not going in the right direction, he would get frustrated and sort of lose interest, instead of becoming upset at someone. Yet they made him believe it was him, that things were moving slowly because of him. But this person told me that Michael had nothing to do with all the technical stuff, like lightings, fireworks etc, therefore it was not his fault, but he was the easy target.

According to him, if the concerts were not goint to be ready, it would have been easier for AEG to blame it on Michael, than blame themsleves and their lack of timing skills.

Once again, do not ask me for his name, I will never tell, not even via PM. He was brutally honest with me and I will honor his request.

A lot of things make sense now, especially the concerts not being ready based on what we saw in the movie. No way in two weeks they were going to be ready. Also, he said, don't forget that a lot of days would have been lost during the move to London and setting up the stage there and get adjusted to the arena.


This is very sad, especially to think that Michael was somehow made feel responsible for this.


Source : Mrfuture@Kop Board
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"Don't stop this child, He's the father of man
Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

MJ "Magical Child"
Still Rocking my World…
   and leaving me Speechless!

“True goodbyes are the ones never said

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Re: Important Clues from an Italian Forum
January 03, 2010, 03:44:03 PM
that was certainly an interesting read!!  :shock:   :shock:
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Re: Important Clues from an Italian Forum
January 03, 2010, 04:06:36 PM
There is another article I though I had out in my archives, however, I can't seem to locate it.  I will keep searching.
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Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

MJ "Magical Child"
Still Rocking my World…
   and leaving me Speechless!

“True goodbyes are the ones never said

Re: Important Clues from an Italian Forum
January 03, 2010, 04:33:36 PM
Quote from: "hesouttamylife"
Quote from: "hesouttamylife"
Quote from: "SpeechlessMJJ"
I think that these two message are very important:

1. Guys, the heart of the matter is very important.
These FBI's documents were published for a reason.
Michael is making you understand why he did this.
As i told you, Michael was seriously threatened.
Not about those threats, but these documents are used to make you open your eyes.
Is not a game nor is it a movie or a revenge on the media.

****************************************************************************************************

2. Don't believe who tells you..... there's enough to know who is alive?
No I am not enough, there must be enough because you have to understand ....
be aware that we are not playing and that all this was done for love, for us.
One day when Michael himself will explain the whole story you will love him even more because he is a person capable of selfless sacrifice his life for us.
Then everything will be explained.
But do not give up, just go down because it is really worth.  

:shock:

I totally agree.  I think he hoaxed because he HAD to and not because he WANTED to.  I believe in my heart that he was in danger.  I don't know if you remember the story told by one of the dancers about Michael coming to rehearsal with his body guards 3 days prior to his death.  The body guards remained the duration and left with Michael.  They spoke briefly with Michael, Ortega and the other guy, I forget his name, but at any rate it was a tension present that day.  It is also stated that most of what is seen in This Is It is what resulted during those last 3 days.  I feel strongly, and this is my feelings not asking anyone to concur, but I believe that what ever transpired causing Michael to come to rehearsal with his body guards in tow on that day, the discussion that ensued with Michael and Kenny, is what prompted the footage for the movie This Is It.  I do not believe This Is It happed by chance.  Something went down that was of an urgent threatening nature, and they had to move Michael fast.  Some kind of alarming situation had to take place to get the attention off of Michael's real movement.  What better to stop the world than a shocking event such as King of Pop suffers cardiac arrest.  While the world is focusing on the scene and all the upheaval, Michael was free to get out of town unnoticed.  Thus all the obvious erroneous reports, documents, etc.  They really did not have time to get it 100% down, so they just go with the flow.  Errors and all.

I went back to find the information I made reference to from one of the This Is It dancers.  Here it is.  Source:  KINGOFPOP BOARD

The Real "This Is It"

My Conversation With Someone Who Was There


This from KOP board, posted by MRfuture, I cant say if it is 100% true, but what the guy says make alot of sense. I always felt the shows were being rushed, they should have announced the shows at least one month earlier for preparations and stuff.... NOTHING was ready, and they were supposed to leave for London in 8 days. I cant even begin to understand the pressure that was on Michael....

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Yeasterday I had the amazing chance to speak to someone who worked on This Is It. This person has worked with Michael in the past, I've seen him before on TV close to Michael, and I also saw him in the movie and his name appears at the end. He is here in Miami on vacation with family and a good friend of mine knows him. I begged him to let me meet him and he was the sweetest person, and he loved Michael.

He gave me the ok to share with you what he told me, however with the condition that I would name provide his name. He is under contract with AEG/Sony and is only allowed to officially talk good about the movie and the concert. As he told me "hey, I also gotta pay my bills, so I have to do what they say."

However, at the same time he told me to "share with fans what I said, because it is important that some things are known."

He has great respect and admiration for Michael and has known him for over 20 years.

Here's the most important things he told me:


- Michael has always been a very sweet, humble person, since the first time they met 20 years ago, however he noticed that during these reharsals, he looked even more humble than usual, to the point that he actually felt Michael was incredibly insecure this time around, he saw him very vulnerable and everyone automatically tried to make him feel ok, everyone wanted to bring the spark in him that old Michael Jackson had. According to this person a combination of the 2005 trial and the long absence from the spotlight made Michael feel very insecure.

-Michael did not get along at all with Randy Phillips. Everyone knew it, even Phillips knew it. Phillips had a very arrogant way of dealing with Michael, he was terrified that Michael would not get ready for the shows and AEG would lose a lot of money. According to this person, Phillips made it clear to several people that these concerts had to happen, no matter what, because he "had to personally convince everyone at AEG that this was a good deal" therefore his job was at risk if anything went wrong. On many occasions Phillips would go to Michael's house with Ortega and Travis Payne whenever Michael would not show up. At times they would come back with him, at times no. The official explanations to the crew was "Michael is not feeling well today," "Michael reharsed at home" or "Michael is reharsing with his vocal coach."
At first the crew believed it, but after a few weeks everyone started realizing something was up because even though Ortega and Payne would say everything was fine, it was obvious that they were very frustrated and nervous, and there were several heated discussions between Ortega, Phillips and Payne, but what exactly was being discussed was not clear since they always ade sure they would be far enough for anyone to hear. During these conversations one of them would always be on a cellphone, and then the would pass it aroud to themselves. This person believes they were talking to Michael.

-Michael, and this is shown in the movie, did not want to wear the ear monitors. As this person told me, "look at any footage from Michael in concerts in the past, and you will never find him wearing ear monitors, he did not like them, did not need them." According to him, Ortega got upset at one time at Michael, and in front of everyone told him "you have to undrstand that here you do not have an option, you have to wear them, this is going to be a closed arena, not an open stadium, and the sound is different." He said his tone was very nasty and everyone was shocked, especially since Michael looked very upset, but mostly hurt, by it.
Interestingly, yesterday Karen Faye wrote on her facebook that Michael always complained to her that he did not like ear monitors, and asked her to tell Ortega. According to her, she did and Ortega told her "well, he has to wear them!"

-This is very interesting. According to this person, there was absolutely no way the concert was going to be ready for opening night on July 13th, and everyone kenw it. He asked me the following "when you saw the movie, you do realize right that they had to show the best scenes, the best performances, right ?" I said "yes, of course" to which he replied "so do you realize that what you have seen, most of it came from June 24th, 23rd and 22nd ? Based on what you saw, did it feel as if everything was going to be ready in 2 weeks ?" He said that Michael did not have his clothes ready, and that there was "pathetic" @#$%$ing around from different stylists that were trying to come up with ideas. But nothing was ready, no clothes, not even for the dancers. Michael wanted Michael Bush, but Travis Payne brought in that Zaldy guy, and AEG was behind Zaldy, rather than Michael Bush.
The opening number for the concert was only done on the computer, just like we saw in the movie. It was never reharsed, and the robot that Michael would have come out from was not ever ready. Also the closing of the show was just a concept.
He also confirmed that they never had a full reharsal. In other words, they never practiced the whole concert, it would always be a few songs on several days, but it was never put all together, therefore they were laso very concerned that once everything was gonna put together, it would take much longer that the 2 hours orgnally planned. This was going to be a huge problem for AEG and the O2 arena, because of an agreement they had with time. Also, Michael did not want to have long shows, for obvious reasons.
Also, they never reharsed with implementing the videos for Smooth, Thriller and Earth as we saw in the movie, those were edited in the movie, but they never reharsed using them, and it was still unclear how they would be used with the songs, especially Smooth Criminal.

-For the most part, Michael looked well, however this person did unfortunately confirm to me that there were days that something was "wrong" and everybody knew it. He worked with Michael in the past and Michael never wore sunglasses while reharsing the dark like that, especially since Michael in the past would always want to see how the lights looked and for that reason did not like using shades. But he said "don't expect them to talk about it on tv of course, same with me, I won't and I can't." He said that at first everybody thought Michael was just eccentric and stuff, especially the dancers, they were just excited to see him, but he said for those who knew him for many years, including him, started realizing alarming signs.
However, he said, this just shows how vulnerable Michael was and he does not like how people associate this behavior with something negative. He said "he went through so much poor thing, I perfectly understand why this was happening." Oh and btw, he said that some of the crew members started checking TMZ with their IPHONES to find out whether or not Michael had seen Dr. Klein during the day. It would usually warn them on what to expect when he showed up.

-Michael had fun when performing, it appeared as if it was what he needed, however off stage Michael did no look happy, he rarely interacted with the crew, other than Karen Faye and at times with Michael Bush. According to this person, Michael stayed as far as he could from Ortega, Payne and Phillips off stage, because he always felt he was being chased by them to do more, perform more and give more. He said that the crew in general felt Ortega was being too demanding, especially when it was obvious nothing was ready on time. But they mostly felt Ortega was being pressured by Phillips, and that it was Phillips who was just going crazy because was in a position of losing everything with these shows.

-The day after the news came out that some fans claimed Michael told them he did not want to do 50 concerts, everyone was instructed not to talk to anybody from the media, not to let in anyone who was not authorized to attend reahrsals, especially fans. When Michael came in that day, the atmosphere was tense and he did not look happy at all. Before working that day, Phillips and Ortega met with Michael and, interestingly, with his bodyguards. They spoke for about 20 minutes, but once again this person could not hear what was being said. However everyone had the feeling Michael indeed did not want to do 50 shows and believed Michael did talk to those fans.


This is pretty much it. This guy said that it is a shame that Michael died while being extremely stressed out. He said that a lot of pressure was put on Michael, but the truth is that the concerts were not going to be ready not because of him, but because the there was simply not enough time to acocmplish all they had planned. He said he is sure Michael would have been 100% ready by July 13th, because "he did those songs hundreds of times before during his career, he knew exaclty what to do" but everything else around was not ready.
He also says he personally felt Michael sometimes did not show up because he knew things were moving slowly and sort of felt disappointed. He was a perfectionist, and when things were obviosuly not going in the right direction, he would get frustrated and sort of lose interest, instead of becoming upset at someone. Yet they made him believe it was him, that things were moving slowly because of him. But this person told me that Michael had nothing to do with all the technical stuff, like lightings, fireworks etc, therefore it was not his fault, but he was the easy target.

According to him, if the concerts were not goint to be ready, it would have been easier for AEG to blame it on Michael, than blame themsleves and their lack of timing skills.

Once again, do not ask me for his name, I will never tell, not even via PM. He was brutally honest with me and I will honor his request.

A lot of things make sense now, especially the concerts not being ready based on what we saw in the movie. No way in two weeks they were going to be ready. Also, he said, don't forget that a lot of days would have been lost during the move to London and setting up the stage there and get adjusted to the arena.


This is very sad, especially to think that Michael was somehow made feel responsible for this.


Source : Mrfuture@Kop Board



That is absolutely awful that they would have blamed Michael for anything that went wrong. Any wonder he hoaxed his death, he just needed to get away from it all
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Re: Important Clues from an Italian Forum
January 03, 2010, 04:52:13 PM
now i really hope he didnt pass it wold be a shame to know he went under all that stress and unhappiness...I can't believe that put all the responsibility on Mr. Jackson beacause Michael is such a nice person he would never lash out in a way so they threw it all at him... Michael i am deeply sorry for all the stress you have to go through just to please your fans...I feel selfish right now and i hope that you come back but if you dont i can completely understand and i hope you live the rest of your life out peacefully....


If he did come back cant he get sued BIG TIME by AEG and SONY liek hard core because he still didnt do the shows???..............LOVE YOU MORE MR.JACSKON
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