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AEG LIVE ON THE ROPES

  • on: June 14, 2013, 03:30:50 PM


It's pretty shocking ... but Katherine Jackson may have taken a giant step today in convincing a jury AEG Live was negligent in protecting Michael Jackson just days before his death.

AEG Live honcho Randy Phillips had trouble explaining to Katherine's lawyer why he thought MJ "looked really good" in a meeting 5 days before his death when a photograph taken a day before the meeting clearly showed otherwise.

The photo shows a smiling Jackson but someone who looked gaunt and pale.  On top of that, there is testimony that producer/director Kenny Ortega and others were alarmed over Jackson's health.

In the days preceding his death, Jackson had missed rehearsals and was sweating profusely.  He also seemed out of it.

As for how Phillips reconciled his statement with other evidence, he said, "I was confused as anybody."

Here's the deal ... This case was AEG's to lose.  AEG could have made it simple and just said they assumed MJ was being properly cared for by the doctor MJ handpicked.  But AEG has gotten a little too cute, painting a picture that the jury may not be buying.

Short story ... Propofol aside, if the jury believes AEG unreasonably pushed MJ like a circus animal, they could be in beaucoup trouble.

http://www.tmz.com/2013/06/14/michael-jackson-wrongful-death-trial-aeg-live-randy-phillips-photo/

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Re: AEG LIVE ON THE ROPES

  • on: June 14, 2013, 04:17:03 PM
"The photo shows a smiling Jackson but someone who looked gaunt and pale."

Do we know which photo they're referring to? It is supposed to be taken 6 days before 6/25.

"Short story ... Propofol aside, if the jury believes AEG unreasonably pushed MJ like a circus animal, they could be in beaucoup trouble."

It seems this is what Michael wants to show:  "AEG unreasonably pushed him like a circus animal ".........

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Re: AEG LIVE ON THE ROPES

  • on: June 14, 2013, 04:20:06 PM
"On The Ropes" is a phrase in Boxing, used when a Boxer is about to get knocked out and the fight is over. Hopefully this hoax is on the ropes (in a good way of course!)

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Re: AEG LIVE ON THE ROPES

  • on: June 14, 2013, 04:59:30 PM
I got the answer to my question from ABC7 Court News Tweets:

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 9m
This is MJ's picture from June 19, 2009. How do you think he looked? pic.twitter.com/PFO5ARZe5Z

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Re: AEG LIVE ON THE ROPES

  • on: June 14, 2013, 07:23:17 PM
"The photo shows a smiling Jackson but someone who looked gaunt and pale."

Do we know which photo they're referring to? It is supposed to be taken 6 days before 6/25.

"Short story ... Propofol aside, if the jury believes AEG unreasonably pushed MJ like a circus animal, they could be in beaucoup trouble."

It seems this is what Michael wants to show:  "AEG unreasonably pushed him like a circus animal ".........
taking a guess i would say the one where he is trying out one of the outfits. in a undershirt . i think we looked at it when they were at some point wondering about injection sites on the arms.
my question is how do you determine gaunt and pale on a guy who has always been skinny and has vitiligo ?
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Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

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Re: AEG LIVE ON THE ROPES

  • on: June 14, 2013, 07:44:40 PM
my question is how do you determine gaunt and pale on a guy who has always been skinny and has vitiligo ?

Good point.
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Re: AEG LIVE ON THE ROPES

  • on: June 14, 2013, 08:01:10 PM
This is what I said about RP a few weeks ago, lol.

 
An impression of this trial that I have so far, is that if AEG loses, it'll be because of Randy Phillips.

This is the photo they referred to:


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Re: AEG LIVE ON THE ROPES

  • on: June 14, 2013, 08:13:12 PM

I really still don't know about Randy Phillips.  

His testimony reads like he personally witnessed the conflicting reports we've read about MJ and that maybe at the time he didn't know there was a hoax.  He would almost have to be aware of it now, unless he's really thick.  So what he is saying is truthful to an extent, albeit ignorant to the true state of affairs at the time - which was the purpose.  But then there's the possibility too that Phillips is sticking to some sort of script or agreement.  But if this isn't just for purely entertainment purposes and you add a more serious aspect with AEG, Phillips just may not be the man on the inside, it could be Gongaware.  Or vice versa.  Or neither.  Or both.  :icon_lol:

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Re: AEG LIVE ON THE ROPES

  • on: June 14, 2013, 08:20:32 PM
This is what I said about RP a few weeks ago, lol.


An impression of this trial that I have so far, is that if AEG loses, it'll be because of Randy Phillips.

This is the photo they referred to:



really doesn't seem any skinnier than when he was younger. i think we did see him put on some weight over time and it changed perspective. since my husbands illness he is back to about what he was in high school , and it is a perfectly fine weight for him but it doesn't look the same to me because i have seen him weigh a little more. and by the way i am reminded how we saw jermaine looking much thinner recently than he did at the beginning.
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Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

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Re: AEG LIVE ON THE ROPES

  • on: June 14, 2013, 08:27:18 PM


The angle of that photo is deceiving.

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Re: AEG LIVE ON THE ROPES

  • on: June 14, 2013, 08:36:38 PM
I remember  was said at the beginning of the hoax  was not Mike in this photo but a double seriously ill.... :icon_rolleyes:


However, TMZ is continuing to talk about the trial   ;D
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Re: AEG LIVE ON THE ROPES

  • on: June 14, 2013, 09:14:10 PM
From Suspicious mind:

my question is how do you determine gaunt and pale on a guy who has always been skinny and has vitiligo ?

Exactly, after today's tweets and this photo coming up again,  I went back online and looked at so many old(er) photos of Michael to compare with this one.
It's hard to decide or make a conclusion since like you said he's always been skinny (except for in some photos where he looked like he had gained some weight).
Also, I think Randy Phillips is lying in court to cover his butt and AEG's, based on the tweets from ABC and AP, and how he keeps contradicting himself when Panish is asking him questions.  He seems to be very good at covering up his lies by making jokes, but it further proves that  he is not being truthful.  Again, this is just my opinion. 

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Re: AEG LIVE ON THE ROPES

  • on: June 14, 2013, 09:30:14 PM
From Suspicious mind:

my question is how do you determine gaunt and pale on a guy who has always been skinny and has vitiligo ?

Exactly, after today's tweets and this photo coming up again,  I went back online and looked at so many old(er) photos of Michael to compare with this one.
It's hard to decide or make a conclusion since like you said he's always been skinny (except for in some photos where he looked like he had gained some weight).
Also, I think Randy Phillips is lying in court to cover his butt and AEG's, based on the tweets from ABC and AP, and how he keeps contradicting himself when Panish is asking him questions.  He seems to be very good at covering up his lies by making jokes, but it further proves that  he is not being truthful.  Again, this is just my opinion. 


ah but didn't we catch michael doing this , at least once during the bashir thing when asked about blankets mother ?   it is just my impression but to me more than anything randy phillips just seems pissed .why? that is what i wanna know.
"I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be shrewd as serpents and as innocent as doves."  




Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

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Re: AEG LIVE ON THE ROPES

  • on: June 14, 2013, 09:33:35 PM
From Suspicious mind:

my question is how do you determine gaunt and pale on a guy who has always been skinny and has vitiligo ?

Exactly, after today's tweets and this photo coming up again,  I went back online and looked at so many old(er) photos of Michael to compare with this one.
It's hard to decide or make a conclusion since like you said he's always been skinny (except for in some photos where he looked like he had gained some weight).
Also, I think Randy Phillips is lying in court to cover his butt and AEG's, based on the tweets from ABC and AP, and how he keeps contradicting himself when Panish is asking him questions.  He seems to be very good at covering up his lies by making jokes, but it further proves that  he is not being truthful.  Again, this is just my opinion. 


ah but didn't we catch michael doing this , at least once during the bashir thing when asked about blankets mother ?   it is just my impression but to me more than anything randy phillips just seems pissed .why? that is what i wanna know.


You both make a good point.  If RP is covering his butt and is genuinely pissed off then it would be because he knows he's walked into a trap, a spiderweb.

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Re: AEG LIVE ON THE ROPES

  • on: June 14, 2013, 10:00:48 PM
I really still don't know about Randy Phillips. 

His testimony reads like he personally witnessed the conflicting reports we've read about MJ and that maybe at the time he didn't know there was a hoax.  He would almost have to be aware of it now, unless he's really thick.  So what he is saying is truthful to an extent, albeit ignorant to the true state of affairs at the time - which was the purpose.  But then there's the possibility too that Phillips is sticking to some sort of script or agreement.  But if this isn't just for purely entertainment purposes and you add a more serious aspect with AEG, Phillips just may not be the man on the inside, it could be Gongaware.  Or vice versa.  Or neither.  Or both.  :icon_lol:

haha Andrea - I share your confusion! I don't always get to follow the trial on Twitter because of the time differences...it's the middle of the night here....so usually I have to try to catch up the next day which sometimes is difficult time wise depending on what I have going on during the day.

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Re: AEG LIVE ON THE ROPES

  • on: June 14, 2013, 10:15:45 PM
This is what I said about RP a few weeks ago, lol.


An impression of this trial that I have so far, is that if AEG loses, it'll be because of Randy Phillips.

This is the photo they referred to:



really doesn't seem any skinnier than when he was younger. i think we did see him put on some weight over time and it changed perspective. since my husbands illness he is back to about what he was in high school , and it is a perfectly fine weight for him but it doesn't look the same to me because i have seen him weigh a little more. and by the way i am reminded how we saw jermaine looking much thinner recently than he did at the beginning.

this picture kind of brings me to something i have wondered about. who thinks that michael was really all that gung ho about the zaldy ideas for costumes and shoes ? somehow i can't see him going for all that stuff. what do you think. another i wonder about. what was supposed to make that light up suit work? anyone know. i still wonder from time to time how different things could be if he really died outside of the states.
"I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be shrewd as serpents and as innocent as doves."  




Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

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Re: AEG LIVE ON THE ROPES

  • on: June 14, 2013, 10:30:07 PM
From Suspicious mind:

my question is how do you determine gaunt and pale on a guy who has always been skinny and has vitiligo ?

Exactly, after today's tweets and this photo coming up again,  I went back online and looked at so many old(er) photos of Michael to compare with this one.
It's hard to decide or make a conclusion since like you said he's always been skinny (except for in some photos where he looked like he had gained some weight).
Also, I think Randy Phillips is lying in court to cover his butt and AEG's, based on the tweets from ABC and AP, and how he keeps contradicting himself when Panish is asking him questions.  He seems to be very good at covering up his lies by making jokes, but it further proves that  he is not being truthful.  Again, this is just my opinion. 


ah but didn't we catch michael doing this , at least once during the bashir thing when asked about blankets mother ?   it is just my impression but to me more than anything randy phillips just seems pissed .why? that is what i wanna know.


You both make a good point.  If RP is covering his butt and is genuinely pissed off then it would be because he knows he's walked into a trap, a spiderweb.

Yea, I think it may go back to the reason that because Randy and AEG are the big honchos in this trial, they are very powerful, with a big and powerful name behind them, he may be thinking how dare this "freak" put me in this position?  All of their lies, deceitful and controlling ways that they treat the artists are coming out during this trial, he may have thought that he would be above the law and not have to sit in court for 8 days answering incriminating questions....

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Re: AEG LIVE ON THE ROPES

  • on: June 14, 2013, 11:41:48 PM
In this photo we are seeing on this thread.......is he wearing the prayer beads that we later see on his bed scene? 
Just find it interesting...........

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Re: AEG LIVE ON THE ROPES

  • on: June 15, 2013, 12:03:08 AM
In this photo we are seeing on this thread.......is he wearing the prayer beads that we later see on his bed scene? 
Just find it interesting...........

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Just about to post the same thing about the prayer beads around his neck. 

Gaunt and pale....cheek bones more pronounced...rib cage showing...MJ has always been pale.  This (if it is true) is what MJ was always talking about before his prepares for a concert.  He told us many times "that touring makes him sick"  He can't eat, can't sleep and looses alot of weight before the shows....

Does any one know what the markings are on his T-shirt??  Its been on my mind for 4yrs now.

Is it  a code that we should be trying to decifer?????

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Re: AEG LIVE ON THE ROPES

  • on: June 15, 2013, 12:15:00 AM
And by the way, wasn't it just a recent post by someone who said that TMZ have not reported anything about the AEG trial????

Maybe they have read the forum lately....
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Re: AEG LIVE ON THE ROPES

  • on: June 15, 2013, 01:20:54 AM
In this photo we are seeing on this thread.......is he wearing the prayer beads that we later see on his bed scene? 
Just find it interesting...........

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Good spot, I guess both occasions needing God's blessing and protection for pulling this all off.
I'm thinking this T-shirt is another in the line of clothing that MJ's and Christian Audigier's company were going to sell (he said at least a 100 chosen by MJ at time of his 'death'), which might also include the white Ed Hardy T-shirt worn by C Murray as he entered the emergency doors on June 25. Tw Front has also tweeted a pic of himself in an Ed Hardy t.
Uploaded June 12 by LunaJo67, 

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnWH785Lx2o[/youtube]

I wonder could it be MJ's abstract art, or something from Leonardo Da Vinci.


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Re: AEG LIVE ON THE ROPES

  • on: June 15, 2013, 01:51:35 AM
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Short story ... Propofol aside, if the jury believes AEG unreasonably pushed MJ like a circus animal, they could be in beaucoup trouble.
Like a circus animal.. like a circus elephant?

MJ looks fine.
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Re: AEG LIVE ON THE ROPES

  • on: June 15, 2013, 02:38:05 AM
In this photo we are seeing on this thread.......is he wearing the prayer beads that we later see on his bed scene? 
Just find it interesting...........

Blessings
Good spot, I guess both occasions needing God's blessing and protection for pulling this all off.
I'm thinking this T-shirt is another in the line of clothing that MJ's and Christian Audigier's company were going to sell (he said at least a 100 chosen by MJ at time of his 'death'), which might also include the white Ed Hardy T-shirt worn by C Murray as he entered the emergency doors on June 25. Tw Front has also tweeted a pic of himself in an Ed Hardy t.
Uploaded June 12 by LunaJo67, 

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnWH785Lx2o[/youtube]

I wonder could it be MJ's abstract art, or something from Leonardo Da Vinci.
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I have wondered about that t-shirt from the first we saw it way back. It funny you mention DaVinci....it's the first thing that came to my mind.  However, I can't place it at all.  When we were seeing those photos of the aircraft hanger, with MJ's art (with Brent Livingstone)...I was intensely trying to find something that looked liked this shirt......for some reason I think it was drawn by MJ....but it could very well be another Ed Hardy thing, or Christian A's.....an odd viewpoint for sure.  Sort of reminds of that older video we saw of Michael in the dressing room/bus being dressing with I think Karen Faye?  I think it was the BAD era? 
Anyways...all good stuff for sure!

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Re: AEG LIVE ON THE ROPES

  • on: June 17, 2013, 05:07:33 AM
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Short story ... Propofol aside, if the jury believes AEG unreasonably pushed MJ like a circus animal, they could be in beaucoup trouble.
Like a circus animal.. like a circus elephant?

MJ looks fine.
I hear echoes of this and wonder if MJ intends this:
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John Merrick: I am not an elephant! I am not an animal! I am a human being! I am a man!
http://thehumanmarvels.com/145/joseph-merrick-the-elephant-man/deformity