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9/11 conspiracy theories
December 08, 2009, 04:14:29 PM


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Re: 9/11 conspiracy theories
December 09, 2009, 10:21:17 AM
Zeitgeist is also a good one, although i not agree with everything, i think it's a pretty interesting documentary...
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Re: 9/11 conspiracy theories
December 11, 2009, 10:16:39 PM
this is probly the biggest hoax ever... :x i was going to post a long ass respond but i changed my mind...
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Re: 9/11 conspiracy theories
December 11, 2009, 10:39:07 PM
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Zeitgeist is also a good one, although i not agree with everything, i think it's a pretty interesting documentary...

yes it is-also Alex Jones has several and he keeps having to re up hise site and youtube because they shut him down.
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Re: 9/11 conspiracy theories
December 12, 2009, 04:42:38 PM
Since the tragic events of 9/11 2001, Internet has been a hotbed of news, stories, urban legends or articles of opinion put in doubt the official version of the attacks on Washington and New York. However, as proposed by Chomsky in the definition of the propaganda that governs do most of the current media model, the debate not transcended the public perhaps slightly with the exception of France. In France the encouragement to number 1 of the controversial book by Thierry Meissan sales, the great deception, has created some public alarm and a barrage of replicas and contrarréplicas who has made the issue transcends the coffee get-togethers to prominent places in media such as Le Monde or C +.
In any case, questioning the modus operandi and own authorship of the fact that virtually everyone saw on television more or less live seems risky, although as brilliantly indicates Ignacio Ramonet in his essay the tyranny of the communication, television and other media by osmosis or addition seek only impact with the image of live to get to the heart or the sentimentality of the spectator. They are every day more manifestly incapable of deep analysis of the facts and have become mere belts enclosures press administrations or large corporations.

So things all saw with our own eyes what happened and almost simultaneously oimos thousands of official statements of condemnation, revulsion and "explanation" of the facts that have made us associate our minds both aspects of a same noticiable fact, ex ante, may or may not be directly related.

As explicitaba Fromm in his essay "Fear of freedom", fight against the prevailing, opinion although he has internalized that dogma of faith is, when fewer, laborious. Requires large doses of effort and copious amounts of time to collect, select, read and analyze tons of information that may help to form a strong opinion, well established in truthful pillars, more or less impolutos. But above all, our approach to the reality of an openly, freeing us from prejudices and ties created after decades of application of the prevailing propaganda model requires a mental attitude from Cartesian approaches, using the doubt continuously as a working method, modify in media.
The facts
We know that two aircraft collided against the twin towers of the World Trade Center, it is an indisputable fact that has been recorded by retinas million and will go down in the annals of history as one of the moments that made change the fate of the planet. We also know that, presumably, another aircraft struck a wing of the Pentagon and other fell in Pennsylvania in strange and contradictory circumstances.

It seems also demonstrated that a number of Arab citizens took flight classes and left a series of unavoidable tests his fiiación and intentions. In the Arab world fundamentalist, apart from some State, only the network to Al - Qaeda of Bin Laden had sufficient infrastructure to perpetrate some attacks of this nature, so suspicion turned from the first hours after the attacks against this organization and the country that sheltered, Afghanistan.

The cluster of evidence presented by Bush, Blair and other Western rulers, seems not to leave doubt as to the authorship of the facts, war is imminent. The outcome is well known. This country is destroyed once again, the civilian victims of this unequal war exceed more than those of the World Trade Center... but Osama Bin Laden and Mullah Omar remain alive and directing their position hatreds Western Christian.

North America lives terrified by the possibility and aftershocks of 9/11. When fear lapses, authorities are responsible for remembering the threat or the imminence of new attacks to residential buildings, financial centers, etc. The dreaded bacteriological war is present in the form of anthrax letters.
Americans accept gladly cuts to his civil rights for security. To the Patriot Act, whose name only would flush any European average, followed by a series of electronic espionage and ridiculous attempts to turn us into "a country of informers" in the words of the sociologist James Petras initiatives.

The testing, direct or circumstantial
But behind of so much evidence behind many questions, doubts and unfulfilled issues. In this situation is up to logical arising more varied assumptions that try to bridge gaps not covered by official releases. Briefly, the slip in the explanations of the Western spokesmen cluster relate to:
1. The prior knowledge of what would happen
The Arab press talked about since the early days that many people who worked at the towers not attended that day its labour centre. Specifically speaking of businesses or people of religion / Jewish nationality. In the mentidero Internet news of a diplomatic conflict with agents of the Mossad were expelled silently North America accused of espionage shortly after the attacks was repeated until the satiety. As details have been knowing, other publications speak of up to 5 secret services were aware of what was going to happen. Leaving aside the veracity of these hardly contratables information face an undeniable fact. From early hours on black Tuesday, soldiers remained wagered on the roofs of the naval base of Rota completely placed into combat. Spanish civil staff was invited to leave sensitive base areas as picked up the local press and noticed personally from direct witnesses. It is clear that something - or all - knew. If you were aware because they were advised or because they were a conspiracy within the establishment, that is already another singing.

2. The movements of troops prior to September 11
The decision to invade Afghanistan was much that was already taken. According to a report by the oil company Unocal, needed a "friend" Government in the area for that with the necessary stability, facilitate the construction of the pipeline which evacuaría oil reserves of Asia minor, the second in importance of the planet. The months prior to the attacks, Egypt and the Arabian Sea were stage a display of several tens of thousands man of NATO and the United Kingdom. Everything was arose. The Taliban attempted to negotiate with the US desperate its appreciation for the pipeline. But it was too late, the military machinery was nearing in the summer of 2001.
3. The stock movientos
The pearls wine 9 / 11 to cover up the hole of the technology bubble and the same entry in a more or less deep recessive cycle. Largely, blamed Bin Laden the global economic crisis. But nothing could be further from reality, thanks to the attacks might well begin to trace the recession by an excessive increase in American public spending. It is clear that this is not consolidate the precarious state of well-being of the USA, but to increase military expenditure and derivatives of the internal control of their society. Dangerous policy where they exist because Europe, which already exceeded US GDP and refuses to enter the game considered finished after the end of the cold war.

Really suspicious is that few days before the attack powerful and many investors left always safe values of insurers and reinsurers and carriers, migrating their capitals towards armament and especially oil companies. The volume of transactions has been so high that many voices believe that fraudulent events are hedges high-level financial transactions. Most purchases and sales came from an investment company chaired until recently by an adviser to the director of the CIA. The thing is still complicated, especially when it is public and notorious Bin Laden and his people had blocked their accounts since 1998.
4. The authorship of the facts
Within a few hours - minutes according to some of flight instructors of the bombers - tragic events and without a tangible evidence that supported the previously dictated verdict, was made quickly a guilty targeting all rabies generated by the deaths of innocent people in the attacks. Then search the evidence needed to make public opinion not strives to enforce the apriorísticamente dictated verdict attempts have been really pathetic. The dance evidentiary reporting that cannot be displayed by affecting the national security of the United States are only reviewed by the best and incontrovertible allied foreign policy of the Empire, has scratched the pure histrionismo. Promised reports that never saw the light tried to silence with famous videos of Osama Bin Laden group. Dubious interpretation, some of them even impossible hearing true experts in psicofonías of the American Government supported on technologies of last generation, unveiled that nobody was more able to hear: the final confession of the accused in the final act of the war in Afghanistan.

But even assuming the authorship of Bin Laden, as evidenced by the last of the videos published during the splendour of the 1 anniversary, there are many gaps on the executioners of the attacks. It seems absurd to raise how someone with little flight hours and some partiditas in computer simulators capable of scoring goals with so much and deadly precision. Eight months later, in a laudable attempt of patching the official version, pointed that Mohamed Atta, the leader of the bombers was previously in the twin towers and stated goal with a GPS whose coordinates - once corrected in their deviations - were introduced in the aircraft autopilots. Other recent versions even targeting the use of beacon activated same the WTC towers to illuminate the goal. What is clear is that any serious analyst can already believe in the effectiveness of a novice pilots managed first apparatus such.
The tracks left by the alleged perpetrators are less than esperpénticas. The suitcases of Atta in an unlikely prior to the final flight, a manual passenger parking, some Koranic prayers blatantly fake for pre-deployment suicide hours... and an impeccable passport that miraculously saved from the flames in a fire and subsequent landslides where almost nothing remains recognizable, even the black boxes aircraft cockpits transshipment (what?)

But Atta nor gives a suicide integrista profile, frequented bars and cabarets and drank alcohol. Nothing comparable to a bearded classic. His past as agent of the ISI, the Pakistani secret service and genuine branch of the CIA in the area presupposes that you had (or have?) contacts with the American Government who received huge amounts of money pipes months before the attacks.

From the list provided by the FBI, several of his companions who were allegedly hijacked airplanes have stated on the Internet that are still alive in Saudi Arabia, something which has been endorsed by the Government without that subsequent denials are known. What hijackers, decoys, man of straw, or simply virtual assassins?. The Association of victims of the bombings had accused the Saudi Government, which considered that it is impossible to Osama work without the support of a strong State that support. From the "tecnificadas" caves of Tora Bora, those who never showed us except in magnificent virtual infographics, a handful of desarrapados could not be directed as This savagery
.5 Damage
For reasons of extension, is impossible here go into depth about the backlog of doubts that give rise to reactions of the buildings affected after shocks. Briefly can summarized in:

· An aircraft aluminum and carbon fiber can not cross as its outside butter steel, is pure physics. Even wings penetrated deeply into the building, which questioned architects, firefighters and structures and resistance of materials experts.

· The hypothesis that an aircraft perforara 3 rings of buildings of the Pentagon, is melted and evaporara without leaving any trace is pure nonsense. Lie, lie, lie. Some non-scientists probe made online shed distrust version data what has happened in the Pentagon officer is not accepted by almost 80 % of Spaniards. Go through 3 belts of anti-aircraft batteries without suffering any damage isn't credible by someone with some common sense. If the damage in photographs provided by the US Army, prior to the collapse initial drilling was slightly larger than a garage door. The wings, they slipped to the kitchen in the WTC towers or trail of their effects on the building.

· The fall of the Tower VII appended to the twins and a vital base for the CIA in its activities of economic espionage is also full of mystery. Numerous witnesses claim to have seen a strong fire on the ground occupied by the intelligence moments before the attributable collapse an explosion, which initially seemed to hear equally before the collapse of the WTC first tower
6. The background
Practically in all conflicts where the United States has participated in recent history have been triggered after an action of dubious origin. Blasting the Maine in the Spanish-American war or attacks in ton Kin Bay in the Vietnam war are the most paradigmatic, although shadows affect many more, including World War II. Amazed declassified and published the Northwood, plan that planned to invade Cuba using as a pretext an Castro attack on a u.s. civil building with an aircraft previously "abducted" that, during the flight is replaced by one soldier directed by remote control of similar characteristics with the same signal Locator for radar. Today, from the technical point of view, this solution would be somewhat easier to perform.
7. The revenues
All trial of those that we have used Hollywood the theme of the circumstantial evidence always plays an important role in the outcome of this sleepy genre film consumption. Let's look at the benefits of the bombing where gone directed. The issue of the control of Asia minor and encircle Russia with military bases in former republics, isolating the routes of transport oil and gas deposits is not trivial. Nor is having more or less presentables pretexts to public opinion to finish by controlling Iraqi oil reserves and later in Libya or other, by the Soviet Union or France do so with their respective companies and lobbies.
For domestic consumption, lábil liberal democracy has been wound death worldwide. The enactment of the Patriotic Act in United States, the exceptions to the fulfilment of civil rights in the United Kingdom or Canada, the massive adoption of espionage to electronic messaging in the mail servers
or the blessing of all kinds of communications interceptions a more or less homogeneous model of social control fascistoide cutting and worldwide, desired by rulers tied to transnational corporations needing the docility

The verdict
What above, with serious suspicions that overfly where, denouncing the total lack of collaboration in the clarification of the facts that have been shown in the United States, denouncing the use daunting of 9/11 as means of controlling social domestic, denouncing their use continuously attacks to justify the invasion of countries and the theft of their resources... dare to condemn the American Government as not innocent of facts
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Re: 9/11 conspiracy theories
December 12, 2009, 04:51:52 PM
For on the day footage analysis watch this. There a several parts but well worth watching.

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Re: 9/11 conspiracy theories
December 16, 2009, 08:52:20 AM
i definitely think this was a conspiracy. if you've watched zeitgeist and loose change and all those others, they point out some very valid and indisputable proof that it was no terrorist attack. these days i'm not surprised by anything our government does. there's a lot of sick and twisted things that go on with them if you research it.
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Re: 9/11 conspiracy theories
December 16, 2009, 09:15:10 AM
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i definitely think this was a conspiracy. if you've watched zeitgeist and loose change and all those others, they point out some very valid and indisputable proof that it was no terrorist attack. these days i'm not surprised by anything our government does. there's a lot of sick and twisted things that go on with them if you research it.
agree!
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Re: 9/11 conspiracy theories
January 22, 2011, 05:04:53 PM
Just watched this film. It is pretty long, more than 2 hours, but at least for me lots of new stuff was put in here. Gives new facts and perspective.

[youtube:byf5u877]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKJ6BILOoCg[/youtube:byf5u877]
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Re: 9/11 conspiracy theories
January 22, 2011, 05:14:00 PM
Quote from: "ForstAMoon"
Just watched this film. It is pretty long, more than 2 hours, but at least for me lots of new stuff was put in here. Gives new facts and perspective.

[youtube:3vfefl9e]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKJ6BILOoCg[/youtube:3vfefl9e]
Reminder to watch later.
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