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Brainstorm Session - Building a theory
April 15, 2011, 07:39:45 PM

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Purpose is to built a strong theory by presenting our own, and having it challenged by the others. I made it private so that we can stay on topic and not have emotionally based arguments in the thread, what will make it hard to oversee things. I think we should use this thread to post the subjects we need to cover and connect.
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Re: Brainstorm Session - Building a theory
April 19, 2011, 09:52:38 PM
ok I think through this in a well-founded and supported by all evidence
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Re: Brainstorm Session - Building a theory
April 19, 2011, 09:52:46 PM
here

ps. should we do it TS style and do all one thread?

or perhaps have a thread mirroring the redirect.

that would be good.
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Re: Brainstorm Session - Building a theory
April 19, 2011, 09:54:13 PM
Exactly, connecting the dots and making it as waterproof as we can.
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Re: Brainstorm Session - Building a theory
April 19, 2011, 10:34:43 PM
Quote from: "bec"
here

ps. should we do it TS style and do all one thread?

or perhaps have a thread mirroring the redirect.

that would be good.

I think one should begin posting a short, coherent theory, with as much included as possible so that others can challenge, debunk or add stuff to it. After a few days, I will close the thread and post the updated version in a new one, and we do it all over again, until our brains are the size of a peanut. :lol:
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Re: Brainstorm Session - Building a theory
April 19, 2011, 11:14:27 PM
Hey guys and this should be fun...

One theory idea would work but I feel the most productive way to this is to critical think out each item in the hoax and debate its merit before moving on.

So as in my last TIAI post lets start there.

Question #1

Knowing what we know or think we do....

Could MJ pull off every aspect that we have seen with this hoax alone?


In essence this the beginning point as to where we are now.  Discounting numerology, predictions and messages in the clouds, could he do it all, successfully without help?

Once we have come to a conculsion on this question we move to next and build "our" theory.

When the answer of yes and no is decided, we move to next question of (say 911 call, ambo , body etc)  Tho holding strong to the question we have already answered.  Basically if we decide MJ needed help or not that outcome is what we work with going forward.  And as we build this "theory" each and every question we agree upon becomes "truth".  I believe in the end if we stick to the answers we decide we would/wil be close to what really happened.
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Re: Brainstorm Session - Building a theory
April 19, 2011, 11:16:04 PM
My 2 cents worth....lol..I think alot of our theories would overlap and connect.  If I gave you mine and let you rip it up fine.  But when bec does hers, we would probably rip some of the same things.  So instead of "ripping"(used lightly), I purpose we build it together.  That way as each item is discussed all opinions are given and seen and yet not "spread" all over the forum.  Example, I say corpse, we debate but bec later says dummy.  Well we already debated that point.  and it would eliminate redundancies.   anyways..............
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Re: Brainstorm Session - Building a theory
April 19, 2011, 11:29:08 PM
That might be a good start. Discussion 1: Could he have done it alone?

I will post that in a new thread to keep it clear and so we can find everything easily later on.
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Re: Brainstorm Session - Building a theory
April 19, 2011, 11:34:10 PM
Is only an idea, I'll go with whatever group decides....err souza...lol...regardless i believe every question we answer as a whole makes the next easier to figure out.
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Re: Brainstorm Session - Building a theory
April 19, 2011, 11:40:34 PM
I liked your post on tiai AIGT.

So in light of that, no, it's not realistically possible that he did this alone, ie without help from the authorities.

So ok, we have FBI. Which of all the govt departments, are most likely because they override everyone else. Well, except the CIA, but they're more international, working intelligence and all, so would be unlikely have an interest or stake in anything domestic like the death hoax (which is more or less, for all practical purposes, pretty isolated to the US).

So ok, so the FBI is involved. They would provide the means to keep it on the down low and prevent questions from being asked by any unaware but key players, example: helicopter guys.

So with the FBI on board, who does MJ really have to fool with the charade on 6/25? The media and the public. The media will fool the public on their own so really, all he has to fool is the media.

So if only the media need to be fooled, why bother with a real corpse? Or even a dummy for that matter.

But we saw something on 6/25 being loaded into and unloaded out of a helicopter.

So what was it? Doesn't matter really since we know it wasn't a dead MJ. And with the FBI on board, it could have been anything... it just had to look like a body from 100 yards away on camera.

That being said, if only the media needed to be fooled, and it's certainly not normal or usual to transport a body in a sheet, why did they decline the use of a body bag which would seem standard? Why draw attention this way?

Original theories were because Michael needed to breathe. I think there is a great deal of merit to our original work and this has always stuck in my mind.

Ps. my bad, I jumped in too fast. I can repost this elsewhere if you start another thread.
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Re: Brainstorm Session - Building a theory
April 19, 2011, 11:46:01 PM
lol...too funny...one question at a time...pro and cons...conclusion...next question with revised "theory"....haha..in other thread.  /wink
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Re: Brainstorm Session - Building a theory
April 19, 2011, 11:46:30 PM
yes please, could you repost?
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Re: Brainstorm Session - Building a theory
April 20, 2011, 12:12:29 AM
The sheet usage is odd. I'm just throwing this into the thinking. Perhaps a clue as 'sheet rocking' is slang term for hallucinogens like crack, pcp..and sheet is also a term used for bank notes or money. If this is also a sting operation then the 25th June is bait as well.
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Re: Brainstorm Session - Building a theory
April 20, 2011, 10:40:58 AM
The FBI, I think they are the allies pricipales they must have the necessary contacts to make such a thing work, paramedics, hospital, coroner.
 Michael need not have all those contacts they were responsible for making the whole process from the arrival of paramedics (someone saw that?), Transportation to the coroner, the rest, the dates (I can not forget the numbers) is the work of Michael.
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Re: Brainstorm Session - Building a theory
April 20, 2011, 11:27:55 AM
And what about the security video, really existed, we must remember the story published by TMZ on these tapes, Michael Jackson supposedly died in his home the police have the videos, they just copied 4 minutes of images from surveillance videos the house the day of his death. The video shows the arrival at Jackson's home from trials around 12:30 AM, do not review the tapes to not consider it a homicide, but have them deleted?? And see!!
 They did not have a minimum of curiosity, so I wonder if these tapes actually existed
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