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Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 06:51:09 AM
Hello everyone,
We discussed this in chat last night after discovering this image in a new hoax video.   After some research, the photo was linked to an EMT discussion forum - a poster named "Daphne" asked the EMT's if the ambulance looked to be an older or new one based on the photo.

At first we thought..hmm...is this the undiscovered "original" photo, or did "Daphne" photoshop the face to disguise MJ when posting.

Since it caused quite a stir in chat I wanted to open this up to all of the investigators on here.  I've tried to PM "Daphne" to inquire about the photo...
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Here is a screen shot and web address of the message board this was found on (you have to register on the site to view the post "live")


I tried to compare this photo with an existing ambulance photo I had, but the photo I had wasn't the same exact photo (not as much of the background is visible).  If anyone has an exact match of the equivalent photo with MJ, please post. Scroll to see both pics...


So one of these photos is a photoshop... which one?   The new one is either a photoshop or an old man...
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 07:08:09 AM
That is so strange, it is exactly the same picture from what I can see, apart from the face.  It looks like the face is turned to the side, as u can still see the long black hair and what looks to be an ear.. but it is blurry?!  If it hasn't been blurred on purpose, then there is something really strange about it.... as even if it was just another shot (a new pic) from that day, surely everything around MJ (like the paramedics, their arms, bodies etc.) would be in a slightly different position too, as well as his face??

Edit: After a second look, I can't decide if the new pic 'man' actually has hair or if he is bald??  Is it a possibility that this is infact the original photo.. and it was photoshopped to hide the baldness, and a clearer image of MJ's face was put on to better prove it's him?? :?:
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 07:19:36 AM
Sorry but that is the SAME picture, It is almost impossible to duplicate arms being in the exact same position , gloves, distance covering monitors in ambulance etc!!!! In my opinion this is THE SAME picture without a doubt...
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 07:21:55 AM
Maybe it was never MJ in the ambulance pic but they took this photo of a random person and photoshopped it to be MJ....
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 07:43:17 AM
the same, IMO... look to the reflexion of the red car on the widow pane, the position of the paramedics. still, which one is real and which one is photoshoped ? hard to say. Remember the picture of J.F.Kennedy on the boat posted recently by TMZ ? some expert could not confirm if it s fake or not, and it was a fake . (or , did they really consult some experts, we never know, it s TMZ).
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 07:52:22 AM
The fact on the forum the OP was referring to are debating if its an old ambulance i would say that is the original picture and MJs is photoshopped over that original.. If we can prove that the ambulance in question is an older style and if they are still in use in LA or if the registration matches the age of that vehicle i think we will be ahead in our investigation. Its worth looking into i just wouldnt know where to start!!!
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 07:53:58 AM
That's indeed the same picture, but it looks like someone photoshopped MJ into that body. Because that person there looks nothing alike him.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 08:38:58 AM
At first I thought it was just a blurred image of the photo we know, but it does look like a bald older man with his head turned to the side.. but then where would this person get this photo?

Is there an "MJ" photo out there that has all of the background info on the right side with the monitors that this one has?

very strange...
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 08:41:04 AM
IMO...everything is same, but the face....how can the face be side wards, but the breath tube is in the exact same spot..I think the put MJ face on to it..
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 08:45:22 AM
Strange indeed.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 08:46:52 AM
is this the "old man" that the paramedics are quoted as working on?
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 09:15:04 AM
That looks like MJs closed right eye at the edge of the face just below the paramedicsbaby finger knuckle.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 09:23:35 AM
Quote from: "pants"
That looks like MJs closed right eye at the edge of the face just below the paramedicsbaby finger knuckle.

do you think it is him w/o the wig with the head turned?
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 09:33:25 AM
I don't know what to think.Do you think that looks like his closed eye though?
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 09:36:53 AM



to me it looks like the first is much better quality
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 09:40:58 AM
Yes,it looks like some kind of colour enhancement or flash has made the colours a little odd on the 2nd one.Look at the colours of the arms-they're yellow
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 09:45:38 AM
but then on the other hand, in the new photo, the image of the red car blocks less of the photo underneath allowing it to show through better.   this is so odd!!
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 09:49:49 AM
Anyone could have blurred that photo, I think both of the pics are fake and fabricated.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 09:52:55 AM
I wonder,that as the camera was an expensive & professional one(anywhere between £750-£1300 ( there was a post about the camera used on this forum or another),there were various settings which give various results of the same photo-does that make sense?
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 09:55:00 AM
IT IS THE SAME PICTURE..but is it michael? can any one blow this up more???
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 10:00:47 AM
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is this the "old man" that the paramedics are quoted as working on?

That was my 1st thought.. playing devils advocate here (trying to see from both sides of the argument) IF Michael did really die that day.. what if it was true about him being bald underneath his wigs.. and that this new photo is infact the original photo that was taken that day?  That would explain the paramedics claim that they didn't recognise him and thought it was just an bald, older man.  It would also explain why we are so sure that the ambulance photo that was all over the press, was photoshopped somehow?  Is it possible that the guy who took the photo, realised MJ's face wasn't very clear, so edited it to make it more obvious?
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 10:01:30 AM
I've found 2 differences in the 2 photos and have circled them. I can't explain what's going on with the face yet, but it's not consistent with the ambo pic we're all familiar with.  ;)

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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 10:02:53 AM
I dont get it :roll:

It's the same picture ony photoshopped :roll: so what is the big deal here??
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 10:03:36 AM
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I've found 2 differences in the 2 photos and have circled them. I can't explain what's going on with the face yet, but it's not consistent with the ambo pic we're all familiar with.  ;)



There are 2 ambulance photos so :roll:
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 10:05:39 AM
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There are 2 ambulance photos so :roll:
So?? Why don't you go do something more useful while people who are curious speculate.  :roll:
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 10:13:12 AM
idk i think this is the same photo and someone lightened up and maybe used eraser on photoshop to f@#k with us :evil:
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 10:27:31 AM
after seeing the red circled parts it looks like it was two photos perhaps shot one after the other..
whether the bald and turned head is the real one or if either of these photos is real is the mystery here.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 11:02:54 AM
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I've found 2 differences in the 2 photos and have circled them. I can't explain what's going on with the face yet, but it's not consistent with the ambo pic we're all familiar with.  ;)



There are 2 ambulance photos so :roll:

Nop . it s just 2 different levels of contrast . In the first one too low , in the second one too high.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 11:12:14 AM
i think the 2nd one is fake!! the face is weird and like someone said the tube is going into his neck or under his chin.. someone is causing a stir for attention i think.. cos thing have gone quiet for a while!! :shock:
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 11:17:46 AM
or that poster on the EMT forum distorted the face in order for the EMTs to answer the question on the age of the ambulance without being obvious that they were asking about the MJ photo?  

Even the photo we are familiar with is odd because the breathing device is on his chin/mouth instead of covering the nose and mouth.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 11:20:06 AM
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Nop . it s just 2 different levels of contrast . In the first one too low , in the second one too high.
I'm sorry, but you are wrong. Look at the blue areas I circled again. Adjusting contrast wouldn't add or remove areas like that. I can prove it by over contrasting the more familiar photo, but there's no need. I've already pointed out the areas of difference. The paramedic on the right side is leaning further to his right. Look again.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 11:21:26 AM
@SeeingClues

thats a good point about the breathing equipment..its never looked in the right place!! and i never thought about them just checking the age of the ambulance so for a bit of respect they could have blurred his face out to check... ooo good find if this is the case.. rather strange to be questioning it now tho isn't it!!
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 11:27:58 AM
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@SeeingClues

thats a good point about the breathing equipment..its never looked in the right place!! and i never thought about them just checking the age of the ambulance so for a bit of respect they could have blurred his face out to check... ooo good find if this is the case.. rather strange to be questioning it now tho isn't it!!

I have a comparison between the "proper" way to do CPR and MJ's CPR in this article on my blog:
http://seeingclues.blogspot.com/2009/11 ... s-cpr.html

You can see how the breathing apparatus is supposed to be positioned.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 11:33:32 AM
thanks for the link!! i've said this from the beginning!! it was odd where the tube was placed.. your picture just confirms it..  :shock:
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 12:02:44 PM
u know what .... i think the second photo is fake.  for me , it s more obvious than in the original one .
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 12:08:37 PM
I remember someone saying the ambulance equipment looked old.

Interesting day for them to upload this Behind the scenes LAFD Rescue Ambulance video  ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A09tRR6ppKQ
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 12:23:00 PM
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I remember someone saying the ambulance equipment looked old.

Interesting day for them to upload this Behind the scenes LAFD Rescue Ambulance video  ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A09tRR6ppKQ
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Ok look at this video look at the guy in blue Paramedic outfit zoom in and look at his sideburns he has the same hair as MJ had in "You are not alone" video Did MJ do a switcheroo in the ambulance??? I never noticed this before maybe i am going mad but thought i would see what you all thought
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 12:40:07 PM
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I remember someone saying the ambulance equipment looked old.

Interesting day for them to upload this Behind the scenes LAFD Rescue Ambulance video  ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A09tRR6ppKQ
:o  :o  :o JUNE 25th!!!!!!
And it's in HD. Wonder if Kenny directed that too.  :lol:

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Ok look at this video look at the guy in blue Paramedic outfit zoom in and look at his sideburns he has the same hair as MJ had in "You are not alone" video Did MJ do a switcheroo in the ambulance??? I never noticed this before maybe i am going mad but thought i would see what you all thought
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcItuK2KrmA&feature=fvw
:lol: Rick Astley!! But I see what you mean!  :shock: Wouldn't it be hilarious if that was Michael pushing an empty trolley into the UCLA lol!!!
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 12:43:18 PM
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I've found 2 differences in the 2 photos and have circled them. I can't explain what's going on with the face yet, but it's not consistent with the ambo pic we're all familiar with.  ;)



There are 2 ambulance photos so :roll:

Nop . it s just 2 different levels of contrast . In the first one too low , in the second one too high.

That's not what i ment ;)  there are 2 ambulance pictures ;)
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 12:58:07 PM
It is NOT contrast. I've altered the contrast on the more familiar pic and resized them to be close to equal. Find the 7 differences. Anyone saying there isn't a difference now needs their eyes checked ASAP.  :roll:
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 01:02:59 PM
the second one looks very fake to me like they have just added a sie on face . I t gave me a shock at first though
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 01:08:30 PM
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the second one looks very fake to me like they have just added a sie on face . I t gave me a shock at first though

If the new one is fake/photoshopped, then we need to find the MJ one that is identical except for the face.. the new one shows more of the inside of the ambulance on the right side...
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 01:15:40 PM
wow i dont know what to think about this pic
it just makes me think of the ambulance drivers not being able to recognize mj
that he was old, frail , and bald
and thats what we see in this pic, i just dont know what to think :o
did anyone find out if this is a older ambulance it sure looks outdated
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 01:20:32 PM
I knew there were at least 2 pictures, supposedly taken from outside the ambulance, probably a split of a second apart, because there are some slight differences: (notice the distance between the knee of the EMT and Michael's head)





I'm sorry I couldn't find the whole pictures, just these cropped ones.

In my opinion, this "new" picture, with the blured face, is an edit of one of these 2(or more) existing ambulance pictures. I guess this is why we found those differences in the back. Maybe we should compare this "new" one with all known ambulance photos, and we'll find the one with the identical background..if it's of any help...

But why would somebody do this?
Beats me...
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 01:21:52 PM
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wow i dont know what to think about this pic
it just makes me think of the ambulance drivers not being able to recognize mj
that he was old, frail , and bald
and thats what we see in this pic, i just dont know what to think :o
did anyone find out if this is a older ambulance it sure looks outdated

on the EMT forum, the responses were that it was a newer ambulance.   This is a forum where EMT's/paramedics talk and discuss topics of interest.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 01:25:28 PM
very weird. I think Melzy777 just proved they are two different photos. I guess the member of that forum just blured the second pic without knowing that she/he found a diff pic? Talk about coincidence hun?
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 01:27:06 PM
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I remember someone saying the ambulance equipment looked old.

Interesting day for them to upload this Behind the scenes LAFD Rescue Ambulance video  ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A09tRR6ppKQ
:o  :o  :o JUNE 25th!!!!!!
Ok look at this video look at the guy in blue Paramedic outfit zoom in and look at his sideburns he has the same hair as MJ had in "You are not alone" video Did MJ do a switcheroo in the ambulance??? I never noticed this before maybe i am going mad but thought i would see what you all thought
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcItuK2KrmA&feature=fvw
I'd already noticed that this paramedic has a resemblance to Michael, but I thought it was just me.   :?

I don't know what to make of the "new" ambulance picture. I don't think it's a man with his head turned, because the equipment stays at the same place. To be honest I don't see a man with his head turned to the side. All I can see is a blurry image... :?:

EDIT: itsall4love, I think you're right: the "new" pic seems to be the ambulance pic that someone edited, but why?
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 01:33:21 PM
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wow i dont know what to think about this pic
it just makes me think of the ambulance drivers not being able to recognize mj
that he was old, frail , and bald
and thats what we see in this pic, i just dont know what to think :o
did anyone find out if this is a older ambulance it sure looks outdated

on the EMT forum, the responses were that it was a newer ambulance.   This is a forum where EMT's/paramedics talk and discuss topics of interest.
it is a newer ambulance? Ohhhh no
I always thought that photo was photoshoped and one of the main reasons was the old aspect of the ambulance...
Did we just found proof of what happened? But is it the thing that we fear the most? Was it really Michael in there? :?
I need to think...
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 02:55:07 PM
Oke so the both pictures are clearly from slightly different positions... Wich would explain the couple of pictures Ben took... Just play the devils advocate ( :twisted: ) What if Michael really is dead, and he did look like a frail old man without his make-up and wig... Wouldn't you as a friend, being Ben in this case, want to make sure your friend looked nice in his last photo since you know how sensitive he is about his looks. You would like the puplic to remember him like he looked in his best days...(don't jump on me, playing devels advocate here.. :? )
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 02:57:04 PM
It could still have been MJ in the ambulance but pretending to be dead or unconscious.  Personally, I still think the photo is fake.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 03:01:26 PM
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Oke so the both pictures are clearly from slightly different positions... Wich would explain the couple of pictures Ben took... Just play the devils advocate ( :twisted: ) What if Michael really is dead, and he did look like a frail old man without his make-up and wig... Wouldn't you as a friend, being Ben in this case, want to make sure your friend looked nice in his last photo since you know how sensitive he is about his looks. You would like the puplic to remember him like he looked in his best days...(don't jump on me, playing devels advocate here.. :? )

Hmm I see what you mean by that.. BUT (there's always a but  :D ) considering the "new" picture is in worse quality overall, its colors have been altered and the head really seems blured on purpose, I don't believe it could be an original photo.
You do make sense with what you're saying about Ben wanting to deliver a respectable last picture of his friend. But  :D
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 03:02:36 PM
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to me it looks like the first is much better quality

Ok.. this is really odd and has blown me away to be honest.

Look at the red car position in the two photographs,  ITS DIFFERENT.  I cant do that circling thing that you do.. but look at the position of the cars headlight in comparison to the paramedics legs.. they are DIFFERENT in the two photos.

Definitely two different photos with subtle differences.
Maybe they were shot within nano-seconds of each other which explains the subtle differences...  but i cant decide if the face is to the side or if it has been blurred.  If the face is to the side i cannot see why they would have the breathing apparatus on the side of his head.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 03:16:35 PM
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Oke so the both pictures are clearly from slightly different positions... Wich would explain the couple of pictures Ben took... Just play the devils advocate ( :twisted: ) What if Michael really is dead, and he did look like a frail old man without his make-up and wig... Wouldn't you as a friend, being Ben in this case, want to make sure your friend looked nice in his last photo since you know how sensitive he is about his looks. You would like the puplic to remember him like he looked in his best days...(don't jump on me, playing devels advocate here.. :? )


or the first picture could be MJ getting into position.. and by the 2nd he'd turned his head to where it should be!!  :shock:
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 03:19:51 PM
@lisap.. i dont think that is plausable as they would have had to turn his head in a nanosecond.. almost everything is the same but subtle differences.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 03:20:59 PM
LOOK AT THE RED CAR GUYS.. LOOK AT THE HEADLIGHTS POSITION..  DIFFERENT!!
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 03:26:52 PM
@DancingTheDream

yeh i know what your saying.. i wonder what it could be then.. they are clearly 2 different shots.. within a split second due to the slight movement of things..

i wonder why this picture has suddenly popped up now.. when we have been told for so long there was only one single photo.. i mean irrelevant of the quality it still a picture that says a thousand words!!  :shock:
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 03:43:11 PM
OK I can't make out the face at all??? I mean I see where the breathing tube is supposed to be in his mouth right..but then there is smudges..Where is the ear,nose and eyes??? I mean this pic has got me baffled. can someone enlarge or circle the face and point out the eyes, nose and  ears etc b/c that can be ANYONE in that photo..need some help here cause I feel like we need to make sure this isn't strong evidence he is gone.  :cry:
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 03:45:39 PM
what was the number on the ambulance??
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 03:47:58 PM
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Oke so the both pictures are clearly from slightly different positions... Wich would explain the couple of pictures Ben took... Just play the devils advocate ( :twisted: ) What if Michael really is dead, and he did look like a frail old man without his make-up and wig... Wouldn't you as a friend, being Ben in this case, want to make sure your friend looked nice in his last photo since you know how sensitive he is about his looks. You would like the puplic to remember him like he looked in his best days...(don't jump on me, playing devels advocate here.. :? )

Hmm I see what you mean by that.. BUT (there's always a but  :D ) considering the "new" picture is in worse quality overall, its colors have been altered and the head really seems blured on purpose, I don't believe it could be an original photo.
You do make sense with what you're saying about Ben wanting to deliver a respectable last picture of his friend. But  :D

LOL I know what you are sayin, there is always a HUGE buts.. one of those buts it the fact that Ben did not follow the ambulance to the hospital BUT  :D  went to the studio to check his pictures... If he was such a good friend he would atleas make sure his friend was oke...

I do not get the picure thing... from what I remember is that Ben said he took a couple of shots and one was clear enough...

The blurry one could very well be a photoshopped version of the "original" Ben Everstad photo that has been photo shopped...  About how the paramedics did not recocnize Michael, I don't understand he has the most famous face on the face of the earth how can you not know...
+ of course the roumers that Michael did have a prosthetic nose, which to me is clearly seen in the movie This is it. And some of the photos that were taken from him looking out his hotelroom window in London... These pictures clearly show he has different noses... But that a side even if he would have a prosthetic face i don't care, but what if Ben did retoch the photo and that is why we see pictures of the Liberian Girl theme all over... Just to let the public remember Michael in his "best" days and because he looks like that period in the ambulance picture...
I mean we all know Michael did not look like that at the O2...
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 03:49:08 PM
It is possible, as someone else mentioned, that it's the same ambulance photo, only "MJ's" face has been blurred so that the OP could get an answer about the ambulance, without being distracted by who is supposed to be in it. But I do agree with other posters who have circled things in the photos that don't match up. Don't forget also that there were photos taken by Ben AND Chris--still digital photos, and a still photo created from video (by Ben), that we know of.

In any case, here's a zoomed in photo of the blurry face in this photo:

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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 03:54:00 PM
The picture is kinda creepy. Looks like Michael had no eyebrows, and he was bald.. OR didn't have a face at all.. Seems like he didn't have a nose either..  :shock:

Maybe if he was dead, the autopsy was right.. Without nose and bald.. But they didn't said anything about eyebrows.. He looked kinda burn victim. I think it's fake, or there is two picture.. OMG.. Who leaked it then?

And no, I dont think it's real. Just creepy picture.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 03:57:52 PM
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That is so strange, it is exactly the same picture from what I can see, apart from the face.  It looks like the face is turned to the side, as u can still see the long black hair and what looks to be an ear.. but it is blurry?!  If it hasn't been blurred on purpose, then there is something really strange about it.... as even if it was just another shot (a new pic) from that day, surely everything around MJ (like the paramedics, their arms, bodies etc.) would be in a slightly different position too, as well as his face??

Edit: After a second look, I can't decide if the new pic 'man' actually has hair or if he is bald??  Is it a possibility that this is infact the original photo.. and it was photoshopped to hide the baldness, and a clearer image of MJ's face was put on to better prove it's him?? :?:


It could be. The picture seems to be taken in 1980 or 90's.. Not in 2009 with good paparazzi cams.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 04:01:12 PM
Also, here is a photo I made from a video that is the inside of the ambulance, only empty. It might be helpful for reference purposes.

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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 04:01:27 PM
thx to the OP for bringing this photo to all of our attention. I do agree it is definitely 2 photos, albeit very similar. I dunno what to think about it. If it is real (and I really hope it isn't) could it be true that he was missing his nose (i.e. wore a prosthetic one). ugh I hate to even say that! Could there be truth to the bald thing? And could that black area (that looks like part of the blur) be a shadow? Dunno what to think... hope it is not true :(
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 04:04:27 PM
Why is the "blurred" face got a big hole on the side of the head????
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 04:07:00 PM
Ok I can't circle but looking at the pic. Look at the paramedics hand in the shot that we can see Michaels face the pinky knuckle is right over the nose, In the smudged photo his hand is over the eyes and if you look at the proportions based on where his hand is..his eyes are too close to the breathing apparatus IMO. there is barely any space between the mouth and eyes, also on the side near the medics knee there is some hair in the blurry pic, I don't think we see hair in the clear pic either its the medics knee that looks like hair. All we see is side burn hair and his forehead (am I missing where his hair is clearly there and not cleary there in the other  :lol: ??)
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 04:10:53 PM
Quote from: "Doreen316"
thx to the OP for bringing this photo to all of our attention. I do agree it is definitely 2 photos, albeit very similar. I dunno what to think about it. If it is real (and I really hope it isn't) could it be true that he was missing his nose (i.e. wore a prosthetic one). ugh I hate to even say that! Could there be truth to the bald thing? And could that black area (that looks like part of the blur) be a shadow? Dunno what to think... hope it is not true :(

I wondered to if that was a shadow or a bruise. I agree that it's two different pictures, most likely like someone stated in succession.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 04:17:43 PM
It looks like his sideburns and what looks like a tiny bit of an ear (off the 1st photo we saw) has moved over to the middle of the face on the 2nd new photo.  Like has been said lots of times, we need to know if whoever posted this blurred it and distorted the face on purpose... if not, then it is really strange, because it's very unlikely that just his face would be blurred, but everything around it clear.  It's weird though, coz u can still see what was questioned to be a bulging vein in the centre of his forehead, on the new photo too?
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 04:22:13 PM
Is it my impression or does that person inside the new picture looks like a medical dummy.

Photos (I don't know how to put them directly)

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/03 ... -Dummy.jpg
http://www.medgadget.com/archives/img/mexico-robots.jpg
http://cache.io9.com/assets/images/io9/ ... ldummy.jpg
http://cache2.asset-cache.net/xc/913422 ... 0B0D811297

Maybe the took the pictures with a dummy and photoshopped MJ's face on top of it.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 04:23:19 PM
I just asked the poster (Daphne) from the EMT forum about that photo. I asked her where she got it and if she blurred out MJ's face or if it was already like that when she got it. Here is her reply:

Yes, it is a photo from MJ and I blurried out his face... I found it on Susiecats forum, dont know, if you know her... Im not there anymore.
D. :)
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 04:26:27 PM
Guys.. can someone help me out because the blurred picture is really freaking me out.  

Where are you guys seeing the facial features here?  CAn anyone circle them to show me???

And can someone please explain why there is what looks like a big hole on the side of the head??  That bit is really making me scared.. am i just not looking at it right? Please help.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 04:27:25 PM
Quote from: "Christiana"
I just asked the poster (Daphne) from the EMT forum about that photo. I asked her where she got it and if she blurred out MJ's face or if it was already like that when she got it. Here is her reply:

Yes, it is a photo from MJ and I blurried out his face... I found it on Susiecats forum, dont know, if you know her... Im not there anymore.
D. :)

Oh thank God for that.  I was beginnning to freak out.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 04:28:11 PM
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Guys.. can someone help me out because the blurred picture is really freaking me out.  

Where are you guys seeing the facial features here?  CAn anyone circle them to show me???

And can someone please explain why there is what looks like a big hole on the side of the head??  That bit is really making me scared.. am i just not looking at it right? Please help.

Read my post, directly above yours.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 04:30:09 PM
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Hello everyone,
We discussed this in chat last night after discovering this image in a new hoax video.   After some research, the photo was linked to an EMT discussion forum - a poster named "Daphne" asked the EMT's if the ambulance looked to be an older or new one based on the photo.

At first we thought..hmm...is this the undiscovered "original" photo, or did "Daphne" photoshop the face to disguise MJ when posting.

Since it caused quite a stir in chat I wanted to open this up to all of the investigators on here.  I've tried to PM "Daphne" to inquire about the photo...
[attachment=2:39bkx3ay]post-4784-125882324738.jpg[/attachment:39bkx3ay]

Here is a screen shot and web address of the message board this was found on (you have to register on the site to view the post "live")


I tried to compare this photo with an existing ambulance photo I had, but the photo I had wasn't the same exact photo (not as much of the background is visible).  If anyone has an exact match of the equivalent photo with MJ, please post. Scroll to see both pics...


So one of these photos is a photoshop... which one?   The new one is either a photoshop or an old man...

Well, OMG, how many photos are they going to shop to convince us that that is in fact Michael?  Seems someone is getting a bit disturbed with our investigative savvy.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 04:33:41 PM
@Christina.. does she have the original photo before she blurred the face??
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 04:34:07 PM
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is this the "old man" that the paramedics are quoted as working on?

That was my 1st thought.. playing devils advocate here (trying to see from both sides of the argument) IF Michael did really die that day.. what if it was true about him being bald underneath his wigs.. and that this new photo is infact the original photo that was taken that day?  That would explain the paramedics claim that they didn't recognise him and thought it was just an bald, older man.  It would also explain why we are so sure that the ambulance photo that was all over the press, was photoshopped somehow?  Is it possible that the guy who took the photo, realised MJ's face wasn't very clear, so edited it to make it more obvious?

They have had over 6 months now to fix up any kind of shot they needed to convince us that we are wrong.  I'm still not buying it.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 04:34:37 PM
Looks like that mystery is solved..  it was hitting hoax videos and hopefully it is now nipped in the bud before it spreads.

Still seems like there were two shots snapped in succession...Daphne just replied to me as well and I asked her if she had her original unsmudged photo.

All she had to do in her post was say she smudged the person for privacy...oh well....
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 04:45:38 PM
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thats a good point about the breathing equipment..its never looked in the right place!! and i never thought about them just checking the age of the ambulance so for a bit of respect they could have blurred his face out to check... ooo good find if this is the case.. rather strange to be questioning it now tho isn't it!!

I have a comparison between the "proper" way to do CPR and MJ's CPR in this article on my blog:
http://seeingclues.blogspot.com/2009/11 ... s-cpr.html

You can see how the breathing apparatus is supposed to be positioned.

You are right.  That was brought up during the first week after that photo surfaced.  A nurse informed us on another board that the apparatus was positioned incorrectly.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

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well im glad that mystery is solved i was about to have major freak out.  8-)
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 05:04:17 PM
Does this look like Mike entering hospital?
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 05:18:24 PM
Ok.....These appear to be two different pics. It does look like a bald man and the head has been turned, you can still see the sideburn and the left ear.......I know nothing about dead bodies, but I thought the body would be stiff????  If so, how was it turned??? :shock:  :shock:  :shock:
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 05:24:26 PM
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Does this look like Mike entering hospital?

Where should I see Mike? It's almost midnight where I am, so i'm a little sleepy  :lol:
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 05:35:02 PM
I have just realized this man appears not to have any tatoos on his head.  didn't the autopsy say he had tatoos on his head at the front by the hairline?  

Phew!  I was worried for a while there I thought maybe it was him
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 05:37:25 PM
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I have just realized this man appears not to have any tatoos on his head.  didn't the autopsy say he had tatoos on his head at the front by the hairline?  

Phew!  I was worried for a while there I thought maybe it was him

Any AUTOPSIES you have read are FAKE.  Even if MJ is dead, the autopsies that have been released are FAKE AND FALSE.  Made up lies.

How do i know??  When Britanny Murphey had hers leaked the LA Coroner immediately issued a statement and said they were investigating the leak and as to how TMZ got the info.

Whenever "leaks" about MJs were outed, the coroner always denied these were the truth and have never launched an investigation.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 06:28:42 PM
I noticed the guy pushing the stretcher, i just thought could that be Mike? In Blue Uniform.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 06:40:04 PM
Ben allegedly took 4 ambulance pictures which is now surfacing the net, you might just be comparing to the wrong one.

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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 06:45:51 PM
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I noticed the guy pushing the stretcher, i just thought could that be Mike? In Blue Uniform.

I see why you thought that, but his lower body isn't shaped that way :)
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 09:42:51 PM
Okay. I read all of your posts. This is really interesting. Did Daphne ever reply back whether she had the original unsmudged photo or not? I'm sure she does if she's the one who blurred the face. You probably already know this but I thought it was interesting. Last night while watching the Dangerous Live at Bucharest dvd, I think I saw Ben in the audience singing along to Heal The World. And also, we've seen several pics of Michael and Ben together.

So yeah, I do believe he would be the one to get the ambulance photo of Michael before anyone else. I even thought at one time that Michael chose him to be in on this. In fact, that may be true. Lol. I remember discussing it on the old forum. Here's the video.  

[youtube:39qyerb8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y95UQrBv8Do[/youtube:39qyerb8]

@5:45 I'm pretty sure that's him in 1992.

Here's the interview about the ambulance pic. ^_^
[youtube:39qyerb8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VR-HSc2aM4[/youtube:39qyerb8]

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there is always a HUGE buts.. one of those buts it the fact that Ben did not follow the ambulance to the hospital BUT :D went to the studio to check his pictures... If he was such a good friend he would atleas make sure his friend was oke...

Sounds like a plan. Lol.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 11:31:24 PM
Quote from: "Lizziebee"
Okay. I read all of your posts. This is really interesting. Did Daphne ever reply back whether she had the original unsmudged photo or not? I'm sure she does if she's the one who blurred the face.

Yes, she said she did blur/smudge the face and she got the image from another community:

http://mjfansinvestigatefakeddeath.lefora.com
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 05, 2010, 12:18:04 AM
I don't understand ????  If you have something this important to all of us, why in God's name would you blurr the picture?  NO damn sence to me.  This whole thing is gettting ridiculous.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 05, 2010, 12:49:54 AM
Yeah I wonder why she'd smudge out the face of an already published picture that has gone worldwide?  For privacy??? From what? The whole world has pretty much seen that pic after Michael's supposed death. It doesn't make any sense to me.

Can we get a copy of te untouched one she has?
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 05, 2010, 01:58:00 AM
From another forum :Exif data from this picture

Compression JPEG (old-style)
Date/Time Original 2009:11:21 16:14:48
1 month, 12 days, 18 hours, 51 minutes, 26 seconds ago
Exif Version 0210
Image Unique ID 72a6df30d2f259b522b42c85036cece3
Interoperability Index Unknown ( )
Interoperability Version 0100
Resolution 72 pixels/inch
Software Picasa 3.0
Thumbnail Length 7,357

So I guess it's photoshopped :)
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 05, 2010, 03:43:46 AM
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I don't understand ????  If you have something this important to all of us, why in God's name would you blurr the picture?  NO damn sence to me.  This whole thing is gettting ridiculous.

I didn't ask her that question. But, IMO, she did it for privacy and for objectivity. I mean, she posted that photo in an EMT forum, NOT a hoax forum. The best way to get an objective answer to her questions about the photo was to blur out the face. Otherwise, those members in that community would be like, "um, that's Michael Jackson, so yeah, the photo is recent...duh."  How else was she going to get an objective answer/opinion? To me, she was using practical investigative skills.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 05, 2010, 03:44:44 AM
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From another forum :Exif data from this picture

Compression JPEG (old-style)
Date/Time Original 2009:11:21 16:14:48
1 month, 12 days, 18 hours, 51 minutes, 26 seconds ago
Exif Version 0210
Image Unique ID 72a6df30d2f259b522b42c85036cece3
Interoperability Index Unknown ( )
Interoperability Version 0100
Resolution 72 pixels/inch
Software Picasa 3.0
Thumbnail Length 7,357

So I guess it's photoshopped :)

Yes, it's Shopped...she admitted she blurred the face out.
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Does this looks like Michael?..

  • on: January 05, 2010, 09:12:13 AM
I don't think so! Look at the nose and hair.. He is way to dark, even though he used make up to hide vitiligo spots.. Nose looks very different.. Give your thoughts.


And another picture a person here had, when Michael arrived the hospital.. Why did he hold a jacket which looked like the one from Billie Jean... Hmm.. Michael doesn't sleep with smooth criminal and billie jean cloths I guess..
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 05, 2010, 11:17:46 AM
Ok, so it might not  be him pushing stretcher, but all things should be investigated, who knows, maybe the smallest idea somebody has, will hold the biggest clue? People who are not looking for clues, would just assume thats a medic, but hey imagine if that was Mike, I feel like he is actually in front of our eyes all the time.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 05, 2010, 11:59:33 AM
i was just doodleing as you with some pictures an these are what i have messed with.. the original pic is the one where he's on his back in TII kicking his feet in the air.. picture is too big for me to upload.. and i've taken the refelction off the floor an turned it round to see if it looks like the ambulance dude!!

if anyone can do it better please do so... it a comparison sort of.. but blurry!! pfffff.. but i tried..
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 05, 2010, 12:45:11 PM
or what about this one...
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 05, 2010, 12:59:19 PM
IMO these two pics prove one more time that they were set up artificially.
Both are witnessing that somebody messed around with photoshop.

You will notice three different shadows of Michael's face in them which may happen if you don't erase photoshop layers properly before saving the picture file.

Take the first pic (the one we saw being published in print and in the web):
1) Left of the left arm of the emergency staff in the background - there is Michael with open mouth and closed eyes.

Second picture:
2) Left of the left arm of emergency staff there is Michael smiling with open mouth and closed eyes.
3) right of the background staff's belly there is Michael's face smiling, open eyes, directed to the left.

So someone was testing which of Michael's pictures would best fit into the ambulance picture.
We said that all the time.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 05, 2010, 01:32:43 PM
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Sorry but that is the SAME picture, It is almost impossible to duplicate arms being in the exact same position , gloves, distance covering monitors in ambulance etc!!!! In my opinion this is THE SAME picture without a doubt...
it's not the same pic as the example...look at the man holding the respirator bag...see the space where his fingers are?  Look at the pointer finger of his hand, on the second picture it has moved down a bit.  There are a series of 3, THREE ambulance photos going around. (the source has said this) This is because the camera took 3, THREE pictures in quick succession, So it's Three pictures about 1/2 a second apart.  She obviously chose to compare two photos from the set of three without realizing they were not the same exact two.  Any way, the picture looks smudged with photo-shop, the left eye and eyebrow.  She probably did this to get an opinion without the people she was asking thinking her crazy.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 05, 2010, 01:44:43 PM
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Does this look like Mike entering hospital?
yeh, with a fat butt and love handles...LOL!
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 05, 2010, 01:55:17 PM
That first picture posted here, and the one we saw first in the tabloid is not the same picture!!

It's impossible to move the arms and angle, I'm not a master within photoshop, but it's impossible.

There is two pictures, but they both might been photoshopped.. But it's not the same picture that is made into two different ones..

That one I posted is the ambulance picture turned around.. It doesnt look like MJ.
-When I read the tabloid at Cyprus once it came there with MJ's death, I was thinking..
That doesn't look like MJ at all, I turned around the tabloid.. And said.. No, he is way to dark and his nose.. The picture is fake. It is not Michael.. And I wasn't a fan of MJ at that time.. unfortunateley.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 05, 2010, 01:56:12 PM
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I have just realized this man appears not to have any tatoos on his head.  didn't the autopsy say he had tatoos on his head at the front by the hairline?  

Phew!  I was worried for a while there I thought maybe it was him
That is just what I was going to say we were told about the tattoo on Michael head this is not showing   thank god
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 05, 2010, 02:20:38 PM
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wow i dont know what to think about this pic
it just makes me think of the ambulance drivers not being able to recognize mj
that he was old, frail , and bald
and thats what we see in this pic, i just dont know what to think :o
did anyone find out if this is a older ambulance it sure looks outdated

on the EMT forum, the responses were that it was a newer ambulance.   This is a forum where EMT's/paramedics talk and discuss topics of interest.

i still find it hard to believe im still stuck on wondering if this is a picture involving a older ambulance , i know the EMT forum said it is newer but im not so sure
anyone live in the area that could go check out the ambulances they have. I know the ones we have here look alot different but i am on the east coast :)
i was searching for inside views on the ambulances and i came across this

we'd like to remind you that there is no need to be ill or injured to explore the inside of an LAFD ambulance. Simply stop by your Neighborhood Fire Station for a visit!
and here is the link to the website:

http://http://lafd.org/visit.htm
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 05, 2010, 02:28:27 PM
Didn't MJ own one himself?
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 05, 2010, 02:36:02 PM
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Didn't MJ own one himself?
a ambulance?
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 05, 2010, 02:37:22 PM
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Quote from: "Datroot"
Didn't MJ own one himself?
a ambulance?

Yes, either an ambulance or a fire engine
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 05, 2010, 02:47:30 PM
im not sure but it would be interesting if he did
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 05, 2010, 02:50:34 PM
I'm sure it was mentioned on the old forum - that MJ owned an ambulance/fire engine and that maybe was the reason there were two at his mansion that day.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 05, 2010, 02:51:59 PM
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Quote from: "icebluestarlight"
I have just realized this man appears not to have any tatoos on his head.  didn't the autopsy say he had tatoos on his head at the front by the hairline?  

Phew!  I was worried for a while there I thought maybe it was him
That is just what I was going to say we were told about the tattoo on Michael head this is not showing   thank god

I knew it wasn't MJ. My goodness when will they stop trying to convince this forum that MJ is dead? Why is this ambulance photo resurfacing in 2010? Also, according to Kenny Ortega MJ was excited about the upcoming venue and had a great rehearsal (June 24th)and was looking forward to a better one the following day. My question is how can he go from upbeat and healthy to an old, frail man in less than 24 hr period? I'll tell you how! Have someone else in his stead while he escapes. MJ is very much alive like I have said before. Keep the Faith!
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 05, 2010, 03:08:34 PM
Do you really believe he was tattooed on his forehead?
Come on, this is like the story that he did like to pee in a cup in front of people.

That was put out to media and by media on purpose!
To ridicule them and to leave other messages.

You didn't watch TMZ live when Arnie Klein was on and we were literally only waiting to hear from him about the lace on Michael's longjohns?

Laugh about it - that's the only way to handle this...

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It was all fake, the pics as well as all the cited documents that do NOT exist.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 05, 2010, 03:25:15 PM
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Quote from: "Leah-Kim"
Sorry but that is the SAME picture, It is almost impossible to duplicate arms being in the exact same position , gloves, distance covering monitors in ambulance etc!!!! In my opinion this is THE SAME picture without a doubt...
it's not the same pic as the example...look at the man holding the respirator bag...see the space where his fingers are?  Look at the pointer finger of his hand, on the second picture it has moved down a bit.  There are a series of 3, THREE ambulance photos going around. (the source has said this) This is because the camera took 3, THREE pictures in quick succession, So it's Three pictures about 1/2 a second apart.  She obviously chose to compare two photos from the set of three without realizing they were not the same exact two.  Any way, the picture looks smudged with photo-shop, the left eye and eyebrow.  She probably did this to get an opinion without the people she was asking thinking her crazy.
Ok, she did photoshop the picture, but does this mean, that it is Michael laying there, bald and loking kind of old ? :(  if it is, aww poor Michael :(
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 05, 2010, 03:36:34 PM
So.. does this woman have the original, unblurred picture then????
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 05, 2010, 03:42:57 PM
The original photos were claimed to have been shot by National Photo Group and namely Christopher Weiss, a partner (holding a paramedics licence btw) of Ben Evenstad.

If you want to know more, always check out the old MJKIT forum with search function, e.g. delivering these results:
http://mjkit.forumotion.net/search.foru ... lts=topics

There's the original EXIF data of the pictures, the time gap between taking the picture and ambulance leaving the gates etc etc.
And don't forget to check out for the at least two takes of the videos when the ambulance left the mansion.
Enjoy!

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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 06, 2010, 01:44:19 AM
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wow i dont know what to think about this pic
it just makes me think of the ambulance drivers not being able to recognize mj
that he was old, frail , and bald
and thats what we see in this pic, i just dont know what to think :o
did anyone find out if this is a older ambulance it sure looks outdated

on the EMT forum, the responses were that it was a newer ambulance.   This is a forum where EMT's/paramedics talk and discuss topics of interest.

i still find it hard to believe im still stuck on wondering if this is a picture involving a older ambulance , i know the EMT forum said it is newer but im not so sure
anyone live in the area that could go check out the ambulances they have. I know the ones we have here look alot different but i am on the east coast :)
i was searching for inside views on the ambulances and i came across this

we'd like to remind you that there is no need to be ill or injured to explore the inside of an LAFD ambulance. Simply stop by your Neighborhood Fire Station for a visit!
and here is the link to the website:

http://http://lafd.org/visit.htm

I've posted this before, a few times in varying places. This is a photo of the ambulance, empty, after June. It was on a video I saw months ago now. I made the image from the video.



IMO, the interior looks the same as the photos taken by Chris and Ben.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 06, 2010, 01:46:17 AM
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So.. does this woman have the original, unblurred picture then????

The photo that she posted on that forum she got from another forum. She just blurred it up to hide the face.

http://mjfansinvestigatefakeddeath.lefora.com
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 06, 2010, 01:50:03 AM
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The original photos were claimed to have been shot by National Photo Group and namely Christopher Weiss, a partner (holding a paramedics licence btw) of Ben Evenstad.

The single frame of the unconscious Jackson was taken by Chris Weiss, a staff photographer for the agency. The video image — a "split, split second" of the same moment — was grabbed by his boss, Ben Evenstad. Both have been sold to the celebrity news program, Entertainment Tonight, for an undisclosed amount. "Right now, we're well into six figures," Evenstad said last night.

http://www.theage.com.au/lifestyle/death-dash-a-jackpot-for-fast-photographers-20090626-czur.html
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 06, 2010, 02:57:28 AM
Alrighty then, I am TOTALLY confused now. :?  Are you all saying it IS Michael in the ambulance ? :cry:
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 06, 2010, 03:12:46 AM
I think it is Michael in the new picture, and the old one is photoshopped from the new one :(  But I hope somebody can proove it wrong.)
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 06, 2010, 03:17:18 AM
I just had a look at the new picture again, and there is a coulor difference in the skin, the face is much more white than the chest, can this be because the head is photoshopped on the body ?[attachment=0:2afhoi1v]original ambulance photo..jpg[/attachment:2afhoi1v]
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 06, 2010, 12:16:46 PM
I've posted this before, a few times in varying places. This is a photo of the ambulance, empty, after June. It was on a video I saw months ago now. I made the image from the video.



IMO, the interior looks the same as the photos taken by Chris and Ben.[/quote]

thanks never seen the pic before
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 06, 2010, 01:00:14 PM
So, is that or isn't that Michael in the ambulance picture? :?  I'm sure what to think, it's hard to tell since the picture is blurred. I can't look at the original picture on MJFansInvestigateFakedDeath.com because my membership needs an admins approval. Can someone please post it?  :?  :?  :?  :?
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 07, 2010, 12:49:31 PM
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They are two different photos taken within milliseconds of each other because of the subtle differences.

Look at the position of the car in the two.. i keep saying this and no-one listens.  Look at the position of the car headlight in relation to the paramedics legs.  Different.

Also.. MJ looks lighter skin tone.  Hmmm.. we sure these are photoshopped??   :?


I dont know what you are trying to say.. But I don't belive it was one single photo, editet into two different ones.. Because no one can fix angels and movements, as long you only have one picture..

But look at the picture.. As I said.. The body is darker than his face, and his face should be darker then..
Why is it a black line between his mouth and the mask.. Why is the mask like pushed inside his cheecks..
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 07, 2010, 01:23:50 PM
Don't think you're heading for a padded cell.
There's still more to it - read what has been identified already:

http://mjkit.forumotion.net/search.foru ... lts=topics

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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 07, 2010, 01:27:57 PM
What i am saying is this is a different picture than the one OK magazine published.  It was taken probably a second later or earlier due to the subtle differences.  The position of the red car is different.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 11, 2010, 05:30:05 PM
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to me it looks like the first is much better quality

It looks like the 2nd one was taken a split second after the first.. the car is further forwards...
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 11, 2010, 05:38:10 PM
At least that means that he wasent dead in the ambulance :?  If he moved his head..... but still :(
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 18, 2010, 12:47:54 PM
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Didn't MJ own one himself?
a ambulance?

Yes, either an ambulance or a fire engine

yeah both... he used to let the community borrow them in an emergency.  ;)
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 18, 2010, 03:12:48 PM
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His body seems darker than his face.. And his face should been darker because of the light..

Weird.

Hahaha.. Is it just me or does it seems like the face is 'cut & paste'? Look at the mouth.. a black line devorce the 'mask' and his face. The mask seems to just cover his mouth, then it kinda sinks in his cheecks.. I also wonder what is on his ear.. That kinda arrow thing ^

What about the discoloration being the lighting, because the ambulance personal look dark too.. and I assume they are just plain white guys LOL... But then again it is LA hmmmm
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 20, 2010, 06:15:49 PM
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Hello everyone,
We discussed this in chat last night after discovering this image in a new hoax video.   After some research, the photo was linked to an EMT discussion forum - a poster named "Daphne" asked the EMT's if the ambulance looked to be an older or new one based on the photo.

At first we thought..hmm...is this the undiscovered "original" photo, or did "Daphne" photoshop the face to disguise MJ when posting.

Since it caused quite a stir in chat I wanted to open this up to all of the investigators on here.  I've tried to PM "Daphne" to inquire about the photo...
[attachment=2:b0t66vas]post-4784-125882324738.jpg[/attachment:b0t66vas]

Here is a screen shot and web address of the message board this was found on (you have to register on the site to view the post "live")


I tried to compare this photo with an existing ambulance photo I had, but the photo I had wasn't the same exact photo (not as much of the background is visible).  If anyone has an exact match of the equivalent photo with MJ, please post. Scroll to see both pics...


So one of these photos is a photoshop... which one?   The new one is either a photoshop or an old man...

I've shown the  photo to my boyfriend ( he's a photoshop freak) and he immediately said "That photo is a fake! When you're good in photoshop then nobody would recognize that this photo is fake" So this old frail man can not be Michael. This pic can't be real because the Oxygen maske doesn't fit.....On that picutre it looks like his face is turned to the right side, with eyes closed, without wig etc. But then, the oxygen mask would be set on the chin? It's totally  fake, the angle doesnn't fit and the hands of the paramedic doing CPR would push on the neck...so FAKE!!!
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 22, 2010, 03:59:21 AM
I'm sorry but has anyone ever thought about this:

His chest is visible, his head, his neck, wouldn't we be able to see Vitiligo spots?
No offence, but I guess they didn't had the time to do his makeup FIRST then take him to the hospital SECOND?...

Just a thought..

Also the second ambulance picture does look like a fake to me, or maybe it's a "double shot" you know? when you've made some pictures with a disposable camera, sometimes the images are over eachother? otherwise that second picture doesn't make sense to me, since the breahting tube (which I also have my doubts about) shouldn't be in someone neck! And when someone turns their head with a breathing tube in his or her throat, shouldn't the breathing tube also turn to the side a little bit?

(About the breahting tube: is there really even one?, to me it seems like the shelf of one but I don't see a real TUBE? it even almost looks like the ambulance man's finger is going TRHU the "breathing tube" or is it just me?  :lol:  )
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 22, 2010, 04:27:08 AM
ok i have 2 ideas from this...one as if michael were alive and the other as if michael was really dead
ok if MJ is dead...Maybe they blurred out the picture for privacy issues...who knows maybe the family requested it...im not quite sure but MAYBE there is that SMALL chance...
But if he were really alive i got a CRAZY idea...ok pay attention closely because i dont know if i will be able to make sense...WHAT IF the picture with the blurry face is one that ( the photographer) picked because he saw it on the emt forum and wAS like perfect!! it looks similiar to MJs body build...i think i can work with this and then he simply stuck a picture of MJ's face on there which explains the misplacement of the breathing instruments and all that stuff who knows heehee...but MAYBE they saw that picture and used it to photoshop MJ into it because it did look similiar to MJs body build...Im just saying because MJs skin looked quite healthy in that pic for him supposely being dead for a few hours before actually having 911 called who knows?? you never know and we may never know...hmm....i wonder for the blurr because i tried adjusting the blurred picture and everything to see if maybe it was just the enhancements crap and nope its def blurred on purpose ugh this is frustrating
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 22, 2010, 04:29:00 AM
This new discovered photo look crazy.  I'm sorry but it doesn't even look like a face.  It looks all distorted and blurred out or something.  I don't know what's up with this pic.  Maybe it was photoshopped and the real person's face was blurred out and replaced by MJ's face.  Who knows?  Also is it just me or does the equipment in the ambulance look hecka old like from the 80's.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 22, 2010, 04:41:32 AM
I remeber that the one who had posted this pic from the start said, that the one she had got the pic from, had BLURRED it, to protect Michaels privacy :?  But then, why post something when it's so hard to see actually who it is.....
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 22, 2010, 07:15:27 PM
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I remeber that the one who had posted this pic from the start said, that the one she had got the pic from, had BLURRED it, to protect Michaels privacy :?  But then, why post something when it's so hard to see actually who it is.....

Yeah right? :roll:   The paparazzi is scandalous and they would not protect his privacy.  Let's be real that man had no privacy when ever he was out in public.  If this really was his death photo they shouldn't have taken it in the first place if they wanted to respect his privacy.  They all about that dollar bill that's why they do it for the money not because they enjoy taking photos of celebrties as a hobby. :!:
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 22, 2010, 11:35:17 PM
The older man can't be him IMO.  The way he runs and jumps around on stage, it would be really difficult to keep the wig on straight wouldn't it? I do believe he had some baldness but he wasn't totally bald.  Also, wasn't he supposed to have a tatoo on his front hairline? Also, he still had eyebrows right?  That old man had no eyebrows and no tatoo on his hairline.  Also odd was the car. I don't buy this as genuine.  I believe the photo was mocked up in order to try and get the paramedics to talk.  If they knew who the person in the ambulance was they would be less likely to say anything, right?
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 23, 2010, 12:53:15 AM
I never saw this new pic before tonight.

I agree with 'i need you's post about the possibility of the 2nd pic being used and then photoshopped to put a recognizable image of Michael onto it.

Now the question to me is: was the original photograph Michael or not?


I ask that because
1)Yes, it's blurry and the head is turned to the side.  But if the paramedic on the left is doing chest compressions, that can cause the head to turn to one side or the other.  
2)Yes, that pic of "MJ" is paler than the 1st one, but the 1st one is obviously photoshopped with an old pic.  Also, there wouldn't be a lot of obvious vitiligo spots because his upper half is mostly white at this point.  No need for makeup on his arms and chest.  You can see it in close ups of making of "They Don't Care About Us" - the Brazil version.  His shirt is open and he has on short sleeves.  His skin is about 90% white, with a few brown spots here and there.
3)It's possible that he shaved his head bald since he wore wigs all the time.  
4)The 2 pics do look like they were taken within seconds of each other from slightly differen angles.  It also looked like the paramedic holding the bag moved slightly.

It's late so I'm not sure if I make sense.  I'm just trying to look at all the possibilities.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 23, 2010, 08:26:08 AM
I just realized there ARE 2 pictures of the ambulance take a look at these 2:



and




Spot the differences :)

(The leg near his head, the colour of his skin "Could also be because of the camera right?" his eyebrows, that vein on his forehead, the hand near his nose, his nose ...)

Could this mean what Ben Evanstad said? (That day and the other d uh...)?
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 24, 2010, 09:06:29 AM
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I just realized there ARE 2 pictures of the ambulance take a look at these 2:



and




Spot the differences :)

(The leg near his head, the colour of his skin "Could also be because of the camera right?" his eyebrows, that vein on his forehead, the hand near his nose, his nose ...)

Could this mean what Ben Evanstad said? (That day and the other d uh...)?


I noticed the bag on the left down corner.. On the first picture it's closed, the second is opened..
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 24, 2010, 09:20:07 AM
What about this one?



[attachment=1:tnw9uldx]mjacksonambulance.jpg[/attachment:tnw9uldx]
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 24, 2010, 12:56:13 PM
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What about this one?

That's just the way it's cropped and sized.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 24, 2010, 03:51:40 PM
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I have just realized this man appears not to have any tatoos on his head.  didn't the autopsy say he had tatoos on his head at the front by the hairline?  

Phew!  I was worried for a while there I thought maybe it was him
That is just what I was going to say we were told about the tattoo on Michael head this is not showing   thank god
I f you look at these pics there is a visible tattoo close to the hairline... If you zoom in on the pics its very clear to see. But that's good, because then this ambulance pic MUST be fake ;)[attachment=0:1b9y5p20]tattoo hairline.jpg[/attachment:1b9y5p20]
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 28, 2010, 06:43:37 PM
i dont know why but looking at the pic at the top of the thread reminds me of the film total recall - dont know why and also judge dread when they discover the photo of Dread as a boy with his parents was photoshopped with state of the art tech.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 28, 2010, 06:51:28 PM
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i dont know why but looking at the pic at the top of the thread reminds me of the film total recall - dont know why and also judge dread when they discover the photo of Dread as a boy with his parents was photoshopped with state of the art tech.

I know what you mean.  But im undecided on the photoshop theory.

There are clearly more than one photo going around, taken within milliseconds of each other.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 28, 2010, 07:52:58 PM
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I just realized there ARE 2 pictures of the ambulance take a look at these 2:



and




Spot the differences :)

(The leg near his head, the colour of his skin "Could also be because of the camera right?" his eyebrows, that vein on his forehead, the hand near his nose, his nose ...)

Could this mean what Ben Evanstad said? (That day and the other d uh...)?


I noticed the bag on the left down corner.. On the first picture it's closed, the second is opened..


I just noticed that too! And I was going to post, but you beat me ;P

Anyway....

Yeah! Now there are Three pictures...... Why are MJ's eyebrows so "perfect"?

I just wish that that guy's knee wasn't in the way.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 28, 2010, 09:05:25 PM
Ok, so can someone PLEASE just simply posted the ORIGINAL picture
of the "smudged" one?
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 29, 2010, 11:20:45 PM
Hi I found this while browing on the KOP forum

Below is the picture that was used to fake the ambulance picture of Michael.

Original Image:
http://emtbravowest.com/uploads/monthly ... 324738.jpg
Sorry I have to clarify, in the first image, the LAFD blurred that patients face due confidentiality reasons. This is the only thing that has been done to it.

Fake Image:
http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles ... 678247.jpg

Image of Michael used to composite fake image:
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t219 ... 1255182075
(Thanx to Matt MJ)

The picture is legit and was found on the EMT Bravo West website:
http://luvyoumichaeljackson.info/wp-con ... nshot1.jpg


So this whole story that the pap Ben gave is BS. And makes his slip up look more poignant: “Yes Chris, and the other people that were there that day and the other da… uh and uh are part of that agreement, are going to make a lot of money, absolutely.”


Entertainment Tonight must feel like idiots for purchasing a fake Michael Jackson picture. Wonder why they didn't mention it publicly that they were dupped?
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 30, 2010, 05:27:04 PM
Quote from: "lookingforthetroot"
Hi I found this while browing on the KOP forum

Below is the picture that was used to fake the ambulance picture of Michael.

Original Image:
http://emtbravowest.com/uploads/monthly ... 324738.jpg
Sorry I have to clarify, in the first image, the LAFD blurred that patients face due confidentiality reasons. This is the only thing that has been done to it.

Fake Image:
http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles ... 678247.jpg

Image of Michael used to composite fake image:
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t219 ... 1255182075
(Thanx to Matt MJ)

The picture is legit and was found on the EMT Bravo West website:
http://luvyoumichaeljackson.info/wp-con ... nshot1.jpg


So this whole story that the pap Ben gave is BS. And makes his slip up look more poignant: “Yes Chris, and the other people that were there that day and the other da… uh and uh are part of that agreement, are going to make a lot of money, absolutely.”


Entertainment Tonight must feel like idiots for purchasing a fake Michael Jackson picture. Wonder why they didn't mention it publicly that they were dupped?
your links are broken or no longer exist - how scary is that
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: February 01, 2010, 02:35:05 PM
This site has the complete explanation..

Take a look

http://http://luvyoumichaeljackson.info/2010/01/04/proof-to-prove-you-that-the-ambulance-picture-is-a-fake/

 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: February 03, 2010, 05:29:26 PM
Quote from: "the arabian nights"
Quote from: "lookingforthetroot"
Hi I found this while browing on the KOP forum

Below is the picture that was used to fake the ambulance picture of Michael.

Original Image:
http://emtbravowest.com/uploads/monthly ... 324738.jpg
Sorry I have to clarify, in the first image, the LAFD blurred that patients face due confidentiality reasons. This is the only thing that has been done to it.

Fake Image:
http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles ... 678247.jpg

Image of Michael used to composite fake image:
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t219 ... 1255182075
(Thanx to Matt MJ)

The picture is legit and was found on the EMT Bravo West website:
http://luvyoumichaeljackson.info/wp-con ... nshot1.jpg


So this whole story that the pap Ben gave is BS. And makes his slip up look more poignant: “Yes Chris, and the other people that were there that day and the other da… uh and uh are part of that agreement, are going to make a lot of money, absolutely.”


Entertainment Tonight must feel like idiots for purchasing a fake Michael Jackson picture. Wonder why they didn't mention it publicly that they were dupped?
your links are broken or no longer exist - how scary is that

yeah, none of the links work  :shock:
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: February 08, 2010, 11:12:38 AM
so i am posting this on all the ambulance threads to try and get your opinions

the ambulance vid shows a mystery guy shielding himself when he comes out of the ambulance, that is after mike(?) has gone in the trolley.

so we have mj in the ambulance (?), the two ambulance men, dr murray and this ambulance guy, but no sign in the photo - why not?

who is this mystery guy, he will probably have to give evidence?
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: February 12, 2010, 10:55:46 AM
Hello all Jackson fans!

My first day with my first reply . In regards to the face in the photo I have opened this photo in photoshop and had a close look at the pixels on the face and surrounding area and I can confirm to you that the face has been tampered with , I have a good eye for stuff like this and can clearly see the pixels are very different from the rest of the photo.
Remember IF this was meant to be Michael he did have a dark tattoo on the top of his head ( We all know he used hair pices ) and nothing is wrong with that at all. Also there is no difference to both the rest of the photos at all. It's been edited on some photoshop.

Now the photo the media released is such an amazing shot considering the angle the guy snapped it from.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: February 12, 2010, 11:02:11 AM
P/s I also believe that anyone that has posted that 'final' photo should remove them with respect.


Thank you.


L.O.V.E
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: February 12, 2010, 02:21:09 PM
Quote from: "Alem (Thetruth)"
Anyone could have blurred that photo, I think both of the pics are fake and fabricated.
that true, that something i have only just about so thanks for the post, the blur pic could have been done after
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: February 12, 2010, 02:25:14 PM
Quote from: "Christiana"
It is possible, as someone else mentioned, that it's the same ambulance photo, only "MJ's" face has been blurred so that the OP could get an answer about the ambulance, without being distracted by who is supposed to be in it. But I do agree with other posters who have circled things in the photos that don't match up. Don't forget also that there were photos taken by Ben AND Chris--still digital photos, and a still photo created from video (by Ben), that we know of.

In any case, here's a zoomed in photo of the blurry face in this photo:

you cant tell from the blurry pic what sex the person is or anything - it could be wax for all we know
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: February 12, 2010, 02:29:23 PM
I HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS PIC FOR MONTHS NOW, JUST LIKE YOU GUYS... BUT EVER SINCE I HAVE BEEN WONDERING ABOUT THE WHITE EAR THING... IS IT ON MICHAELS EAR OR NOT... CUZ IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS JUST PUT ON THERE NOT REALLY CLIPT ON.. DO YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND WHAT I MEAN, COULD SOMEBODY ENLARGE THAT PART SO WE CAN TAKE A CLOSER LOOK, PLEASE!!!
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: February 14, 2010, 08:41:17 AM
some one mentioned mikes ear

posting.php?mode=reply&f=38&t=2833
The shocking damage caused to Michael Jackson's ear by repeated plastic surgery has been revealed.
Jackson's long hair normally hides it from view. But all was revealed as he left a medical clinic in California yesterday, where he has been receiving treatment for skin cancer.

The left ear looked as though

A similar procedure is available on the NHS, usually to correct damage caused during accidents.
Yesterday a music promoter sued Jackson to stop him from performing in London this year, claiming his appearances would violate a prior contract.
New Jersey-based AllGood Entertainment Inc claims it signed a deal with the singer's manager, Frank DiLeo, in November committing him to an appearance in the U.S. this summer.
Under the agreement, Jackson is not supposed to give another concert before that show, the lawsuit states.
Jackson has signed with AEG Live to play 50 shows at London's O2 Arena starting in July.
AllGood Entertainment contends those shows violate the New Jersey company's agreement with DiLeo, which it says predates the singer's deal with AEG Live.
Representatives for Jackson and AEG Live were not immediately available to comment.
 Before the corrective surgery: Jackson's ear on show in Cannes in 1997


AEG Live, which is named in the lawsuit, has previously called AllGood Entertainment's claims 'meaningless'.
Jackson has been rehearsing in the Los Angeles area for the London shows.
AllGood Entertainment contends in its lawsuit its agreement with DiLeo also left the door open for Jackson to perform with other members of his show business family, which includes his brothers from the Jackson Five and sister Janet Jackson.
The company's lawsuit alleges breach of contract, fraud and tortious interference with a contract. It seeks at least $20 million in compensatory damages and at least $20 million in punitive damages.
It also names as defendants Jackson's production company, as well as DiLeo, his company and AEG Live's parent company AEG, a wholly owned subsidiary of the Anschutz Company.
Jackson's series of London shows have been touted as unprecedented.
AEG Live says that, all together, the shows will gather the biggest audience ever to see an artist in one


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/ar ... z0fW8POAdu



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/ar ... z0fW8H1gzn
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: February 14, 2010, 08:43:06 AM
the photo above is the post surgery pic
the pic below is a pre -surgery pic
Before the corrective surgery: Jackson's ear on show in Cannes in 1997
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: February 19, 2010, 07:27:14 PM
Quote from: "the arabian nights"
so i am posting this on all the ambulance threads to try and get your opinions

the ambulance vid shows a mystery guy shielding himself when he comes out of the ambulance, that is after mike(?) has gone in the trolley.

so we have mj in the ambulance (?), the two ambulance men, dr murray and this ambulance guy, but no sign in the photo - why not?

who is this mystery guy, he will probably have to give evidence?

I looked this up about the guy seemingly leaving the ambulance. The person looks like he is leaving the ambulance when in fact he is coming in front of it (from the right, moving in front) when you look at the moving footage.The guy is a security guard, you can see the outline of his face and his tie can be seen through the glass in the door. He is facing the ambulance. http://www.bittenandbound.com/wp-conten ... center.jpg
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: April 25, 2010, 01:39:19 PM
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Quote from: "nevernevernever"
Nop . it s just 2 different levels of contrast . In the first one too low , in the second one too high.
I'm sorry, but you are wrong. Look at the blue areas I circled again. Adjusting contrast wouldn't add or remove areas like that. I can prove it by over contrasting the more familiar photo, but there's no need. I've already pointed out the areas of difference. The paramedic on the right side is leaning further to his right. Look again.

there are more than 1 ambulance photos. A papparazzi camera takes many photos at on e and mjs ambulance photo is actually about 3 with different angles
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: April 25, 2010, 03:45:56 PM
Don't the one who took the picture with the blur face was from the same agency ?  :?
Maybe they had the old one for years and wanted to hide the person in the ambulance so they blur his face. Then they took one of the few pictures from the first shoot and use one not release for MJ ?  :)
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