Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 03:01:26 PM
Quote from: "See"
Oke so the both pictures are clearly from slightly different positions... Wich would explain the couple of pictures Ben took... Just play the devils advocate ( :twisted: ) What if Michael really is dead, and he did look like a frail old man without his make-up and wig... Wouldn't you as a friend, being Ben in this case, want to make sure your friend looked nice in his last photo since you know how sensitive he is about his looks. You would like the puplic to remember him like he looked in his best days...(don't jump on me, playing devels advocate here.. :? )

Hmm I see what you mean by that.. BUT (there's always a but  :D ) considering the "new" picture is in worse quality overall, its colors have been altered and the head really seems blured on purpose, I don't believe it could be an original photo.
You do make sense with what you're saying about Ben wanting to deliver a respectable last picture of his friend. But  :D
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 03:02:36 PM
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to me it looks like the first is much better quality

Ok.. this is really odd and has blown me away to be honest.

Look at the red car position in the two photographs,  ITS DIFFERENT.  I cant do that circling thing that you do.. but look at the position of the cars headlight in comparison to the paramedics legs.. they are DIFFERENT in the two photos.

Definitely two different photos with subtle differences.
Maybe they were shot within nano-seconds of each other which explains the subtle differences...  but i cant decide if the face is to the side or if it has been blurred.  If the face is to the side i cannot see why they would have the breathing apparatus on the side of his head.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 03:16:35 PM
Quote from: "See"
Oke so the both pictures are clearly from slightly different positions... Wich would explain the couple of pictures Ben took... Just play the devils advocate ( :twisted: ) What if Michael really is dead, and he did look like a frail old man without his make-up and wig... Wouldn't you as a friend, being Ben in this case, want to make sure your friend looked nice in his last photo since you know how sensitive he is about his looks. You would like the puplic to remember him like he looked in his best days...(don't jump on me, playing devels advocate here.. :? )


or the first picture could be MJ getting into position.. and by the 2nd he'd turned his head to where it should be!!  :shock:
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 03:19:51 PM
@lisap.. i dont think that is plausable as they would have had to turn his head in a nanosecond.. almost everything is the same but subtle differences.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 03:20:59 PM
LOOK AT THE RED CAR GUYS.. LOOK AT THE HEADLIGHTS POSITION..  DIFFERENT!!
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 03:26:52 PM
@DancingTheDream

yeh i know what your saying.. i wonder what it could be then.. they are clearly 2 different shots.. within a split second due to the slight movement of things..

i wonder why this picture has suddenly popped up now.. when we have been told for so long there was only one single photo.. i mean irrelevant of the quality it still a picture that says a thousand words!!  :shock:
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 03:43:11 PM
OK I can't make out the face at all??? I mean I see where the breathing tube is supposed to be in his mouth right..but then there is smudges..Where is the ear,nose and eyes??? I mean this pic has got me baffled. can someone enlarge or circle the face and point out the eyes, nose and  ears etc b/c that can be ANYONE in that photo..need some help here cause I feel like we need to make sure this isn't strong evidence he is gone.  :cry:
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 03:45:39 PM
what was the number on the ambulance??
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 03:47:58 PM
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Oke so the both pictures are clearly from slightly different positions... Wich would explain the couple of pictures Ben took... Just play the devils advocate ( :twisted: ) What if Michael really is dead, and he did look like a frail old man without his make-up and wig... Wouldn't you as a friend, being Ben in this case, want to make sure your friend looked nice in his last photo since you know how sensitive he is about his looks. You would like the puplic to remember him like he looked in his best days...(don't jump on me, playing devels advocate here.. :? )

Hmm I see what you mean by that.. BUT (there's always a but  :D ) considering the "new" picture is in worse quality overall, its colors have been altered and the head really seems blured on purpose, I don't believe it could be an original photo.
You do make sense with what you're saying about Ben wanting to deliver a respectable last picture of his friend. But  :D

LOL I know what you are sayin, there is always a HUGE buts.. one of those buts it the fact that Ben did not follow the ambulance to the hospital BUT  :D  went to the studio to check his pictures... If he was such a good friend he would atleas make sure his friend was oke...

I do not get the picure thing... from what I remember is that Ben said he took a couple of shots and one was clear enough...

The blurry one could very well be a photoshopped version of the "original" Ben Everstad photo that has been photo shopped...  About how the paramedics did not recocnize Michael, I don't understand he has the most famous face on the face of the earth how can you not know...
+ of course the roumers that Michael did have a prosthetic nose, which to me is clearly seen in the movie This is it. And some of the photos that were taken from him looking out his hotelroom window in London... These pictures clearly show he has different noses... But that a side even if he would have a prosthetic face i don't care, but what if Ben did retoch the photo and that is why we see pictures of the Liberian Girl theme all over... Just to let the public remember Michael in his "best" days and because he looks like that period in the ambulance picture...
I mean we all know Michael did not look like that at the O2...
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 03:49:08 PM
It is possible, as someone else mentioned, that it's the same ambulance photo, only "MJ's" face has been blurred so that the OP could get an answer about the ambulance, without being distracted by who is supposed to be in it. But I do agree with other posters who have circled things in the photos that don't match up. Don't forget also that there were photos taken by Ben AND Chris--still digital photos, and a still photo created from video (by Ben), that we know of.

In any case, here's a zoomed in photo of the blurry face in this photo:

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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 03:54:00 PM
The picture is kinda creepy. Looks like Michael had no eyebrows, and he was bald.. OR didn't have a face at all.. Seems like he didn't have a nose either..  :shock:

Maybe if he was dead, the autopsy was right.. Without nose and bald.. But they didn't said anything about eyebrows.. He looked kinda burn victim. I think it's fake, or there is two picture.. OMG.. Who leaked it then?

And no, I dont think it's real. Just creepy picture.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 03:57:52 PM
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That is so strange, it is exactly the same picture from what I can see, apart from the face.  It looks like the face is turned to the side, as u can still see the long black hair and what looks to be an ear.. but it is blurry?!  If it hasn't been blurred on purpose, then there is something really strange about it.... as even if it was just another shot (a new pic) from that day, surely everything around MJ (like the paramedics, their arms, bodies etc.) would be in a slightly different position too, as well as his face??

Edit: After a second look, I can't decide if the new pic 'man' actually has hair or if he is bald??  Is it a possibility that this is infact the original photo.. and it was photoshopped to hide the baldness, and a clearer image of MJ's face was put on to better prove it's him?? :?:


It could be. The picture seems to be taken in 1980 or 90's.. Not in 2009 with good paparazzi cams.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 04:01:12 PM
Also, here is a photo I made from a video that is the inside of the ambulance, only empty. It might be helpful for reference purposes.

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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 04:01:27 PM
thx to the OP for bringing this photo to all of our attention. I do agree it is definitely 2 photos, albeit very similar. I dunno what to think about it. If it is real (and I really hope it isn't) could it be true that he was missing his nose (i.e. wore a prosthetic one). ugh I hate to even say that! Could there be truth to the bald thing? And could that black area (that looks like part of the blur) be a shadow? Dunno what to think... hope it is not true :(
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 04:04:27 PM
Why is the "blurred" face got a big hole on the side of the head????
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 04:07:00 PM
Ok I can't circle but looking at the pic. Look at the paramedics hand in the shot that we can see Michaels face the pinky knuckle is right over the nose, In the smudged photo his hand is over the eyes and if you look at the proportions based on where his hand is..his eyes are too close to the breathing apparatus IMO. there is barely any space between the mouth and eyes, also on the side near the medics knee there is some hair in the blurry pic, I don't think we see hair in the clear pic either its the medics knee that looks like hair. All we see is side burn hair and his forehead (am I missing where his hair is clearly there and not cleary there in the other  :lol: ??)
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 04:10:53 PM
Quote from: "Doreen316"
thx to the OP for bringing this photo to all of our attention. I do agree it is definitely 2 photos, albeit very similar. I dunno what to think about it. If it is real (and I really hope it isn't) could it be true that he was missing his nose (i.e. wore a prosthetic one). ugh I hate to even say that! Could there be truth to the bald thing? And could that black area (that looks like part of the blur) be a shadow? Dunno what to think... hope it is not true :(

I wondered to if that was a shadow or a bruise. I agree that it's two different pictures, most likely like someone stated in succession.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 04:17:43 PM
It looks like his sideburns and what looks like a tiny bit of an ear (off the 1st photo we saw) has moved over to the middle of the face on the 2nd new photo.  Like has been said lots of times, we need to know if whoever posted this blurred it and distorted the face on purpose... if not, then it is really strange, because it's very unlikely that just his face would be blurred, but everything around it clear.  It's weird though, coz u can still see what was questioned to be a bulging vein in the centre of his forehead, on the new photo too?
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 04:22:13 PM
Is it my impression or does that person inside the new picture looks like a medical dummy.

Photos (I don't know how to put them directly)

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/03 ... -Dummy.jpg
http://www.medgadget.com/archives/img/mexico-robots.jpg
http://cache.io9.com/assets/images/io9/ ... ldummy.jpg
http://cache2.asset-cache.net/xc/913422 ... 0B0D811297

Maybe the took the pictures with a dummy and photoshopped MJ's face on top of it.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 04:23:19 PM
I just asked the poster (Daphne) from the EMT forum about that photo. I asked her where she got it and if she blurred out MJ's face or if it was already like that when she got it. Here is her reply:

Yes, it is a photo from MJ and I blurried out his face... I found it on Susiecats forum, dont know, if you know her... Im not there anymore.
D. :)
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 04:26:27 PM
Guys.. can someone help me out because the blurred picture is really freaking me out.  

Where are you guys seeing the facial features here?  CAn anyone circle them to show me???

And can someone please explain why there is what looks like a big hole on the side of the head??  That bit is really making me scared.. am i just not looking at it right? Please help.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 04:27:25 PM
Quote from: "Christiana"
I just asked the poster (Daphne) from the EMT forum about that photo. I asked her where she got it and if she blurred out MJ's face or if it was already like that when she got it. Here is her reply:

Yes, it is a photo from MJ and I blurried out his face... I found it on Susiecats forum, dont know, if you know her... Im not there anymore.
D. :)

Oh thank God for that.  I was beginnning to freak out.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 04:28:11 PM
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Guys.. can someone help me out because the blurred picture is really freaking me out.  

Where are you guys seeing the facial features here?  CAn anyone circle them to show me???

And can someone please explain why there is what looks like a big hole on the side of the head??  That bit is really making me scared.. am i just not looking at it right? Please help.

Read my post, directly above yours.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 04:30:09 PM
Quote from: "SeeingClues"
Hello everyone,
We discussed this in chat last night after discovering this image in a new hoax video.   After some research, the photo was linked to an EMT discussion forum - a poster named "Daphne" asked the EMT's if the ambulance looked to be an older or new one based on the photo.

At first we thought..hmm...is this the undiscovered "original" photo, or did "Daphne" photoshop the face to disguise MJ when posting.

Since it caused quite a stir in chat I wanted to open this up to all of the investigators on here.  I've tried to PM "Daphne" to inquire about the photo...
[attachment=2:39bkx3ay]post-4784-125882324738.jpg[/attachment:39bkx3ay]

Here is a screen shot and web address of the message board this was found on (you have to register on the site to view the post "live")


I tried to compare this photo with an existing ambulance photo I had, but the photo I had wasn't the same exact photo (not as much of the background is visible).  If anyone has an exact match of the equivalent photo with MJ, please post. Scroll to see both pics...


So one of these photos is a photoshop... which one?   The new one is either a photoshop or an old man...

Well, OMG, how many photos are they going to shop to convince us that that is in fact Michael?  Seems someone is getting a bit disturbed with our investigative savvy.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 04:33:41 PM
@Christina.. does she have the original photo before she blurred the face??
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