Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 04:34:07 PM
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is this the "old man" that the paramedics are quoted as working on?

That was my 1st thought.. playing devils advocate here (trying to see from both sides of the argument) IF Michael did really die that day.. what if it was true about him being bald underneath his wigs.. and that this new photo is infact the original photo that was taken that day?  That would explain the paramedics claim that they didn't recognise him and thought it was just an bald, older man.  It would also explain why we are so sure that the ambulance photo that was all over the press, was photoshopped somehow?  Is it possible that the guy who took the photo, realised MJ's face wasn't very clear, so edited it to make it more obvious?

They have had over 6 months now to fix up any kind of shot they needed to convince us that we are wrong.  I'm still not buying it.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 04:34:37 PM
Looks like that mystery is solved..  it was hitting hoax videos and hopefully it is now nipped in the bud before it spreads.

Still seems like there were two shots snapped in succession...Daphne just replied to me as well and I asked her if she had her original unsmudged photo.

All she had to do in her post was say she smudged the person for privacy...oh well....
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 04:45:38 PM
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@SeeingClues

thats a good point about the breathing equipment..its never looked in the right place!! and i never thought about them just checking the age of the ambulance so for a bit of respect they could have blurred his face out to check... ooo good find if this is the case.. rather strange to be questioning it now tho isn't it!!

I have a comparison between the "proper" way to do CPR and MJ's CPR in this article on my blog:
http://seeingclues.blogspot.com/2009/11 ... s-cpr.html

You can see how the breathing apparatus is supposed to be positioned.

You are right.  That was brought up during the first week after that photo surfaced.  A nurse informed us on another board that the apparatus was positioned incorrectly.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 05:02:08 PM
well im glad that mystery is solved i was about to have major freak out.  8-)
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 05:04:17 PM
Does this look like Mike entering hospital?
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 05:18:24 PM
Ok.....These appear to be two different pics. It does look like a bald man and the head has been turned, you can still see the sideburn and the left ear.......I know nothing about dead bodies, but I thought the body would be stiff????  If so, how was it turned??? :shock:  :shock:  :shock:
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 05:24:26 PM
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Does this look like Mike entering hospital?

Where should I see Mike? It's almost midnight where I am, so i'm a little sleepy  :lol:
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 05:35:02 PM
I have just realized this man appears not to have any tatoos on his head.  didn't the autopsy say he had tatoos on his head at the front by the hairline?  

Phew!  I was worried for a while there I thought maybe it was him
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 05:37:25 PM
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I have just realized this man appears not to have any tatoos on his head.  didn't the autopsy say he had tatoos on his head at the front by the hairline?  

Phew!  I was worried for a while there I thought maybe it was him

Any AUTOPSIES you have read are FAKE.  Even if MJ is dead, the autopsies that have been released are FAKE AND FALSE.  Made up lies.

How do i know??  When Britanny Murphey had hers leaked the LA Coroner immediately issued a statement and said they were investigating the leak and as to how TMZ got the info.

Whenever "leaks" about MJs were outed, the coroner always denied these were the truth and have never launched an investigation.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 06:28:42 PM
I noticed the guy pushing the stretcher, i just thought could that be Mike? In Blue Uniform.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 06:40:04 PM
Ben allegedly took 4 ambulance pictures which is now surfacing the net, you might just be comparing to the wrong one.

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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 06:45:51 PM
Quote from: "TheKingWillReturn"
I noticed the guy pushing the stretcher, i just thought could that be Mike? In Blue Uniform.

I see why you thought that, but his lower body isn't shaped that way :)
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 09:42:51 PM
Okay. I read all of your posts. This is really interesting. Did Daphne ever reply back whether she had the original unsmudged photo or not? I'm sure she does if she's the one who blurred the face. You probably already know this but I thought it was interesting. Last night while watching the Dangerous Live at Bucharest dvd, I think I saw Ben in the audience singing along to Heal The World. And also, we've seen several pics of Michael and Ben together.

So yeah, I do believe he would be the one to get the ambulance photo of Michael before anyone else. I even thought at one time that Michael chose him to be in on this. In fact, that may be true. Lol. I remember discussing it on the old forum. Here's the video.  

[youtube:39qyerb8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y95UQrBv8Do[/youtube:39qyerb8]

@5:45 I'm pretty sure that's him in 1992.

Here's the interview about the ambulance pic. ^_^
[youtube:39qyerb8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VR-HSc2aM4[/youtube:39qyerb8]

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there is always a HUGE buts.. one of those buts it the fact that Ben did not follow the ambulance to the hospital BUT :D went to the studio to check his pictures... If he was such a good friend he would atleas make sure his friend was oke...

Sounds like a plan. Lol.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 04, 2010, 11:31:24 PM
Quote from: "Lizziebee"
Okay. I read all of your posts. This is really interesting. Did Daphne ever reply back whether she had the original unsmudged photo or not? I'm sure she does if she's the one who blurred the face.

Yes, she said she did blur/smudge the face and she got the image from another community:

http://mjfansinvestigatefakeddeath.lefora.com
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 05, 2010, 12:18:04 AM
I don't understand ????  If you have something this important to all of us, why in God's name would you blurr the picture?  NO damn sence to me.  This whole thing is gettting ridiculous.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 05, 2010, 12:49:54 AM
Yeah I wonder why she'd smudge out the face of an already published picture that has gone worldwide?  For privacy??? From what? The whole world has pretty much seen that pic after Michael's supposed death. It doesn't make any sense to me.

Can we get a copy of te untouched one she has?
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 05, 2010, 01:58:00 AM
From another forum :Exif data from this picture

Compression JPEG (old-style)
Date/Time Original 2009:11:21 16:14:48
1 month, 12 days, 18 hours, 51 minutes, 26 seconds ago
Exif Version 0210
Image Unique ID 72a6df30d2f259b522b42c85036cece3
Interoperability Index Unknown ( )
Interoperability Version 0100
Resolution 72 pixels/inch
Software Picasa 3.0
Thumbnail Length 7,357

So I guess it's photoshopped :)
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 05, 2010, 03:43:46 AM
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I don't understand ????  If you have something this important to all of us, why in God's name would you blurr the picture?  NO damn sence to me.  This whole thing is gettting ridiculous.

I didn't ask her that question. But, IMO, she did it for privacy and for objectivity. I mean, she posted that photo in an EMT forum, NOT a hoax forum. The best way to get an objective answer to her questions about the photo was to blur out the face. Otherwise, those members in that community would be like, "um, that's Michael Jackson, so yeah, the photo is recent...duh."  How else was she going to get an objective answer/opinion? To me, she was using practical investigative skills.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 05, 2010, 03:44:44 AM
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From another forum :Exif data from this picture

Compression JPEG (old-style)
Date/Time Original 2009:11:21 16:14:48
1 month, 12 days, 18 hours, 51 minutes, 26 seconds ago
Exif Version 0210
Image Unique ID 72a6df30d2f259b522b42c85036cece3
Interoperability Index Unknown ( )
Interoperability Version 0100
Resolution 72 pixels/inch
Software Picasa 3.0
Thumbnail Length 7,357

So I guess it's photoshopped :)

Yes, it's Shopped...she admitted she blurred the face out.
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Does this looks like Michael?..

  • on: January 05, 2010, 09:12:13 AM
I don't think so! Look at the nose and hair.. He is way to dark, even though he used make up to hide vitiligo spots.. Nose looks very different.. Give your thoughts.


And another picture a person here had, when Michael arrived the hospital.. Why did he hold a jacket which looked like the one from Billie Jean... Hmm.. Michael doesn't sleep with smooth criminal and billie jean cloths I guess..
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 05, 2010, 11:17:46 AM
Ok, so it might not  be him pushing stretcher, but all things should be investigated, who knows, maybe the smallest idea somebody has, will hold the biggest clue? People who are not looking for clues, would just assume thats a medic, but hey imagine if that was Mike, I feel like he is actually in front of our eyes all the time.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 05, 2010, 11:59:33 AM
i was just doodleing as you with some pictures an these are what i have messed with.. the original pic is the one where he's on his back in TII kicking his feet in the air.. picture is too big for me to upload.. and i've taken the refelction off the floor an turned it round to see if it looks like the ambulance dude!!

if anyone can do it better please do so... it a comparison sort of.. but blurry!! pfffff.. but i tried..
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 05, 2010, 12:45:11 PM
or what about this one...
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 05, 2010, 12:59:19 PM
IMO these two pics prove one more time that they were set up artificially.
Both are witnessing that somebody messed around with photoshop.

You will notice three different shadows of Michael's face in them which may happen if you don't erase photoshop layers properly before saving the picture file.

Take the first pic (the one we saw being published in print and in the web):
1) Left of the left arm of the emergency staff in the background - there is Michael with open mouth and closed eyes.

Second picture:
2) Left of the left arm of emergency staff there is Michael smiling with open mouth and closed eyes.
3) right of the background staff's belly there is Michael's face smiling, open eyes, directed to the left.

So someone was testing which of Michael's pictures would best fit into the ambulance picture.
We said that all the time.
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Re: Odd New Ambulance Photo Discovered on EMT Forum

  • on: January 05, 2010, 01:32:43 PM
Quote from: "Leah-Kim"
Sorry but that is the SAME picture, It is almost impossible to duplicate arms being in the exact same position , gloves, distance covering monitors in ambulance etc!!!! In my opinion this is THE SAME picture without a doubt...
it's not the same pic as the example...look at the man holding the respirator bag...see the space where his fingers are?  Look at the pointer finger of his hand, on the second picture it has moved down a bit.  There are a series of 3, THREE ambulance photos going around. (the source has said this) This is because the camera took 3, THREE pictures in quick succession, So it's Three pictures about 1/2 a second apart.  She obviously chose to compare two photos from the set of three without realizing they were not the same exact two.  Any way, the picture looks smudged with photo-shop, the left eye and eyebrow.  She probably did this to get an opinion without the people she was asking thinking her crazy.
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