watch how propofol works

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Offline grayshki

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Re: watch how propofol works

  • on: January 15, 2010, 06:40:13 PM
I'm a nurse so i know how propofol works and the standard care needed when using it. So when I first heard the word "propofol" early on as a possibility of what killed MJ, alarm bells rang in my head, and I immediately thought  "no way, this cannot possibly be real". When they "confirmed" propofol, I then knew it had to be a hoax.
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Re: watch how propofol works

  • on: January 15, 2010, 06:46:55 PM
you know what , i accepted his death as cardiac arrest due to natural cause but the moment i heard propofol i was shocked and till date i just cant get over this bad  feeling  , i question myself  for a person who is too much in to research and health conscious , how come he lost  all sense of reasoning, there is no way he could do to his children , they were world to  him    the purpose of post was to let people know how drug works in Operation rooms a nd what precautionary measures should be taken .

does anyone  remember i mention  in my very first post  how much propofol hurts and the use of  cannula to keep the i.v drip running   ?
 :)  :                           Godbless and keep faith
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Re: watch how propofol works

  • on: January 15, 2010, 08:10:06 PM
How does it hurt? You mean it hurts while it is being administered? I thought also that it does not stay in the system long? IDK what to think anymore. I am agreeing with the idea that MJ would not do this to his kids (I mean drugs) to me he always seemed health concious and you know loving his kids. I mean he know that they did not have a mom.....I am like drugs and Mj just doesnt add up.? IDK. will we ever know the truth. How were they able to trace it if it leaves the body so quickly? But then again they did the autopsy immediatley so.......... :?
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Re: watch how propofol works

  • on: January 15, 2010, 08:15:05 PM
Quote from: "grayshki"
I'm a nurse so i know how propofol works and the standard care needed when using it. So when I first heard the word "propofol" early on as a possibility of what killed MJ, alarm bells rang in my head, and I immediately thought  "no way, this cannot possibly be real". When they "confirmed" propofol, I then knew it had to be a hoax.

That is good to know from a medical perspective.

Thanks for that!
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Re: watch how propofol works

  • on: January 15, 2010, 08:49:01 PM
Am i wrong or was that guy not breathing at all after 16 seconds?
So how the hell did Dr Murray use it, if at all and not expect bad result? Hoax me thinks!!
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Re: watch how propofol works

  • on: January 16, 2010, 12:38:08 AM
This really pisses me off if MJ were really dead!! since murray is a doctor...he should have well known that propofol makes you stop breathing!!! so why the heck would he administer it in the first place...and then just leave?!?!?!?!?!? ugh this is so frustrating how he is not even arrested!!! that IF he really is dead. and how did he even get a hold of it if he were just some heart doctor...i thought an anesthesiologist nurse would be the ONLY people allowed to administer a anesthetic? ugh MJ you better still be alive because if not I will be very dissapointed on how things were taken surrounding your death :x  :x
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Re: watch how propofol works

  • on: January 16, 2010, 12:43:56 AM
also yes we all know Mike had insomnia...but propofol does not help you sleep!!! you dont get any RIM sleep using that at all!!! Dr. Murray should have known that!! I even know that!!! I have insomnia so i know how frustrating it could be, but with MJ's intelligence he should have known that taking it does not actually give him any rest what so ever!!!! ok i need to breathe this topic is so sensitive to me and it hurts deeply thinking they did this to solve his insomnia when i know it would not give him rest i am shaking right now i am so raged i cant stand it  :x
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Re: watch how propofol works

  • on: January 16, 2010, 08:05:33 AM
They say it has a very short life in the body. I was surprised they were able to find it after so long....
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Re: watch how propofol works

  • on: January 16, 2010, 08:09:29 AM
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you know what , i accepted his death as cardiac arrest due to natural cause but the moment i heard propofol i was shocked and till date i just cant get over this bad  feeling  , i question myself  for a person who is too much in to research and health conscious , how come he lost  all sense of reasoning, there is no way he could do to his children , they were world for him    the purpose of post was to let people know how drug works in Operation rooms a nd what precautionary measures should be taken .

do anyone of you remember i mention  in my very first post  how much propofol hurts and the use of  cannula to keep the i.v drip running   ?
 :)  :                           Godbless and keep faith

i remember.. good to see we can still look back on the things we've discussed an compare notes!! i'm still confused by it all.. cos our common sence an expertise tells us different to what were being told..  :roll:

i just wish the TRUTH WOULD PROVAIL already!!
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Re: watch how propofol works

  • on: January 16, 2010, 03:38:29 PM
i agree . i also catch myself thinking and feeling the same like most of members do  , here are some answers
 
   @ mj boogie . yes it  burns during its administeration   thats why a i,v LIGNOCAINE is given  before which itself acts as s
   
 1, is local anasthesia ... it reduces pain
  2.  anti arrythmiac too , thats why when the heart shows abnormal rhythum its given immidiately to bring the rhythum back to normal
    and for its anasthesia like property it was given and was later on detected in mj system

  @ game player i told it before that it stays for very short time but with in the urine and blood it stays because body get rid of it through our kidneys
     
       the drug should be given very slowly as it acts with in seconds  and everyone have witness it through videos that guy breathing stops but he was monitered by doctors so they managed him right their  besides the detectors keeps on detecting if the anastheologisot has given the correct dose or if it needs any alteration in terms of drug dosage
 
 @ lisa you have a good memory must be an outstanding student :)
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Re: watch how propofol works

  • on: January 16, 2010, 03:54:45 PM
I just DO NOT believe MJ took propofol to sleep.   Never have and never, ever will.
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Re: watch how propofol works

  • on: January 16, 2010, 04:02:35 PM
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When they "confirmed" propofol, I then knew it had to be a hoax.

That is good to know from a medical perspective.

Thanks for that!

I agree, thank you loads :)
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Re: watch how propofol works

  • on: January 16, 2010, 04:05:16 PM
Can someone please just give me my Michael back?  I want him back.  

I didnt like watching that video.  That man stopped breathing immediately.  It made me feel really ill just watching it.
Michael wasnt stupid, and i dont believe Dr Murray could have been so stupid either.  How could anyone take Propofol for insomnia.  Its the most ridiculous thing ever.  Full stop.  RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!
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Re: watch how propofol works

  • on: January 16, 2010, 04:12:01 PM
@ dancing the dreams  dont get upset that guy was fine and pratically this happens many times  that how doctors revive their patients ,sometimes the moniter shows flat line and it seems the patient is gone but through defibrillator  i.v drugs and Cpr the heart gets back to its normal rhythum .  
    for all who knew about this drug  like doctors and paramedical staff either got upset or found it unreal and thats probably  the reason they are here
       i think you can read my first post you will feel fine and after reading that you can draw your own conclusion how this story  looks fake
                                                                     take care of you God bless
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Re: watch how propofol works

  • on: January 16, 2010, 04:16:28 PM
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@ dancing the dreams  dont get upset that guy was fine and pratically this happens many times  that how doctors revive their patients ,sometimes the moniter shows flat line and it seems the patient is gone but through defibrillator  i.v drugs and Cpr the heart gets back to its normal rhythum .  
     as far as mj concern and his propofol i think you can read my first post you will feel fine and after reading that you can draw your own conclusion how this story unfits here
                                                                     take care of you God bless


Thanks.  Think ive just had a bad week.   I just cant believe MJ took that drug.   :(
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Re: watch how propofol works

  • on: January 16, 2010, 04:20:32 PM
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Re: watch how propofol works

  • on: January 16, 2010, 05:23:23 PM
i wonder, after all this whether propofol will be reclassified as a controlled substance.
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Re: watch how propofol works

  • on: January 16, 2010, 05:33:43 PM
I have always thought  this is so weird I dont believe it , when it was first announcedthen i am afraid i got a bit angry with Michael I thought how could he do that to his children that only lasted for a few seconds because it is so unbelievable I had never heard of anybody using this before apart from hospitals , so  confused
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Re: watch how propofol works

  • on: January 16, 2010, 05:41:17 PM
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i wonder, after all this whether propofol will be reclassified as a controlled substance.

I think your spot on.
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Re: watch how propofol works

  • on: January 16, 2010, 06:38:35 PM
You'd think that if Michael wanted this sh*t administered, he wanted to die. No way. This is all so insane.
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Re: watch how propofol works

  • on: January 17, 2010, 03:52:11 PM
but the complication of this case
    1. is we dont know if dr murray ever warn mj about possible complications
  2, what if mj only know  " :few : side effects like allergic reaction , burning ,dizziness ,temporary memory loss etc
 
 3.   what if mj knew all the aspects of propofol use but still insisted dr murray to treat his insomnia
 
        i remember a post by a member showing a hand writting of mj with the note saying "if i take two vials i will be okay but if accident  happen ...... something like that i dont remember , so  i m left the  the impressionon if mj knew but ...
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Re: watch how propofol works

  • on: January 17, 2010, 04:01:57 PM
Quote from: "mjj_fan"
but the complication of this case
    1. is we dont know if dr murray ever warn mj about possible complications
  2, what if mj only know  " :few : side effects like allergic reaction , burning ,dizziness ,temporary memory loss etc
 
 3.   what if mj knew all the aspects of propofol use but still insisted dr murray to treat his insomnia
 
        i remember a post by a member showing a hand writting of mj with the note saying "if i take two vials i will be okay but if accident  happen ...... something like that i dont remember , so has that  the impressionon me  as if mj knew but ...

didn't that nurse warn him about propofol!! she was on an interview where she said she'd warned him about it.. plus if he was addicted to it as they are saying then he would know about the burning and other side effects cos he'd been on it for sooo long..

nothing adds up with this.. if this is not a HOAX and its all true then Michael was a foolish man.. sorry to say it but its the truth!!

if it is a Hoax then maybe he should have looked into something a bit more convincing than a drug that isn't addictive an maybe something more portant.. or just got lost at sea!! its all crazy!!! :roll:
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Re: watch how propofol works

  • on: January 17, 2010, 04:04:09 PM
@LisaP.   It is IMPOSSIBLE to become addicted to Propofol.  A medical impossibility.  Its is not addictive.
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Re: watch how propofol works

  • on: January 17, 2010, 04:06:19 PM
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@LisaP.   It is IMPOSSIBLE to become addicted to Propofol.  A medical impossibility.  Its is not addictive.

that was my point... why not use something more convincing.. that would make people believe he was addicted to it!!
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