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A phone call from America

  • on: January 17, 2010, 08:03:34 PM
ok for ages now i have been lurking about posting the odd message but after today i just had to start this thread.
My cousin ***** is a doctor, she has lived in New York all her life, and worked her way up to the position she held at the New York Presbyterian Hospital. I havnt spoke to my cousin for well over 3 years as i live in London so its not like we can just call each other for quick chats. Anyway she called me tonight just to send belated xmas and new year wishes and mentioned that she had relocated to a new better paid position at UCLA. up to this point i was avoiding mentioning Michael, but this was to good a chance to miss, i nearly fell off my chair when i realised she said UCLA i was like WOW i got a family member in THAT hospital. anyway nuff chit chat.
So i asked 'whats the buzz there around Michael'? she answered I dont know how im going to get along with cali weather it's hot here all year. so i asked again 'bet you could get the scoop on what actually whent on that day' she answered 'mmm and not sure i chose the right school for the kids' now its not like my cousin to be coy at all. when i said come on ***** you must know something, she just answered i didnt relocate here till October, it was over and finished well before i came. So i tried another tactic asking her outright 'Do you think as a doctor he is dead or could he have faked it?' Now my cousin is a very respected Doctor in her field but she answered me 'i dont know, honestly, im 50/50. She then whent on to explain somethings to me from a Doctors perspective of what might have happened, things that, i have to be honest if that is what really happened, i could quite easily believe Michael has gone
But it was her last comment that got me, she had said that she had obviously talked about MJ, who wouldnt working there, and nearly ALL the staff she spoke to were reluctant to even mention it, but one porter .. he said 'we all know Michael was an illusionist, the art of a good illusinist is NOT creating the illusion but creating the diversion. I say to you the same last words that porter said to my cousin which were 'Make of that what you will'.
She dropped the subject of MJ as quick as that and whent back to hows the family doing chit chat
It may be nothing it probably is nothing but i wanted to share this with you incase it helps in anyway.
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 17, 2010, 08:05:25 PM
:shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 17, 2010, 08:07:02 PM
That is very interesting! Thanks for sharing.
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 17, 2010, 08:07:59 PM
Quote from: "Suzi~Ses~Its~Right"
ok for ages now i have been lurking about posting the odd message but after today i just had to start this thread.
My cousin ***** is a doctor, she has lived in New York all her life, and worked her way up to the position she held at the New York Presbyterian Hospital. I havnt spoke to my cousin for well over 3 years as i live in London so its not like we can just call each other for quick chats. Anyway she called me tonight just to send belated xmas and new year wishes and mentioned that she had relocated to a new better paid position at UCLA. up to this point i was avoiding mentioning Michael, but this was to good a chance to miss, i nearly fell off my chair when i realised she said UCLA i was like WOW i got a family member in THAT hospital. anyway nuff chit chat.
So i asked 'whats the buzz there around Michael'? she answered I dont know how im going to get along with cali weather it's hot here all year. so i asked again 'bet you could get the scoop on what actually whent on that day' she answered 'mmm and not sure i chose the right school for the kids' now its not like my cousin to be coy at all. when i said come on ***** you must know something, she just answered i didnt relocate here till October, it was over and finished well before i came. So i tried another tactic asking her outright 'Do you think as a doctor he is dead or could he have faked it?' Now my cousin is a very respected Doctor in her field but she answered me 'i dont know, honestly, im 50/50. She then whent on to explain somethings to me from a Doctors perspective of what might have happened, things that, i have to be honest if that is what really happened, i could quite easily believe Michael has gone
But it was her last comment that got me, she had said that she had obviously talked about MJ, who wouldnt working there, and nearly ALL the staff she spoke to were reluctant to even mention it, but one porter .. he said 'we all know Michael was an illusionist, the art of a good illusinist is NOT creating the illusion but creating the diversion. I say to you the same last words that porter said to my cousin which were 'Make of that what you will'.
She dropped the subject of MJ as quick as that and whent back to hows the family doing chit chat
It may be nothing it probably is nothing but i wanted to share this with you incase it helps in anyway.

So what do think?
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 17, 2010, 08:10:32 PM
:shock: odd  :shock:
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 17, 2010, 08:11:47 PM
What do i think? honestly? i dont know what to think, my cousin seemed unusually coy as to not answer any of my questions. But then as a doctor maybe she just didnt want to commit herself to 'gossip' i just really dont know
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We only live once. Since we are given the gift of life, it should be a persistent endeavour to immortalize ourselves, no matter what field of endeavour we choose\' .. Michael Jackson
Michael to me your not an icon nor a superstar .. your just a boy that this girl fell in love with a very long time ago.

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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 17, 2010, 08:14:48 PM
:o
thankyou so much for this !
they definitely know something we dont ;)
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 17, 2010, 08:16:50 PM
Quote from: "Suzi~Ses~Its~Right"
What do i think? honestly? i dont know what to think, my cousin seemed unusually coy as to not answer any of my questions. But then as a doctor maybe she just didnt want to commit herself to 'gossip' i just really dont know

If it is that hard for you to understand what your cousin meant, it would be impossible for me to understand what she meant... on the account that you know her! But thanks for taking the time to post  :D
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 17, 2010, 08:18:10 PM
I think she was telling you.. without actually telling you ..
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 17, 2010, 08:35:12 PM
I think your cousin is the position of everyone even remotely knowing something.  First off,
they cannot jeopardize the jobs, and second, even if they want to say something that
they speculate on,,, maybe they afraid that one of us will post on this FORUM, and include
their names. god-forbid, they see their names or a mis-quote appear here!   :o    :)
It hurts the investigation, because if I talk with anyone even half-way credible, I don't
feel I can say anything other than "someone" or a "friend". Unless there was to get their permission
to quote on any forum.  Now I see why news-tabloids always say "a source"...especially when speculation. even if that speculation is Very close to FACT.
Hope this makes some sense.   :geek:
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 17, 2010, 08:36:34 PM
I doubt and do not believe any employee of the UCLA did not see anything strange on June 25. It is impossible that nobody saw or heard anything strange that day. There is no video and picture from inside the UCLA at the time that Michael is there. A picture or video of Michael in the UCLA (and the pictures of the autopsy as well) would be worth a lot of money... millions.  :(  The person would not lose time to sell to tabloids. If there were pictures or videos would have been released long ago.

I think if someone UCLA saw something strange, maybe will not speak out of fear.
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 17, 2010, 08:40:23 PM
would you like to share with us what was her view on his death if its okay with you or can we discuss it  by sending pm to eachother  if you  think  its very hard for others to read?
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 17, 2010, 08:54:22 PM
I can post her thoeries as long as some people understand that this is no way factual or even close to a clue that she may know something.
Ok she personally does not believe Murry is a qualified cardiologist but thats just her personal opinion.
if and that is a very big IF it is true that murry administered Propofol to MJ then it was wrong from the very start, she does not believe the propofol would have killed him had murry been a qulified cardiologist who should as a cardiologist had a broad knowledge of that drug, if the death is true, then you have a man with little medical knowledge of anaesthetic type drug supplying MJ without the right medical eqipment, even the small amount murrey claims to have given him, could have killed him in the hands of an unproffesional. like she said Propofol is one of the safest drugs used in a hospital. plus the cocktail of drugs murrey claims to have given MJ in that night she said no doctor would risk giving any patient such a leathal concoction well no qualified doctor would. Its hard for me to put it the way she did as im not medically trained. but like i said i asked her opinion as a doctor.
summing up she said if Murry is a doctor then no she does not believe MJ has gone. If murrey is a fake with little medical knowledge then yes it's a big possibility. Nothing new there that we dont already know really
hope that makes sense
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 17, 2010, 08:56:17 PM
:shock:  :?  :shock:  :?  :shock:  :?
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 17, 2010, 08:56:54 PM
Quote from: "Chance"
I think she was telling you.. without actually telling you ..

I feel the same way you do, Chance!

Jill
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 17, 2010, 08:59:36 PM
umm okay  , i m  interested about her opinion,  waiting anxiously for your post
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 17, 2010, 10:00:34 PM
Quote from: "Suzi~Ses~Its~Right"
I can post her thoeries as long as some people understand that this is no way factual or even close to a clue that she may know something.
Ok she personally does not believe Murry is a qualified cardiologist but thats just her personal opinion.
if and that is a very big IF it is true that murry administered Propofol to MJ then it was wrong from the very start, she does not believe the propofol would have killed him had murry been a qulified cardiologist who should as a cardiologist had a broad knowledge of that drug, if the death is true, then you have a man with little medical knowledge of anaesthetic type drug supplying MJ without the right medical eqipment, even the small amount murrey claims to have given him, could have killed him in the hands of an unproffesional. like she said Propofol is one of the safest drugs used in a hospital. plus the cocktail of drugs murrey claims to have given MJ in that night she said no doctor would risk giving any patient such a leathal concoction well no qualified doctor would. Its hard for me to put it the way she did as im not medically trained. but like i said i asked her opinion as a doctor.
summing up she said if Murry is a doctor then no she does not believe MJ has gone. If murrey is a fake with little medical knowledge then yes it's a big possibility. Nothing new there that we dont already know really
hope that makes sense

I think your cousin is right and possibly they made sure that all the media knew all the drug cocktail that MJ recieved that night, so any qualified person would come to the conclusion that it was indeed what killed MJ without any further speculation. But it's strange that we could know everything Murray gave to MJ that day and the amount of dosis and all that, but everything that happened in the hospital is so secretive. I think everything is part of the plan.

And on the other side is very strange that nobody, not even one real person, has said anything that happened that day in UCLA. It's not like MJ was in the hospital all by himself, and I think people is afraid to talk maybe after some disclosure contract (?) like the ones actors sign before being in a movie. That if the plot or the details come up to the media they have to pay millions for breaking the contract. Millions that I'm sure any doctor or nurse or any other worker in the hospital can't really pay.
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 17, 2010, 10:22:04 PM
Thanks for sharing.  I think you're cousin is placed in a very awkward position as a staff of UCLA.  Most probably she would want to talk to you, plain conversation like cousin to cousin, but I don't think she can.

If the facts of JUNE 25 were all true, then the conversation would have been like a question and answer thing. But it's obvious that everything should be kept under the hat. No questions/answers to why/how/when/where, but people will just talk about what we/they are fed with through the media.

Thanks again for sharing.
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 17, 2010, 10:43:00 PM
Thanks for your post.  It does lead me to believe that all employees of the hospital were given strict direction they could not comment on anything to do with the day Michael Jackson was brought in.  It sounds like the employees suspect it was a hoax.
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 17, 2010, 11:34:43 PM
That sounds promising.  I think I would probably lose my job if I worked there.Frankly, I KNOW I would.
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 17, 2010, 11:38:17 PM
What I do find odd is that as someone just mentioned if Murray is a true cardiologist..then surley he knew not to give MJ all the other sedatives in addition to the propofol during the time frame he administered them right?  What real experienced cardiologist would even do something like that! THere is noooo way he should have gave MJ those drugs. No way. If he is a fake doctor then definitley he didnt know what the bleep he was doing in the first place..! :evil: But then would MJ even waste his time dealing with a fake doc. when he had access to sleep specialist all over the world? It just doesnt make sense! That is why I am soooo anxious to see the outcome of this case which is dragging on for entirley tooo long.
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 17, 2010, 11:41:36 PM
Murray is a witch doctor.  I'm convinced of that.
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 18, 2010, 01:04:54 AM
:shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :o  :o  :o  :o  :o  :o
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 18, 2010, 01:17:46 AM
Hi - I work in a very well known medical facility (not in California).  We have several high profile patients that we treat regularly (No, I'm not a physician).  There are very strict confidentiality laws in place. Not only Federal and State laws, but also policies for the hospital.  Our IT department monitors patient information to see who's been viewing the information and anyone looking at a person's information without reason will be fired on the spot.  This has even happened. Taking that to UCLA - they probably have the same policies in place which is why everyone is so secretive.  I know this seems odd that nobody would talk but it's possible that only a select few really know what happened and the rest is just speculation. If those select few said what they knew they could be sued big time.  I find it very interesting what the doctor said because of her medical knowledge. And, I find what the porter said to be even more interesting.  Hmmmm....I don't know where to post next bit of info but I was looking at business licenses in California and I stumbled across this one. Notice the date it was filed is October 27, 2009.  I'm not sure what to make of this - any ideas?

LP/LLC
MICHAEL JACKSON AND DR. STEVEN HOEFFLIN, M.D. INNOVATIVE CHILD POVERTY PROGRAM, LLC, THE
Number: 200930110110    Date Filed: 10/27/2009    Status: active
Jurisdiction: CALIFORNIA
Address
149 S BARRINGTON AVE #215
LOS ANGELES, CA 90049
Agent for Service of Process
PAMELA HOEFFLIN
149 S BARRINGTON AVE #215
LOS ANGELES, CA 90049
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 18, 2010, 02:21:08 AM
Hi - I work in a very well known medical facility (not in California).  We have several high profile patients that we treat regularly (No, I'm not a physician).  There are very strict confidentiality laws in place. Not only Federal and State laws, but also policies for the hospital.  Our IT department monitors patient information to see who's been viewing the information and anyone looking at a person's information without reason will be fired on the spot.  This has even happened. Taking that to UCLA - they probably have the same policies in place which is why everyone is so secretive.  I know this seems odd that nobody would talk but it's possible that only a select few really know what happened and the rest is just speculation. If those select few said what they knew they could be sued big time.  I find it very interesting what the doctor said because of her medical knowledge. And, I find what the porter said to be even more interesting.  Hmmmm....I don't know where to post next bit of info but I was looking at business licenses in California and I stumbled across this one. Notice the date it was filed is October 27, 2009.  I'm not sure what to make of this - any ideas?

LP/LLC
MICHAEL JACKSON AND DR. STEVEN HOEFFLIN, M.D. INNOVATIVE CHILD POVERTY PROGRAM, LLC, THE
Number: 200930110110    Date Filed: 10/27/2009    Status: active
Jurisdiction: CALIFORNIA
Address
149 S BARRINGTON AVE #215
LOS ANGELES, CA 90049
Agent for Service of Process
PAMELA HOEFFLIN
149 S BARRINGTON AVE #215
LOS ANGELES, CA 90049

Now this really is a find WOW!!  The doctor was simply imolying through her porter co worker that she believes it is a hoax with a diversion, (get away) made by Michael.
But......, did Dr Hoeflin get sued or is trying to sue Dr Klien ??  Soimething was going on between the two doctors.
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