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A phone call from America

  • on: January 17, 2010, 08:03:34 PM
ok for ages now i have been lurking about posting the odd message but after today i just had to start this thread.
My cousin ***** is a doctor, she has lived in New York all her life, and worked her way up to the position she held at the New York Presbyterian Hospital. I havnt spoke to my cousin for well over 3 years as i live in London so its not like we can just call each other for quick chats. Anyway she called me tonight just to send belated xmas and new year wishes and mentioned that she had relocated to a new better paid position at UCLA. up to this point i was avoiding mentioning Michael, but this was to good a chance to miss, i nearly fell off my chair when i realised she said UCLA i was like WOW i got a family member in THAT hospital. anyway nuff chit chat.
So i asked 'whats the buzz there around Michael'? she answered I dont know how im going to get along with cali weather it's hot here all year. so i asked again 'bet you could get the scoop on what actually whent on that day' she answered 'mmm and not sure i chose the right school for the kids' now its not like my cousin to be coy at all. when i said come on ***** you must know something, she just answered i didnt relocate here till October, it was over and finished well before i came. So i tried another tactic asking her outright 'Do you think as a doctor he is dead or could he have faked it?' Now my cousin is a very respected Doctor in her field but she answered me 'i dont know, honestly, im 50/50. She then whent on to explain somethings to me from a Doctors perspective of what might have happened, things that, i have to be honest if that is what really happened, i could quite easily believe Michael has gone
But it was her last comment that got me, she had said that she had obviously talked about MJ, who wouldnt working there, and nearly ALL the staff she spoke to were reluctant to even mention it, but one porter .. he said 'we all know Michael was an illusionist, the art of a good illusinist is NOT creating the illusion but creating the diversion. I say to you the same last words that porter said to my cousin which were 'Make of that what you will'.
She dropped the subject of MJ as quick as that and whent back to hows the family doing chit chat
It may be nothing it probably is nothing but i wanted to share this with you incase it helps in anyway.
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 17, 2010, 08:05:25 PM
:shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 17, 2010, 08:07:02 PM
That is very interesting! Thanks for sharing.
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 17, 2010, 08:07:59 PM
Quote from: "Suzi~Ses~Its~Right"
ok for ages now i have been lurking about posting the odd message but after today i just had to start this thread.
My cousin ***** is a doctor, she has lived in New York all her life, and worked her way up to the position she held at the New York Presbyterian Hospital. I havnt spoke to my cousin for well over 3 years as i live in London so its not like we can just call each other for quick chats. Anyway she called me tonight just to send belated xmas and new year wishes and mentioned that she had relocated to a new better paid position at UCLA. up to this point i was avoiding mentioning Michael, but this was to good a chance to miss, i nearly fell off my chair when i realised she said UCLA i was like WOW i got a family member in THAT hospital. anyway nuff chit chat.
So i asked 'whats the buzz there around Michael'? she answered I dont know how im going to get along with cali weather it's hot here all year. so i asked again 'bet you could get the scoop on what actually whent on that day' she answered 'mmm and not sure i chose the right school for the kids' now its not like my cousin to be coy at all. when i said come on ***** you must know something, she just answered i didnt relocate here till October, it was over and finished well before i came. So i tried another tactic asking her outright 'Do you think as a doctor he is dead or could he have faked it?' Now my cousin is a very respected Doctor in her field but she answered me 'i dont know, honestly, im 50/50. She then whent on to explain somethings to me from a Doctors perspective of what might have happened, things that, i have to be honest if that is what really happened, i could quite easily believe Michael has gone
But it was her last comment that got me, she had said that she had obviously talked about MJ, who wouldnt working there, and nearly ALL the staff she spoke to were reluctant to even mention it, but one porter .. he said 'we all know Michael was an illusionist, the art of a good illusinist is NOT creating the illusion but creating the diversion. I say to you the same last words that porter said to my cousin which were 'Make of that what you will'.
She dropped the subject of MJ as quick as that and whent back to hows the family doing chit chat
It may be nothing it probably is nothing but i wanted to share this with you incase it helps in anyway.

So what do think?
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 17, 2010, 08:10:32 PM
:shock: odd  :shock:
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 17, 2010, 08:11:47 PM
What do i think? honestly? i dont know what to think, my cousin seemed unusually coy as to not answer any of my questions. But then as a doctor maybe she just didnt want to commit herself to 'gossip' i just really dont know
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Michael to me your not an icon nor a superstar .. your just a boy that this girl fell in love with a very long time ago.

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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 17, 2010, 08:14:48 PM
:o
thankyou so much for this !
they definitely know something we dont ;)
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 17, 2010, 08:16:50 PM
Quote from: "Suzi~Ses~Its~Right"
What do i think? honestly? i dont know what to think, my cousin seemed unusually coy as to not answer any of my questions. But then as a doctor maybe she just didnt want to commit herself to 'gossip' i just really dont know

If it is that hard for you to understand what your cousin meant, it would be impossible for me to understand what she meant... on the account that you know her! But thanks for taking the time to post  :D
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 17, 2010, 08:18:10 PM
I think she was telling you.. without actually telling you ..
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 17, 2010, 08:35:12 PM
I think your cousin is the position of everyone even remotely knowing something.  First off,
they cannot jeopardize the jobs, and second, even if they want to say something that
they speculate on,,, maybe they afraid that one of us will post on this FORUM, and include
their names. god-forbid, they see their names or a mis-quote appear here!   :o    :)
It hurts the investigation, because if I talk with anyone even half-way credible, I don't
feel I can say anything other than "someone" or a "friend". Unless there was to get their permission
to quote on any forum.  Now I see why news-tabloids always say "a source"...especially when speculation. even if that speculation is Very close to FACT.
Hope this makes some sense.   :geek:
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 17, 2010, 08:36:34 PM
I doubt and do not believe any employee of the UCLA did not see anything strange on June 25. It is impossible that nobody saw or heard anything strange that day. There is no video and picture from inside the UCLA at the time that Michael is there. A picture or video of Michael in the UCLA (and the pictures of the autopsy as well) would be worth a lot of money... millions.  :(  The person would not lose time to sell to tabloids. If there were pictures or videos would have been released long ago.

I think if someone UCLA saw something strange, maybe will not speak out of fear.
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 17, 2010, 08:40:23 PM
would you like to share with us what was her view on his death if its okay with you or can we discuss it  by sending pm to eachother  if you  think  its very hard for others to read?
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 17, 2010, 08:54:22 PM
I can post her thoeries as long as some people understand that this is no way factual or even close to a clue that she may know something.
Ok she personally does not believe Murry is a qualified cardiologist but thats just her personal opinion.
if and that is a very big IF it is true that murry administered Propofol to MJ then it was wrong from the very start, she does not believe the propofol would have killed him had murry been a qulified cardiologist who should as a cardiologist had a broad knowledge of that drug, if the death is true, then you have a man with little medical knowledge of anaesthetic type drug supplying MJ without the right medical eqipment, even the small amount murrey claims to have given him, could have killed him in the hands of an unproffesional. like she said Propofol is one of the safest drugs used in a hospital. plus the cocktail of drugs murrey claims to have given MJ in that night she said no doctor would risk giving any patient such a leathal concoction well no qualified doctor would. Its hard for me to put it the way she did as im not medically trained. but like i said i asked her opinion as a doctor.
summing up she said if Murry is a doctor then no she does not believe MJ has gone. If murrey is a fake with little medical knowledge then yes it's a big possibility. Nothing new there that we dont already know really
hope that makes sense
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 17, 2010, 08:56:17 PM
:shock:  :?  :shock:  :?  :shock:  :?
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 17, 2010, 08:56:54 PM
Quote from: "Chance"
I think she was telling you.. without actually telling you ..

I feel the same way you do, Chance!

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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 17, 2010, 08:59:36 PM
umm okay  , i m  interested about her opinion,  waiting anxiously for your post
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 17, 2010, 10:00:34 PM
Quote from: "Suzi~Ses~Its~Right"
I can post her thoeries as long as some people understand that this is no way factual or even close to a clue that she may know something.
Ok she personally does not believe Murry is a qualified cardiologist but thats just her personal opinion.
if and that is a very big IF it is true that murry administered Propofol to MJ then it was wrong from the very start, she does not believe the propofol would have killed him had murry been a qulified cardiologist who should as a cardiologist had a broad knowledge of that drug, if the death is true, then you have a man with little medical knowledge of anaesthetic type drug supplying MJ without the right medical eqipment, even the small amount murrey claims to have given him, could have killed him in the hands of an unproffesional. like she said Propofol is one of the safest drugs used in a hospital. plus the cocktail of drugs murrey claims to have given MJ in that night she said no doctor would risk giving any patient such a leathal concoction well no qualified doctor would. Its hard for me to put it the way she did as im not medically trained. but like i said i asked her opinion as a doctor.
summing up she said if Murry is a doctor then no she does not believe MJ has gone. If murrey is a fake with little medical knowledge then yes it's a big possibility. Nothing new there that we dont already know really
hope that makes sense

I think your cousin is right and possibly they made sure that all the media knew all the drug cocktail that MJ recieved that night, so any qualified person would come to the conclusion that it was indeed what killed MJ without any further speculation. But it's strange that we could know everything Murray gave to MJ that day and the amount of dosis and all that, but everything that happened in the hospital is so secretive. I think everything is part of the plan.

And on the other side is very strange that nobody, not even one real person, has said anything that happened that day in UCLA. It's not like MJ was in the hospital all by himself, and I think people is afraid to talk maybe after some disclosure contract (?) like the ones actors sign before being in a movie. That if the plot or the details come up to the media they have to pay millions for breaking the contract. Millions that I'm sure any doctor or nurse or any other worker in the hospital can't really pay.
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 17, 2010, 10:22:04 PM
Thanks for sharing.  I think you're cousin is placed in a very awkward position as a staff of UCLA.  Most probably she would want to talk to you, plain conversation like cousin to cousin, but I don't think she can.

If the facts of JUNE 25 were all true, then the conversation would have been like a question and answer thing. But it's obvious that everything should be kept under the hat. No questions/answers to why/how/when/where, but people will just talk about what we/they are fed with through the media.

Thanks again for sharing.
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 17, 2010, 10:43:00 PM
Thanks for your post.  It does lead me to believe that all employees of the hospital were given strict direction they could not comment on anything to do with the day Michael Jackson was brought in.  It sounds like the employees suspect it was a hoax.
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 17, 2010, 11:34:43 PM
That sounds promising.  I think I would probably lose my job if I worked there.Frankly, I KNOW I would.
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 17, 2010, 11:38:17 PM
What I do find odd is that as someone just mentioned if Murray is a true cardiologist..then surley he knew not to give MJ all the other sedatives in addition to the propofol during the time frame he administered them right?  What real experienced cardiologist would even do something like that! THere is noooo way he should have gave MJ those drugs. No way. If he is a fake doctor then definitley he didnt know what the bleep he was doing in the first place..! :evil: But then would MJ even waste his time dealing with a fake doc. when he had access to sleep specialist all over the world? It just doesnt make sense! That is why I am soooo anxious to see the outcome of this case which is dragging on for entirley tooo long.
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 17, 2010, 11:41:36 PM
Murray is a witch doctor.  I'm convinced of that.
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 18, 2010, 01:04:54 AM
:shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :o  :o  :o  :o  :o  :o
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 18, 2010, 01:17:46 AM
Hi - I work in a very well known medical facility (not in California).  We have several high profile patients that we treat regularly (No, I'm not a physician).  There are very strict confidentiality laws in place. Not only Federal and State laws, but also policies for the hospital.  Our IT department monitors patient information to see who's been viewing the information and anyone looking at a person's information without reason will be fired on the spot.  This has even happened. Taking that to UCLA - they probably have the same policies in place which is why everyone is so secretive.  I know this seems odd that nobody would talk but it's possible that only a select few really know what happened and the rest is just speculation. If those select few said what they knew they could be sued big time.  I find it very interesting what the doctor said because of her medical knowledge. And, I find what the porter said to be even more interesting.  Hmmmm....I don't know where to post next bit of info but I was looking at business licenses in California and I stumbled across this one. Notice the date it was filed is October 27, 2009.  I'm not sure what to make of this - any ideas?

LP/LLC
MICHAEL JACKSON AND DR. STEVEN HOEFFLIN, M.D. INNOVATIVE CHILD POVERTY PROGRAM, LLC, THE
Number: 200930110110    Date Filed: 10/27/2009    Status: active
Jurisdiction: CALIFORNIA
Address
149 S BARRINGTON AVE #215
LOS ANGELES, CA 90049
Agent for Service of Process
PAMELA HOEFFLIN
149 S BARRINGTON AVE #215
LOS ANGELES, CA 90049
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 18, 2010, 02:21:08 AM
Hi - I work in a very well known medical facility (not in California).  We have several high profile patients that we treat regularly (No, I'm not a physician).  There are very strict confidentiality laws in place. Not only Federal and State laws, but also policies for the hospital.  Our IT department monitors patient information to see who's been viewing the information and anyone looking at a person's information without reason will be fired on the spot.  This has even happened. Taking that to UCLA - they probably have the same policies in place which is why everyone is so secretive.  I know this seems odd that nobody would talk but it's possible that only a select few really know what happened and the rest is just speculation. If those select few said what they knew they could be sued big time.  I find it very interesting what the doctor said because of her medical knowledge. And, I find what the porter said to be even more interesting.  Hmmmm....I don't know where to post next bit of info but I was looking at business licenses in California and I stumbled across this one. Notice the date it was filed is October 27, 2009.  I'm not sure what to make of this - any ideas?

LP/LLC
MICHAEL JACKSON AND DR. STEVEN HOEFFLIN, M.D. INNOVATIVE CHILD POVERTY PROGRAM, LLC, THE
Number: 200930110110    Date Filed: 10/27/2009    Status: active
Jurisdiction: CALIFORNIA
Address
149 S BARRINGTON AVE #215
LOS ANGELES, CA 90049
Agent for Service of Process
PAMELA HOEFFLIN
149 S BARRINGTON AVE #215
LOS ANGELES, CA 90049

Now this really is a find WOW!!  The doctor was simply imolying through her porter co worker that she believes it is a hoax with a diversion, (get away) made by Michael.
But......, did Dr Hoeflin get sued or is trying to sue Dr Klien ??  Soimething was going on between the two doctors.
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 18, 2010, 02:22:21 AM
Quote from: "voiceforthesilent"
Hi - I work in a very well known medical facility (not in California).  We have several high profile patients that we treat regularly (No, I'm not a physician).  There are very strict confidentiality laws in place. Not only Federal and State laws, but also policies for the hospital.  Our IT department monitors patient information to see who's been viewing the information and anyone looking at a person's information without reason will be fired on the spot.  This has even happened. Taking that to UCLA - they probably have the same policies in place which is why everyone is so secretive.  I know this seems odd that nobody would talk but it's possible that only a select few really know what happened and the rest is just speculation. If those select few said what they knew they could be sued big time.  I find it very interesting what the doctor said because of her medical knowledge. And, I find what the porter said to be even more interesting.  Hmmmm....I don't know where to post next bit of info but I was looking at business licenses in California and I stumbled across this one. Notice the date it was filed is October 27, 2009.  I'm not sure what to make of this - any ideas?

LP/LLC
MICHAEL JACKSON AND DR. STEVEN HOEFFLIN, M.D. INNOVATIVE CHILD POVERTY PROGRAM, LLC, THE
Number: 200930110110    Date Filed: 10/27/2009    Status: active
Jurisdiction: CALIFORNIA
Address
149 S BARRINGTON AVE #215
LOS ANGELES, CA 90049
Agent for Service of Process
PAMELA HOEFFLIN
149 S BARRINGTON AVE #215
LOS ANGELES, CA 90049
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 18, 2010, 06:14:38 AM
Hmm, very interesting that he brought up the subject of illusion. Does everyone really know MJ is a master of illusion? The moonwalk is an illusion but haha seems kinda odd to say.
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 18, 2010, 07:43:37 AM
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Hmm, very interesting that he brought up the subject of illusion. Does everyone really know MJ is a master of illusion? The moonwalk is an illusion but haha seems kinda odd to say.

no, i don't think moonwalk is an illusion. if you learn and practice hard, you'll know how to do it!  ;)
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 18, 2010, 09:51:11 AM
Hello Suzi,
Very good your comment, but I'll say what I think:
The medical profession is very corporate, and moreover there is the ethics, that happens anywhere in the world, after all they follow the rules of the World Health Organization
Now one thing is certain when we have an opportunity to clarify something, we doubt that it is clear that we do not think twice.
Of course if you have started a new job with new team, you will not ask them, you will take time to adapt, local knowledge, and get intimate with the weight, after this happens, then you can start wonder what happened.
If I were in their prime, I would not question whether the doctor actually was Conrad, which he applied, no!
I would on the main point, "Michael really die?", "It is true that the fire alarm rang at the entry of the stretcher in the hospital?" "Someone was in the act of care and resuscitation?"
My friend Suzi, these are the questions that I would do to his cousin, Conrad in relation to whether or not the physician, which it applied or not does not concern us most, because I already know and how much he missed! Only interested in one thing: Michael is alive or dead?
That's all that interests us and we have left after seven months in the never ending search ...
Kisses from Brazil to you! ;)
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 18, 2010, 10:54:06 AM
i work for a bank that has handled several of Michaels accounts and still have some to this day.  The day that he died we had a meeting and we were told that our computers are monitored and if someone goes into his accounts to see how much money he had or to see what is going on with the accounts, we would be fired on the spot.  We have several high profile people who bank with us and they reiterated the same for those other people.  So, if a bank has such high standards regarding high profile accounts.  I can assume they would do the same in hospitals.
But, what keeps the patients from talking.  I mean there was media all over the hospital, even if someone didn't physically see Michael, they would know he was there by tv.  They would be able to see the weirdness around the hospital that day.  They do not sign a confidentiality agreement about what they see.  So, they could talk.  But, I have not seen nor heard anything from any patient that was at the hospital that day.  It is clear to me that they went through a private entrance and escaped through another private entrance.  I dont believe Michael was there getting medical treatment.  It was just a ploy.  If it wasn't people would talk. I know I would if I was a patient there and saw something.
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 18, 2010, 11:09:32 AM
IS THAT MEANS THAT EVERYTHING IS A HOAX INDEED? :D
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 18, 2010, 11:42:53 AM
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I think she was telling you.. without actually telling you ..

exactly!!! she said it all without sayin a word...

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Thanks for sharing. I think you're cousin is placed in a very awkward position as a staff of UCLA. Most probably she would want to talk to you, plain conversation like cousin to cousin, but I don't think she can.

If the facts of JUNE 25 were all true, then the conversation would have been like a question and answer thing. But it's obvious that everything should be kept under the hat. No questions/answers to why/how/when/where, but people will just talk about what we/they are fed with through the media.

Thanks again for sharing.

absolutely!!!
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 18, 2010, 02:22:41 PM
DragonFly Congratulations!
I know that bank is the law of silence that we should not discuss with the customers, and your money is unethical.
In hospitals there is the same thing, but there is always someone that is in it and mete out when the mouth in the world.
Just the other day here in Rio de Janeiro, an artist was admitted to hospital, television has not heard anything, but people who were there, reported.
And that puzzles me is that nobody saw Michael in the hospital, the morgue, the cemetery, nothing.
No one has any photo in the coroner, or Dragon man fivou like that character in the Fantastic Four: Invisible
As much as he has his reasons, I think this has gone beyond!
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 18, 2010, 02:36:36 PM
I had mentioned this previously but I had surgery a little over a yr ago and when my parents called the hospital to find out how I was, they were told they couldnt release any info about me...to MY PARENTS. So, yea, there are VERY strict laws regarding an individuals personal info (medical, bank, etc).

But I agree that its weird that no one has come forward. Even with all the chaos around the hospital that day and no one SAW anything? Thats cus I dont think MJ was even there...or he snuck in somehow..


EDIT....To my knowledge, I dont think he was EVER there. He was down the road at the hotel when Alverez called EMS remember??!!
THAT is why no one saw him...cus he was never there!
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 18, 2010, 02:54:09 PM
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Hmm, very interesting that he brought up the subject of illusion. Does everyone really know MJ is a master of illusion? The moonwalk is an illusion but haha seems kinda odd to say.

I do know when he did Smooth Criminal on stage a diversion was performed to take the audiences attention of him and the dancers so they could slip into the thing-a-ma-bobs they used for the imfamous lean.  Quite effective really.  ;)
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 18, 2010, 03:41:47 PM
Totally agree, guys!
How many things can you learn from just a phone call  :lol:
Do you remember that we had the same questions about the O2 conf.
When someone from the audience would give a picture, a video or something ,
until finally someone did it .
But here 7 months later and ...nothing !!
Are we sure that the clinic in UCLA wasn't about  deaf or blind people ? :lol:
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 18, 2010, 03:51:05 PM
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I do know when he did Smooth Criminal on stage a diversion was performed to take the audiences attention of him and the dancers so they could slip into the thing-a-ma-bobs they used for the imfamous lean.  Quite effective really.  ;)

YES, my first thought about the porters illusion/diversion statement was, all the reports and hoopla at the hospital was the diversion so he could slip away onto a plane destination unknown...
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 18, 2010, 10:52:09 PM
From what I know Dr Hoefflin is MJ's old plastic surgeon.  He and Dr Klein do not like each other and have some kind of suit and counter suit going on - I think mostly a slander type suit.  But isn't it interesting that Dr Hoefflin filed a business license in October 2009 and Michael Jackson is the co-owner of the LLC? Wouldn't he need to be alive in order to sign papers?  If he were dead, wouldn't the estate be the legal co-owner?  I don't know much about business but I find this strange.  What's not strange is that I could see Michael being involved in a business like this.  I'm under the belief that Michael has a vested interest in a lot of businesses that we don't even know about. Was he broke - highly doubtful.  Remember, when Michael gets sued, they are suing a company, not Michael personally.
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 19, 2010, 04:31:54 AM
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I do know when he did Smooth Criminal on stage a diversion was performed to take the audiences attention of him and the dancers so they could slip into the thing-a-ma-bobs they used for the imfamous lean.  Quite effective really.  ;)

YES, my first thought about the porters illusion/diversion statement was, all the reports and hoopla at the hospital was the diversion so he could slip away onto a plane destination unknown...

I agree too. I am not surprised at the silence of the hospital staff...but it's everyone else's silence that boggles my mind. I have watched hours and hours of YouTube videos showing the people at/around UCLA that day. Seriously a LOT of people. I've seen news footage, fan footage, passersby footage, and anything in between. Granted, security/police were keeping most people out, but some did get in, and there were patients and visitors there too. Someone HAD to see or hear something! I have also searched, and continue to search, blogs and websites for anything related to UCLA on June 25th...all I've seen was what someone else posted here about the EMT or whatever whose wife blogged a little about that day. But I haven't seen anything else. You can't tell me that in a hospital of that size, with all the patients and visitors there that day, that somebody...at least ONE person...didn't see or hear SOMETHING and then blog about it or post it somewhere on line! I just don't see how that's possible.
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 19, 2010, 08:33:39 AM
Thanx really for this great info,it's obviously too odd that neither the hospital stuff nor any patient talks about that big event,there is not a single photo of him in UCLA,if he were there somene would take a photo of him,it would cost millions,it's great that even some UCLA doctors doubt about his death.If Michael was indeed dead,everyone in UCLA would be sure of it and would confirm it without any doubt instead of sayin' 50/50 or it might be illusion.So about moonwalk,if one tries very very hard he can somehow manage to do it,but in "Livin' with Michael Jackson"documentary,when Mike was teachin' Bashir to moonwalk,and Bashir said that it's too difficult,M.J. answered that it's A GREAT ILLUSION, and he likes  illusions very much,again thank u for posting this info.
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 19, 2010, 08:55:13 AM
Thanks for sharing ;)
He is a great illusionist, indeed  ;) the biggest illusion of all is to make believe the world he was dead; can you imagine a bigger one than that?! 8-)
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 19, 2010, 01:30:58 PM
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Thanx really for this great info,it's obviously too odd that neither the hospital stuff nor any patient talks about that big event,there is not a single photo of him in UCLA,if he were there somene would take a photo of him,it would cost millions,it's great that even some UCLA doctors doubt about his death.If Michael was indeed dead,everyone in UCLA would be sure of it and would confirm it without any doubt instead of sayin' 50/50 or it might be illusion.So about moonwalk,if one tries very very hard he can somehow manage to do it,but in "Livin' with Michael Jackson"documentary,when Mike was teachin' Bashir to moonwalk,and Bashir said that it's too difficult,M.J. answered that it's A GREAT ILLUSION, and he likes  illusions very much,again thank u for posting this info.

It is as if the hospital was awaiting Michael in to the hospital and cleard all patients out or something... Even if Michael did die a patiant would come foreward and at least talk about the family at the hospital or somebody would complain about the mubo jumbo around the hospital... Somebody would atleast come forward to talk about how he or she felt when she heard Michael dead in the room next to him or her... Even if it was ER or something, people are there all the time patients would have seen something... This is very strange indeed!
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 19, 2010, 04:37:08 PM
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What do i think? honestly? i dont know what to think, my cousin seemed unusually coy as to not answer any of my questions. But then as a doctor maybe she just didnt want to commit herself to 'gossip' i just really dont know


Maybe she had to sign a contract not to talk about Michael Jackson....just a thought
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 20, 2010, 09:08:42 AM
to See

Absolutely agree,they say that doctors are not allowed to talk about the patient's death.I don't think so,they may not be allowed to speak about their illnesses or give private info about it,but we are speakin' about a person's death,in this case the most famous artist's "death",Is it so hard for them to say"yes he died,it's horrible but M.J. is dead cause of cardiac arrest" ?but instead they stay humble,it's too obvious that they were told to keep their mouths shut cause he is not dead.If Michael were really dead there would be at least a person from the staff or pasients who would take the photo of him and sell it ,it would cost millions,it's human nature,but instead nothing.It once more proves thet Michael is definitely alive and AMEN to that.
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 20, 2010, 09:52:52 AM
Thanks so much for sharing. This is very uplifting at the moment.
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 20, 2010, 10:05:59 AM
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Hmm, very interesting that he brought up the subject of illusion. Does everyone really know MJ is a master of illusion? The moonwalk is an illusion but haha seems kinda odd to say.

no, i don't think moonwalk is an illusion. if you learn and practice hard, you'll know how to do it!  ;)

Actually the moonwalk is an illusion. It's not "fake" but it is considered an illusion. It looks as though the person is sliding or gliding magically across the floor but it's really just a shift in body weight. Like all "illusions", it's easier to do than it looks. Even Michael refers to it as an illusion in his video "Jam" when he's teaching Michael Jordan how to dance.

I'm a dancer, not pro or anything but I've been in dance most my life, and the moonwalk was the one move I just HAD to learn. Turns out, it isn't that hard when you understand "how" it's done and then do it. All dancing takes practice but the moonwalk is hopeless if you don't understand the illusion.

Michael loves magic and working with magicians. Even if he didn't make a living as an illusionist, I'm sure he studied the art just like he studied all kinds of other things he loved.
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 20, 2010, 10:52:51 AM
Thanks for sharing,
  I don't know about everyone's else's take on MJ having died on June 25th. I never believed it for one minute. MJ is more alive now than he ever was. I have one question to ask? If MJ had really died then why is everybody so hush! hush! about it? I'll tell you why! Because he isn't dead. Why the reluctancy? I don't buy for one second that it has to do with the investigation either. Since when does an investigation causes the entire world to keep their mouths shut? I just hope MJ doesn't get backlash when he returns. Keep the Faith! :D
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 20, 2010, 11:03:46 AM
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Hmm, very interesting that he brought up the subject of illusion. Does everyone really know MJ is a master of illusion? The moonwalk is an illusion but haha seems kinda odd to say.

no, i don't think moonwalk is an illusion. if you learn and practice hard, you'll know how to do it!  ;)

Actually the moonwalk is an illusion. It's not "fake" but it is considered an illusion. It looks as though the person is sliding or gliding magically across the floor but it's really just a shift in body weight. Like all "illusions", it's easier to do than it looks. Even Michael refers to it as an illusion in his video "Jam" when he's teaching Michael Jordan how to dance.

I'm a dancer, not pro or anything but I've been in dance most my life, and the moonwalk was the one move I just HAD to learn. Turns out, it isn't that hard when you understand "how" it's done and then do it. All dancing takes practice but the moonwalk is hopeless if you don't understand the illusion.

Michael loves magic and working with magicians. Even if he didn't make a living as an illusionist, I'm sure he studied the art just like he studied all kinds of other things he loved.

Yes, you are absolutely right - the Moonwalk is indeed an illusion, albeit a very clever one.
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 20, 2010, 11:28:40 AM
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i work for a bank that has handled several of Michaels accounts and still have some to this day.  The day that he died we had a meeting and we were told that our computers are monitored and if someone goes into his accounts to see how much money he had or to see what is going on with the accounts, we would be fired on the spot.  We have several high profile people who bank with us and they reiterated the same for those other people.  So, if a bank has such high standards regarding high profile accounts.  I can assume they would do the same in hospitals.
But, what keeps the patients from talking.  I mean there was media all over the hospital, even if someone didn't physically see Michael, they would know he was there by tv.  They would be able to see the weirdness around the hospital that day.  They do not sign a confidentiality agreement about what they see.  So, they could talk.  But, I have not seen nor heard anything from any patient that was at the hospital that day.  It is clear to me that they went through a private entrance and escaped through another private entrance.  I dont believe Michael was there getting medical treatment.  It was just a ploy.  If it wasn't people would talk. I know I would if I was a patient there and saw something.






I have to agree with this in SO many ways!  I will back up your point by saying that my father was president for over 40 years of a bank here in Miami. He ran the account and trust of the THE BEE GEES during their time of most fame and up until 3 years ago when he retired. NOT ONCE - DID WE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THEIR ACCOUNT AND THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THEY HAD. NOT ONCE.

So yes, the code of silence stands. And as far as the hospital, I could not agree with you more. They can be quiet. But you are going to tell me that every single patient that was there remained quite? No one spoke out? No one gave an account of what they witnessed the day MJ " died" ?   Come on! He was obviously in and out. It was an illusion or he was not there at all.
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 20, 2010, 03:24:57 PM
It just makes me wonder, that nobody, NOBODY confirms, that he was there.....I mean it still makes go think like "WTF?" when I think about that fact, that no doctor or spokesperson of the hospital made an official statement....Then it would be much easier for them and they wouldn't be asked that much about him being there...( sorry for grammar)
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Re: A phone call from America

  • on: January 20, 2010, 04:21:36 PM
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MICHAEL JACKSON AND DR. STEVEN HOEFFLIN, M.D. INNOVATIVE CHILD POVERTY PROGRAM, LLC, THE
Number: 200930110110    Date Filed: 10/27/2009    Status: active
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Where did you find that? Do you have a link?
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