a bit far fetched, BUT maybe he became really a muslim

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a bit far fetched, BUT maybe he became really a muslim

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I know this might be not logical for some of you guyz, but we are searching for the truths and for every point which could show us what really happened on Jun 25, 2009.

Well here is a article about Jermaine saying maybe Mike is a muslim in his soul. We don´t really know which religion MJ has, but maybe this is the reason why he did not continue to do the concerts. We know MJ can be very spontaneous.

Well, I don´t know what to say about the whole article, but this COULD be a clue as well.

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I got this from another board:


MUSLIM WORLD: King of Pop was about to convert to Islam, Michael Jackson's brother says



Michael's Jackson's brother Jermaine Jackson reached out to the Muslim world in a long, controversial interview with the Dubai-based pan-Arab news channel Al-Arabiya aired Thursday night.

See below the jump for the videos of the interview, Jermaine Jackson's first ever with an Arab news network.

During his nearly hourlong talk, he spoke out about his brother's death, the conspiracies he believed were behind the singer's downfall -- and how he believes the King of Pop was on the verge of converting to Islam.

After spending time in the Gulf (Michael Jackson lived in Bahrain for a while in 2005), "Michael hired a team that was all Muslim,” Jackson told Al- Arabiya, dressed in a red Arab Keffeyeh scarf. “His behavior at the time also showed that he was very close to converting.”
Jackson went on to recount to Arab households how the King of Pop was drawn by Islam, saying his brother loved hearing the Muslim call to prayer and eagerly read books on Islam. Jackson said Islam would have protected his brother from harm.

"I felt that Michael was looking for that divine feeling .... I brought him books from Saudi Arabia and Bahrain, from a lot of mosques. He read all of them. He was studying ... he was ready to make that journey. His protection would have been Islam ... he had a very tough life," he said.

When asked by his interviewer whether Michael Jackson ever suggested that he would convert, Jackson implied his brother may have been a Muslim in his heart.
"I wished he would have made that announcement. Maybe he made it in his soul ... but at the same time we want to hear it," he said.

He added that the amount of time Michael spent in the Middle East and the number of friends he had there also indicated he had embraced Islam.


Jermaine Jackson, a composer and former member of the Jackson 5, himself developed an interest in Islam during a trip to the Persian Gulf in the late 1980s and later became a Muslim. When asked to share his travels with the viewers, he said he "never felt a connection" until he became a Muslim and how he believes his ancestors were Muslims and that Christianity was imposed on them through slavery.
At one point, he explains his emotional and spiritual journey in his pilgrimage to Mecca, Saudi Arabia.



"We drove from Bahrain to Riyadh (the capital of Saudi Arabia) and then took a flight to Mecca. It was the most wonderful feeling. It felt so pure, so special. I knew that was the connection," said Jackson.

He only wishes his brother had followed his example and become a Muslim too. Islam, says Jackson, would have saved the King of Pop from many hardships.

"I believe that Islam would have helped him a lot. Had he converted, he would have been spared all the problems he had been subjected to throughout his life," he said.

-- Alexandra Sandels in Beirut

Photo: In his first interview with an Arab TV channel, Michael Jackson's brother Jermaine Jackson told the Arab news network Al-Arabiya that he believes the King of Pop was on the verge of converting to Islam. Credit: Al-Arabiya

Videos: The interview in three parts. Credit: YouTube
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/baby...-arab-new.html
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Hmmm...

His words are kind of...  evasive.

Maybe MJ did but didn't want to announce it or have it announced?

I don't know.
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this article freaked me out when i read the headline but then i read the article and it ticked me off.

I really have never liked to voice anything against Jermaine since I love Mj and I don't wanna speak ill of his family but i can't stand Jermaine.

#1 Jermaine wants attention. He is speaking to Arabic media.

#2 Michael always spoke of Jesus and God. Michael always said God Bless you. though Michael may have distanced himself from the Jehovahs witnesses, it does not mean Michael no longer believed in Jesus as his Savior.

#3 Just because michael liked to read the material that Jermaine brought him didnt mean anything either. There is alot of stuff I've read pertaining to the Koran, and also material that a friend showed me that he receieved from Muslims that were trying convert him, that has been really interesting but I don't believe in any of it.

#4 Michael never came out and said it and there is no evidence of his conversion so can't say I would put too much stock into what Jermaine says. :roll:  can't stand that guy.

please don't misunderstand me, Lady J I am not directing any of my criticism towards you. Love to all.
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Jermaine wanted Michael to convert too, but he never did. Muslims do not use the word 'God' just like Crescendo said. The Sun came with the story that he became a Muslim, and we all know the Sun  ;)
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Speaking of God & Jesus are still compatible with being Muslim.

I know Muslims who say "God" and they believe in Jesus, but not the same way Christians do.

The main reason why I think it's possible is because they can keep things secret when they want to.

Like how Janet was married to Renee for 10 years but no one knew until they got divorced!  :shock:

So if MJ did become Muslim but didn't want it to be publicized I'm sure they & he could keep it a secret.

But that wouldn't stop Jermaine from spilling at least some of the beans since he always wanted MJ to be Muslim anyway.  :lol:

I guess for me it's the same as with the rest of this hoax - I don't have solid proof either way, so I keep an open mind.   ;)
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Jermaine wanted Michael to convert too, but he never did. Muslims do not use the word 'God' just like Crescendo said. The Sun came with the story that he became a Muslim, and we all know the Sun

Exactly. As far as I know A Muslim always uses the word Allah ,not just God .
Also I wondered about 2 things.
#1 maybe Jermaine wanted  the attention by implying that he was the "inspirational leader" to  Michael .
#2 Was that another attempt to destroy Michael's image as the media have create a a bad opinion to the most people about the Islam ?

I wonder  :?:
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Jermaine wanted Michael to convert too, but he never did. Muslims do not use the word 'God' just like Crescendo said. The Sun came with the story that he became a Muslim, and we all know the Sun

Exactly. As far as I know A Muslim always uses the word Allah ,not just God .
Also I wondered about 2 things.
#1 maybe Jermaine wanted  the attention by implying that he was the "inspirational leader" to  Michael .
#2 Was that another attempt to destroy Michael's image as the media have create a a bad opinion to the most people about the Islam ?

I wonder  :?:

I have no idea... You'll never know what Jermaine's intentions were/are... All I can say that he doesn't give me a good feeling...
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This has circulated around the net and has generated some discussion. Some fans are adamant in believing that MJ did not convert. Some fans are considering that it was possible. Personally, I don't care one way or the other. I am not a follower of any particular organized religion so I am open to the positive teachings of all of them.

Would MJ fans be turned off if he had actually converted? Would his private religious beliefs determine how people viewed the man? When the Jackson 5 were introduced there was no discussions of them being members of the Jehovah Witness religion. Maybe that was done on purpose by the Motown publicists so that fans wouldn't judge them based on what and who they worshipped.
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Quote from: "KINGdom52"
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Jermaine wanted Michael to convert too, but he never did. Muslims do not use the word 'God' just like Crescendo said. The Sun came with the story that he became a Muslim, and we all know the Sun

Exactly. As far as I know A Muslim always uses the word Allah ,not just God .
Also I wondered about 2 things.
#1 maybe Jermaine wanted  the attention by implying that he was the "inspirational leader" to  Michael .
#2 Was that another attempt to destroy Michael's image as the media have create a a bad opinion to the most people about the Islam ?

I wonder  :?:


To the underlined -  "Allah" is the Arabic proper name for "God."  Christians and Jews who speak Arabic also call God, "Allah."  So it's not exclusive to Muslims.  

And every person that I know who is a native English speaker and has become Muslim still uses "God" and "Allah" interchangeably...

I agree that suggesting that Michael had become Muslim could be used to create a bad opinion about him and Islam.  All Muslims are already being portrayed in the media as terrorists(even though it's not true), and Michael was already being portrayed as a weirdo and pedophile(also not true).  So it would have been a media hey day if Michael was confirmed to have converted.

It's also a reason why I think, if he did convert, he would have kept it to himself.
1) to prevent further attacks against him
2) to prevent further attacks agains the religion that he chose(if he chose it)
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Would MJ fans be turned off if he had actually converted? Would his private religious beliefs determine how people viewed the man?


Judging by how defensive some posters get on this and other forums when it's even suggested, I'd say, "YES!"   :roll:

I guess some people can only like him if he's Christian.
Or maybe they can overlook him being a Jehova's Witness, but being a Muslim is unforgiveable...
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Quote from: "GirlSaturday"
This has circulated around the net and has generated some discussion. Some fans are adamant in believing that MJ did not convert. Some fans are considering that it was possible. Personally, I don't care one way or the other. I am not a follower of any particular organized religion so I am open to the positive teachings of all of them.

Would MJ fans be turned off if he had actually converted? Would his private religious beliefs determine how people viewed the man? When the Jackson 5 were introduced there was no discussions of them being members of the Jehovah Witness religion. Maybe that was done on purpose by the Motown publicists so that fans wouldn't judge them based on what and who they worshipped.

I really don't mind which religion he follows. IMO everyone on earth is equivalent to each other.
I will never judge a person because of his religion.
But I just think he didn't convert  ;)
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well  we will never get to know about it ITS BETWEEN HIM AND GOD  SO LET IT BE a
      by the way i use the word God all the time  n i m Muslim,
         Jehova,God ,Allah ,Bhagwan are the same .as long as they are directed towards someone above us  

     few things in memorial you all missed , have you noticed when we are the world was playing , signs from every religion was displayed at the background , mj doesnt belong to any specific race, religion , he is about LOVE  
       such topics were posted before and it become a dispute , few members become very upset and furious ,coz religion is very very sensitive matter to everyone , lets drop this topic and  pray for him together, he is  truely a gift from Heaven .  

 @ lady j thankyou for your post ,Godbless u take care
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MJ is always about embracing all races, sexual orientations, religions, etc. And we all know he loves to learn about everything, including religions, and it's very likely that he was very curious about the Islam, considering that he was living in a islamic country. It won't turn me off or make me stop loving him if he convert to it, but sadly I think this is another publicity stunt being played by Jermaine who wants that everybody in the arab world thinks he was the King's savior by turning him a Muslim. We all know what's he capable of, if he turned his back on MJ and started talking crap just to sell a few copies of his crappy CD, it won't surprise me anymore if he's just playing with the audience.
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virgo75 wrote; To the underlined - "Allah" is the Arabic proper name for "God." Christians and Jews who speak Arabic also call God, "Allah." So it's not exclusive to Muslims.

And every person that I know who is a native English speaker and has become Muslim still uses "God" and "Allah" interchangeably...

I agree that suggesting that Michael had become Muslim could be used to create a bad opinion about him and Islam. All Muslims are already being portrayed in the media as terrorists(even though it's not true), and Michael was already being portrayed as a weirdo and pedophile(also not true). So it would have been a media hey day if Michael was confirmed to have converted.

It's also a reason why I think, if he did convert, he would have kept it to himself.
1) to prevent further attacks against him
2) to prevent further attacks agains the religion that he chose(if he chose it)
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Jermaine wanted Michael to convert too, but he never did. Muslims do not use the word 'God' just like Crescendo said. The Sun came with the story that he became a Muslim, and we all know the Sun

Exactly. As far as I know A Muslim always uses the word Allah ,not just God .
Also I wondered about 2 things.
#1 maybe Jermaine wanted the attention by implying that he was the "inspirational leader" to Michael .
#2 Was that another attempt to destroy Michael's image as the media have create a a bad opinion to the most people about the Islam ?

I wonder :?:


To the underlined - "Allah" is the Arabic proper name for "God." Christians and Jews who speak Arabic also call God, "Allah." So it's not exclusive to Muslims.

And every person that I know who is a native English speaker and has become Muslim still uses "God" and "Allah" interchangeably...

I agree that suggesting that Michael had become Muslim could be used to create a bad opinion about him and Islam. All Muslims are already being portrayed in the media as terrorists(even though it's not true), and Michael was already being portrayed as a weirdo and pedophile(also not true). So it would have been a media hey day if Michael was confirmed to have converted.

It's also a reason why I think, if he did convert, he would have kept it to himself.
1) to prevent further attacks against him
2) to prevent further attacks agains the religion that he chose(if he chose it)

I agree with what you say, personally I'm not interested in that religion is Michael and the people of this forum that is a very personal decision for each person, and if it is true every day the media are telling people that all Muslims are terrorists and we know for what purpose, Which is a lie, I know people of Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and not terrorists. ;)

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I'm getting kinda off topic, but it makes my heart ache so bad when people say Muslims are terrorists. This is a lie that the media created about an entire religion. I'm a Muslim and i know how pure this religion is, Islam's main intention is peace and only PEACE. An entire race has to go through the things similar to what Michael had to go through too. Why are some of you going crazy about Michael converting to Islam? This is so insulting... :( i love Michael cause he's Michael, i didn't hate him cause he was a jehova's witness or a christian, why would any fan turn their back if he is a Muslim now? Nothing is proved yet, so let's just have an open mind. People should not keep on trying to prove he didn't convert cause sometimes it sounds insulting to us the Muslims and it's neither like those nasty rumors about him that we have to protest. Converting to Islam is NOTHING wrong. And i just want to make it clear that i'm not trying to prove he converted. I don't care if he's a jehova's witness or a Muslim.
P.S. I am a Muslim and most of the times i say God rather than Allah so that does not make sense.
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As far as i know a muslim isn't buried....its burned right?
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:(

It really hurts me to see how everybody is reacting like it's a bad thing if Michael did convert to Islam. I'm a Muslim myself and if Michael would convert to another religion other then the Islam I would never say hurtful things about that other religion as I could hurt the believers of that religion.
I thought we as Michael fans would understand that the diversity in people and cultures is a beautiful thing because of the way we can learn from each other to grow as a individual.

I also noticed that some are reacting with a big lack of knowledge of the Islam. For example; that Muslims don't say 'God' but only 'Allah'. That's not true! Allah is the Arabic word for God. So muslims can call the Almighty 'God' or 'Allah', it doesn't really mather how you call Him.
We also DO believe in Jesus, peace and blessings be upon him. Not as the son of God but as one of the most important prophets.
And one other thing: we do say 'God bless'

I just wanted to set some things straight  ;)


@Le Papillon Bleu,
Nope cremation is forbidden in Islam, only burials are allowed.  ;)
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Nope cremation is forbidden in Islam, only burials are allowed.  ;)
Thanx 4 the info ;)
If Michael converted i don't think it's a bad thing as long as he finds his inner peace.
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I am a muslim woman and I really get offended when I see the reactions of some people when it comes to Islam and Michael's possible conversion. It's a kind of reaction of rejection as Islam was a bad thing and I don't understand it.
It just prooves once again that the media brainwashing works very well. Muslims = Terrorists.  Is that the true equation ? No, of course.
Come on what brought us here ? Love ?  Why all these prejudices against Muslims ? It would be good to learn some things about this religion. We also believe in Jesus, he is very respected in our religion. All the prophets are respected and recognized from Abraham to Mohammed. We make no difference between them so there is no contradiction in Michael's speech when it comes to faith. The message of God is unique and universal and Islam do not depart from the rule. We're all brothers and sisters and we must love each other.

I don't know if Michael converted, we have no proof, but if he did I would understand why he kept it secret.  It just makes me sad.

God Bless You
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Michael was spiritual.. i dont think he belonged to one organised religion.

To me it doesnt matter what "religion" MJ chose to follow...
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I KNEW this post will end like that , now  i m losing my patience its just too much , plz show some respect to eachother religions .
                                i request the moderators to lock this NOW
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I KNEW this post will end like that , now  i m losing my patience its just too much , plz show some respect to eachother religions .
                                i request the moderators to lock this NOW

Its the dinner party golden rule...  never discuss religion or politics!
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dancing the dreams,,,,, exactly  ....
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Im muslim and it doesn't matter what religion Michael chose he was a jehovas witness and I still loved him, I didn't care so for all you insecure people that like Michael other then for himself your not a real fan, if he read this thread he would be so ashamed that people were angry he embraced another religion
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Michael knocking out the media one day at a time lool

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Sarahli , s right when he says that the media have done a fine job, removing words from my mouth, the bias by God, every person is free to belong to a religion they want, any religion oblige anyone to kill or be a terrorist That is the they have invented excuses to be invading countries, and sorry that I was not the issue, but that is the reality :evil:

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Jermaine wanted Michael to convert too, but he never did. Muslims do not use the word 'God' just like Crescendo said. The Sun came with the story that he became a Muslim, and we all know the Sun

Exactly. As far as I know A Muslim always uses the word Allah ,not just God .
Also I wondered about 2 things.
#1 maybe Jermaine wanted  the attention by implying that he was the "inspirational leader" to  Michael .
#2 Was that another attempt to destroy Michael's image as the media have create a a bad opinion to the most people about the Islam ?

I wonder  :?:

sorry i disagree with "A Muslim always uses the world Allah, not just God" .
usually we use "God" words too .. and sometimes i say "God Bless You"
But when Michael really ever come to Mecca .. I guess he is Maybe a Muslim
but i don't know ..
that's his personal connection with God ..
i think it's none our bussiness
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no this is not far fetched...i posted a topic about his relationship with farrakan and I also read that his secruity were all from the nation of islam also. Jermaine has said numerous times for allah to be with him and thats his brother so if he knew that he embraced islam that could be reason also

and to add to the comment about not saying he was muslim because of bad press, i also agree, plus black muslim get a bad rap

but of course mj could only be christian :roll: and him converting to islam is
'bad" :roll:

and like other have pointed out muslims also say God, in the movie slumdog village Salim says "God is good" right before he dies so there goes the theory he is not muslim because he says "god bless"  :lol:  :lol:

and even thought people think that jermaine wants attention I agree with his theory on blacks and islam. Being black i also have always leaned towards islam. African americans also name there kids arbic names all the time.i.e Jamal,aisha,aaliyah ect and some dont even realize it. i think that is is something sub concious that attracts blacks to islam and arbic culture.
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Now this is nice!  This same topic was posted before and some people were so hostile about the topic.  I just want to say how amazing everyone sounds in this thread.  One of my main theories that I have posted about was this issue.  I posted about a possible connection between cat stevens and MJ.  It was reported that Cat Stevens (now Yusef Islam) was present at this conversion, something he later denied.  After MJ died, he came out with a cryptic tribute song on youtube.  Not only that but one of his statements he made on his website about MJ passing, call attention to the fact that he just found out Jackson's middle name was Joseph...it was out of place and added at the end like an after thought.  That got me to thinking he was saying something about Joseph...the story of Joseph...Joseph is believed to be dead by his father, only he is alive and well.  Then there is the story of Cat Stevens.  In the 70's he left fame and fortune and the stage for Islam.  His fans turned against him and had an album burning.  If MJ left his career for Islam, I'm sure he learned a lesson from Cat Stevens.  I'm sure if he did convert he would keep it private and maybe he is just away for a while after all....Like Joseph.
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I have no way to know, because it is not the word of Michael.
Muslims say God. Allah means God in arabic and some Christians say the word that way too. Muslims believe in Jesus, just they don't believe He is Son of God, but one of the prophets.
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if michael turned blue with pink spots it wouldnt worry me i,d still support him if he turned muslim dosnt make no difference to me does it matter what religion anyone of us are in the world as long as we respect each others beliefs thats what i trully think love to all  :D
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I respect people's choice. Following a religion or not is often a choice.
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I don't care what religion a person is as long as they are a good person..

What about his children where do they fit in ????
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I couldn't give a fig what religion Michael was, but since Jermaine always says MJ was on his way to converting to Islam, that tells me he must not have.  Plus I've heard Michael say a few times, after he left the JW's, that he still believes in "Jehovah God".  I'm not sure if there is a distinction, but it sounds like he still held those beliefs.  Anyway, is there any significance to the hoax with this line of thinking?
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btw I'm not trying to be disrespectful towards muslims. I believe in live, and let live. I'm not a muslim but i understand some are.

All Im sayin is I don't believe Michael was a muslim because there was no hard evidence to prove it. Other than the picture that he's dressed as an arabic woman which is probably becuase Michael did not want to be recognized. I don't see any proof exccept from what the Sun has reported to us. Its hard to prove whats in a person's heart.

Muslims don't believe in Jesus as the messiah so why would they mention him as Michael did?

as for the staff Michael hired, how would jermaine know who Michael hired as his associates and employees? Michael also hung out with the likes of Uri Gellar and Shmuley Boteach which were Jews. Michael hung out with EVERYONE. and hired EVERYONE and ANYONE. No matter color, race or religion.

and Jermaine has said before that he was Michael's "back bone" :roll: OMG.. I couldn't believe that. Just like Latoya said that Michael liked to watch Dancing with the stars. Yeah I'm sure Michael loved dancing and loved to watch others dance but how would Latoya know that Michael liked the show? She did not live with them and I got the impression that Michael hadn't seen his family in a longggggg time though his relatives said they saw him right before June 25th. I just get the impression that him and his family were a bit estranged.

I also think Michael was spiritually "wandering" after he distanced himself from the jehovahs witnesses. He would have read the torah if someone gave it to him. He would read the book of mormon if someone gave it to him.
I do believe Michael was very "vunerable" like Aphrodite's book says. Michael was not a "no" man. He did not tell people no. Watch the auditions in this is it.

as well as Michael loving and thinkin of his mother as a saint, I'm not sure if he'd distance himself too much from the JW beliefs. Not saying he couldn't because i know there are some who stop believing in what theyre parents taught them but I just bring that up as an example.

I'm a Christian. and I love Michael. If michael converted to islam, I wouldn't agree with it and that would make me very very sad. But I still love him.
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I'm a Christian. and I love Michael. If michael converted to islam, I wouldn't agree with it and that would make me very very sad. But I still love him.
Crescendo, I think you stated your beliefs in a very fair statement.  You were not hurtful.  You mentioned something about Jesus, and I know this is not the place to talk about religion, but we all know how important religion and spirituality was in MJ's life, as well as in his many fans lives.  I want to tell you, the story of Jesus's miraculous virgin birth, to Mary, can be found in the Qu'ran.  It is believed in Islam, that Jesus came to the Jews, just like in Christianity, and that by Gods leave, he preformed many miracles.  Including and not limited to curing the lepers, raising the dead, healing the blind.  Muslims give Jesus the name in the Quran, "The Messiah", which means the anointed one.  Muslims believe that on the day Jesus was to be crucified, he was taken up to Heaven and will return to Earth to destroy the false Masiah and rule in justice...Just as the Christians believe.  Our beliefs are not too different.  Islam teaches that before the Quran, there was the Torah and Moses and the Gospel and Jesus...in that order...and both are sacred texts.  Islam came to re establish the original teachings of Christianity and Judaism, in that there is ONLY one God.  In that sense, Islam does not make the claim that Jesus is God.  Our relationship with God is one on one with no intercessor, be they Jesus or a priest or nun.  I can assure you, there is nothing to be sad about if MJ ever chose to convert to this Religion.  Often, people who convert are happier, more at piece, more active in society and helping of others and over all better people as many families can attest to.
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I'm a Christian. and I love Michael. If michael converted to islam, I wouldn't agree with it and that would make me very very sad. But I still love him.
Crescendo, I think you stated your beliefs in a very fair statement.  You were not hurtful.  You mentioned something about Jesus, and I know this is not the place to talk about religion, but we all know how important religion and spirituality was in MJ's life, as well as in his many fans lives.  I want to tell you, the story of Jesus's miraculous virgin birth, to Mary, can be found in the Qu'ran.  It is believed in Islam, that Jesus came to the Jews, just like in Christianity, and that by Gods leave, he preformed many miracles.  Including and not limited to curing the lepers, raising the dead, healing the blind.  Muslims give Jesus the name in the Quran, "The Messiah", which means the anointed one.  Muslims believe that on the day Jesus was to be crucified, he was taken up to Heaven and will return to Earth to destroy the false Masiah and rule in justice...Just as the Christians believe.  Our beliefs are not too different.  Islam teaches that before the Quran, there was the Torah and Moses and the Gospel and Jesus...in that order...and both are sacred texts.  Islam came to re establish the original teachings of Christianity and Judaism, in that there is ONLY one God.  In that sense, Islam does not make the claim that Jesus is God.  Our relationship with God is one on one with no intercessor, be they Jesus or a priest or nun.  I can assure you, there is nothing to be sad about if MJ ever chose to convert to this Religion.  Often, people who convert are happier, more at piece, more active in society and helping of others and over all better people as many families can attest to.

Thank you for helping us understand more about this religion. It is a very sensitive subject for people. And I'll admit that the thought of Michael converting scared me at first. I don't know much about the Muslim religion so I was skeptical. Please don't throw stones because I felt this way.  :? Lol. We're all entitled to our opinions right?  I thought the two religions were completely different. But now I see that they hold some of the same teachings. Thank you so much for educating us on some of the beliefs. I'm sure the more I study it, the more truth, peace and love I'll find. I consider myself to be a very spiritual person. I have a relationship Jesus and God and strive to be Christ-like. <3

As for Michael's religious beliefs, I'm not quite sure. I remember him talking in (I think it was the Shmuley tapes) where Michael was asked if he had a relationship with Jesus Christ. He said yes and asked the interviewer if they believed in Jesus too. Also, some of his favorite songs were gospel songs. All I know is that Michael always stood for LOVE and he had compassion for everyone. And I personally thank God for him everyday. <3
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as for the staff Michael hired, how would jermaine know who Michael hired as his associates and employees?

Umm its his brother...lol

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and Jermaine has said before that he was Michael's "back bone" :roll: OMG.. I couldn't believe that. Just like Latoya said that Michael liked to watch Dancing with the stars. Yeah I'm sure Michael loved dancing and loved to watch others dance but how would Latoya know that Michael liked the show? She did not live with them and I got the impression that Michael hadn't seen his family in a longggggg time though his relatives said they saw him right before June 25th. I just get the impression that him and his family were a bit estranged.

You,nor do any of us know what his relationship was with them. But we can all aree this is a hoax and we can all agree they are in on it. There fore we can ASSUME all things are being said for a reason so jermaine meantioning him wanting to or almost converting is being said for a reason

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I'm a Christian. and I love Michael. If michael converted to islam, I wouldn't agree with it and that would make me very very sad. But I still love him.
And you wouldn't agree why? You would be sad? Sad why? Because he found faith? So because your christian mike has 2 be also? He's a grown man and choose watever faith he wants. And as a real fan that should not matter nor change your views

The predjudice and racist undertones of some peoples post have been keeping me off the boards. When ever race or religion is bout up people show there true colors and feelings towards mike esp. And this last part is not directed at cresendo or any1 specific..just in general
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I'm a Christian. and I love Michael. If michael converted to islam, I wouldn't agree with it and that would make me very very sad. But I still love him.
Crescendo, I think you stated your beliefs in a very fair statement.  You were not hurtful.  You mentioned something about Jesus, and I know this is not the place to talk about religion, but we all know how important religion and spirituality was in MJ's life, as well as in his many fans lives.  I want to tell you, the story of Jesus's miraculous virgin birth, to Mary, can be found in the Qu'ran.  It is believed in Islam, that Jesus came to the Jews, just like in Christianity, and that by Gods leave, he preformed many miracles.  Including and not limited to curing the lepers, raising the dead, healing the blind.  Muslims give Jesus the name in the Quran, "The Messiah", which means the anointed one.  Muslims believe that on the day Jesus was to be crucified, he was taken up to Heaven and will return to Earth to destroy the false Masiah and rule in justice...Just as the Christians believe.  Our beliefs are not too different.  Islam teaches that before the Quran, there was the Torah and Moses and the Gospel and Jesus...in that order...and both are sacred texts.  Islam came to re establish the original teachings of Christianity and Judaism, in that there is ONLY one God.  In that sense, Islam does not make the claim that Jesus is God.  Our relationship with God is one on one with no intercessor, be they Jesus or a priest or nun.  I can assure you, there is nothing to be sad about if MJ ever chose to convert to this Religion.  Often, people who convert are happier, more at piece, more active in society and helping of others and over all better people as many families can attest to.

Mykidsmum, you said it very well!
If was about to reply this to Crescendo, till I saw you already replyed it and explained it very well! Thanks!
God bless you  ;)
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Misha, i was simply stating my feelings. Like I said I am a Christian. I believe Jesus is the only way. (please note the underline under the word "I" These are my beliefs). If Michael converted it would make me sad. I can't say it wouldn't. But i would still love him. What's so bad about that?

By the way it disappoints me about the idea of me being racist or prejudiced. I come from a multicultural family from all types of religions.

With all respect, I don't tell anyone how to live. I am simply stating what I feel.I'm not tryin to offend. I try ever so hard to not step on anyones toes and be respectful towards other religions as I would like them to be respectful towards my beliefs.

So yes I still think: How would Jermaine know whats in his brothers heart and how Michael felt?

and Yes if Michael converted to muslim beliefs, it would make me sad because I don't believe that to be the right way.. but I would still love him. I love him as if he were one of my own close family members. I just want what is good for Michael. because I really do care and want the best for him even as crazy as that sounds. I have alot of compassion, love and respect for him. I don't mean to sound crazy but I know i do. for some reason Michael has made such a big impact on me as well as many people whom he never even shook hands with.

mykidsmum,
You said that people who have converted to being a muslim have been happier and more at peace. But the people who have converted to Christianity claim the same as well as other people who convert to other religions such as scientology and others. Its kinda of a who's right?

I just believe that there is peace in Christianity as yall believe there is peace in Islam.

I'm not mad at anyone here but I am disappointed in some of the posts that have been directed towards me as if I have said something bad against Michael which I have not. I have only been distraught more than I have ever been in my life over this man whom I had never even met.

I have edited this because I did write some of this in a hot headed temper (because I am still human) but i'm not trying to spread anger. I just feel like I have been put on the defensive. No anger. Only love. only love.

No anger. Only love. :)
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Can we put the racial tension towards Islam/Christianity aside, forget if its a good thing or bad thing if Michael converted?? just for a minute  :)

Say Michael did actually die, well i asked a friend of mine who is a muslim what would happen. she told me she did not think Michael was a muslim for the simple fact of the length of time it took to bury Michael. Had he been a muslim, Jermain im sure would have upheld Michaels faith and buried him as soon as possible, My friend said muslim burrials are usually just a few days after the passing, as soon as they possibly can. Like i say i know Jermain is a muslim and i know jermain would have made sure Michaels beliefs were followed.
Even with an autopsy, a murder investigation as soon as the body is released it would have been buried. Makes sense to me.
I found this on the net also
Muslims strive to bury the deceased as soon as possible after death, avoiding the need for embalming or otherwise disturbing the body of the deceased. An autopsy may be performed, if necessary, but should be done with the utmost respect for the dead.
I dont care if michael was a christian, Muslim Shaolin Monk Buddist Jew or even a Jeddi  :P
What bothers me is if big IF he did die and he did convert NO ONE followed the beliefs of his faith over his burial
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Can we put the racial tension towards Islam/Christianity aside, forget if its a good thing or bad thing if Michael converted?? just for a minute  :)

Say Michael did actually die, well i asked a friend of mine who is a muslim what would happen. she told me she did not think Michael was a muslim for the simple fact of the length of time it took to bury Michael. Had he been a muslim, Jermain im sure would have upheld Michaels faith and buried him as soon as possible, My friend said muslim burrials are usually just a few days after the passing, as soon as they possibly can. Like i say i know Jermain is a muslim and i know jermain would have made sure Michaels beliefs were followed.
Even with an autopsy, a murder investigation as soon as the body is released it would have been buried. Makes sense to me.
I found this on the net also
Muslims strive to bury the deceased as soon as possible after death, avoiding the need for embalming or otherwise disturbing the body of the deceased. An autopsy may be performed, if necessary, but should be done with the utmost respect for the dead.
I dont care if michael was a christian, Muslim Shaolin Monk Buddist Jew or even a Jeddi  :P
What bothers me is if big IF he did die and he did convert NO ONE followed the beliefs of his faith over his burial
and Jermain also wears a gold necklace that is forbidden in Islam (men can not wear gold) and his wife does not cover...both these things are not correct.  The fact that his body was put legally into the care of Latoya at the hospital and not Jermaine.  Jermaine may be a Muslim but he is not an Imam, he doesn't know everything about the faith.  Besides, it is him against the public, his family, Latoya, and his mother.  Besides, no one knows what happened to MJ's body after the memorial.  It is unaccounted for.  Some suggest that coffin was empty.  A. because he is not dead, or B. Because his body was already taken care of.  There was a report that Neverland had huge amounts of concrete delivered....hmmm.
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Michael is alive so no need to hurry there was no burial...
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Misha, i was simply stating my feelings. Like I said I am a Christian. I believe Jesus is the only way. (please note the underline under the word "I" These are my beliefs). If Michael converted it would make me sad. I can't say it wouldn't. But i would still love him. What's so bad about that?

By the way it disappoints me about the idea of me being racist or prejudiced. I come from a multicultural family from all types of religions.

With all respect, I don't tell anyone how to live. I am simply stating what I feel.I'm not tryin to offend. I try ever so hard to not step on anyones toes and be respectful towards other religions as I would like them to be respectful towards my beliefs.

So yes I still think: How would Jermaine know whats in his brothers heart and how Michael felt?

and Yes if Michael converted to muslim beliefs, it would make me sad because I don't believe that to be the right way.. but I would still love him. I love him as if he were one of my own close family members. I just want what is good for Michael. because I really do care and want the best for him even as crazy as that sounds. I have alot of compassion, love and respect for him. I don't mean to sound crazy but I know i do. for some reason Michael has made such a big impact on me as well as many people whom he never even shook hands with.

mykidsmum,
You said that people who have converted to being a muslim have been happier and more at peace. But the people who have converted to Christianity claim the same as well as other people who convert to other religions such as scientology and others. Its kinda of a who's right?

I just believe that there is peace in Christianity as yall believe there is peace in Islam.

I'm not mad at anyone here but I am disappointed in some of the posts that have been directed towards me as if I have said something bad against Michael which I have not. I have only been distraught more than I have ever been in my life over this man whom I had never even met.

I have edited this because I did write some of this in a hot headed temper (because I am still human) but i'm not trying to spread anger. I just feel like I have been put on the defensive. No anger. Only love. only love.

No anger. Only love. :)
Crishendo, I actually enjoyed your post and was not offended.  I thought you stated YOUR beliefs in a matter of fact way without criticizing anyone else's.  I don't believe you are a racist at all.  I never mentioned this in my other posts because I never thought it was important in this forum, but I am a convert to Islam...going on 12 years now.  Before this I was Roman Catholic.  When I am speaking about people who are happier, I am talking from a perspective of someone who was searching for meaning in life before finding a Islam.  I read the Rabbi tapes and I see MJ at a point in his life where he was searching.  He had many questions about death and dying and why things happen, why children die.  I think that this question could have lead him to Islam.  In Islam, there is no question that can not be answered...everything has an answer and we are never asked just to have faith when something seems confusing.  We are told to ask questions, educate ourselves and seek out the truth.  I actually loved your post because it gave me a chance to let everyone know the similarities we have as religions stemming from Abraham.  Adam and Eve were the first Humans in my faith and in yours and we all came from them. It's our belief that different races and people were descended from them so that we might know each other.
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Misha, i was simply stating my feelings. Like I said I am a Christian. I believe Jesus is the only way. (please note the underline under the word "I" These are my beliefs). If Michael converted it would make me sad. I can't say it wouldn't. But i would still love him. What's so bad about that?

By the way it disappoints me about the idea of me being racist or prejudiced. I come from a multicultural family from all types of religions.

the racist/prejudist comment was not for you....

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and Yes if Michael converted to muslim beliefs, it would make me sad because I don't believe that to be the right way.. but I would still love him. I love him as if he were one of my own close family members. I just want what is good for Michael. because I really do care and want the best for him even as crazy as that sounds. I have alot of compassion, love and respect for him. I don't mean to sound crazy but I know i do. for some reason Michael has made such a big impact on me as well as many people whom he never even shook hands with.
You said you care whats best for him. If that is true than you would not be hurt by his choice to convert, if he converted. christianity may be whats best for YOU but it may not be whats best for others. Your religion, nor race makes you who you are completely and being muslim would not change the fact that he is the same person. Thats all i want to stress.  Of course you think your way is better but again that works for you and may or does not work for others

and you keep saying how does jermaine know, maybe mike told him :lol: they are brothers  :lol:

and again the last part of my post WAS NOT DIRECTED TO YOU, sorry you took it that way
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It really hurts me to see how everybody is reacting like it's a bad thing if Michael did convert to Islam. I'm a Muslim myself and if Michael would convert to another religion other then the Islam I would never say hurtful things about that other religion as I could hurt the believers of that religion.
I thought we as Michael fans would understand that the diversity in people and cultures is a beautiful thing because of the way we can learn from each other to grow as a individual.

I also noticed that some are reacting with a big lack of knowledge of the Islam. For example; that Muslims don't say 'God' but only 'Allah'. That's not true! Allah is the Arabic word for God. So muslims can call the Almighty 'God' or 'Allah', it doesn't really mather how you call Him.
We also DO believe in Jesus, peace and blessings be upon him. Not as the son of God but as one of the most important prophets.
And one other thing: we do say 'God bless'

I just wanted to set some things straight  ;)


@Le Papillon Bleu,
Nope cremation is forbidden in Islam, only burials are allowed.  ;)

Im definitely agree with Dancing_Machine
to be honest, i feel offended about all comments about Islam ..
im a muslim, and some people here are muslim too ...
and few comments makes me sad ..
i don't know how bad Islam in few people eyes,
but i hope, when you don't know about it, please don't just like .. saying what you see on TV ..
cause it's not true ..

for Moderator : i think you need to lock this thread
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thank goodness I caught this thread before it got locked.

I just wanted to say I'm sorry if I have mistook what anyone was saying and took it badly. I apologize if I have hurt anyone's feelings or misunderstood anyone or disrespected another's beliefs.

I just have firm beliefs of which also consist of not forcing any of them on others. But rather I believe in them firmly so i state them just the same. but not meaning to hurt anyone.

Love to all, always.  :)
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I think you all handled this well, but I'm locking it to avoid any further misunderstandings...especially since it really has no bearing on the hoax.
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I will always love you Michael!

 

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