Let's Go Back To The 911 Call

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Offline rowdyangel

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Let's Go Back To The 911 Call

  • on: November 30, 2009, 01:30:30 PM
Here is an interesting comparison.

Remember the questions about the 911 call dispatcher hanging up before the paramedics arrived at Carolwood Drive??  I think we all came to the unanimous conclusion that it is NOT the norm for the dispatcher to hang up before the paramedics arrive so take a look at this part of the 911 call from 25th June:

DISPATCH: We're on our way, we're on our way. I'm just passing these questions on to paramedics who are on their way there.
CALLER: Thank you, sir. He's pumping, he's pumping his chest, but he's not responding to anything, sir. Please.
DISPATCH: OK, we're on our way. We're less than a mile away. We'll be there shortly.
CALLER: Thank you, sir. Thank you.
DISPATCH: OK, sir. Call us back if you need anything else.
CALLER: Yes, sir.


Compare it to this part of the 911 call made following Tiger Woods car crash outside his own home:

Caller: We're just trying get the police here right now. We don't know what happened. We're figuring that out right now. I'm on the phone with the police right now.
Dispatcher 2: Your phone's breaking up. Can you hear me though, sir?
Caller: Yes.
Dispatcher 2: While we have paramedics on the way, I'm just gonna stay on the phone with you. If you find out further just let me know. I'm going to stay on the phone, OK?
Caller: Hello.
Dispatcher 2: I'm here.
Caller: Yes.
Dispatcher 2: OK. We got paramedics on the way, but I'm going to stay on the phone in case you find out further.


Notice the difference?  Now I appreciate that one call was in LA and the other in Florida but I am certain that the procedure is the same regardless of which State you're in.

Just further proof that the 911 call on 25th June is a load of hocum!!  ;)
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Re: Let's Go Back To The 911 Call

  • on: November 30, 2009, 01:34:49 PM
They stay on the line, until the paramedics got there. But the call on June 25th was different...  :|
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Re: Let's Go Back To The 911 Call

  • on: November 30, 2009, 01:54:44 PM
No professionalism ......
Thus no orderlies / doctors would act.... Certainly not. 8-)
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Re: Let's Go Back To The 911 Call

  • on: November 30, 2009, 02:01:18 PM
my thoughts exactly when it was on the news.. Michael popped staight into my head.. even tho it was about someone else.. the differences are unbelieveable.. and extremely noticable.. IMO
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Re: Let's Go Back To The 911 Call

  • on: November 30, 2009, 02:04:43 PM
they have to stay on the line. why not with michael?? weird isn't it ;)
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Re: Let's Go Back To The 911 Call

  • on: November 30, 2009, 02:07:45 PM
It may be different since there was an actual doctor there with him.  They have authority over a 911 operator.  Imo, I don't think the 911 call was fake...I don't see how it could be.
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Re: Let's Go Back To The 911 Call

  • on: November 30, 2009, 02:09:45 PM
911 emergency calls was published very fast, he was already prepared geneuso like the Ambulance picture, all that seems to me.
No professional people action / governance so.

And one made Dr. Murray, the man everything wrong what only wrong can do .... what should be for a doctor?
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Re: Let's Go Back To The 911 Call

  • on: November 30, 2009, 02:10:58 PM
[quote = "ILuvUMoreMJ"] es anders sein kann, da gab es eine wirkliche Arzt da mit ihm. Sie sind befugt, über eine 911-Operator. Imo, das glaube ich nicht die 911 anrufen war fake ... Ich sehe nicht, wie es sein könnte. [/ Quote]

but like these people have acted ......... I ask myself like this can be real.... :?
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Re: Let's Go Back To The 911 Call

  • on: November 30, 2009, 02:45:03 PM
its like a plot out of a film
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Re: Let's Go Back To The 911 Call

  • on: November 30, 2009, 02:49:35 PM
[quote = "SPAKKLE29FUL"] ihre, wie ein Grundstück aus einem Film [/ quote]


If this thought really a film will be .... everything is unreal.
These people Too stupidly and Unprofessional like something like that can be?
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Re: Let's Go Back To The 911 Call

  • on: November 30, 2009, 03:05:48 PM
I don't think that an operator can hang up, because there's a doctor at the scene.
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Re: Let's Go Back To The 911 Call

  • on: November 30, 2009, 03:14:43 PM
Does not believe this behavior akteptabel would be if all orderlies / doctors there such knowledge and art to action have there is absolutely record in annual deaths.... :?
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Re: Let's Go Back To The 911 Call

  • on: November 30, 2009, 03:58:00 PM
Sparkle29ful,
You are so right this sound like a plot to a film, it may be a film called...
"The Life,Death and Resurection of The King Of Pop."
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Re: Let's Go Back To The 911 Call

  • on: November 30, 2009, 03:58:00 PM
IMO, the operator would be very misinformed to hang up because there's no way to verify that Murray was even a doctor in the first place (no matter what the caller may have said).
Also, red flags should have definitely been raised in the operator's mind when he was told that CPR was being performed on a bed. that's ridiculous!
if this call was real, then i would be very afraid to call 911 in that area, thats for sure!
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Re: Let's Go Back To The 911 Call

  • on: November 30, 2009, 04:07:24 PM
so we all agree on this one then :lol:  :lol:
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Re: Let's Go Back To The 911 Call

  • on: November 30, 2009, 04:14:06 PM
I am checking on something.  Did the person who called 911 use a cell phone?  If I'm not mistaken weren't the phones in the house...MJs bedroom disconnected?
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Re: Let's Go Back To The 911 Call

  • on: November 30, 2009, 04:18:36 PM
Quote from: "Nathalia"
IMO, the operator would be very misinformed to hang up because there's no way to verify that Murray was even a doctor in the first place (no matter what the caller may have said).
Also, red flags should have definitely been raised in the operator's mind when he was told that CPR was being performed on a bed. that's ridiculous!
if this call was real, then i would be very afraid to call 911 in that area, thats for sure!

Looooots of sence!!!!
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Re: Let's Go Back To The 911 Call

  • on: December 01, 2009, 06:17:05 AM
Quote from: "Nathalia"
IMO, the operator would be very misinformed to hang up because there's no way to verify that Murray was even a doctor in the first place (no matter what the caller may have said).
Also, red flags should have definitely been raised in the operator's mind when he was told that CPR was being performed on a bed. that's ridiculous!
if this call was real, then i would be very afraid to call 911 in that area, thats for sure!

I absolutely agree with you!
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Re: Let's Go Back To The 911 Call

  • on: December 01, 2009, 02:45:26 PM
Quote from: "Nathalia"
IMO, the operator would be very misinformed to hang up because there's no way to verify that Murray was even a doctor in the first place (no matter what the caller may have said).
Also, red flags should have definitely been raised in the operator's mind when he was told that CPR was being performed on a bed. that's ridiculous!
if this call was real, then i would be very afraid to call 911 in that area, thats for sure!

Exactly!!!!! You took the words right out of my mouth  ;)

A cardiologist performing CPR on a bed.... I'm sorry  :lol:
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Re: Let's Go Back To The 911 Call

  • on: December 03, 2009, 11:54:21 AM
Hey guys

I sent this email to mjfanforeverandaday last night in response to her part 6 video 911 call (prt 2):

Can't believe I am just researching this! I was so upset at what SEEMED to be a departure from proper 911 procedure! Turns out it's standard procedure! Please don't be turned off by the length, most of it is quotes!  :lol:

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Good Day,

(lol, it's night here) I first off want to say that I enjoy your videos. I was watching them over again this evening, when I decided to check something- I don't recall if you addressed it again in any of your videos, but since I believe that you are after the truth I just wanted to point out to you that some of the things that you found "off" in the 911 call are actually standard procedure. Here is a website that you can check: http://www.nccfire.com/911_procedures.htm  I have also checked other websites and they basically say the same thing, I chose this one because it was the only one I could find about those procedures in the state of California.  Even though I am aware that this is the Nevada County Fire District , as I said other websites confirm these procedures.

It shows that dispatchers are expected to ask the caller for a contact number ( I found this strange also! ;) however, I read on another site that it is because some people call from cellphone- maybe not all cellphone have GPS?). The second point is that the caller is expected to remain on the line until the dispatcher tells you to hang up: "Once the call is transferred to CDF, the dispatcher will gather information, including the nature and location of the emergency, your name and callback number, and any other helpful information. Typically, after the information is gathered, the dispatcher will have the caller hang up the phone. If you are in need of additional medical assistance (i.e.: performing CPR, control bleeding, etc.), CDF dispatchers are trained in Emergency Medical Dispatching, and they will remain on the line to assist you further".  ......Remember that a "doctor" was present and therefore had a higher authority in MJ's case

In addition the site also says that "two or more dispatchers will monitor your call. While one dispatcher is talking to the caller, the other dispatcher is dispatching the information into the computer system, which will advise which resources to send to the emergency. This speeds up the dispatch process, which allows you to receive emergency assistance in minutes.". This may explain ONE of the other voices on the tape...excepting of course what SOUNDS like...can't be sure "he's dead". To be honest I didn't hear that until you put it in my head!!! :)'

I am not sure if the noise that sounds like a voice on the two separate occasions- after "CPR, ok" and "he's dead(?)", (except Dr. Murray sounding panicky) is the same voice or they belong to two different persons. I am trying to get a friend who works in a studio to help me to figure this out!

I hope this helps!


P.S.- This is her video in case anyone was interested in watching it again: http://www.youtube.com/user/MJFanFOREVE ... V3SUhM1uVI
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Re: Let's Go Back To The 911 Call

  • on: December 14, 2009, 11:49:02 AM
Quote from: "ILuvUMoreMJ"
It may be different since there was an actual doctor there with him.  They have authority over a 911 operator.  Imo, I don't think the 911 call was fake...I don't see how it could be.

As others have mentioned in this thread, it wouldn't make a difference if there was a doctor on the scene or not. There is no way to verify that Dr. Conrad Murray is really licensed or not. Typical 911 protocol says that the dispatcher is not supposed to hang up with the caller until help arrives.

It IS possible that this could be a mistake on the dispatcher's part [ANYTHING is possible at this point], but probable? No, I think not.

If this was a mistake, would they at least acknowledge it?
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Re: Let's Go Back To The 911 Call

  • on: December 14, 2009, 01:14:10 PM
Well i thought i'd better check it out whether the 911 are allowed to hang up when there is a doctor in the house, soo i've called the danish police and asked them " if there is a doctor in the house are the 911 thingie allowed to hang up before the ambulance has arrived". Here is the policemans answer: NO it's illegal.. If there is a doctor in the house, you should put the doctor on the phone ( if there is a sudden change= health, breathing, etc etc) so the 911 thingie can tell the paramedics if something changes...

Okay i hope you understand what i'm writing.. I'm making christmas cookies and they are almost burned :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
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Re: Let's Go Back To The 911 Call

  • on: December 16, 2009, 02:59:27 AM
I'm pretty sure it's not illegal for the operators to hang up in the US.  It's most likely just a judgement call.  The operator said on the recording that the doctor had a higher authority than him.  Why on earth would he question whether or not he was a real doctor if that's what he's being told?  Plus at that point the ambulance was only 1 minute away.  I just don't think this is a big deal.
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Re: Let's Go Back To The 911 Call

  • on: December 16, 2009, 03:16:36 PM
Well, everyone can say that there's a doctor in the house, so they just can't take any risk.
IMO, the operator had to ask for the doc to take the phone.
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Re: Let's Go Back To The 911 Call

  • on: December 16, 2009, 03:56:07 PM
These 911 emergency calls is a farce
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