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Why I am here

  • on: February 01, 2010, 04:29:44 PM
It has been misconstrued on so many levels as to why I am here. I will first state that I am non-believer as you call it I believe Michael Jackson is no longer with us may he RIP.

But I am here cause I am a firm believer that there are 3 sides to ever story, my side, your site, and the truth. My side is he is no longer with us, your side is he is, and somewhere in there is the truth. Which is what I understand you guys and ladies to be looking for. This is an investigation site, in order for the investigation to be a good and one there needs to be two sides of an argument if there is only one side then its not truly an investigation.

So i am here to point out other sides to things so they can be looked at and counter it so an good ingistigation can take place.

I am not here to offend people, I am not here to insult, make fun of, or belittle anyone, I may come across sarcastic at times like with the present tense argument cause that really does mean nothing, Me and my who family still refer to my Grandma (dad's mom) in present tense even though she passed away in 2008, I still find myself picking up the phone to call her.

So that is why I am here. I do not want to offend people just trying to put the light on the other side of the argument.
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Re: Why I am here

  • on: February 01, 2010, 04:32:29 PM
Fair enough!
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Re: Why I am here

  • on: February 01, 2010, 04:35:51 PM
thats fine

i look forward to your posts

its like christmas on the site today
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Re: Why I am here

  • on: February 01, 2010, 04:42:27 PM
I think that sounds fair enough as well. At this point, I honestly don't think whether or not he's dead or alive is the most relevant factor. I believe he is alive, but I believe theres a message, a reason, for it. And I'm not sure if he will "come back" or not. Whether we believe he's dead or alive doesn't change that we all can see that something is very weird about the entire thing. As fans, it is easy to become disillusioned by clues big and small simply because we WANT him to be alive and to come back. And on the other side I can see it being easy for someone to believe he is dead simply because they don't want to think about the possibility of such a thing happening, someone faking their death and getting away with it.

The bottom line though is that we need to take it upon ourselves to find the truth. Because the media will only feed us lies.
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Re: Why I am here

  • on: February 01, 2010, 04:46:52 PM
Quote from: "beatit"
It has been misconstrued on so many levels as to why I am here. I will first state that I am non-believer as you call it I believe Michael Jackson is no longer with us may he RIP.

But I am here cause I am a firm believer that there are 3 sides to ever story, my side, your site, and the truth. My side is he is no longer with us, your side is he is, and somewhere in there is the truth. Which is what I understand you guys and ladies to be looking for. This is an investigation site, in order for the investigation to be a good and one there needs to be two sides of an argument if there is only one side then its not truly an investigation.

So i am here to point out other sides to things so they can be looked at and counter it so an good ingistigation can take place.

I am not here to offend people, I am not here to insult, make fun of, or belittle anyone, I may come across sarcastic at times like with the present tense argument cause that really does mean nothing, Me and my who family still refer to my Grandma (dad's mom) in present tense even though she passed away in 2008, I still find myself picking up the phone to call her.

So that is why I am here. I do not want to offend people just trying to put the light on the other side of the argument.

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Next off, if referring to people in present tense that have passed away means they are alive, I need to start a site to try to find my Grandma, cause I still refer to her in present tense even know she has been gone since 2005, and my other friend I need to find him, cause I still refer to him in present tense.

you said she passed away in 2005...
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Re: Why I am here

  • on: February 01, 2010, 04:51:50 PM
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It has been misconstrued on so many levels as to why I am here. I will first state that I am non-believer as you call it I believe Michael Jackson is no longer with us may he RIP.

But I am here cause I am a firm believer that there are 3 sides to ever story, my side, your site, and the truth. My side is he is no longer with us, your side is he is, and somewhere in there is the truth. Which is what I understand you guys and ladies to be looking for. This is an investigation site, in order for the investigation to be a good and one there needs to be two sides of an argument if there is only one side then its not truly an investigation.

So i am here to point out other sides to things so they can be looked at and counter it so an good ingistigation can take place.

I am not here to offend people, I am not here to insult, make fun of, or belittle anyone, I may come across sarcastic at times like with the present tense argument cause that really does mean nothing, Me and my who family still refer to my Grandma (dad's mom) in present tense even though she passed away in 2008, I still find myself picking up the phone to call her.

So that is why I am here. I do not want to offend people just trying to put the light on the other side of the argument.

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Next off, if referring to people in present tense that have passed away means they are alive, I need to start a site to try to find my Grandma, cause I still refer to her in present tense even know she has been gone since 2005, and my other friend I need to find him, cause I still refer to him in present tense.

you said she passed away in 2005...

That is my mistake my Grandmother passed away in 2005 sorry and my friend passed away in 2008. It was my Great Grandmother than passed away in 2004 to who I still refer to in present tense when talking about her to keep the memory of her alive.
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Re: Why I am here

  • on: February 01, 2010, 04:52:13 PM
Fair enough. I think it is good for questions to be asked. If you don't ask questions and aren't skeptical you will accept only what the majority tells you to believe. This is true not only on this site. People tend to take it very personal here when confronted with another point of view. It wasn't like that in the beginning. That is the main reason I don't come here that much anymore although I'm still very much looking for some truth in this chaos.
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Re: Why I am here

  • on: February 01, 2010, 04:53:21 PM
Yep....It 's really fair! Thanks for the post!
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Re: Why I am here

  • on: February 01, 2010, 04:54:32 PM
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It has been misconstrued on so many levels as to why I am here. I will first state that I am non-believer as you call it I believe Michael Jackson is no longer with us may he RIP.

But I am here cause I am a firm believer that there are 3 sides to ever story, my side, your site, and the truth. My side is he is no longer with us, your side is he is, and somewhere in there is the truth. Which is what I understand you guys and ladies to be looking for. This is an investigation site, in order for the investigation to be a good and one there needs to be two sides of an argument if there is only one side then its not truly an investigation.

So i am here to point out other sides to things so they can be looked at and counter it so an good ingistigation can take place.

I am not here to offend people, I am not here to insult, make fun of, or belittle anyone, I may come across sarcastic at times like with the present tense argument cause that really does mean nothing, Me and my who family still refer to my Grandma (dad's mom) in present tense even though she passed away in 2008, I still find myself picking up the phone to call her.

So that is why I am here. I do not want to offend people just trying to put the light on the other side of the argument.

what are your topics
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Re: Why I am here

  • on: February 01, 2010, 04:55:03 PM
We may all learn a great deal more due to your presence and contributions. I am a believer. Like you , I  also chose to become a member on a forum that runs counter to my core belief.  I joined a  non-believer forum for balance and to better understand why one side feels firmly that he is alive yet another side believes firmly that he is dead. It is interesting to travel between both forums and gain different perspectives. It helps me to keep an open and objective mind as I come across all things related to June 25, 2009.


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It has been misconstrued on so many levels as to why I am here. I will first state that I am non-believer as you call it I believe Michael Jackson is no longer with us may he RIP.

But I am here cause I am a firm believer that there are 3 sides to ever story, my side, your site, and the truth. My side is he is no longer with us, your side is he is, and somewhere in there is the truth. Which is what I understand you guys and ladies to be looking for. This is an investigation site, in order for the investigation to be a good and one there needs to be two sides of an argument if there is only one side then its not truly an investigation.

So i am here to point out other sides to things so they can be looked at and counter it so an good ingistigation can take place.

I am not here to offend people, I am not here to insult, make fun of, or belittle anyone, I may come across sarcastic at times like with the present tense argument cause that really does mean nothing, Me and my who family still refer to my Grandma (dad's mom) in present tense even though she passed away in 2008, I still find myself picking up the phone to call her.

So that is why I am here. I do not want to offend people just trying to put the light on the other side of the argument.
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Re: Why I am here

  • on: February 01, 2010, 04:56:38 PM
you are right my mother passed away 12 years ago and i still talk about her in the present tense i suppose she is my mum and she is here with me so maybe we all do that .. Your views are always valid  thankyou
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Re: Why I am here

  • on: February 01, 2010, 07:41:11 PM
Well, as I said before in so many post, I do respect people who doesn't believe.. but I do also believe that is disrespecteful that non-believer (as we call them) come here to post threads that are not helping the main discussion of THIS FORUM, because I don't go to non-believers forum to say "I'm a believer, you are too blind to see that are some strange things going here! you just eat what media says!".. and I expect for people to act like me and I'm probably wrong because not all the people sees respect the way I see it (the way my mother teached me).
It's fine for me if you like to search for both sides of the story and get to the truth that it will be the third one.. but most of us (the members of this forum) believe that we have enough arguments to stop seeing the other part as possible.
Probably what we most want is that people like you (that is still in the other part or searching into this one), and the same for the people who is in the middle of both sides.. is to read, not all, but most of this long thread reffering to our investigation, and once that is made.. then to come and post whatever they want, otherwise you are talking without knowing why we have this point of view... and since you just have posted the day you become a member, we assumed you haven't read the thread when we explain why we are believers.
Please understand that if we say to you that you are in the wrong forum is because this is a BELIVER forum, you can see it not only reading the posts, but also reading in the upper bar when you open this homepage "Michael Jackson DEATH HOAX Investigator",that means that we DO believe his death is a hoax.So,as you stated, you are a non-believer, so you are in the wrong forum..
My advice is to search for the truth in the road you believe is the correct one and let us to go on in this road, that is the one we choose as MJ's Fans.
Lots of L.O.V.E and I hope you don't misunderstood my post.
Sorry for my english and for the long post!!!
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Re: Why I am here

  • on: February 01, 2010, 07:53:45 PM
Welcome to the forum!
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Re: Why I am here

  • on: February 02, 2010, 12:16:26 AM
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Well, as I said before in so many post, I do respect people who doesn't believe.. but I do also believe that is disrespecteful that non-believer (as we call them) come here to post threads that are not helping the main discussion of THIS FORUM, because I don't go to non-believers forum to say "I'm a believer, you are too blind to see that are some strange things going here! you just eat what media says!".. and I expect for people to act like me and I'm probably wrong because not all the people sees respect the way I see it (the way my mother teached me).
It's fine for me if you like to search for both sides of the story and get to the truth that it will be the third one.. but most of us (the members of this forum) believe that we have enough arguments to stop seeing the other part as possible.
Probably what we most want is that people like you (that is still in the other part or searching into this one), and the same for the people who is in the middle of both sides.. is to read, not all, but most of this long thread reffering to our investigation, and once that is made.. then to come and post whatever they want, otherwise you are talking without knowing why we have this point of view... and since you just have posted the day you become a member, we assumed you haven't read the thread when we explain why we are believers.
Please understand that if we say to you that you are in the wrong forum is because this is a BELIVER forum, you can see it not only reading the posts, but also reading in the upper bar when you open this homepage "Michael Jackson DEATH HOAX Investigator",that means that we DO believe his death is a hoax.So,as you stated, you are a non-believer, so you are in the wrong forum..
My advice is to search for the truth in the road you believe is the correct one and let us to go on in this road, that is the one we choose as MJ's Fans.
Lots of L.O.V.E and I hope you don't misunderstood my post.
Sorry for my english and for the long post!!!

While I respect what you are saying, and I don't mis-understand it, I also do believe like I have stated that its an investigation site, and if an investigation is 1 sided what kind of investigation is it? That is like saying when someone goes to court only one side should be able to make the argument. How fair would that be?

If you got arrested for murder and the only side able to make a argument was the prosecutor how fair would that be to you?

Now I realize this is different than a court room but the philosophy stays the same.

I am reading forums and posting what comes to mind when I read the forum, like I said not doing it to offend, belittle, make fun of, or anything in a negative way, just like I said trying to make it a good investigation keeping both sides in it.

I know you mentioned we have moved beyond the point of needing both sides but going back to the court room, that would be like saying that after the first half of court the prosecutor is the only one that can make a argument and the defense cannot say a thing.

Hope you see where I come from on that.
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Re: Why I am here

  • on: February 02, 2010, 01:02:15 AM
Everyones own choise beleive or not in hoax. Absolutely feel free to express your thoughts. I beleive Michael is alive based on many suspicious facts of the "death process" starting from beginning til now.
But I am not sure whether he will ever come back. I had thoughts he might be seriously ill, even may be something wrong with his mind (God forbid), therefore family decided to announce MJ death rather than insane.  I hope I am wrong, but MJ is not dead. However, I respect everyones opinion.
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Re: Why I am here

  • on: February 02, 2010, 03:15:23 AM
beatit thanks for answering my post, I wont quote because it will be too long.

I get your point, but is like if we are running in circles with the way we think.. you believe that there are 2 sides, and I do also!! but we leave 1 side behind just because it has nonsense (at least a lot of that side story).. and I get your analogy with the court room.. and I agree!! but here we are most like the jury and we are listening both explanations.. but.. as far as we go, we believe that one side is more credible and possible than the other. (hope you understan what I mean)
Of course that everybody can post his/her own opinion, I'm not asking you to change your mind or not to post.. not at all!! all I'm saying is that the way I see it, if you know that you are getting into a place where most of the people don't think the way you do, at least you should read why we believe what we believe and you will even see that we don't agree in everything that comes out like a clue or theorys, etc.. we discuss things and no one try to put his/her point of view as the truth, but most of us agree that MJ is alive and the reason for his death hoax was to spread a message...
So what I mean is that is ok that you post, and you are welcome here, of course! but it seems that the one that is not hearing the other side is you.. because you post what comes to your mind in new posts, but you still don't know why we believe he is alive, otherwise you wouldn't write that we are in denial (that is why a lot of members told you things about your comment on denial IMO) instead you would probably write some explanations for example about the pictures, the death certificate, non official statements, etc etc
And yes... this is an investigation site.. we are investigators... but HOAX investigators, I belive that does make the things a little bit different, I wanna use your court room example but i don't know the terms prosecutor or other -.- my english is horrible -.- but you get my point I guess :)
Lots of L.O.V.E!
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Re: Why I am here

  • on: February 02, 2010, 03:52:17 AM
I am fine with you trying to debunk everything, but I have seen a lot of debunkers trying to make people change their minds. We will not allow pushy 'he is dead' thread, because this is a HOAX site.
I don't know why someone who believes he is dead, would come up here, otherwise than that you would like to believe he is still alive. If you don't, I guess you are only here to stirr things up IMHO.

I think it's disrespectful to the members, like they are only seeing everything one-sided. Believe me, there are lots of posters that see the other side too, so I have no idea what your contribution would be.
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Re: Why I am here

  • on: February 02, 2010, 04:02:06 AM
beatit im sorry if i sounded rude to you earlier.
you say we are only viewing things the way we WANT to view them...thats just how it seems IMO
I view things from both sides because i am 50/50 but i dont redicule people when they make their opinions. Hope to see some POSITIVE help in this and not see you being sarcastic in what people post...its disrespectful...
We are like family here so hope you dont come in and stir things up with people.
Dont jump to the conclusion that we only view one side of the story  ;)
welcome to the forum! Good luck
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Re: Why I am here

  • on: February 02, 2010, 04:12:28 AM
Quote from: "i_need YoU"
beatit im sorry if i sounded rude to you earlier.
you say we are only viewing things the way we WANT to view them...thats just how it seems IMO
I view things from both sides because i am 50/50 but i dont redicule people when they make their opinions. Hope to see some POSITIVE help in this and not see you being sarcastic in what people post...its disrespectful...
We are like family here so hope you dont come in and stir things up with people.
Dont jump to the conclusion that we only view one side of the story  ;)
welcome to the forum! Good luck

Thank you I will say the change in the earth song lyrics has got me thinking. That really does not make since, since I think that was the video off of the This is it video there may have been a reason they changed it, but if not that is a good clue right in plain sight.
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Re: Why I am here

  • on: February 02, 2010, 04:51:58 AM
First I would like to say I hope you find happiness and I hope that your gran mother is in Abrahams Bosom May she rest in peace. Maybe you want to just talk, I believe that the “non-believer” has a point Michael is not with us may Michael Jackson R.I.P Let Mi ka eel live and the second side is the fans the “investigators” and the third side is live proof which in terms of the 3 sides would be true. None of his impersonators looked like Michael Jackson.
God be with you
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Re: Why I am here

  • on: February 02, 2010, 01:46:52 PM
That's fair enough, thanks for posting btw.  ;)
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