It's VERY IMPORTANT that Murray be charged by the DA

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It's VERY IMPORTANT that Murray be charged by the DA

  • on: February 07, 2010, 11:34:47 AM
the murray question

has long bothered me, i think we talked about this before, like theres something we arent getting about murray, he stands for something, his role is important, else why have him? why did michael NEED a doctor or anyone at all to be involved in this hoax?

well i figured it out, with all the media circus this weekend, i figured it out

murray IS michael… not physically but metaphorically

murray is a professional black man fallen from grace, being accused of a horrible crime, outrageous allegations, his private and personal life paraded before the cameras on the evening news for all to see and mock

his child support issues, his debt, his wives and ex’s and girlfriend, hes portrayed as incompetant (leaving the room while michael was under to talk to his girlfriend, not calling 911, one armed cpr, etc) the media has convicted him of a crime and proclaimed him guilty before the police even sealed the “crime scene”

remember, the police didnt consider it a crime scene until the media did, days later, family goes in and out etc

meanwhile the tabloids have targeted murray and proclaimed him michael’s killer

murrays friends and patients and supporters are small voices in the sea of media bias saying wait, no, its not true, hes a holistic doctor, he doesnt perscribe drugs, he uses vitamens and herbs and holistic approaches

the media calls him dr death and dr feel good, drugs drugs drugs, shadey doc, did michael’s bidding, provided powerful drugs at will

so, hes painted as something he is not, they sway perception and turn this man into a monster

meanwhile, the LAPD and now the DA are FOLLOWING the media's lead… and feel pressure to bring a case, the MEDIA are the ones who say manslaughter, murder, charges, hes guilty, the feds have ALWAYS followed the media in this case

so, just like in 2005, when, thanks to the FBI files, we now have proof in black and white that the DA had ZERO evidence on michael and conspired to create a case on false pretence, to try and bring him down, NOW we have murray

same situation

i think
i think the LAPD and the DA are fighting over this because one entity wants to bring charges that dont exist, because lord knows theres no body and no real evidence at all, and the other doesnt

but they feel pressure, pressure from the MEDIA to bring charges on this guy

so

one entity wants to drop it because they know theres no evidence, shit there isnt even a body, really, not that anyone has really seen, no autopsy, no toxicology, and the other entity wants to simply CREATE a case, create evidence, create charges, JUST to satisfy MEDIA pressure

and i think THIS is EXACTLY what michael KNEW would happen

and i think michael is BETTING that corruption wins out over truth

and michael is BETTING that they will bring charges, EVEN WITHOUT A DEAD PERSON

which, constitutes FRAUD

and PROVES that the entire system is, and i quote michael, “jacked”

tada

this is why he isnt back yet

this is why chernoff keeps suggesting manslaughter, chernoff has been injecting manslaughter into the media rhetoric for months

so, betcha michaels right, corruption WILL win and murray WILL be charged, in a fake case that the DA invented JUST to appease the media, who has been cllammering for this guys head on a stick since 6-25

and then, oh heres the best part

ok, so theres been some speculation that michael may face litigation for profitting from this, TII, record sales, etc right?

THIS is why michael has kept his nose so clean with 1001 legal loopholes with the DC and the life insurance and paying for the memorial and payng for the burial, security and public safety and the no public viewing and the no RIP or date of death in TII and the legal disclaimer in TII “for entertainment only” etc etc etc

they got NOTHING on him , nothing
and he will have EVERYTHING on them after they charge murray
he cant come back until they charge murray
they MUST charge murray
they MUST
thats why chernoff has such a big mouth
manslaughter manslaughter, he will be charged with manslaughter

this is why he isnt back yet
this is why he didnt come back in october
this is why he didnt come back on mlk day
this is why he didnt come back at the grammys
this is why the revocation of the will was postponed
this is why

Lastly…

the You Tube video to Murray’s friends and supporters was our first clue. Some hoaxers speculated that Murray was actually Michael, considering the similarity in words and tone to Michael’s 2005 video, and I bet this pleased Michael very much. We didn’t quite… get it back then though. Not quite. Almost, but not quite.

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To me makes perfect sense yeah!
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Yes ,you're right ,very intersting ..

It wouldn't shock me if he were charged ,but if he's going to jail ,than...  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :cry:



Thank you for this post ,it makes me all very clear  :D
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Bec, you might have hit the nail on its head, great post. If this is the case, let's hope Murray WILL be charged tomorrow, because we all know the guy commited NO crime at all.
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Well, I think... I think... you might be right you know?!!! :D
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Very interesting post, you have a very analytical mind.

I think tomorrow will be a very interesting day on many levels.  Just hope the "this is not it group" dont get carried away, unless of course this is another part of the illusion?

 :? :)
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The This Is Not It group may well be in charge of pushing HARD for these charges, just as LaToya was in charge of injecting the "murder" rhetoric into the media. LaToya started the charge, Karen Faye takes the batton and runs with it.

Perhaps. Or KF really is just clueless.

OR, KF is in charge of creating such a tumultuous scene at the court house that Murray MUST be taken into custody.... for his own safety.

Not sure about that, there's a few ways it could work.
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Ps. Thanks Souza.
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:? can anyone suggest a good excuse for me to miss work AGAIN tomorrow.  I had Friday in the bag.
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Quote from: "hesouttamylife"
:? can anyone suggest a good excuse for me to miss work AGAIN tomorrow.  I had Friday in the bag.
maybe hospital appointment?
family member ill?
personal problem?
im full of them lol :lol:  :lol:
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This logic and post makes a lot of sense to me, too.  We should all take a long, deep breath as we wait to see what happens.
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Yes! I also realized that recently...this REALLY makes sense.
I also noticed that pictures at tmz.com
often show both Conrad and Michael in similar poses, which is quite weird I think.
It's like relating them to each other instead of anticipating.
Look:






AND the statement Conrad released on video was also very similar to the one Michael released!
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Btw, if Conrad Murray bails out of the whole thing (if that's possible), he will pay for a thing he didn't do to be free and have everybody thinking he did it...
Reminds you of something?!(I know, Michael didn't bail out, but you see the similarities, don't you?)
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You are brilliant! This is It!

BTW do you any of you remember when Murray did his video that all of the media compared it to when Michael had done a video asking for a fair trial? It wasn't anymore successful than Murray's was. I'll try to see if I can find it. The whole connection to MLK now makes sense...what a triumph for all of us.
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Great post!
That would also tie in nicely with the emphasis of TDCAU.  Perhaps that is the reason why that particular clip from TII rehearsals was released first.

This could be the beginning of the greatest demonstration in the history of mankind.
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COOL.......LOVE THIS...IT CERTAINLY WOULD NOT BE ANY SURPRISE TO ME......XXXXXX
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Well... you might be right... GREAT post..  :)
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Quote from: "steffmaster1"
Quote from: "hesouttamylife"
:? can anyone suggest a good excuse for me to miss work AGAIN tomorrow.  I had Friday in the bag.
maybe hospital appointment?
family member ill?
personal problem?
im full of them lol :lol:  :lol:
 :lol: thanks - something will have to give.  I don't want to miss one minute of this fiasco on Monday.
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[youtube:2tkvta00]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLpABElGXb8&feature=related[/youtube:2tkvta00]
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GREAT post it makes perfectly sense to me
It's not a therory it's the TRUTH !
We were so blind ! The truth is just in front of us
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ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC!!!!

Thanks bec - so much! Your post is blowing me away, this is it!!!

Tereza, many thanks for the vids - you manifestate the post.

Great. Thanks guys you make my day  :)
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Tereza ick könnt dir knutschen, wa - dieser Fotovergleich, perfekt *boah*, das Video in dem Murray-Thread - japp, das könnte es wirklich sein  *tanz um den Tisch herum*

DANKE :)
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What will happen with all the claims made against Michael's estate?  
While we know this is a hoax, are the claims for real or part of the hoax?
If claims are in fact valid they not only have to be filed but also paid within a certain length of time as noted in the legal documentation
So my guess is Michael cannot come back until this part is settled as well.  In essence he comes back debt free.
Claims paid in full, case closed, with a stipulation that they cannot reopen and ask for more money.
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Tereza ick könnt dir knutschen, wa - dieser Fotovergleich, perfekt *boah*, das Video in dem Murray-Thread - japp, das könnte es wirklich sein  *tanz um den Tisch herum*

DANKE :)
:D  :D  :D Da schließ ich mich doch gleich an und tanze mit!  ;)
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Does this mean that Michael never intended to do the 02 concerts?  I don't understand the timing.  Why now?
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I always thought (during this hoax) that he was never gonna do the concerts.
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yeah sounds like that all makes sense but .....
michael was found "NOT GUILTY" remember!?
i just dont get why he would be doing this for that reason when he didnt get done for it the justice system was RIGHT at that time? :S
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Great post Bec, very well put together and I think you may be onto something.
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THIS IS IT

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:D  :D  :D  It think you are right!!!! :D  :D  :D
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Not to burst anybody's bubble, but...wouldn't the D.A. need to see the supposed "corpse"?  Or do you think they are strictly going along with what they have been told by the media, that MJ died, etc.  Just wondering about that ...
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In reply to the original poster.. i do not think the police have been following the medias lead at all.  In fact, its been the opposite...  they have waited over 7 months and havent given in to the pressure.  All the information we have read about the case has come from TMZ.. NOTHING has come officially from the police or DA,
It is speculation that Murray will be arrested and charged with involuntary manslaughter.. nothing is confirmed yet.  

Also..  Dr Murray has 7 different children by different mothers and fails to pay for their upkeep.. he may be a "professional black man"... but clearly he doesnt have the morals or foresight to stick a condom on it!!!

As Michael Jackson said "IF YOU CANT FEED THE BABY, THEN DONT HAVE THE BABY"
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So perhaps the practicing, the movie, the concert ready set go, all of it was planned by Michael to show just how unaddictedhe was prior to this hoax; yet the media,etc. (in assuming MJ was dead never to be heard from again) in it's deviant practices and continuing witch hunt against him, were willing to forgo the obvious to make their case anyway?  And that case just happened to hinge on MJ being a drug addict regardless of his performance on screen and medical findings.  Am I going in the right direction?  If not, please guide me.
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Quote from: "MeandMyShadow"
Not to burst anybody's bubble, but...wouldn't the D.A. need to see the supposed "corpse"?  Or do you think they are strictly going along with what they have been told by the media, that MJ died, etc.  Just wondering about that ...

Not sure.  I guess I would have to ask how "regular" cases are handled.  Would DA need to actually see dead body or is it just a given with proper documentation that the person is deceased.  I really don't know.
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A very good post Bec! It makes all the sense in the world!
I was thinking the same way as you are but I couldn't said it better myself.

I have the feeling we're getting closer to the 'why' of this hoax and the revealing of te hoax.
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Since Murray is the apparent scapegoat, if it's not Murray that goes to jail, then I hope all the "real" bas***** get jailed, i.e., all of the "Dr. Feelgoods" or anyone else who had a hand in Michael's downfall.  There is so much corruption and conspiracy all around,  the list of suspects could be quite long.
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Really I so agree with you Bet,great post,it absolutely adds up.
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Ever since the Murray video showed up on YouTube I have this feeling like Murray was a symbolism for Michael as well. Things were so similar. You can draw many parallels between murray and michael how they are portrayed in the media. Even money troubles  :lol:

Great writeup.
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I would also like to say as far as the "Dr. Feelgoods" go.. the dateline special on Fri night showed an interview with Gotham CHopra in which he stated that MJ (supposedly) could get drugs from doctors ALL OVER the Beverly HIlls area... and personally I feel that Dr. Kline is one of them. :|
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I would also like to say as far as the "Dr. Feelgoods" go.. the dateline special on Fri night showed an interview with Gotham CHopra in which he stated that MJ (supposedly) could get drugs from doctors ALL OVER the Beverly HIlls area... and personally I feel that Dr. Kline is one of them. :|
 here, here, totally agree. Truth be told I believe a lot of those drugs allegedly gotten for MJ in other names were for the good ole docs themselves.  Klein def appears to be a pill popper, pusher and maybe a bit more.
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These are the contradictions that I have had in this whole story long before his supposedly "death" on June 25.

Anyone who has ever been around anybody with an addiction, know that you CAN'T have a relationship with an addict. Their relationship is with the addiction and every waking hour and resource they have is spent on their addiction. There is NO other relationship.

So how could he have such well behaved and obviously confident children? The one undisputed fact from everyone is that his children are intelligent and well behaved and that Michael took an active role in their parenting. That is not like any addict I have ever been around.

I never took Michael for a quitter or a coward. After all, this is the only child who stood up to their Dad's abuse (per the Jackson movie) and said he wouldn't sing if he hit him again. This is the same man who publicly criticized Motolla. If truly the LAPD, Sneddon, Motolla, et al were behind the child molestation charge, I never believed he would let that alone.

Most of all, I never believed there could really be a "Michael Jackson comeback" unless some of the maliciousness by the press were addressed. I don't believe he would allow that legacy to be left for his children. Whatever his father's parenting skills or lack of, he wanted his family to have respect and dignity, not to be handcuffed and booked. Jermaine talked about this very painfully in the last interview. I think you have to understand where they had come from and what they had seen to understand how painful that is.

Maybe I believe in fairy tales, but I want Michael Jackson to be truly restored, in every sense as he justly deserves. I think he will entertain again. But the whole package has to come together. The child molestation allegations took away not only his livelihood but his dignity and integrity. We his fans lost 10 years of his music. That's a huge debt.

I believe.
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To add to the many compliments here, very well pieced together.Brilliantly done.  :D
This is too perfect not to be true. Michael and his comrades are trapping the spider in a web of it's own making. In TII he reveals himself coming out of a spider :!:  8-)  :!:
I think we have CHECK-MATE ;)
Exciting times are ahead, I have no doubt...
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Quote from: "supermj4eva"
yeah sounds like that all makes sense but .....
michael was found "NOT GUILTY" remember!?
i just dont get why he would be doing this for that reason when he didnt get done for it the justice system was RIGHT at that time? :S
.......

The pain and the torture didn't just *go away* with the verdict. The DA and LAPD made Michael's life worse then a living hell for months during that ordeal. He never did anything wrong. Shit, he devoted his life to bettering the lives of others and THIS was how he was repaid? By being falsely accused and having his name drug through the mud and splashed across the tabloids with the WORST accusations posible? They ruined his life, his career, and his legacy with LIES. They nearly destroyed him. A Not Guilty verdict doesn't erase that.

So the justice system worked? Yes and no. The way I see it, his lawyers did their job, not the justice system. Either way, it seems pretty plausable to me that Michael was destroyed by the entire thing, which makes it logical to think he might have a little something to say about the way the system functions in this country... and the power that the media have to destroy lives.
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Quote from: "MeandMyShadow"
Not to burst anybody's bubble, but...wouldn't the D.A. need to see the supposed "corpse"?  Or do you think they are strictly going along with what they have been told by the media, that MJ died, etc.  Just wondering about that ...

If you think the DA actually walks into the morgue and views dead bodies involved with criminal investigations I (to steal a phrase) got a bridge to sell you.
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Does this mean that Michael never intended to do the 02 concerts?  I don't understand the timing.  Why now?

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ok, so theres been some speculation that michael may face litigation for profitting from this, TII, record sales, etc right?

Somehow elaboration on this point I skipped in my copy paste transfer to create this post.

The above should have had this added to it:
Well good luck with having a prosecutor prove that these record and memoribilia sales generated after 6-25 would NOT have occured following the O2 concert comeback series.

In other words, Michael had a HUGE comeback planned.... which would have resulted (potentially) in massive record sales, DVD sales, and merchandising. Profits should have been through the roof anyway thanks to the O2 concerts. Wink wink nudge nudge....

In my opinion, THIS is the purpose for the O2 concerts series: As a safety net for potential litigation claiming Michael profitting from the death hoax following the reveal.
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yeah sounds like that all makes sense but .....
michael was found "NOT GUILTY" remember!?
i just dont get why he would be doing this for that reason when he didnt get done for it the justice system was RIGHT at that time? :S
.......

I understand what you mean, but if this is the right theory maybe Michael will be on stand by on verdict day and if Murray gets convicted he'll walk in to the court room and maybe who knows he'll stay away for a while longer if Murray is found not guilty.

Either way like Michael, Murray's name will have been dragged through the mud and he will have lost not fans but patients and credibility. For what? For the media on a power trip who is being severely judgemental just cause it kinda looks the way they are putting it and it's helping them make a quick buck off a scandal. To make it even better, once they have the ball rollin they are in complete control because they caused it and now the entire world is believing and buying their rubbish.

@Bec
IMO you are definetly onto something here, you blew my mind. Caught me off guard there, it just seemed to come out of the blue!! :o  :P

Wow!! this is a genius plan. I am pretty sure Michael would get comprehension from the bigger part of the public if Michael did this to prove a point about the media and how the consequences can be huge. Everyone was saying how risky it was for Michael to come back after hoaxing his death, that he would really be torn apart, that everything the media did to him before would seem like a walk in the park in comparison. I know even if it were not Michael who had did this my reaction would be shock and understanding and it would give me a sense of awareness not to believe what I may read in tabloids.

Again wow!! Everything is there IMO. I am at loss for words to even begin explaining the state of aaawww and shock I am in right now. :D  :o  :D  :mrgreen:  :geek:  :shock:

I pray you are right, do you have any inside contacts or something? :lol:
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Pretty brilliant post! Look like things are finally beginning to open up. :)
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Congratulations, Bec, on a great post.  Excellent insight.  Also, Rita Hayworth, remarkable observations.  IMHO, the bottom line is this is all for Mike's children.  They are his heart, his everything.  Restoration, bringing back to dignity and right, mending and healing, this is it, his vision for their future.  And he is willing to do whatever it takes to make that happen.
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THANK YOU, bec for posting this.  You enlightened us (well at least me for sure) the other night in the chatroom, and explained your thoughts even more methodically here for all to see. Great job... this idea really makes sense to me, as I was really struggling with the "role" of Murray.  Not knowing (or at least thinking about) all the legal ins and outs that you eluded to was a stumbling block for me.  This was awesome and I am excited to see what happens........
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I think your absolutely right. It makes perfect sense. Great post.
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Makes a heck of a lot of sense.  Good point by "angel" too that this is for his kids and their future, if true.  As far as reasons go, that's a good one.  Great comment by "Rita Hayworth" too.

Seems to be coming together now...

As far as Karen Faye and the TINI group...personally I don't think they're in on it, if this is the case, because they seem to be going after Kenny O and AEG.  LaToya threw the "murder" idea out there, Karen Faye took that and formed her own opinions.  I could be wrong, but if this theory presented here in this thread is true (and it makes a whole lot of sense), then she seems to be "off message" in more ways than one.
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Wow!!! Very, very good points!!  :o  :o  :o

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Wow!!! Very, very good points!!  :o  :o  :o

Do I have your permission to share this with others?

In what way?
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Wow!!! Very, very good points!!  :o  :o  :o

Do I have your permission to share this with others?

In what way?

On blogs, etc.
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This is a very good and insightful post. I always had this understanding that there were parallels between the two hence why they used a professional Black man, like you said. Before, I wondered if this is a hoax then why him? Not saying race is everything but in this case, I always thought there was a reason for this. At first, I thought it was folks framing him for MJ's murder but then once things got a little strange and I noticed a lot of coincidences, I wondered why MJ would use him as a suspect but now I get it. Thanks for putting it so eloquently and clearly for everyone to understand. This seems to make a lot of sense to me and I'm wondering if the foreign camera crew that is following Murray will create a documentary that will be a hoax within the hoax? I am really curious with what will happen tomorrow.
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Wow!!! Very, very good points!!  :o  :o  :o

Do I have your permission to share this with others?

In what way?

On blogs, etc.

It is already blogged here:
http://exploringthehoax.wordpress.com/

So if you'd like to link to Mo and Souza's forum AND that blog then yes, please. But please do not cut and paste the text, just use the links. Thanks, and I am flattered.
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Yeah, I was just thinking about something like this!
Thank you, bec! ;)
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Yeah thats the true reason IMO...Because I read another thread under the Breaking News segment.Its called "REASON WHY MURRAY IS BEING USED".

That member also echoed your thoughts........Theres this mention about a film released in 1957.....It was called "the court of last resort"


In that film theres this character called Conrad Murray ...who like this doctor is a falsely accused criminal....and fights for justice.......and ultimately wins paro;le......Thers more info on this in that thread....
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I love the way you have worked all that out and i agree.
Is MJ not a genius?
It's going to be a great day when he returns. The world will surely move in a new
and much needed direction. It will herald the New World.

Long Live MJ
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Thankyou Bec, GREAT job!! I guess pain's make a bit more sense since we are speaking of two people going through pain (MJ and Murray). :D
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This seems to make a lot of sense to me and I'm wondering if the foreign camera crew that is following Murray will create a documentary that will be a hoax within the hoax?

I have also been wondering what the purpose of the Murray documentary is...I guess we'll have to wait and find out.
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Great post! I totally agree.
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I have only one thing to say :

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I just came across some very interesting youtube videos today, and it totally supports everything said here today.......The whole time, we knew he was alive.  But we weren't sure why he had to do this.  I remember reading that we should listen to Murrays words carefully on his youtube video message.  It was a message from MJ.  He spoke for MJ.  This is so great.  Finally some good news.........I want to reinforce this revelation by showing you these videos:   Please watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOu6FUjxGHE  and this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsA4-LjXO00
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I want you to try to imagine that instead of Murray’s voice on tape : Murray video speech, you hear MJ’s voice, pls imagine these ! I must say it’s not similar with the words in the tape but close to. I had this probl. because I listened the original, English – translated then in my language and now again in English… that’s crazy !!! :D

I imagine MJ perfectly in this video as his voice/message to us, so This Is It !… and very much agree with Bec post,  maybe this post will help related to all Bec wrote.

“Because I have the opportunity which is ONE  in a life,  I must cease the activity for an indefinite period”

-So first MJ stops activity for indefinite period, if now we say it’s Murray talking
 indefinite period WRONG! it is definite he knew exactly the TII concerts June 2009-March 2010

"Again I offer to patients (us) a state of art (could be the movie TII) and having YOUR trust and confidence, although the road is different from person to person THE CHALLENGE (this is a challenge for MJ) has been assumed with care and worry, regarding of YOU (us), but we succeed (we possibly are: MJ and KO and team) due to my continuous concern for YOUR HEALTH (ours).

Our trust and confidence, yes MJ wanted this and hoped and asked, you know in TII, his speech at the end you must not be scared… escapism…
 
Murray: asking trust /confidence from patients – Wrong!  – it is reverse, I, the patient first must trust in DR and after that to be mutual trust confidence.
 
YOUR HEALTH –ours – MJ: possible disclosure of health system in USA, drugs etc..

"MY MISSION  (MJ’ s MISSION)  at this moment is to find an adequate  replacement for me who shall continue my work (maybe, KO, maybe his brothers)
MJ’s  MISSION here is big :  maybe the Justice problem, health problem, save Planet etc.. (MJ shirt - MIssion word)

Murray - Mission – NO dr. says mission, it’s not a common word for dr. ,better purpose any word but no mission

“During my absence I shall  continue to manage the medical treatments (MJ continues charities, but also stage/direct all related to him and US his fans.. others) and to involve myself as much as possible BUT FROM DISTANCE.”
 
MJ, Yes, from distance because we can’t see him,  although I’m sure he sees us and this is on the net world , my opinion.  ;)

Murray - how he could manage treatments? By phone from London? And Why to do so if another dr. would replace him, that dr. is in charge as long as Murray was absent.

“In  the  name of my family ans my stuff I WANT TO SAY THAT THEY APPRECIATED YOU AS MUCH AS I DID. Again I am DEEPLY SAD TO LEAVE YOU now BUT PLEASE REMEMBER MY ABSENCE IS NOT PERMANENT. “ ;)

MJ gives us THE BIG GUARANTEES that we must trust in his family and stuff (Ortega…others) because they appreciated us the same as he did. VERY CLEAR MESSAGE FROM MJ.
 
Murray – could not say this : in the name of his family. Is any patient interested to be appreciated by dr’s family or by stuff ? OK,  Murray was leaving, patients wanted to know who will replace him, that’s all. Not about his family or stuff.

Also the word appreciate is not OK in Murray mouth, he should say: you can trust in the new dr. who will take care of you –lol NOT appreciate! – appreciate by his family ?? come on!
 
MJ is deeply sad leaving us, YES, we saw and feel this,  but says : remember:  is NOT permanent, so will come back !! ;)
 
Murray deeply sad ?? come on,  any dr. is happy to work somewhere else for much more money, a dr. usually says : good-bye and wish you the best. End!.

"I wish to each of you and every one countinuous health, success, prosperity and PEACE."

MJ wishing us health and all yes … he couldn’t say I love you more,  ;) we understand.

But Murray ??
Wishing to the patients success?? Prosperity ?? and most of all Peace, If a real dr. tells me this when he is leaving for 8-9 months, especially PEACE !!, I’ll throw myself from 10 m high. I bet NO dr. says these words in these circumstances.
PEACE LOL??  Dr’s word ?? Maybe Marlon's word, you know: Study Peace or of a priest yes !   ;)
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OMG!!!  :shock:  :o

This is TOTALLY INSANE!!! Can it be true? omgomgomg.......what if?????


OMG Bec, if you were next to me right now I would kiss you!!! ON THE LIPS!!!!

BRAVO!!!
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Great post!! Makes complete sense!
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It was right in front of our eyes. Thank you Bec for helping us put on our glasses! :geek:  
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I cannot believe people on here laughing and joking about Karen Faye and Latoya . What if they are right, and he is dead ? Lets not forget that Jermaine ,Joe and Katherine all  say there was a conspiracy in 04 . Why is it that people want to listen to the media and all kinds of people that don't even know Michael ,instead of listening to His family and friends ? I don't get it . Seems to me that everyone is doing exactly what he said NOT to do . Listen to and believe the media .Most of the info on this site is from media ,wether it is internet ,TV or print . Speculation ! Isn't that a word MJ used in his music ? Hello I don't see How this could EVER be something to laugh and joke about . SORRY .It is as tho ,well, we are going to make fun of and ridicule anybody that dose not agree with our THEORY {THeory being the key word } Some folks on her seem to be confusing the line between FACT & THEORY . Are you really here to promote your own agenda or are you here to truly find out what happened to MJ ?.How can you just keep with the almost constant ridicule of MJ 's Family members and friends ? Especially his kids . And some folks think that MJ would find it amusing to watch his family being accused of lying and faking tears ? You think this would make him happy ? And I am not saying this to everyone on the site . Those of you that have done what I stated above {key words "some folks } You know who you are .
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I agree with you. Though it looks like Murray murdered Michael they have no evidence or facts to prove it.
May the truth prevail.
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BRAVO...I believe you are completely right...Everyone will know the TRUTH...
I LOVE YOU, MICHAEL and ALL my fellow BELIEVERS!
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Quote from: "akiraka"
I want you to try to imagine that instead of Murray’s voice on tape : Murray video speech, you hear MJ’s voice, pls imagine these ! I must say it’s not similar with the words in the tape but close to. I had this probl. because I listened the original, English – translated then in my language and now again in English… that’s crazy !!! :D

I imagine MJ perfectly in this video as his voice/message to us, so This Is It !… and very much agree with Bec post,  maybe this post will help related to all Bec wrote.

“Because I have the opportunity which is ONE  in a life,  I must cease the activity for an indefinite period”

-So first MJ stops activity for indefinite period, if now we say it’s Murray talking
 indefinite period WRONG! it is definite he knew exactly the TII concerts June 2009-March 2010

"Again I offer to patients (us) a state of art (could be the movie TII) and having YOUR trust and confidence, although the road is different from person to person THE CHALLENGE (this is a challenge for MJ) has been assumed with care and worry, regarding of YOU (us), but we succeed (we possibly are: MJ and KO and team) due to my continuous concern for YOUR HEALTH (ours).

Our trust and confidence, yes MJ wanted this and hoped and asked, you know in TII, his speech at the end you must not be scared… escapism…
 
Murray: asking trust /confidence from patients – Wrong!  – it is reverse, I, the patient first must trust in DR and after that to be mutual trust confidence.
 
YOUR HEALTH –ours – MJ: possible disclosure of health system in USA, drugs etc..

"MY MISSION  (MJ’ s MISSION)  at this moment is to find an adequate  replacement for me who shall continue my work (maybe, KO, maybe his brothers)
MJ’s  MISSION here is big :  maybe the Justice problem, health problem, save Planet etc.. (MJ shirt - MIssion word)

Murray - Mission – NO dr. says mission, it’s not a common word for dr. ,better purpose any word but no mission

“During my absence I shall  continue to manage the medical treatments (MJ continues charities, but also stage/direct all related to him and US his fans.. others) and to involve myself as much as possible BUT FROM DISTANCE.”
 
MJ, Yes, from distance because we can’t see him,  although I’m sure he sees us and this is on the net world , my opinion.  ;)

Murray - how he could manage treatments? By phone from London? And Why to do so if another dr. would replace him, that dr. is in charge as long as Murray was absent.

“In  the  name of my family ans my stuff I WANT TO SAY THAT THEY APPRECIATED YOU AS MUCH AS I DID. Again I am DEEPLY SAD TO LEAVE YOU now BUT PLEASE REMEMBER MY ABSENCE IS NOT PERMANENT. “ ;)

MJ gives us THE BIG GUARANTEES that we must trust in his family and stuff (Ortega…others) because they appreciated us the same as he did. VERY CLEAR MESSAGE FROM MJ.
 
Murray – could not say this : in the name of his family. Is any patient interested to be appreciated by dr’s family or by stuff ? OK,  Murray was leaving, patients wanted to know who will replace him, that’s all. Not about his family or stuff.

Also the word appreciate is not OK in Murray mouth, he should say: you can trust in the new dr. who will take care of you –lol NOT appreciate! – appreciate by his family ?? come on!
 
MJ is deeply sad leaving us, YES, we saw and feel this,  but says : remember:  is NOT permanent, so will come back !! ;)
 
Murray deeply sad ?? come on,  any dr. is happy to work somewhere else for much more money, a dr. usually says : good-bye and wish you the best. End!.

"I wish to each of you and every one countinuous health, success, prosperity and PEACE."

MJ wishing us health and all yes … he couldn’t say I love you more,  ;) we understand.

But Murray ??
Wishing to the patients success?? Prosperity ?? and most of all Peace, If a real dr. tells me this when he is leaving for 8-9 months, especially PEACE !!, I’ll throw myself from 10 m high. I bet NO dr. says these words in these circumstances.
PEACE LOL??  Dr’s word ?? Maybe Marlon's word, you know: Study Peace or of a priest yes !   ;)
Oh my God, it was a little hard to understand you, but I get what you mean! I often wonder if MJ really knows what this is putting us through, emotionally..  That is such a good interpretation, you and Bec! Oh dear Lord, it makes so much sense, but Bec, what do you make of today's proceedings with the ol' Doc? Do they fit in?
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Ok suppose this was done to prove how the media works.  What the hell do you think is going to happen to Mj if he is alive and he stated that he was just trying to make a point with his fake death.  If this nreally was the case can you just imagine how the media, the police and other non fans eill treat him.  My bet they would hang him up by his toes.  No, it has to be because he was scared for his life !!
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Quote from: "akiraka"
I want you to try to imagine that instead of Murray’s voice on tape : Murray video speech, you hear MJ’s voice, pls imagine these ! I must say it’s not similar with the words in the tape but close to. I had this probl. because I listened the original, English – translated then in my language and now again in English… that’s crazy !!! :D

I imagine MJ perfectly in this video as his voice/message to us, so This Is It !… and very much agree with Bec post,  maybe this post will help related to all Bec wrote.

“Because I have the opportunity which is ONE  in a life,  I must cease the activity for an indefinite period”

-So first MJ stops activity for indefinite period, if now we say it’s Murray talking
 indefinite period WRONG! it is definite he knew exactly the TII concerts June 2009-March 2010

"Again I offer to patients (us) a state of art (could be the movie TII) and having YOUR trust and confidence, although the road is different from person to person THE CHALLENGE (this is a challenge for MJ) has been assumed with care and worry, regarding of YOU (us), but we succeed (we possibly are: MJ and KO and team) due to my continuous concern for YOUR HEALTH (ours).

Our trust and confidence, yes MJ wanted this and hoped and asked, you know in TII, his speech at the end you must not be scared… escapism…
 
Murray: asking trust /confidence from patients – Wrong!  – it is reverse, I, the patient first must trust in DR and after that to be mutual trust confidence.
 
YOUR HEALTH –ours – MJ: possible disclosure of health system in USA, drugs etc..

"MY MISSION  (MJ’ s MISSION)  at this moment is to find an adequate  replacement for me who shall continue my work (maybe, KO, maybe his brothers)
MJ’s  MISSION here is big :  maybe the Justice problem, health problem, save Planet etc.. (MJ shirt - MIssion word)

Murray - Mission – NO dr. says mission, it’s not a common word for dr. ,better purpose any word but no mission

“During my absence I shall  continue to manage the medical treatments (MJ continues charities, but also stage/direct all related to him and US his fans.. others) and to involve myself as much as possible BUT FROM DISTANCE.”
 
MJ, Yes, from distance because we can’t see him,  although I’m sure he sees us and this is on the net world , my opinion.  ;)

Murray - how he could manage treatments? By phone from London? And Why to do so if another dr. would replace him, that dr. is in charge as long as Murray was absent.

“In  the  name of my family ans my stuff I WANT TO SAY THAT THEY APPRECIATED YOU AS MUCH AS I DID. Again I am DEEPLY SAD TO LEAVE YOU now BUT PLEASE REMEMBER MY ABSENCE IS NOT PERMANENT. “ ;)

MJ gives us THE BIG GUARANTEES that we must trust in his family and stuff (Ortega…others) because they appreciated us the same as he did. VERY CLEAR MESSAGE FROM MJ.
 
Murray – could not say this : in the name of his family. Is any patient interested to be appreciated by dr’s family or by stuff ? OK,  Murray was leaving, patients wanted to know who will replace him, that’s all. Not about his family or stuff.

Also the word appreciate is not OK in Murray mouth, he should say: you can trust in the new dr. who will take care of you –lol NOT appreciate! – appreciate by his family ?? come on!
 
MJ is deeply sad leaving us, YES, we saw and feel this,  but says : remember:  is NOT permanent, so will come back !! ;)
 
Murray deeply sad ?? come on,  any dr. is happy to work somewhere else for much more money, a dr. usually says : good-bye and wish you the best. End!.

"I wish to each of you and every one countinuous health, success, prosperity and PEACE."

MJ wishing us health and all yes … he couldn’t say I love you more,  ;) we understand.

But Murray ??
Wishing to the patients success?? Prosperity ?? and most of all Peace, If a real dr. tells me this when he is leaving for 8-9 months, especially PEACE !!, I’ll throw myself from 10 m high. I bet NO dr. says these words in these circumstances.
PEACE LOL??  Dr’s word ?? Maybe Marlon's word, you know: Study Peace or of a priest yes !   ;)


There are many things forgotten, such as the good-bye letter of Murray.
Murray speaks for Michael during his absence. That is his role.
The letter was the good-bye of Michael, saying he would be absent for a while.
I hope he's not too hurt that his words did not get through to so many.
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and i think THIS is EXACTLY what michael KNEW would happen

and i think michael is BETTING that corruption wins out over truth

and michael is BETTING that they will bring charges, EVEN WITHOUT A DEAD PERSON

which, constitutes FRAUD

and PROVES that the entire system is, and i quote michael, “jacked”

The whole system sucks big time...

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There are courtrooms where judges and lawyers scream like lunatics at their victims, where judges and lawyers tell lies and plant false evidence, and no one says a word to fight them. Innocent people get sentenced to prison, or even to be strapped to a table and put to death; or people are told they will be sent to jail unless they pay extortion money to friends of the judge. Judges are hiring thugs to engage in extortion and intimidation against other people. Fake trials are held, where both "sides" of lawyers help the judge conduct a fake trial against the victim.

http://faqusajudicialcorruption.blogspot.com/
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Ok suppose this was done to prove how the media works.  What the hell do you think is going to happen to Mj if he is alive and he stated that he was just trying to make a point with his fake death.  If this nreally was the case can you just imagine how the media, the police and other non fans eill treat him.  My bet they would hang him up by his toes.  No, it has to be because he was scared for his life !!

You didn't read a word I said did you, because I refuted every line of this argument already.
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i agree with you fans i believe in the hoax coz im desperate for my idol Michael to be alive! Michael come back to us pls we are your die hard core fanatic fans for life
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great post bec!
makes sence to me! :)
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superb post !
it absolutely makes sense and is really an eye opener
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As I said at the begining of this thread this is a really good theory.
But I read here and there explanations and theories saying that the deal of this hoax is this or this other problem you have in the USA.

Are you telling me Michael would be doing all that and putting the whole world attention on your domestic problems?

Well, I´d like to think that´s not so... I´d be loosing my time!

Please, I know it´s hard for you. But, shall you try to be a little bit more global thinkers?
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Your post makes absolute perfect sense! I really think you hit the nail on this one!
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since when do you get "booked" at a courthouse?
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To me makes perfect sense yeah!



OMG That just popped into my head as I was reading before I got to your answer Murray is Michael !! remember the Murray youtube just like Michaels statement from neverland this is huge but I still believe this is only part of why Michael did this but a BIG part anyone agree?
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yeah sounds like that all makes sense but .....
michael was found "NOT GUILTY" remember!?
i just dont get why he would be doing this for that reason when he didnt get done for it the justice system was RIGHT at that time? :S
.......

I understand what you mean, but if this is the right theory maybe Michael will be on stand by on verdict day and if Murray gets convicted he'll walk in to the court room and maybe who knows he'll stay away for a while longer if Murray is found not guilty.

Either way like Michael, Murray's name will have been dragged through the mud and he will have lost not fans but patients and credibility. For what? For the media on a power trip who is being severely judgemental just cause it kinda looks the way they are putting it and it's helping them make a quick buck off a scandal. To make it even better, once they have the ball rollin they are in complete control because they caused it and now the entire world is believing and buying their rubbish.

@Bec
IMO you are definetly onto something here, you blew my mind. Caught me off guard there, it just seemed to come out of the blue!! :o  :P

Wow!! this is a genius plan. I am pretty sure Michael would get comprehension from the bigger part of the public if Michael did this to prove a point about the media and how the consequences can be huge. Everyone was saying how risky it was for Michael to come back after hoaxing his death, that he would really be torn apart, that everything the media did to him before would seem like a walk in the park in comparison. I know even if it were not Michael who had did this my reaction would be shock and understanding and it would give me a sense of awareness not to believe what I may read in tabloids.

Again wow!! Everything is there IMO. I am at loss for words to even begin explaining the state of aaawww and shock I am in right now. :D  :o  :D  :mrgreen:  :geek:  :shock:

I pray you are right, do you have any inside contacts or something? :lol:

It blew my mind too and if it all plays out as some of us think it may Murray will be revealed as the man who helped Michael in this important matter and Murray the "killer" will be Murray the "hero"
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So, do I get it right?

Conrad Murray HAS to be charged, so Michael can come back to proof, that the system and the government goes wrong and is charging people for something they didn't do?

I hope I understand this right  :oops:
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It blew my mind too and if it all plays out as some of us think it may Murray will be revealed as the man who helped Michael in this important matter and Murray the "killer" will be Murray the "hero"

I´m spreading the idea that Murray really seems a good guy. So the paralelism between MJ and him, being lovely and falsely accused would be clear.
In this direction I think it goes the new report from Murray lawyer from TMZ:

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Dr. Murray As 'Inspirational' as Michael Jackson

Posted Feb 10th 2010 12:50PM by TMZ Staff

One of the members of Dr. Conrad Murray's legal team says he's not concerned about the possibility of a downtown L.A. jury dominated by African Americans, because "Dr. Murray is as much of an inspiration as Michael Jackson was."

http://http://www.tmz.com/category/michael-jackson/#ixzz0fBzkPd9X


J. Michael Flanagan tells TMZ Dr. Murray is a man of "humble means who became very successful" and a jury will appreciate that.

Flanagan also told us the defense team has received a summary of the official investigation, but he says the L.A. County District Attorney's Office has informed Murray's lawyers it will take several weeks before the D.A. gives them a copy of the full file.

If all this was real I don´t think he would dare to say that.

About the summary... mmmm... I think will have the full file too  :lol:  :lol:
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It blew my mind too and if it all plays out as some of us think it may Murray will be revealed as the man who helped Michael in this important matter and Murray the "killer" will be Murray the "hero"

I´m spreading the idea that Murray really seems a good guy. So the paralelism between MJ and him, being lovely and falsely accused would be clear.
In this direction I think it goes the new report from Murray lawyer from TMZ:

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Dr. Murray As 'Inspirational' as Michael Jackson

Posted Feb 10th 2010 12:50PM by TMZ Staff

One of the members of Dr. Conrad Murray's legal team says he's not concerned about the possibility of a downtown L.A. jury dominated by African Americans, because "Dr. Murray is as much of an inspiration as Michael Jackson was."

http://http://www.tmz.com/category/michael-jackson/#ixzz0fBzkPd9X


J. Michael Flanagan tells TMZ Dr. Murray is a man of "humble means who became very successful" and a jury will appreciate that.

Flanagan also told us the defense team has received a summary of the official investigation, but he says the L.A. County District Attorney's Office has informed Murray's lawyers it will take several weeks before the D.A. gives them a copy of the full file.

If all this was real I don´t think he would dare to say that.

About the summary... mmmm... I think will have the full file too  :lol:  :lol:

I agree...seems the point of that article is to suggest a similarity between the two, and like you said, if it was real, I don't see how the lawyer would dare say such a thing.  Yeah, they both had humble beginnings, have successful careers etc. etc.  but there is a HUGE difference between being a doctor who nobody had ever heard of 8 months ago, and being the biggest star on the planet...lol  To the average observer this would be outrageous, but it makes perfect sense and goes along with the hoax to us.  I keep telling my non-believer friends that the only thing that makes sense out of all this nonsense is that it's a hoax...lol

BTW I am also trying to subtly spread the word among non-believers just by saying that we shouldn't jump to conclusions and convict the guy based on media reports, wait for the court to decide if he's guilty or not, not the media...like we kept telling the haters during MJ's trial.   ;)
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PinkTopaz sorry, I realize it was difficult to understand, the ideea was that all Murray's speech doesn't fit with Murray personality, Murray the Doctor etc.. it fits with MJ totally. The words used by Murray are unfit for a doctor, that's what I wanted to underline.

for example the Mission to find someone to replace him (Murray). Is this a MISSION for a Dr.? a replacement ? Mission it's a word of a complex meaning. Just to replace a dr. with another, I don't know the exact word in English, but sure it's not a MISSION for someone like Murray, or any doctor.


or another example :

in the name of Murray's family and his stuff he, Murray, said to his patients that they are appreciated by his family and stuff, like he Murray has appreciated them. This sound wired.

because :
we all have a dr., family dr. or others, so are you appreciated by dr's family (uncles, brothers, etc..)?  I don't think so, I guess dr's relatives didn't even know us.That was my point! But if we related all this speech to MJ, we can say that the fans are known by MJ's family, MJ's stuff..and I believe MJ wanted to point that fans are appreciated by his family and stuff.

So here I saw the differences and the fact that nothing from this video fits with a speech made by Murray.

Grace yes, I know about the good-bye letter of Murray, I didn't mentioned it, because it's a written "evidence" and I'm not 100% sure that it belongs to him.  

Instead in this video 100% is Murray and he is talking, it's Murray who we all know from newspapers TV... A written letter can't be verified by whom was released. That was the reason I couldn't consider this letter. I only assume it belong to Murray, in fact to MJ, but still is just an assumption.

hope know I explained better ;)
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PinkTopaz sorry, I realize it was difficult to understand, the ideea was that all Murray's speech doesn't fit with Murray personality, Murray the Doctor etc.. it fits with MJ totally. The words used by Murray are unfit for a doctor, that's what I wanted to underline.

for example the Mission to find someone to replace him (Murray). Is this a MISSION for a Dr.? a replacement ? Mission it's a word of a complex meaning. Just to replace a dr. with another, I don't know the exact word in English, but sure it's not a MISSION for someone like Murray, or any doctor.


or another example :

in the name of Murray's family and his stuff he, Murray, said to his patients that they are appreciated by his family and stuff, like he Murray has appreciated them. This sound wired.

because :
we all have a dr., family dr. or others, so are you appreciated by dr's family (uncles, brothers, etc..)?  I don't think so, I guess dr's relatives didn't even know us.That was my point! But if we related all this speech to MJ, we can say that the fans are known by MJ's family, MJ's stuff..and I believe MJ wanted to point that fans are appreciated by his family and stuff.

So here I saw the differences and the fact that nothing from this video fits with a speech made by Murray.

Grace yes, I know about the good-bye letter of Murray, I didn't mentioned it, because it's a written "evidence" and I'm not 100% sure that it belongs to him.  

Instead in this video 100% is Murray and he is talking, it's Murray who we all know from newspapers TV... A written letter can't be verified by whom was released. That was the reason I couldn't consider this letter. I only assume it belong to Murray, in fact to MJ, but still is just an assumption.

hope know I explained better ;)
Thanks for the details, but I did get what you meant! However these do give more insight, so thanks again! That kinda reminded me of that 1993 message when I first saw it, because that Chris Brown apology message was also out around that time and my siblings and I laughed that they were both copying Michael's beloved video messages! (Because he seems to love filming, like Christmas video messages and award show messages)
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As I said at the begining of this thread this is a really good theory.
But I read here and there explanations and theories saying that the deal of this hoax is this or this other problem you have in the USA.

Are you telling me Michael would be doing all that and putting the whole world attention on your domestic problems?

Well, I´d like to think that´s not so... I´d be loosing my time!

Please, I know it´s hard for you. But, shall you try to be a little bit more global thinkers?

I think this hoax has 3 serious issues it exposes, which I think are all global...

#1 Prejudice...global problem no matter where you live

#2 Media bias/corruption...global problem...didn't a British tabloid start the "Jacko" name?

#3 Government corruption...global problem

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Dr. Murray As 'Inspirational' as Michael Jackson

Posted Feb 10th 2010 12:50PM by TMZ Staff

One of the members of Dr. Conrad Murray's legal team says he's not concerned about the possibility of a downtown L.A. jury dominated by African Americans, because "Dr. Murray is as much of an inspiration as Michael Jackson was."

http://http://www.tmz.com/category/michael-jackson/#ixzz0fBzkPd9X


J. Michael Flanagan tells TMZ Dr. Murray is a man of "humble means who became very successful" and a jury will appreciate that.


Dayum... wow... I didn't see that coming.


Can I say it? Can I say it? Can I say it?

This is as good as the 3 way theory!!

*ducks and runs*

Ok, not quite but seriously, what could be that good. It's close though. Hehehehee.
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Dr. Murray As 'Inspirational' as Michael Jackson

Posted Feb 10th 2010 12:50PM by TMZ Staff

One of the members of Dr. Conrad Murray's legal team says he's not concerned about the possibility of a downtown L.A. jury dominated by African Americans, because "Dr. Murray is as much of an inspiration as Michael Jackson was."

http://http://www.tmz.com/category/michael-jackson/#ixzz0fBzkPd9X


J. Michael Flanagan tells TMZ Dr. Murray is a man of "humble means who became very successful" and a jury will appreciate that.


Dayum... wow... I didn't see that coming.


Can I say it? Can I say it? Can I say it?

This is as good as the 3 way theory!!

*ducks and runs*

Ok, not quite but seriously, what could be that good. It's close though. Hehehehee.
Er, do I want you to elaborate..?
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Do you? Lol. Ask the higher power.

3 way theory=brilliance. Would it's originator like to interject???? HINT HINT.
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lol bec , we were just talking about the 3 way theory this afternoon , yeahh he should  post something here and explain the theory
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^ What in the name of Neverland is it?!
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Bec you have answered the Murray question and many more it just became so much clearer thanks great post!  people keep asking me when is he coming back, my reply is he is waiting for something to happen before he can return I'm just not sure what it is, I think THIS IS IT! He has been charged good news I guess. We will wait with anticipation.   ;)
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^ What in the name of Neverland is it?!

Brilliance. Plain and simple. Pure, original, August brilliance. Last original theory still standing and further strengthened by recent events.

But, a higher power retains the right to share it, not me. Pray he will bestow it upon you.
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^ Real or joke? And where is he?
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I have been minioned to be the messenger by the higher authority. Stay tuned, I'm typing it up now.
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I just wanted to let you all know that there was a raffle that day for 3 seats in the court room, and a chick I know was one of the people whom got to go in the room, she and the other two people were sat behind the jackson family, she was siting behind jermain. A raffle to sit in the court room for the public? Does anybody know if this is normal? She said that Murray seemed vert calm, and the court seemed to have his back, she had been protestinng out there all day, I saw photos of her outside there, and with john tobin, karan faye, and others. I just thought I let you all know. It very strange, Im gona ask her about whom did this raffle, was it the jacksons? Maybe needed to have a few fans in the court room, by why? For surport? That is what Katherine had said to her after they got outside, that she appricated her surport, and loved her shirt, and Randy wanted to know if she would be there april 5th. Just thouht I would share that information.
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The 3 Way Theory. Behold and enjoy: viewtopic.php?f=48&t=5382
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I love this post, it is very good reading and makes sense..I hope its true, im 60/40 on him still being with us... I feel like im going crazy with everyone around me stating hes gone...even my fella who was starting to believe has reverted back since to whole conrad murray thing.. seeing the family at court, and i watched the jacksons fam dynasty in uk recently and seeing them cry..... i mean im still here but im starting to wane slightly in my belief.. BUT IM NEVER GIVING UP ON MIC NOT JUST YET  :?  :cry:  :)  :lol:
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Yes this theory makes perfect sense think about it, if Murray gets charged there is only one person to get him off the hook and that is Michael so either Michael will return if it goes to far and they hand him a sentence or Michael returns before then and Murray is set free, Murray is Michael metaphorically like you said everyone condemned him before knowing the facts just like Michael and the molestation trial
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The 3 Way Theory. Behold and enjoy: viewtopic.php?f=48&t=5382
I read it, and I agree that it is brilliant! I think I've had it in my head all of this time, it's like the simple core of this crazy hoax- and the hoax within a hoax thing just makes total sense, too. Good thinking, Badkolo!
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An article in Australian magazine heavily supporting bec's theory. I have coloured the text for the revealing parts but the most important part is in blue! That part makes me smile, I think it's pretty self explainatory.

THE DEFENCE'S STRATEGY, THE DOCTOR'S LAWYER REVEALS TO OK! HOW HE'LL WIN.

For the first time, Dr Conrad Murray's defence lawyer Ed Chernoff has spoken out about his clients world famous case. According to the Houston based lawyer and former prosecutor, the charged doctor has nothing to worry about in the lead up to his trail for Michael Jackson's death because there's simply not enough evidence to convict him.

"The problem is that they really don't have any heavy evidence" Ed tells renowned journalist Daphne Barack, "I understand these guys, I was A prosecutor. They have so much pressure mounting, but they don't have the evidence they were hoping to have."  

So just who is this doctor who went on to become Micheal Jackson's troubled personal physician? " Conrad met Michael in 2006 after he returned form Bahrain, Paris and Blanket were sick and Conrad was called to take care of them." the lawyer reveals. "They got friendly. For months of friendship and treating Micahel and his kids, he did not give them anything but the needed medicine." Which is exactly why Dr Murray's team say they've nothing to fear come D-Day. " We don't have a problem to prove it in court. It is all in the medical records, which he gave." The laywer goes onto to tell Daphne what many have suspected - that more than one doctor was providing Michael with drugs. " You have a chain of doctors who have given Michael drugs and prescriptions. But the prosecution wants to go only after the last guy who happened to be there that night..."
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You hit the nail on the head! Great job! Srsly! That is exactly what it is... I was getting close to that answer, but I couldn't link what Michael wanted to do with Murray. Thank you again! Keep up the great work and spread the message! Army of L.O.V.E. <3
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Why, why does he do me that way?
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I think this is my first time seeing this thread.

bec - you're amazing!

I know this topic is old, but I think it has a lot of valuable, educated predictions.

"Entertainment purposes only..."

Can't get that out of my head!
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You realize if the truth is in front of us, it is now in front of all who read....
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