Michael Jackson Coroner Report - House of Drugs

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Michael Jackson Coroner Report - House of Drugs

  • on: February 08, 2010, 03:27:59 PM
Michael Jackson Coroner Report - House of Drugs
2/8/2010 12:15 PM PST by TMZ Staff  

TMZ has just obtained a copy of the full L.A. County Coroner's report in the death of Michael Jackson -- which until now was under seal. The conclusion is clear ... Propofol killed the singer.



According to the report, the manner of death is homicide and the conclusion is based on the following 4 items:

1. Circumstances indicate the Propofol and the benzodiazepines were administered by another.

2. Propofol was administered in a non-hospital setting without any appropriate medical indication.

3. The standard of care for administering Propofol was not met. Recommended equipment for patient monitoring, precision dosing and resuscitation was not present.

4. The circumstances do not support self-administration of Propofol.

The Coroner's report was under wraps until the criminal complaint was filed and it will be a centerpiece in the prosecution of Dr. Conrad Murray on charges of involuntary manslaughter.

UPDATE: In the Coroner's report, the scene at Jackson's house is described in detail, and the bedroom sounds like a hospital. There was a chair next to the bed -- "reportedly the decedent's doctor sat here." Also there -- a green oxygen tank, prescription meds, medical supplies, a box of catheters, disposable needles and alcohol pads. Also found -- near the foot of the bed ... a closed bottle of urine.

As we first reported, authorities found 11 bottles of Propofol in the house -- 3 100 ml vials and 8 20 ml vials.

Also, there was talk about Jackson's hair and reports he was bald. In fact, the Coroner's report says, "The decedent's head hair is sparse and is connected to a wig."

UPDATE: As for what drugs were found in Michael Jackson's house ... authorities found Diazepam (for anxiety) prescribed by Dr. Murray, Lorazepam (for anxiety) prescribed by Dr. Murray and Temazepam (for insomnia) prescribed by Dr. Murray. Authorities also found Clonazepam (for panic disorders) prescribed by Dr. Allan Metzger, Trazodone (an anti-depressant) prescribed by Dr. Metzger. And they found Tizanidine (a muscle relaxer) prescribed to Omar Arnold (a Jackson alias) prescribed by Dr. Arnold Klein. There was also an empty vial of Propofol injectable emulsion and an empty glass vial of a Flumazenil injection (which reverses effects of sedation) and a broken syringe.

As we first reported, authorities found 11 vials of Propofol ... 3 100 ml vials and 8 20 ml vials. None of the bottles had prescription directions, patient or doctor names.

They also found liquid Midazolam (anti-anxiety), Lorazepam liquid (injectable) and 14 capsules of ephedrine (for narcolepsy and depression), caffeine aspirin, Zanaflex (a muscle relaxer) and Prednisone (for skin conditions). There was also Azithromycin (an antibiotic), prescribed by Dwight James/Cherilyn Lee and the patient name was Kathlyn Hursey.

UPDATE: An anesthesiologist who consulted with the Coroner said there are "NO reports of its use (Propofol) for insomnia relief, to my knowledge. The only reports of its use in homes are cases of fatal abuse."
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 03:29:18 PM
Oh god.....
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 03:29:56 PM
Michael, please say this is all your plan??
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 03:37:38 PM
Im beginning to accept a murder... and it hurts like hell.

I need to read this full autopsy report.  I need to know what health MJ was in and if this bastard did kill him.  God i feel sick but i need to know
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 03:40:08 PM
Oh Shit !
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 03:43:16 PM
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Im beginning to accept a murder... and it hurts like hell.

I need to read this full autopsy report.  I need to know what health MJ was in and if this bastard did kill him.  God i feel sick but i need to know
Oh no!! :O Don't think like that!!
It could be a part of Michael's plan! He is a genius. Maybe he wants to show everyone in the world what they did to him like what happens now with murray.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 03:48:52 PM
Guys C'mon where is the report? Is that it under Michael's picture? I think TMZ drew that picture LOL It's just a part of the plan. Be positive pls. MICHAEL IS ALIVE! :)
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 03:54:30 PM
For me it's not the report, so I still have the faith that he's alive.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 03:59:58 PM
Murray comes out the car and all the fans screamed: MURDERER!!
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 04:11:37 PM
UPDATE: In the Coroner's report, the scene at Jackson's house is described in detail, and the bedroom sounds like a hospital. There was a chair next to the bed -- "reportedly the decedent's doctor sat here." Also there -- a green oxygen tank, prescription meds, medical supplies, a box of catheters, disposable needles and alcohol pads. Also found -- near the foot of the bed ... a closed bottle of urine.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/category/michael-jac ... z0eytKEDg4
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 04:15:58 PM
why would a Tabloid get the coroners report on MJ???
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 04:23:06 PM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
UPDATE: In the Coroner's report, the scene at Jackson's house is described in detail, and the bedroom sounds like a hospital. There was a chair next to the bed -- "reportedly the decedent's doctor sat here." Also there -- a green oxygen tank, prescription meds, medical supplies, a box of catheters, disposable needles and alcohol pads. Also found -- near the foot of the bed ... a closed bottle of urine.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/category/michael-jac ... z0eytKEDg4
If that is true, no wonder he couldn't sleep
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 04:24:14 PM
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UPDATE: In the Coroner's report, the scene at Jackson's house is described in detail, and the bedroom sounds like a hospital. There was a chair next to the bed -- "reportedly the decedent's doctor sat here." Also there -- a green oxygen tank, prescription meds, medical supplies, a box of catheters, disposable needles and alcohol pads. Also found -- near the foot of the bed ... a closed bottle of urine.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/category/michael-jac ... z0eytKEDg4
If that is true, no wonder he couldn't sleep

Its breaking my heart.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 04:28:27 PM
Also, there was talk about Jackson's hair and reports he was bald. In fact, the Coroner's report says, "The decedent's head hair is sparse and is connected to a wig."

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/category/michael-jac ... z0eyxY2fvX
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 04:30:01 PM
Stop saying he's dead...  :(
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 04:33:46 PM
http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/08/conrad-mu ... son-death/

I was in the chatroom and I said HES NOT DEAD!
Then someone says, "the hoax is over stop being delusional."
 :(
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 04:34:49 PM
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Stop saying he's dead...  :(

Im talking about the autopsy report in the autopsy thread.    :cry:
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 04:44:21 PM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Quote from: "mollyfaithxo"
Stop saying he's dead...  :(

Im talking about the autopsy report in the autopsy thread.    :cry:
TMZ probably made that up..right?
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 04:47:46 PM
Why is it ONLY TMZ that have the "official" report????????? Seems kind of strange that the coroner would give a tabloid this official information, why not a reliabable news source??????????
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 04:49:10 PM
yep thats scarey but i aint buyin it!  more people recently have mentioned in some form about a hoax french tv....uk radio....sun ect then suprise, this!!!! everytime it appears the hoax will get out there something happens. come on guys keep a clear head its getting bumpy   ;)
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 04:50:11 PM
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Why is it ONLY TMZ that have the "official" report????????? Seems kind of strange that the coroner would give a tabloid this official information, why not a reliabable news source??????????
Good question. Somehow it always seems to be TMZ that has the latest news first.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 04:54:00 PM
Sorry but, I didn't find anything official on the TMZ link ?
And how a tabloid can have official documentation and not big medias like CNN for example ?
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 05:00:26 PM
TMZ has put the report online now: Report
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 05:01:24 PM
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TMZ has put the report online now

the whole report?
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

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An anesthesiologist who consulted with the Coroner said there are "NO reports of it's use (Propofol) for insomnia relief, to my knowledge. The only reports of its use in homes are cases of fatal abuse."

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/category/michael-jac ... z0ez62fqGg
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 05:02:31 PM
I'm not buying this at all.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 05:06:45 PM
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TMZ has put the report online now

the whole report?
Apparently, 20 Mb:
 Report
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 05:12:49 PM
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TMZ has put the report online now

the whole report?
Apparently, 20 Mb:
 Report

i cant see it..  have a link?
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 05:14:55 PM
Its ok  i found it
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 05:19:44 PM
CONFIRMS VITILIGO

Says Mj complained of being dehydrated
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 05:24:15 PM
One question for the people livin in the US:

Is it normal that you have displayed the time like that in the report

For Example:

Time Of Death:  14:26 ( this is the european kind of time being displayed or shown)


But isn't it normal for the USA that it should be 2:26 PM?

I hope you know, what I mean...
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 05:27:25 PM
OMG...
This report is real. Oh no, I begin to lost hope. Why the hell, if MJ is alive and this report part of his plan, MJ would show us that !
Common, I really begin the lost hope, I think he's dead now.

I really hope that this report is a tabloid, because if it's not, this would be the clue that MJ is dead. Sorry...
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 05:27:48 PM
report says he had vitilgo and natural teeth.

Says he had an ETT in his mouth??  what is that??
and gauze on his nose...   :?
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 05:36:23 PM
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why would a Tabloid get the coroners report on MJ???

EXACTLY!!!! Esp. TMZ.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 05:38:38 PM
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report says he had vitilgo and natural teeth.

Says he had an ETT in his mouth??  what is that??
and gauze on his nose...   :?
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 05:39:14 PM
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why would a Tabloid get the coroners report on MJ???

EXACTLY!!!! Esp. TMZ.


That's what I was wondering about....And I guess that TMZ are the only one who got this?
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 05:50:51 PM
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One question for the people livin in the US:

Is it normal that you have displayed the time like that in the report

For Example:

Time Of Death:  14:26 ( this is the european kind of time being displayed or shown)


But isn't it normal for the USA that it should be 2:26 PM?

I hope you know, what I mean...


I was a cop for 5 1/2 years... and my father was one for 15+ years. This way of writing time is mainly used in "official" or "important" jobs (government, medical, etc.) ...
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 05:54:09 PM
I just went to ET's website and they do not have the coroner's report. CNN has a copy of the complaint Here's the link.
http://http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/02/08/murray.complaint.pdf

I do not see the Coroner's report. I am watching CNN/HLN and they have not mentioned the Coroner's report
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 05:57:34 PM
In the report it's written that Murray did CPR on the floor :?

it's also said Dr.Cooper pronounced him dead  :( (now we know who tried to revive him and we should connect to this person)
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 06:10:37 PM
There are some shady things about this report: The top says that MJ has all of his natural teeth (the certificate portion). The PDF version says that he had dental implants(ceramic teeth) and some add ons which we know are true...as MJ's teeth changed over the years. That's major...dental records. So how come on the certificate portion of the report..he has all of his natural teeth and in the detailed account he is missing teeth. He also did not look to be 136 pounds at the supposed time of death...that's BS!!! There are many off things. It has also been stated that MJ "died" the morning of the 25th of June 2006. He was pronounced dead in the afternoon but was already found dead at 9:30-10am PST according to his sister Janet.

Many, many off things about this.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 06:12:35 PM
Quote from: "idontknowanymore"
Quote from: "Kirsche"
One question for the people livin in the US:

Is it normal that you have displayed the time like that in the report

For Example:

Time Of Death:  14:26 ( this is the european kind of time being displayed or shown)


But isn't it normal for the USA that it should be 2:26 PM?

I hope you know, what I mean...


Janet said that he "died" that morning......they "pronounced" him dead in the afteroon.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 06:14:53 PM
It says MJ had lung disease and osteoporosis..   :cry:  :cry:

Confirms he had "structures" over his nasal passage and scars on his neck and behind his ears.   :cry:

Says he had Vitiligo...  he was telling the truth after all those years of pain and torment.   :cry:

WHY oh WHY would he take Propofol.. maybe he just trusted Murray.   :cry:

Poor, poor man mutilated his face (sorry but true)... that beautiful, beautiful face....   :cry:

I am in tears reading that.  Utter tears of despair.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 06:20:08 PM
Quote from: "Truth_Freedom"
There are some shady things about this report: The top says that MJ has all of his natural teeth (the certificate portion). The PDF version says that he had dental implants(ceramic teeth) and some add ons which we know are true...as MJ's teeth changed over the years. That's major...dental records. So how come on the certificate portion of the report..he has all of his natural teeth and in the detailed account he is missing teeth. He also did not look to be 136 pounds at the supposed time of death...that's BS!!! There are many off things. It has also been stated that MJ "died" the morning of the 25th of June 2006. He was pronounced dead in the afternoon but was already found dead at 9:30-10am PST according to his sister Janet.

Many, many off things about this.

There's no contradiction. He was only 2 dents missing. The others were his own. Creamics doesn't mean not natural if the roots are natural!
Natural means not dentures!
Unfortunately  :cry: seems true...
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 06:25:49 PM
Hey! Remember somebody said about the guy who toe tagged Michael who said he looked like old asian? We thought it's not true, because they use wrist marks? :(
Unfortunately according to report they did tor tagged him!

""The body is identified by toe tags" (page 13).

And it first leaked from youtube user, not tabloids. That person seems to be true. :cry:
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 06:26:19 PM
WHAT I AM SURPRISED TO SEE TODAY WAS HOW FEW PEOPLE WERE OUTSIDE THE COURTROOM WAITING........I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT HUNDREDS WOULD HAVE BEEN THERE..........JUST MY OPINION...XXXXX
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 06:48:26 PM
So we have Dr. Cooper who pronounced him dead
Detective Scott Smith from LAPD who witnessed the autopsy.
and Christopher Rogers who performed autopsy.
and other consultants
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We have to find them!
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 06:49:43 PM
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Hey! Remember somebody said about the guy who toe tagged Michael who said he looked like old asian? We thought it's not true, because they use wrist marks? :(
Unfortunately according to report they did tor tagged him!

""The body is identified by toe tags" (page 13).

And it first leaked from youtube user, not tabloids. That person seems to be true. :cry:

Exactly..things don't add up. I have no problem with MJ being gone, my problem is that there are many questions that are not being answered concerning that DAY and how we came to this place and tragic loss!
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 06:50:18 PM
MJ knew he couldnt do those shows..  HE KNEW!!!!!
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

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MJ knew he couldnt do those shows..  HE KNEW!!!!!

And so did many others around him which is the TRAGIC part that infuriates me.  :x
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 08:05:44 PM
So is the 911 call fake? This report says MJ was pulled onto the floor for CPR and 911 was called. But the 911 caller said he was on the bed, the 911 operator had to tell him to get him to the floor. Somebody is lying.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 08:09:31 PM
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Hey! Remember somebody said about the guy who toe tagged Michael who said he looked like old asian? We thought it's not true, because they use wrist marks? :(
Unfortunately according to report they did tor tagged him!

""The body is identified by toe tags" (page 13).

And it first leaked from youtube user, not tabloids. That person seems to be true. :cry:

Yeah I posted that but that guy also claimed that Michael was bald which contradicts this report. I think someone on this forum also said they know someone that work at UCLA and that they do not identify people with toe tags anymore, confusing indeed...  :?  However this report is 51 pages long and very detailed I advice everyone to read it before they dismiss it as fake. If you still believe it's fake after looking through it then please do explain to me why? I need different perspectives. Right now I'm on the verge of starting my 2nd mourning period and my heart is acheing terribly  :cry:
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 08:19:08 PM
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Quote from: "Venus"
Hey! Remember somebody said about the guy who toe tagged Michael who said he looked like old asian? We thought it's not true, because they use wrist marks? :(
Unfortunately according to report they did tor tagged him!

""The body is identified by toe tags" (page 13).

And it first leaked from youtube user, not tabloids. That person seems to be true. :cry:

Yeah I posted that but that guy also claimed that Michael was bald which contradicts this report. I think someone on this forum also said they know someone that work at UCLA and that they do not identify people with toe tags anymore, confusing indeed...  :?  However this report is 51 pages long and very detailed I advice everyone to read it before they dismiss it as fake. If you still believe it's fake after looking through it then please do explain to me why? I need different perspectives. Right now I'm on the verge of starting my 2nd mourning period and my heart is acheing terribly  :cry:

I don't think it's fake unfortunately. I don't :cry:
The opposite, that's why I remembered that guy. Did he say he was completely bald? Because autopsy repost states he was partially bold in frontal area.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 08:23:26 PM
It still could be someone elses autospy and they just put Michael's name in the appropriate places!!?? What about the famous scar on Michaels cheek...they don't mention that in the report, also why was there a bottle of urine there if he had a catheter in place? Then on the toxicology report, with all the different drugs he supposedly taken on that night, why weren't they all found in the report? I don't know what to think anymore :(  I do know that BOW finally slipped up big time because she said last night that Murray would NOT be charged today!!
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 08:23:59 PM
I can't read it guys, I don't have the heart... but I am truly sad, regardless...  :(
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 08:25:04 PM
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It still could be someone elses autospy and they just put Michael's name in the appropriate places!!?? What about the famous scar on Michaels cheek...they don't mention that in the report, also why was there a bottle of urine there if he had a catheter in place? Then on the toxicology report, with all the different drugs he supposedly taken on that night, why weren't they all found in the report? I don't know what to think anymore :(  I do know that BOW finally slipped up big time because she said last night that Murray would NOT be charged today!!
Oh yes BOW slipped up big time and I am soooooooooooooo glad!!!!
sorry for the OT!
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 08:28:08 PM
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BOW finally slipped up big time because she said last night that Murray would NOT be charged today!!
Oh yes BOW slipped up big time and I am soooooooooooooo glad!!!!
sorry for the OT!

Oh wow... I missed that. Interesting!
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 08:29:59 PM
Indeed this does hit like a ton of bricks. Let's not let our emotions take over our common sense.

If this is a hoax and Michael dont plan on coming back, he needed to do something to get people to stop digging. Dont ask me how, I have no clue but let me tell you this is nothing new that money rules, If the price is right, anyone can be bought!
We must not forget things like that.

Secondly it very well could be murder, Murray worked for NWO or CIA, or who knows but for someone powerful. Now he will serve time on a lesser charge and when he gets out, he's rich. These things really do happen, not only in movies. I got to go, my computer out of batteries.... sorry..

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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 08:30:57 PM
Did anyone else notice that the court documents never mention Michael by his name?  They always refer to him as patient M.J.  
I think that is very strange for a court document.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 08:35:08 PM
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Hey! Remember somebody said about the guy who toe tagged Michael who said he looked like old asian? We thought it's not true, because they use wrist marks? :(
Unfortunately according to report they did tor tagged him!

""The body is identified by toe tags" (page 13).

And it first leaked from youtube user, not tabloids. That person seems to be true. :cry:

Exactly..things don't add up. I have no problem with MJ being gone, my problem is that there are many questions that are not being answered concerning that DAY and how we came to this place and tragic loss!

i leaked it. but i still beLIEve
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 08:41:00 PM
Did they identify the body as MJ by anything other than his driver's license photo? (Dental records, DNA, etc.) Does it ever say dental records show the deceased to be that of Michael Joseph Jackson? I couldn't read through all of that but from what I DID read I saw none of that.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 08:58:17 PM
Listen guys there was always a possibility that he was gone from the beginning, now something interesting is that it states Michael Joseph Jackson but isn't his middle name Joe in the FBI files? and another thing is about the day he "died" it states that murray tried cpr on the floor but I thought it was on the bed on the day just to many inconsistencies not saying the file isnt true just saying keep believing because there were bound to be moments like this where it seemed that it was over but keep the faith we all need each other more then ever right now
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 09:06:54 PM
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It still could be someone elses autospy and they just put Michael's name in the appropriate places!!?? What about the famous scar on Michaels cheek...they don't mention that in the report, also why was there a bottle of urine there if he had a catheter in place? Then on the toxicology report, with all the different drugs he supposedly taken on that night, why weren't they all found in the report? I don't know what to think anymore :(  I do know that BOW finally slipped up big time because she said last night that Murray would NOT be charged today!!

Read BoW again. She said Murray wouldn´t be ARRESTED today.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 09:20:31 PM
READ PAGE 24, DENTAL THINK... DON´T CONFIRM WAS MJ
READ PAGE 37, NO NAME ON TOP...
HE IS ALIVE
THE INFORMER OF THIS REPORT WAS TMZ AGAIN
SO IF WE BELIEVE ALL TMZ WE MUST BELIEVE HE IS ALIVE BECAUSE THEY SAID SO...
THEY SAY THAT HE WENT TO A HORROR NIGHT AT UNIVERSAL WITH HIS KIDS AN LIZ TAYLOR
THEY HAVE A VIDEO TOO...
SOMEONE DIES, SOMEONE HAVE AN AUTOPSY, SOMEONE WAS BURRIED... NOT MJ!!! SOME MALE, BLACK, 50... SOMEONE...
IN MY COUNTRY WE HAVE A CLASSIC OLD MOVIE WHERE A OLD WOMAN DIES AND THE FAMILY WENT TO SEE THE BODIE AND KNOW WAS HER BODIE FOR THE WHITE HAIR, AND HER SHOES, AND SOMETHING ELSE... AND THE WOMAN WAS REALLY LOST IN THE CITY AND WENT TO HIS OWN MEMORIAL... THATS WHEN THE FAMILY DICOVER THAT SHE IS ALIVE!!!  
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 09:25:38 PM
If CNN picked it up and not tmz then id be worried but why tmz I mean there not the most reliable source its just a bunch of gossip pushed as news so why all of a sudden the Michael Jackson overload of information why a death report on a gossip site it just doesnt make sense
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 09:40:03 PM
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Did they identify the body as MJ by anything other than his driver's license photo? (Dental records, DNA, etc.) Does it ever say dental records show the deceased to be that of Michael Joseph Jackson? I couldn't read through all of that but from what I DID read I saw none of that.

The report said that the body was identified by drivers licence photo only.Dental records were incomplete.

It also said that a moustache and beard were present.  HMMMM!?
Certainly not in the ambulance photo. And not during rehearsals as far as I can remember, not even visible stubbles.
I'm still beLIEving that it was someone else.
Anyone else who tried to look like MJ must have had plenty of surgeries and would therefore have plenty of scars the world would expect MJ to have.  The only thing that throws me is the Vitiligo.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 09:45:24 PM
another thing Karen Faye lied about his weight. In  the report we don´t have the weight she mentioned.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 09:46:25 PM
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Did they identify the body as MJ by anything other than his driver's license photo? (Dental records, DNA, etc.) Does it ever say dental records show the deceased to be that of Michael Joseph Jackson? I couldn't read through all of that but from what I DID read I saw none of that.

The report said that the body was identified by drivers licence photo only.Dental records were incomplete.

It also said that a moustache and beard were present.  HMMMM!?
Certainly not in the ambulance photo. And not during rehearsals as far as I can remember, not even visible stubbles.
I'm still beLIEving that it was someone else.
Anyone else who tried to look like MJ must have had plenty of surgeries and would therefore have plenty of scars the world would expect MJ to have.  The only thing that throws me is the Vitiligo.

Playing devil's advocate here:

They really don't need to go through dental records if the person matches their photo id and/or they can be identified by a family member.  They really only need dental records if the body is greatly decomposed and/or there is no other way to identify.

I also don't worry about the non-beard/beard thing because we all know MJ was capable of growing facial hair.  So it's possible that if he shaved before he left out the day before that he would have stubble by the next day which would mean that he was unshaven and someone could say that he had a beard & moustache.

I doubt that someone would fake the burn scar at the back of the head....
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 09:48:17 PM
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One question for the people livin in the US:

Is it normal that you have displayed the time like that in the report

For Example:

Time Of Death:  14:26 ( this is the european kind of time being displayed or shown)


But isn't it normal for the USA that it should be 2:26 PM?

I hope you know, what I mean...

The medical facility I work for uses military time (same as european time). It's more accurate than having to remember to say AM or PM.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 09:53:14 PM
AT PAGE 37 DATE WAS RE WRITTEN :?
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 09:54:55 PM
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READ PAGE 24, DENTAL THINK... DON´T CONFIRM WAS MJ
READ PAGE 37, NO NAME ON TOP...
HE IS ALIVE
THE INFORMER OF THIS REPORT WAS TMZ AGAIN

Thank you!!!  :D
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 10:03:43 PM
I still believe in this hoax. I'm here till June 25th or till MJ comes back (which ever happens first (preferably the latter!))...what I can't seem to get out of my head is why MJ would allow all of this intricate details about his body (inside and out) to be made public. He's a man who gets embarrassed easily. So why would he want anyone to know if he was circumcised or not, that he was balding or that he was still making sperm?! Do you really think this could be fake and that it's all made up?

I dunno it just seems like a lot of intricate details to prep to feed to the media in order to give him justice? Of course my heart took a nose dive when I read the autopsy report and then I came to the board and saw the post Will the Real Doctor Murray Stand Up and just about fell over. Hope restored!

So I will opt to believe for now b/c it keeps MJ alive in my heart longer.  And if for some reason we are all wrong, then I'll just keep him in my heart like he's always been.

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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 10:06:35 PM
I LOVE how they mentioned a "telephone" in the room, yet it has always been said, "no phone lines". I guess the telephone was just for show...lol
I just can't buy any of this nonsense!
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 08, 2010, 10:10:58 PM
can someone help me to get over the fact that these are signed by actual people from the coroners department? how do you fake that? i better stop reading. i beLIEve. i really do. and i don't want this nonsense to get me down. the condom catheter?????? yikes. :?  i just want the king to come back. miss him.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 12:22:21 AM
Quote from: "CC"
READ PAGE 24, DENTAL THINK... DON´T CONFIRM WAS MJ
READ PAGE 37, NO NAME ON TOP...
HE IS ALIVE
THE INFORMER OF THIS REPORT WAS TMZ AGAIN
SO IF WE BELIEVE ALL TMZ WE MUST BELIEVE HE IS ALIVE BECAUSE THEY SAID SO...
THEY SAY THAT HE WENT TO A HORROR NIGHT AT UNIVERSAL WITH HIS KIDS AN LIZ TAYLOR
THEY HAVE A VIDEO TOO...
SOMEONE DIES, SOMEONE HAVE AN AUTOPSY, SOMEONE WAS BURRIED... NOT MJ!!! SOME MALE, BLACK, 50... SOMEONE...
IN MY COUNTRY WE HAVE A CLASSIC OLD MOVIE WHERE A OLD WOMAN DIES AND THE FAMILY WENT TO SEE THE BODIE AND KNOW WAS HER BODIE FOR THE WHITE HAIR, AND HER SHOES, AND SOMETHING ELSE... AND THE WOMAN WAS REALLY LOST IN THE CITY AND WENT TO HIS OWN MEMORIAL... THATS WHEN THE FAMILY DICOVER THAT SHE IS ALIVE!!!  
(SORRY FOR MY ENGLISH !)

 :lol:  :lol:  esperando la carroza!!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  made me laugh! I´m argentinian too!
I still beLIEve!!
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 12:25:10 AM
So no Lupus mentioned anywhere but we needed to know if he was circumsised or not don't believe this bs
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 12:27:07 AM
I just read the entire report and I am an emotional basket case right now.  Everything surrounding the events of June 25th are so unreal but the one thing I was hoping would never be real was this report.  I hope of all hopes that somehow this report is not real, but I am afraid it is.

Michael...you were loved by so many and I hope that wherever you are, that you safe and at peace.  I pray that you will return to us and I hope that we can spread your message of L.O.V.E. throughout the world even if you do not come back.  You will always be my King and the most special, sweet, and loving man this world will ever know.

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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 12:36:40 AM
I have been a lurker here for quite some time and just decided to register. I have viewed the entire autopsy report and several things stand out to me.

(1). I find it odd that they only identified him with a driver's license photo. My best friend passed away several years ago and her husband "identified" her body and that's what's listed on her autopsy report. So isn't it strange that a family member didn't "identify" the body?
(2). It says he was wearing a wig. Ok...no big deal...most of us thought Michael had been wearing a wig for years. What stands out to me is that it lists his hair color as being brown. When was Michael's hair ever brown?
(3). I was looking at the "pictures" of the different scars and marks on his body. I noticed on the back of his head is says there is a scar on either side. What does the writing in the middle of the back of the head say? I can't make it out.
(4). Something else I find odd is his weight. I know people have gone back and forth about his weight but to me, after watching This Is It, I can say he didn't look like he weighed anywhere close to 136. I'm not one of these people who think he looked "sick" or "unhealthy" in This Is It...just a little skinny. I would guess between 120 and 125 at the very most.

CORRECTION: on the 1st page of the autopsy report it lists hair color as brown and on the 14th page is lists it as black. so which one is it?!
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 12:44:57 AM
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I have been a lurker here for quite some time and just decided to register. I have viewed the entire autopsy report and several things stand out to me.

(1). I find it odd that they only identified him with a driver's license photo. My best friend passed away several years ago and her husband "identified" her body and that's what's listed on her autopsy report. So isn't it strange that a family member didn't "identify" the body?
(2). It says he was wearing a wig. Ok...no big deal...most of us thought Michael had been wearing a wig for years. What stands out to me is that it lists his hair color as being brown. When was Michael's hair ever brown?
(3). I was looking at the "pictures" of the different scars and marks on his body. I noticed on the back of his head is says there is a scar on either side. What does the writing in the middle of the back of the head say? I can't make it out.
(4). Something else I find odd is his weight. I know people have gone back and forth about his weight but to me, after watching This Is It, I can say he didn't look like he weighed anywhere close to 136. I'm not one of these people who think he looked "sick" or "unhealthy" in This Is It...just a little skinny. I would guess between 120 and 125 at the very most.

Welcome!  Excellent questions - thank you for speaking up. I haven't read the report but will be soon. I hope this report is proven wrong! What you bring up are valid points. Blessing.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 12:53:56 AM
Welcome Blonde Grl.  Thank you for sharing your points.  At least they stopped me from crying.  I think your points are very valid and I need to remember that things are not what they might appear in this situation.  I will try to keep the faith until we get to the bottom of this or Michael returns.   :D  :cry:  :D  :cry:  :D  :cry:  :D
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 01:50:10 AM
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Quote from: "BlondeGrl"
I have been a lurker here for quite some time and just decided to register. I have viewed the entire autopsy report and several things stand out to me.

(1). I find it odd that they only identified him with a driver's license photo. My best friend passed away several years ago and her husband "identified" her body and that's what's listed on her autopsy report. So isn't it strange that a family member didn't "identify" the body?
(2). It says he was wearing a wig. Ok...no big deal...most of us thought Michael had been wearing a wig for years. What stands out to me is that it lists his hair color as being brown. When was Michael's hair ever brown?
(3). I was looking at the "pictures" of the different scars and marks on his body. I noticed on the back of his head is says there is a scar on either side. What does the writing in the middle of the back of the head say? I can't make it out.
(4). Something else I find odd is his weight. I know people have gone back and forth about his weight but to me, after watching This Is It, I can say he didn't look like he weighed anywhere close to 136. I'm not one of these people who think he looked "sick" or "unhealthy" in This Is It...just a little skinny. I would guess between 120 and 125 at the very most.

Welcome!  Excellent questions - thank you for speaking up. I haven't read the report but will be soon. I hope this report is proven wrong! What you bring up are valid points. Blessing.

What is 136? can someone tell me that weight in kg??
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 02:17:06 AM
I think more legalized 'pharmacutical dealers, oh 'doctors' should be evaluated thoroughly. I think all the news broadcastings are evidence toward a conclusion, which is let him let go of us with love. Let him live outside the focus of 'enemy of the state', He needs his privacy, yeah, yeah, yeah. Its all for Love, M J.  This doesn't mean anyone will ever forget him, I won't, hi. God bless you all
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 06:24:23 AM
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What is 136? can someone tell me that weight in kg??

Its about 9st 10lbs...x
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 06:36:31 AM
The report was very long and thorough, as it should be. It does seem very real and authentic, unfortunately.
Some remarks and replies to previous posters:

- Identification usually takes place by 1) visual identification by familymembers or acquaintainces of a deceased 2) fingerprints 3) dental records 4) DNA comparison. The report mentions identification took place:
1) Visually by comparison of the drivers license. Ofcourse, anyone knows what MJ looks like so comparison with the driver's licence was probably unnecessary. In addition, LaToya was the familymember that officially identified MJ, which is mentioned on the publically available death certificate. She did not do "the signature", but she signed for  identification.
2) On the first page it is mentioned fingerprints were taken. These can be compared with MJ's.
3) Dental data in this report can be compared with MJ's.

- Concerning haircolor, as an afro-american he had black-brown hair, so some may call it (dark)brown, others may call it black. The hair was worn normal like most other men: short with a male receding hairline.

- Concerning the Joe/Joseph discussion, this is not uncommon for official documents. The true name is the one on the birth certificate, but it often happens that abbreviations of the first name(s) will appear on official documents, even on a death certificate, especially if the person called himself that way.

- 1 lbs = 0.454 kg; 136 lbs = 61.7 kg

Would such an autopsy report be forged for the sake of a WPP? The likelyhood that MJ is still alive is very small, considering this report.
In any case, with the memorial, funeral and this report there is almost no way or return, it goes too far. Chances are extremely slim he will ever come back to the public eye.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 07:20:26 AM
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Why is it ONLY TMZ that have the "official" report????????? Seems kind of strange that the coroner would give a tabloid this official information, why not a reliabable news source??????????
Good question. Somehow it always seems to be TMZ that has the latest news first.


Yes very true, and Sky News in UK last night were reporting from the court and were quoting TMZ as their source.

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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 07:34:42 AM
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It still could be someone elses autospy and they just put Michael's name in the appropriate places!!?? What about the famous scar on Michaels cheek...they don't mention that in the report, also why was there a bottle of urine there if he had a catheter in place? Then on the toxicology report, with all the different drugs he supposedly taken on that night, why weren't they all found in the report? I don't know what to think anymore :(  I do know that BOW finally slipped up big time because she said last night that Murray would NOT be charged today!!

Read BoW again. She said Murray wouldn´t be ARRESTED today.


I suppose technically he wasnt arrested  he surrendered!  Not arrested!

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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 08:02:31 AM
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I have been a lurker here for quite some time and just decided to register. I have viewed the entire autopsy report and several things stand out to me.

(1). I find it odd that they only identified him with a driver's license photo. My best friend passed away several years ago and her husband "identified" her body and that's what's listed on her autopsy report. So isn't it strange that a family member didn't "identify" the body?
(2). It says he was wearing a wig. Ok...no big deal...most of us thought Michael had been wearing a wig for years. What stands out to me is that it lists his hair color as being brown. When was Michael's hair ever brown?
(3). I was looking at the "pictures" of the different scars and marks on his body. I noticed on the back of his head is says there is a scar on either side. What does the writing in the middle of the back of the head say? I can't make it out.
(4). Something else I find odd is his weight. I know people have gone back and forth about his weight but to me, after watching This Is It, I can say he didn't look like he weighed anywhere close to 136. I'm not one of these people who think he looked "sick" or "unhealthy" in This Is It...just a little skinny. I would guess between 120 and 125 at the very most.

CORRECTION: on the 1st page of the autopsy report it lists hair color as brown and on the 14th page is lists it as black. so which one is it?!

I think it's a good find with his haircolor...And I don't think this could just be a typo or something...I mean HELLO?? IT'S A CORONER REPORT! No Mistakes allowed or am I wrong?

So yeah, I think this is not real
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 09:52:29 AM
In the report they also said he had a beard and mustache!!!!  I doubt very seriously if he could grow a beard and mustache in a day, because according to This Is It he was clean shaven and had no facial hair that I seen in the movie how about you guys?.  Somebody is lying either the movie wasnt filmed up to the last days like they have said or the autopsy is of somebody else.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 09:55:31 AM
SO ALIVE BABY!! ! :lol:

MIKE, you shocked us a little yesterday!
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 09:59:31 AM
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In the report they also said he had a beard and mustache!!!!  I doubt very seriously if he could grow a beard and mustache in a day, because according to This Is It he was clean shaven and had no facial hair that I seen in the movie how about you guys?.  Somebody is lying either the movie wasnt filmed up to the last days like they have said or the autopsy is of somebody else.


It says absent, so that means no beard and mustache ;)
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 10:38:28 AM
I am giving my mother a copy of the report to read. She has been a nurse forever and has read many autopsy reports. She says they are normally about a few  pages long and finds it odd that this one is so long.

she will be able to tell if this is legite or not....

Give me a few days....
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 10:47:56 AM
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In the report they also said he had a beard and mustache!!!!  I doubt very seriously if he could grow a beard and mustache in a day, because according to This Is It he was clean shaven and had no facial hair that I seen in the movie how about you guys?.  Somebody is lying either the movie wasnt filmed up to the last days like they have said or the autopsy is of somebody else.


It says absent, so that means no beard and mustache ;)

You are right, my bad I thought it said present.  Guess I was reading too fast. :|
Still believe he's ALIVE :!:  :!:
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 10:55:20 AM
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I am giving my mother a copy of the report to read. She has been a nurse forever and has read many autopsy reports. She says they are normally about a few  pages long and finds it odd that this one is so long.

she will be able to tell if this is legite or not....

Give me a few days....

That's great! Looking forward to her opinions  :D
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 11:08:21 AM
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In the report they also said he had a beard and mustache!!!!  I doubt very seriously if he could grow a beard and mustache in a day, because according to This Is It he was clean shaven and had no facial hair that I seen in the movie how about you guys?.  Somebody is lying either the movie wasnt filmed up to the last days like they have said or the autopsy is of somebody else.


can you show which page shows that because page 12 shows mustache beard ABSENT
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 11:25:31 AM
Cant remember if this was said in here already, but didnt someone say in a previous thread that MJ was allowed to witness surgeries on other people? If this is true then maybe he was waiting for that certain individual who was his "twin" who was in very poor health and when this person died,,,mj jumped on it..... now we have our MJ look alike.  

I know, its out there but what the hey...
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 11:28:04 AM
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So no Lupus mentioned anywhere but we needed to know if he was circumsised or not don't believe this bs

No we didn't need to know. Autopsy reports are not written for public consumption. They are written based on what the findings are.

They didn't say Lupus, but they didn't say he didn't have it.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 11:38:21 AM
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So we have Dr. Cooper who pronounced him dead
Detective Scott Smith from LAPD who witnessed the autopsy.
and Christopher Rogers who performed autopsy.
and other consultants
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We have to find them!

the only s. smith from LAPD i hav found is this one working with trafic it seems...
"South Traffic Division, Detective S. Smith at 323-290-6063. "
http://lapdblog.typepad.com/lapd_blog/2 ... river.html

cant find him if you serach LAPD´s homepage
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 11:56:26 AM
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There are some shady things about this report: The top says that MJ has all of his natural teeth (the certificate portion). The PDF version says that he had dental implants(ceramic teeth) and some add ons which we know are true...as MJ's teeth changed over the years. That's major...dental records. So how come on the certificate portion of the report..he has all of his natural teeth and in the detailed account he is missing teeth. He also did not look to be 136 pounds at the supposed time of death...that's BS!!! There are many off things. It has also been stated that MJ "died" the morning of the 25th of June 2006. He was pronounced dead in the afternoon but was already found dead at 9:30-10am PST according to his sister Janet.

Many, many off things about this.

i have not read the report yet so forgive me, but i thought mike had natural teeth, no jordan super white, perfect teeth?
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 12:02:38 PM
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Cant remember if this was said in here already, but didnt someone say in a previous thread that MJ was allowed to witness surgeries on other people? If this is true then maybe he was waiting for that certain individual who was his "twin" who was in very poor health and when this person died,,,mj jumped on it..... now we have our MJ look alike.  

I know, its out there but what the hey...
I have had that feeling for a very long time. Souza and Mo said that MJ had a twin, but I think this person had the plastic surgeries instead of MJ. Remember there was a break between the Thriller and Bad era. This would give the look alike a chance to know MJ's movements.  I remember Kai Chase said the staff was not allowed upstairs. Also, Mj wasn't in his bedroom.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 12:32:18 PM
Today I finished reading the autopsy results and some things did not seem right.But  ofcourse it is just my opinion.
The autopsy report stated that in 2009 june his weight was 136lb(61,7 kg)  but in 2003 when he was charged with **** he weighed 120lb(54,4 kg) and I strongly believe that in june 2009 Mike was thinner than in 2003 .I am  also wondering about his height.....The autopsy report stated that he was  5``9 tall but back in 2003 he was measured 5``11 .HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE...c``mon people he aint no Benjamin Button  :D
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 12:38:17 PM
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Today I finished reading the autopsy results and some things did not seem right.But  ofcourse it is just my opinion.
The autopsy report stated that in 2009 june his weight was 136lb(61,7 kg)  but in 2003 when he was charged with **** he weighed 120lb(54,4 kg) and I strongly believe that in june 2009 Mike was thinner than in 2003 .I am  also wondering about his height.....The autopsy report stated that he was  5``9 tall but back in 2003 he was measured 5``11 .HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE...c``mon people he aint no Benjamin Button  :D
What a difficult nick you have :)
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 01:06:03 PM
But when you get older you get smaller. My grandma is now almost one head smaller than me :D
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 01:11:45 PM
I posted this in another thread but as there seem to be multiple threads about this and this one is the most popular, I will post it here too:

I have been looking over this report and so far a few things that have stood out that seem odd:


Page 1: Facial Hair - Unshaven
unshaven - not shaved
shaved, shaven - having the beard or hair cut off close to the skin

Page 14: A moustache and beard are absent

He looked clean shaven to me in the ambulance photograph...
So someone gave him a shave between the initial examination and the autopsy?


Page 3: I preformed an external body examination at the hospital on 6/25/09. The body was positively identified as Michael Joseph Jackson by visual comparison to his California drivers license on 6/25/09.

If this identification was taking place at the hospital, there were many family members present etc why would identification be made using his drivers license? not just that, the next one too...

Page 15: The body was not clothed and no clothing is available for review.

If he was unclothed, where did the drivers licence come from that was used to identify him? It is not like he had pockets to have this item on him at the time. It also seems unlikely it would have been a priority to locate this piece of identification during the efforts to revive him.

I do not know Michael personally but didn't he wear pyjamas a lot? Why would he not have some garment on as he was a modest, shy man and especially as Murray was supposed to be watching over him during the entire "induced sleep". There seemed to be many other medical supplies present why not a hospital gown at least? IDK seems odd...


Page 18: Residual Brain tissue is released to the mortuary 7-8-09.

So if the brain tissue was released 7-8-09 why was the internment ceremony (funeral) delayed until Sept 3. We were told that the family was awaiting the release of this tissue to proceed with his internment. The stories do not coincide.

Page 51: August 6, 2009at approximately 1300 hours I was notified by Chief of Laboratories Joseph Muto that a Coroner's Criminalist was requested to collect hair samples from the above listed decadent for potential toxicology testing.

The coroner had the body from June 25/09 and it appeared that the decedent may have died from drugs but they never took hair samples at the autopsy? I am not a forensic expert but you would think this would be something that would have been done at autopsy as someone who is a long time drug user would have deposits of these drugs in their hair follicles.

Page 51: The majority of the decedent was covered with multiple white towels/sheets leaving only the hands and the top of the head exposed.

I have never heard of anyone being placed in a casket covered by such items. Could the criminalist not distinguish between whether these where towels or sheets? I mean seriously towel and sheet material are 2 completely different things and what purpose did they serve? The criminalist mentions moving the wig but not the sheet/towel items covering the face, how does he even know he is taking hair samples from the right body?

Nowhere are there any test results for the hair samples that were taken included in this report...
A big deal seems to be made about substances on the hair and some sort of adhesive on the head but we see no results of any tests or anything.


Page 3: Scene description - Various medical supplies including a box a catheters...Also at the foot of the bed,there was a closed bottle of urine atop a chair.
Body Examination - There was also an external urine catheter present.

Ok so when this supposed home infusion of anaesthetic was taking place, a catheter was being used to collect urine. Nowhere in the report does it say that this catheter was attached to any sort of collection bag. We have a bottle of urine which has been closed and capped sitting there, nothing is described as having been attached to it etc. TMZ peeing in cups story anyone?

Page 27:
A.  Mild cerebral vascular congestion
Cerebral - relating to the brain
Vascular - vessels that conduct and circulate fluids
Congestion - accumulation of blood or other fluid in a body part

Page 26: There is a mild degree of leptomeningeal vascular congestion.
Leptomeningeal - the meninges; membranes surrounding the central nervous system. Cerebrospinal fluid circulates between these layers.

So we have some fluid that has accumulated in this brain area but the report does include a description of this fluid nor any possible cause for the fluids accumulation.


B.    Mild diffuse brain swelling without herniation syndrome
Diffuse - spread out not concentrated in one place
herniation syndrome -Inter cranial pressure

So we have mild spread out swelling within the brain without any pressure but such swelling is an indication of some sort of head and/or brain injury. Yet there are no outward indications of any head injury occurring and no explanation for this swelling is given in the report.


Page 45: Stomach Contents
SERVICE                   DRUG              LEVELS UNITS
Bases                      Lidocaine          1.6       mg
Propofol                  Propofol             0.13    mg

Again I do not know a lot about forensics but if propofol was being administered intravenously and lidocaine is given at an injection site how did they get in to the actual stomach contents, was he sipping on them?

Propofol is found throughout the blood, tissue, fluids samples etc. There seems to be a problem with this scenario though.

The most important advantage of propofol is its rapid onset and offset of action. This behavior of a "rapid on, rapid off" feature, not available with the intravenous opiates or benzodiazepines, accounts for the increasing popularity of propofol. Because the onset of action after a single dose is rapid, and its effect brief (~ 10-15 minutes) due to high lipophilicity and central nervous system penetration, propofol is given only by continuous infusion when used for sedation. Propofol is a complex drug that actually has three half-lives. Its a half-life, the distribution of the drug from the blood to the tissues after intravenous administration, is very short, perhaps 2 to 3 minutes. The ß half-life of the drug, which is basically the elimination half-life, ranges from 30 to 60 minutes. The half-life, or terminal half-life, during which the drug is eliminated from the third compartment, or tissue fat, ranges from 300 to 700 minutes. Clearance is by hepatic elimination.  The large contribution of (about 50%) to the fall of plasma levels means that after very long infusions (at steady state), only about half the initial is needed to maintain the same plasma levels. The large volume of distribution normally seen in the septic or injured host, in combination with the lessened ability to clear the drug in the elderly, can result in a prolonged recovery phase of days due to drug accumulation. Failure to the infusion rate in patients receiving propofol for extended periods may result in excessively high blood concentrations of the drug. Thus, titration to clinical response and daily evaluation of sedation levels are important during extended use of propofol in the ICU.
http://http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/410884_3

Propofol is given intravenously infusing this drug slowly over a period of time to maintain the anaesthetic effects and it is being continuously and quickly removed by the body. So either it built up over time in the blood or a big dose was given at once for there to be such a traceable amount found in all these tissues and fluids. There is also one other possibility... The propofol was poured into/onto blood and tissues samples after they were taken. If this is the case then explains why propofol and lidocaine were both found in the stomach contents.

I am going to reread it again and see if i notice anything else that seems unusual. I will get back to you on this.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 01:14:21 PM
Quote from: "Muinasjutumaja"
Today I finished reading the autopsy results and some things did not seem right.But  ofcourse it is just my opinion.
The autopsy report stated that in 2009 june his weight was 136lb(61,7 kg)  but in 2003 when he was charged with **** he weighed 120lb(54,4 kg) and I strongly believe that in june 2009 Mike was thinner than in 2003 .I am  also wondering about his height.....The autopsy report stated that he was  5``9 tall but back in 2003 he was measured 5``11 .HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE...c``mon people he aint no Benjamin Button  :D
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 01:18:09 PM
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Today I finished reading the autopsy results and some things did not seem right.But  ofcourse it is just my opinion.
The autopsy report stated that in 2009 june his weight was 136lb(61,7 kg)  but in 2003 when he was charged with **** he weighed 120lb(54,4 kg) and I strongly believe that in june 2009 Mike was thinner than in 2003 .I am  also wondering about his height.....The autopsy report stated that he was  5``9 tall but back in 2003 he was measured 5``11 .HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE...c``mon people he aint no Benjamin Button  :D
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 01:21:49 PM
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AT PAGE 37 DATE WAS RE WRITTEN :?

I noticed this as well, the date clearly originally said 4-20, written over to look like 6-26.  The year looks illegible, it looks more like a 4 or a 1 rather than a 9.

Also, that medical report, the autopsy checklist, and the illustrations do not have the patient's name on them and the comment boxes have been whited out.  You can tell that they used to have something typed or written in them.

Other inconsistencies that I noticed ( I think other people mentioned them too but I'll recap them anyway)

1. On the first page it says he was "unshaven".  Later on it says, "mustache and beard ABSENT"

2. The report says CPR was performed on the FLOOR, then 911 was called.  We all know that according to the 911 call, CPR was attempted on the BED.

3. This autopsy report matches the one that was first leaked months ago, that the coroner stated was most definitely FAKE.  Also, remember the statement he gave that any autopsy report leaked would be fake.
Remember the second one that came out that contradicted the first one?  This leads me to something else I noticed:
This autopsy report matches the leaked one months ago, right?  Where it said he was balding, thin, with tatooed scalp?  It also made out like Michael was a sickly, emaciated, ailment ridden shadow of his former self.  Then the second leaked autopsy report contradicted the first one, saying that Michael was a normal, healthy, fit man.
This THIRD autopsy report matches the second one as well, in that in every completed finding showed Michael to be fairly healthy, with nothing wrong.
It seems as if TMZ had this report the whole time, and falsely "leaked" the other two, making exaggerated statements in both reports that in the end both fit this final, third autopsy report.  I hope I'm making sense.

My take?  I think perhaps that TMZ had this "report" the whole time.  I think maybe it is a fake report, I think that there is no way that TMZ would be able to obtain a legal, classified document and post in on the internet without facing legal charges.  If this report is real, the Jackson family should come out and sue TMZ.  What about Michael's children being able to read this, on the internet for everyone to see?  Wouldn't all of you sue?  Would the the Jackson family REALLY sit back and let Michael's autopsy report circulate the internet?  I sincerely hope not.

Nothing about this is right.  All of you on this forum seemed to be getting awfully close to the truth of what's been happening.  Then all in one day, Michael's on the TMZ RIP list, Murray is convicted, and oh, here's Michael's full autopsy report!  It just seems a little too convenient.  I don't know.  :?
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 01:25:42 PM
He was taking Flomax and had a cathedar.  Explains the pee in bottles.

And I'm looking at the CR right now and it states, "A MUSTACHE AND BEARD ARE ABSENT."  On the bottom of page 14.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

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Cant remember if this was said in here already, but didnt someone say in a previous thread that MJ was allowed to witness surgeries on other people? If this is true then maybe he was waiting for that certain individual who was his "twin" who was in very poor health and when this person died,,,mj jumped on it..... now we have our MJ look alike.  

I know, its out there but what the hey...

maybe he also watched some autopsy" s, so he could help to make his own rapport  ;) because it has to be a very good one to make people believe its his autopsy rapport doesnt it? aldo he cant fool us with it.. :o
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

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Anesthetics can cause cerebral swelling and ischemic injury.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 01:35:15 PM
There's another thing I noticed.... On page 1 it is said, that he had/has natural teeth

And on another ( sorry, don't know which page it was) it is said he ceramical implants etc..

and here's the date you were talking about...it looks re-written...



And another thing I noticed....On one report it is said Michael Jackson, the next is Michael J. Jackson and the other is Michael Joseph Jackson...
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

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another thing Karen Faye lied about his weight. In  the report we don´t have the weight she mentioned.

Ive clocked onto that too.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

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Page 14: A moustache and beard are present

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aqtually it says..." a mustache and beard are absent"   as in not there
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 01:52:21 PM
MICHAEL JOSEPH JACKSON....but, if you remember, TMZ confirmed that the real middle name is JOE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEUhTJ_1 ... re=related

Oh, I'd like to hear NOW that the report is not referring to Michael...it's so sad... because the report seems so real with all those detailed descriptions and medical investigation.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 01:56:32 PM
It may not be important , but i have just read the autopsy and in page 3 it's said:" the body was positively identified as Michael Joseph Jackson by visual comparison to his California Drivers License" and in the Drivers License that we have ( Michael's features, habits & disguises - MJ Driving Licence Picture )his name is Michael Joe jackson.If they just used the Driving license to identify the body, why did the change the middle name?
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 02:28:28 PM
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Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
Page 14: A moustache and beard are present

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aqtually it says..." a mustache and beard are absent"   as in not there

Sorry I fixed it. There was a lot of reading and typing back and forth.  :oops:
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 02:42:05 PM
Well the FBI files stated his middle name as Joe and this tmz report states Joseph so this is a big FAKE
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 02:56:43 PM
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Also at the foot of the bed,there was a closed bottle of urine atop a chair.

TMZ peeing in cups story anyone?

TMZ story posted after I posted this. Synchronicity!

Michael Jackson - 'That's How He Peed'
Posted Feb 9th 2010 12:20PM by TMZ Staff

It seems Michael Jackson's longtime doctor, Arnold Klein, was telling the truth about Michael's propensity to pee in bottles ... based on the L.A. County Coroner's autopsy report and a strange item found by the foot of the bed.
TMZ first published the autopsy findings yesterday. Among the items found in the bedroom where Dr. Conrad Murray was treating Michael Jackson -- "a closed bottle of urine atop a chair."
Back in November, we posted a story about Dr. Arnold Klein, who told us that Michael Jackson had a habit of peeing in cups and other objects, often in front of others.
Dr. Klein told TMZ today Jackson would pee in any object that was available and it all stemmed from necessity. "That's how he peed," Klein said.
Dr. Klein: Click to watchKlein told us when Jackson was 5 years old and on stage, there were often no bathrooms in the immediate vicinity and as a result he would pee in bottles.
Dr. Klein again expressed disdain for Dr. Murray giving Michael Jackson intramuscular injections of Propofol for sleep, calling it "horribly wrong."
http://http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/09/michael-jackson-pee-urine-dr-conrad-murray-autopsy-report-coroner/

Intramuscular (or IM) injection is the injection of a substance directly into a muscle.
http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intramuscular_injection

This is not how Propofol is administered...It is done through an intravenous (IV) continuous drip or the person will wake up!!.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 03:09:13 PM
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Page 3: I preformed an external body examination at the hospital on 6/25/09. The body was positively identified as Michael Joseph Jackson by visual comparison to his California drivers license on 6/25/09.

If this identification was taking place at the hospital, there were many family members present etc why would identification be made using his drivers license? not just that, the next one too...

Page 15: The body was not clothed and no clothing is available for review.

If he was unclothed, where did the drivers licence come from that was used to identify him? It is not like he had pockets to have this item on him at the time. It also seems unlikely it would have been a priority to locate this piece of identification during the efforts to revive him.

I do not know Michael personally but didn't he wear pyjamas a lot? Why would he not have some garment on as he was a modest, shy man and especially as Murray was supposed to be watching over him during the entire "induced sleep". There seemed to be many other medical supplies present why not a hospital gown at least? IDK seems odd...

I was not able to read the full report yet, but I recall it mentioned a hospital gown. The drivers's licence identification probably was unnecessary, but apparently done anyway. Someone of the staff probably took the drivers licence to the coroner's office afterwards for identification.

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Page 18: Residual Brain tissue is released to the mortuary 7-8-09.

So if the brain tissue was released 7-8-09 why was the internment ceremony (funeral) delayed until Sept 3. We were told that the family was awaiting the release of this tissue to proceed with his internment. The stories do not coincide.
The only info on this came from the media, not very reliable: there was rumour about some fuzz within the family about the funeral date, location and full agenda's.

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Page 51: August 6, 2009at approximately 1300 hours I was notified by Chief of Laboratories Joseph Muto that a Coroner's Criminalist was requested to collect hair samples from the above listed decadent for potential toxicology testing.

The coroner had the body from June 25/09 and it appeared that the decedent may have died from drugs but they never took hair samples at the autopsy? I am not a forensic expert but you would think this would be something that would have been done at autopsy as someone who is a long time drug user would have deposits of these drugs in their hair follicles.
I replied in the other thread (decadent??? :shock:)

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Page 51: The majority of the decedent was covered with multiple white towels/sheets leaving only the hands and the top of the head exposed.

I have never heard of anyone being placed in a casket covered by such items. Could the criminalist not distinguish between whether these where towels or sheets? I mean seriously towel and sheet material are 2 completely different things and what purpose did they serve? The criminalist mentions moving the wig but not the sheet/towel items covering the face, how does he even know he is taking hair samples from the right body?
It's somewhat odd indeed, the purpose of the sheets. As there were multiple, it could have been both towels and sheets. Maybe it was done to conceil the face, to prevent picture's being taken. For sure he must have checked that this was the right body, can't imagine he would not have.

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Nowhere are there any test results for the hair samples that were taken included in this report...
A big deal seems to be made about substances on the hair and some sort of adhesive on the head but we see no results of any tests or anything.

These tests were apparently done after the autopsy, which is why they may not have been included in the report.
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Page 3: Scene description - Various medical supplies including a box a catheters...Also at the foot of the bed,there was a closed bottle of urine atop a chair.
Body Examination - There was also an external urine catheter present.

Ok so when this supposed home infusion of anaesthetic was taking place, a catheter was being used to collect urine. Nowhere in the report does it say that this catheter was attached to any sort of collection bag. We have a bottle of urine which has been closed and capped sitting there but no one takes it for any type of testing, nothing is described as having been attached to it etc. TMZ peeing in cups story anyone?
It may have been analysed, but reported in a seperate report from the autopsy report.
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Page 27:
A.  Mild cerebral vascular congestion
Cerebral - relating to the brain
Vascular - vessels that conduct and circulate fluids
Congestion - accumulation of blood or other fluid in a body part

Page 26: There is a mild degree of leptomeningeal vascular congestion.
Leptomeningeal - the meninges; membranes surrounding the central nervous system. Cerebrospinal fluid circulates between these layers.

So we have some fluid that has accumulated in this brain area but the report does include a description of this fluid nor any possible cause for the fluids accumulation.


B.    Mild diffuse brain swelling without herniation syndrome
Diffuse - spread out not concentrated in one place
herniation syndrome -Inter cranial pressure

So we have mild spread out swelling within the brain without any pressure but such swelling is an indication of some sort of head and/or brain injury. Yet there are no outward indications of any head injury occurring and no explanation for this swelling is given in the report.

I have not read the full report yet, can't answer this one.
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Page 45: Stomach Contents
SERVICE                   DRUG              LEVELS UNITS
Bases                      Lidocaine          1.6       mg
Propofol                  Propofol             0.13    mg

Again I do not know a lot about forensics but if propofol was being administered intravenously and lidocaine is given at an injection site how did they get in to the actual stomach contents, was he sipping on them?
Wondered about this too, perhaps some diffusion from the bloodstream

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Propofol is found throughout the blood, tissue, fluids samples etc. There seems to be a problem with this scenario though. [/color]
The most important advantage of propofol is its rapid onset and offset of action. This behavior of a "rapid on, rapid off" feature, not available with the intravenous opiates or benzodiazepines, accounts for the increasing popularity of propofol. Because the onset of action after a single dose is rapid, and its effect brief (~ 10-15 minutes) due to high lipophilicity and central nervous system penetration, propofol is given only by continuous infusion when used for sedation. Propofol is a complex drug that actually has three half-lives. Its a half-life, the distribution of the drug from the blood to the tissues after intravenous administration, is very short, perhaps 2 to 3 minutes. The ß half-life of the drug, which is basically the elimination half-life, ranges from 30 to 60 minutes. The half-life, or terminal half-life, during which the drug is eliminated from the third compartment, or tissue fat, ranges from 300 to 700 minutes. Clearance is by hepatic elimination.  The large contribution of (about 50%) to the fall of plasma levels means that after very long infusions (at steady state), only about half the initial is needed to maintain the same plasma levels. The large volume of distribution normally seen in the septic or injured host, in combination with the lessened ability to clear the drug in the elderly, can result in a prolonged recovery phase of days due to drug accumulation. Failure to the infusion rate in patients receiving propofol for extended periods may result in excessively high blood concentrations of the drug. Thus, titration to clinical response and daily evaluation of sedation levels are important during extended use of propofol in the ICU.
http://http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/410884_3

Propofol is given intravenously infusing this drug slowly over a period of time to maintain the anaesthetic effects and it is being continuously and quickly removed by the body. So either it built up over time in the blood or a big dose was given at once for there to be such a traceable amount found in all these tissues and fluids. There is also one other possibility... The propofol was poured into/onto blood and tissues samples after they were taken. If this is the case then explains why propofol and lidocaine were both found in the stomach contents.
The combination with the other drugs may cause the propofol to be metabolised slower, causing it to build up.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 03:28:55 PM
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1. On the first page it says he was "unshaven".  Later on it says, "mustache and beard ABSENT"
I don't understand why people focus that much on this. He clearly had not been shaven yet, so he had some overnight stubbles. Overnight stubbles do not make a mustache and beard, obviously.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 03:31:56 PM
I havent read this whole thread yet, so sorry if this has  been mentioned but why would they use his DL pic to identify him? I know for sure they use dental records and fingerprints to ID a body.....a drivers license pic? WITFH?
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 03:34:09 PM
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I havent read this whole thread yet, so sorry if this has  been mentioned but why would they use his DL pic to identify him? I know for sure they use dental records and fingerprints to ID a body.....a drivers license pic? WITFH?

Fingerprints were mentioned in the autopsy report too.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 03:39:35 PM
I saw this on another link.  Thought this was interesting.
It may have already been posted. I don't know but I thought after reading everything so far.


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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 03:40:34 PM
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and here's the date you were talking about...it looks re-written...



And another thing I noticed....On one report it is said Michael Jackson, the next is Michael J. Jackson and the other is Michael Joseph Jackson...
Hm..
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 03:42:21 PM
Ok, I hope I do not ruin anything here, but I e-mailed the LA coroner today, asking about the cpr done on the bed and identification. Got this answer :Tina,

 

This is the real report.  According to our information initially received we were told that Dr. Murray took him out of the bed at once.  It wasn’t until later that the 911 tape came to light.  Michael was identified by both his drivers license, fingerprints and by family.

 

 

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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 03:42:49 PM
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Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"
I havent read this whole thread yet, so sorry if this has  been mentioned but why would they use his DL pic to identify him? I know for sure they use dental records and fingerprints to ID a body.....a drivers license pic? WITFH?

Fingerprints were mentioned in the autopsy report too.

Ok. I havent read the whole thig on that either!! Ive been busy doing tax stuff at work!! Just when to good stuff starts, I get swamped at work!! grrrr.!
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 03:44:27 PM
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Ok, I hope I do not ruin anything here, but I e-mailed the LA coroner today, asking about the cpr done on the bed and identification. Got this answer :Tina,

 

This is the real report.  According to our information initially received we were told that Dr. Murray took him out of the bed at once.  It wasn’t until later that the 911 tape came to light.  Michael was identified by both his drivers license, fingerprints and by family.

 

 

Ed Winter, Asst. Chief


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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 03:45:47 PM
Quote
http://file.lacounty.gov/bc/q1_2003/cms1_004086.pdf

I saw this on the same site. I hope this helps anyone.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

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Page 3: I preformed an external body examination at the hospital on 6/25/09. The body was positively identified as Michael Joseph Jackson by visual comparison to his California drivers license on 6/25/09.

If this identification was taking place at the hospital, there were many family members present etc why would identification be made using his drivers license? not just that, the next one too...

Page 15: The body was not clothed and no clothing is available for review.

If he was unclothed, where did the drivers licence come from that was used to identify him? It is not like he had pockets to have this item on him at the time. It also seems unlikely it would have been a priority to locate this piece of identification during the efforts to revive him.

I do not know Michael personally but didn't he wear pyjamas a lot? Why would he not have some garment on as he was a modest, shy man and especially as Murray was supposed to be watching over him during the entire "induced sleep". There seemed to be many other medical supplies present why not a hospital gown at least? IDK seems odd...
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I was not able to read the full report yet, but I recall it mentioned a hospital gown. The drivers's licence identification probably was unnecessary, but apparently done anyway. Someone of the staff probably took the drivers licence to the coroner's office afterwards for identification.

The hospital gown is mentioned in the report but not as having been on him until he was at the hospital. The identification by this individual takes place at the hospital not the coroner's office later. There is no clothing for anyone to examine, so he was naked. Naked means no pockets etc. I doubt a family member rushed to his home to retrieve the DL to identify him with. This does not make sense at all

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Page 18: Residual Brain tissue is released to the mortuary 7-8-09.
So if the brain tissue was released 7-8-09 why was the internment ceremony (funeral) delayed until Sept 3. We were told that the family was awaiting the release of this tissue to proceed with his internment. The stories do not coincide.
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The only info on this came from the media, not very reliable: there was rumour about some fuzz within the family about the funeral date, location and full agenda's.

Our opinions will have to remain differing on this.

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Page 51: The majority of the decedent was covered with multiple white towels/sheets leaving only the hands and the top of the head exposed.
I have never heard of anyone being placed in a casket covered by such items. Could the criminalist not distinguish between whether these where towels or sheets? I mean seriously towel and sheet material are 2 completely different things and what purpose did they serve? The criminalist mentions moving the wig but not the sheet/towel items covering the face, how does he even know he is taking hair samples from the right body?
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It's somewhat odd indeed, the purpose of the sheets. As there were multiple, it could have been both towels and sheets. Maybe it was done to conceil the face, to prevent picture's being taken. For sure he must have checked that this was the right body, can't imagine he would not have.


You assume he checked but that is not a fact.

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Nowhere are there any test results for the hair samples that were taken included in this report...
A big deal seems to be made about substances on the hair and some sort of adhesive on the head but we see no results of any tests or anything.
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These tests were apparently done after the autopsy, which is why they may not have been included in the report.

Please link the information about this "apparent" tests so that I may review them. As they were requested prior to the completion of the autopsy report and the report was delayed due to awaiting test results, it does not seem reasonable that if tests where done that where not included in the completed report.

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Page 3: Scene description - Various medical supplies including a box a catheters...Also at the foot of the bed,there was a closed bottle of urine atop a chair.
Body Examination - There was also an external urine catheter present.

Ok so when this supposed home infusion of anaesthetic was taking place, a catheter was being used to collect urine. Nowhere in the report does it say that this catheter was attached to any sort of collection bag. We have a bottle of urine which has been closed and capped sitting there but no one takes it for any type of testing, nothing is described as having been attached to it etc. TMZ peeing in cups story anyone?
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It may have been analysed, but reported in a seperate report from the autopsy report.

You assume again please provide the information to support this. and I again say a delayed report awaiting test results, yet these tests are not included...
 
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Propofol is given intravenously infusing this drug slowly over a period of time to maintain the anaesthetic effects and it is being continuously and quickly removed by the body. So either it built up over time in the blood or a big dose was given at once for there to be such a traceable amount found in all these tissues and fluids. There is also one other possibility... The propofol was poured into/onto blood and tissues samples after they were taken. If this is the case then explains why propofol and lidocaine were both found in the stomach contents.
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The combination with the other drugs may cause the propofol to be metabolised slower, causing it to build up.

Please again provide the data to back this up. I have read extensively about propofol and have not found anything that suggests the other drugs present caused the popofol to metabolize slower. I have found other issue that may arise but not this one.
Since propofol is rarely used alone, an adequate period of evaluation of the awakened patient is indicated to ensure satisfactory recovery from general anesthesia or sedation
http://http://www.rxmed.com/b.main/b2.pharmaceutical/b2.1.monographs/CPS-%20Monographs/CPS-%20%28General%20Monographs-%20D%29/DIPRIVAN.html
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 03:52:27 PM
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Ok, I hope I do not ruin anything here, but I e-mailed the LA coroner today, asking about the cpr done on the bed and identification. Got this answer :Tina,

 

This is the real report.  According to our information initially received we were told that Dr. Murray took him out of the bed at once.  It wasn’t until later that the 911 tape came to light.  Michael was identified by both his drivers license, fingerprints and by family.

 

 

Ed Winter, Asst. Chief

That makes sense but perhaps we should ask them why they chose to release it in the first place and why to TMZ, considering that it's a tabloid and if they have the approval of the Jackson family? Would the family really want this report to circle around on the internet? idk, maybe...
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 03:53:34 PM
yes, and I just send an e-mail asking about that :)
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 03:56:52 PM
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Ok, I hope I do not ruin anything here, but I e-mailed the LA coroner today, asking about the cpr done on the bed and identification. Got this answer :Tina,

 

This is the real report.  According to our information initially received we were told that Dr. Murray took him out of the bed at once.  It wasn’t until later that the 911 tape came to light.  Michael was identified by both his drivers license, fingerprints and by family.

 

 

Ed Winter, Asst. Chief



well, this is in fact weird because I remember seeing the Dr CM lawyer stating something like "yes, he did cpr on the bed.. but it was a tight one" and I was like o.O WTF?! even I know that it must be done in floor!!.... So.. why have we've seen this kind of stuffs from lawyers voice in this case, but the have another story since the beggining?

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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 04:51:09 PM
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Ok, I hope I do not ruin anything here, but I e-mailed the LA coroner today, asking about the cpr done on the bed and identification. Got this answer :Tina,

 

This is the real report.  According to our information initially received we were told that Dr. Murray took him out of the bed at once.  It wasn’t until later that the 911 tape came to light.  Michael was identified by both his drivers license, fingerprints and by family.

 

 

Ed Winter, Asst. Chief



well, this is in fact weird because I remember seeing the Dr CM lawyer stating something like "yes, he did cpr on the bed.. but it was a tight one" and I was like o.O WTF?! even I know that it must be done in floor!!.... So.. why have we've seen this kind of stuffs from lawyers voice in this case, but the have another story since the beggining?

Lots of L.O.V.E!!

You´re so right! I remember that too! I can´t believe they forget what they said.... all this is nonsense
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 04:54:08 PM
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The hospital gown is mentioned in the report but not as having been on him until he was at the hospital. The identification by this individual takes place at the hospital not the coroner's office later. There is no clothing for anyone to examine, so he was naked. Naked means no pockets etc. I doubt a family member rushed to his home to retrieve the DL to identify him with. This does not make sense at all
There were no clothes to be seen at the ambulance pic either, halfnaked at least. Someone obviously retrieved the drivers licence for ID, why is that weird? The investigator drove to the house herself with E. Winter at 19:10 at june 25th, she might have even retrieved it herself.

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You assume again please provide the information to support this. and I again say a delayed report awaiting test results, yet these tests are not included...
Why do you assume the report was delayed? The report was sealed untill now (actually, in documentation it was requested to be sealed untill 18th januari) to not jeopardize the investigation. As far as I can tell, the hair tests were not part of the autopsy, hence, they were not included in the report.

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The combination with the other drugs may cause the propofol to be metabolised slower, causing it to build up.

Please again provide the data to back this up. I have read extensively about propofol and have not found anything that suggests the other drugs present caused the popofol to metabolize slower. I have found other issue that may arise but not this one.
I am too lazy at the moment to search the internet to give you some reading on this. Maybe you can do some search yourself.
Some suggestion: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1937 ... dinalpos=6
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 05:21:32 PM
for me this report is from a body and its real but not mikes! im starting to seriously think a double has been used. inconsistincies are there again with this.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 05:26:24 PM
I have 2 thoughts...one is kind of whacky but here goes....The only way that I know if to compare fingerprints would be to compare to the 2003 arrest. If you recall he was 5.11 that day and the day of the autopsy he is not quite 5.9. I don't know where to go with this from here but I'll keep thinking on it. Also one of my friends said I would be surprised at what money can buy....especially in places where corruption flourishes...I can't trust that someone wasn't paid off at any point along this journey whether it's the body, the fingerprints etc. Was there any mention of the scars on his scalp from the pepsi fire. I went through it quickly but surely those scars are mentioned??
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 05:35:18 PM
HOW CAN MICHAEL HAVE BEEN 16 POUNDS HEAVIER IN THE AUTOPSY... THAN HE WAS IN 2003 WHEN HE WAS ARRESTED??

Think about it... more than a stone heavier????? Really??????????? :?

Ive seen TII and there is no way MJ is a stone heavier than he was in 2003
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 05:38:02 PM
I read an article that said that E'Casenova was asked to do something for Michael 2 weeks before his arrest in 2003 and E'Casenova is 5'11...just sayin
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 05:46:09 PM
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I read an article that said that E'Casenova was asked to do something for Michael 2 weeks before his arrest in 2003 and E'Casenova is 5'11...just sayin


really???? hm.. um.. :shock: But E`Cas is still alive...we saw interviews after Michaels "death" and this tribute concert on hawaii or whereever?#
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 06:08:12 PM
On page 51 where they are talking about collecting hair samples for toxicology testing, the report describes a yellow casket with blue lining.It's entirely possible that I'm wrong, but I thought the casket was gold with either a white or off-white lining.
Also, it says that the hair samples were collected by plucking with gloved hands.Maybe someone here knows how such a procedure is done, but I would have thought that tweezers would have been used to ensure that they get the root.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 06:09:24 PM
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Ok, I hope I do not ruin anything here, but I e-mailed the LA coroner today, asking about the cpr done on the bed and identification. Got this answer :Tina,

 

This is the real report.  According to our information initially received we were told that Dr. Murray took him out of the bed at once.  It wasn’t until later that the 911 tape came to light.  Michael was identified by both his drivers license, fingerprints and by family.

 

 

Ed Winter, Asst. Chief

The leaked 911 call and the autopsy both happened on the same day, June 26.
I remember thinking it was weird that they had completed the autopsy already.
What doesn't make sense to me, is that what "information" is Ed Winter referring to?  Who told them that Dr. Murray took him out of the bed at once?  The 911 call came out the same day.  They couldn't change their misinformation to make it correct?  Didn't they perform a second autopsy?  They couldn't have added the correct information then?  Its not like the 911 call came out weeks after the autopsies were completed.  They changed the date.  Can't change the wrong info?  And wouldn't listening to a 911 call be something they would do anyway?  What happens if the paramedic 911 instructions over the phone were wrong and that is what killed the patient? (Theoretically) Coroners don't bother to listen to a 911 call to help their investigation?
It just seems odd to me that they had no idea about the 911 call until after it was leaked.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 06:15:50 PM
In this interview, MJ talks about being interested in anatonomy..  "the brain and the bones"

[youtube:qat746ph]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlz3BoDrIDA&feature=related[/youtube:qat746ph]
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 06:49:52 PM
Page 41 to 48:
NOTE: Hospital, Blood: Tube labelled "Trauma, Gershwin" drawn on 06/25/09 @1330 hours

Gershwin? There is no doctor named this at Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Centre. It seems highly unusual that under these circumstances the blood is being labelled with a false name but I guess one never knows..
As in George Gershwin the famous composer?
http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Gershwin
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 07:14:11 PM
What I find strange is if the Coroner's office was in possession of the body until Aug. how did they  have him in the casket at the memorial service in July?
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 07:28:51 PM
George Gershwin
"It Ain't Necessarily So" is a popular song with music by George Gershwin and lyrics by Ira Gershwin. The song comes from the Gershwins' opera Porgy and Bess (1935) where it is sung by the character Sportin' Life, a drug dealer, who expresses his doubt about several statements in the Bible.
http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Ain%27t_Necessarily_So

[youtube:3miblfnp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J7z2C9isfM[/youtube:3miblfnp]

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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 07:41:39 PM
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Page 41 to 48:
NOTE: Hospital, Blood: Tube labelled "Trauma, Gershwin" drawn on 06/25/09 @1330 hours

Gershwin? There is no doctor named this at Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Centre. It seems highly unusual that under these circumstances the blood is being labelled with a false name but I guess one never knows..
As in George Gershwin the famous composer?
http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Gershwin

Yes, about the tube of blood.  In several places I have read that the time "Michael" arrived at UCLA was 1:14 (1314 hours).  In the chaos of bringing him into the emergency room, establishing resuscitation efforts, etc., would someone actually have taken a TUBE of blood from his body (if it was labeled 1330 hours, this means the blood would have been taken 16 minutes after he got to UCLA).  Would someone actually have had  time to think about labeling the tube  at this time?  Would they have time to think about using a fake name?  A TUBE of blood is quite a lot (I recall this from when I have had to give blood for tests, etc.) Does someone with a medical background know if this is really a procedure they would perform on someone during a life or death situation?
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 07:44:17 PM
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Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
Page 41 to 48:
NOTE: Hospital, Blood: Tube labelled "Trauma, Gershwin" drawn on 06/25/09 @1330 hours

Gershwin? There is no doctor named this at Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Centre. It seems highly unusual that under these circumstances the blood is being labelled with a false name but I guess one never knows..
As in George Gershwin the famous composer?
http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Gershwin

Yes, about the tube of blood.  In several places I have read that the time "Michael" arrived at UCLA was 1:14 (1314 hours).  In the chaos of bringing him into the emergency room, establishing resuscitation efforts, etc., would someone actually have taken a TUBE of blood from his body (if it was labeled 1330 hours, this means the blood would have been taken 16 minutes after he got to UCLA).  Would someone actually have had  time to think about labeling the tube  at this time?  Would they have time to think about using a fake name?  A TUBE of blood is quite a lot (I recall this from when I have had to give blood for tests, etc.) Does someone with a medical background know if this is really a procedure they would perform on someone during a life or death situation?

It ain't necessarily so...
It's NOT TRUE
Meaning it's FAKED!!!
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 08:12:32 PM
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Page 41 to 48:
NOTE: Hospital, Blood: Tube labelled "Trauma, Gershwin" drawn on 06/25/09 @1330 hours

Gershwin? There is no doctor named this at Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Centre. It seems highly unusual that under these circumstances the blood is being labelled with a false name but I guess one never knows..
As in George Gershwin the famous composer?
http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Gershwin


And about the "Trauma, Gershwin".  I googled "Trauma, Gershwin" last night and came up with another of those weird coincidental link thingies.  

Here are the links, in order, if anyone is interested.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0006097/     I clicked on "character name" thinking this "Trauma, Gershwin" seems to be a name, and that provided a link to this page -

keywords 1 childhood-trauma  http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0006097/filmokey

then http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0006097/film ... ood-trauma

then to the link for this movie  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0236027/

the plot summary for the movie http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0236027/plotsummary

"Four small gangsters from Copenhagen trick a gangster boss: they take over 4,000,000 kroner which they were supposed to bring him. Trying to escape to Barcelona they are forced to stop in the countryside, in an old, wrecked house, hiding there for several weeks. Slowly, one after another, they realize, that they would like to stay there, starting a new life, renovating the house and forming it into a restaurant. But they can't avoid being caught up by their past."

Then the tie-in back to Gershwin  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0236027/soundtrack

""Rhapsody in Blue"
Composed by George Gershwin"

Just another weird tie-in.  But there are so many!!
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 08:16:36 PM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
In this interview, MJ talks about being interested in anatonomy..  "the brain and the bones"

[youtube:9i61qm3l]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlz3BoDrIDA&feature=related[/youtube:9i61qm3l]

i absolutely love this video. thanks.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 08:20:44 PM
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Today I finished reading the autopsy results and some things did not seem right.But  ofcourse it is just my opinion.
The autopsy report stated that in 2009 june his weight was 136lb(61,7 kg)  but in 2003 when he was charged with **** he weighed 120lb(54,4 kg) and I strongly believe that in june 2009 Mike was thinner than in 2003 .I am  also wondering about his height.....The autopsy report stated that he was  5``9 tall but back in 2003 he was measured 5``11 .HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE...c``mon people he aint no Benjamin Button  <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->

Yes, the weight seems wrong.
Also, if you have seen the extras on the TII DVD, the woman that trained the dancers mentioned at the selection of the dancers that one of the requirements was that they be no taller than Michael.  Then she said: so 5'9", 5'10, 5'11.  I was thinking at the time, well which is it?
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 08:29:57 PM
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Today I finished reading the autopsy results and some things did not seem right.But  ofcourse it is just my opinion.
The autopsy report stated that in 2009 june his weight was 136lb(61,7 kg)  but in 2003 when he was charged with **** he weighed 120lb(54,4 kg) and I strongly believe that in june 2009 Mike was thinner than in 2003 .I am  also wondering about his height.....The autopsy report stated that he was  5``9 tall but back in 2003 he was measured 5``11 .HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE...c``mon people he aint no Benjamin Button  <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->

Yes, the weight seems wrong.
Also, if you have seen the extras on the TII DVD, the woman that trained the dancers mentioned at the selection of the dancers that one of the requirements was that they be no taller than Michael.  Then she said: so 5'9", 5'10, 5'11.  I was thinking at the time, well which is it?
the weight is wrong!  There is no way he weighed that much.  As for his height in 2003, the 2 inches are from his shoes.  On the table he was barefoot.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 08:39:37 PM
I clearly remember someone saying that Michael was brought to the hospital in pants, but no shirt.  So where are those pants?
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 08:40:56 PM
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What I find strange is if the Coroner's office was in possession of the body until Aug. how did they  have him in the casket at the memorial service in July?
I think they were talking about "parts" of MJ's body that they were doing testing on and didn't release those until Aug.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

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Question: Did I miss it, or were the discolored fingernails not mentioned in this report.  I would have thought they would be, and a possible cause as to why his nails were discolored.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 08:56:20 PM
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It still could be someone elses autospy and they just put Michael's name in the appropriate places!!?? What about the famous scar on Michaels cheek...they don't mention that in the report, also why was there a bottle of urine there if he had a catheter in place? Then on the toxicology report, with all the different drugs he supposedly taken on that night, why weren't they all found in the report? I don't know what to think anymore :(  I do know that BOW finally slipped up big time because she said last night that Murray would NOT be charged today!!
excellent!  excellent!  The little round scar on his cheek that looks like a pock mark from the little brown mole he had removed from childhood!  Good eyes!  You can see that little round scar in EVERY one of his pictures, even if he has a ton of makeup on that day.  Also, where is the scar from 2003 when he hit his forehead and where is the PEPSI BURN SCAR??????????
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 10:38:18 PM
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It still could be someone elses autospy and they just put Michael's name in the appropriate places!!?? What about the famous scar on Michaels cheek...they don't mention that in the report, also why was there a bottle of urine there if he had a catheter in place? Then on the toxicology report, with all the different drugs he supposedly taken on that night, why weren't they all found in the report? I don't know what to think anymore :(  I do know that BOW finally slipped up big time because she said last night that Murray would NOT be charged today!!
excellent!  excellent!  The little round scar on his cheek that looks like a pock mark from the little brown mole he had removed from childhood!  Good eyes!  You can see that little round scar in EVERY one of his pictures, even if he has a ton of makeup on that day.  Also, where is the scar from 2003 when he hit his forehead and where is the PEPSI BURN SCAR??????????

bottle of urine??? WTH??? How they know is his urine??? they have to use the catheter... :?
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 09, 2010, 11:42:06 PM
AND WHY IS THIS REPORT SOOO LONG AND OVERLY EXAGGERATED! :twisted: I MEAN IS IT JUST BECAUSE IT IS MJ OR WHAT.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 10, 2010, 07:36:19 AM
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It still could be someone elses autospy and they just put Michael's name in the appropriate places!!?? What about the famous scar on Michaels cheek...they don't mention that in the report, also why was there a bottle of urine there if he had a catheter in place? Then on the toxicology report, with all the different drugs he supposedly taken on that night, why weren't they all found in the report? I don't know what to think anymore :(  I do know that BOW finally slipped up big time because she said last night that Murray would NOT be charged today!!
excellent!  excellent!  The little round scar on his cheek that looks like a pock mark from the little brown mole he had removed from childhood!  Good eyes!  You can see that little round scar in EVERY one of his pictures, even if he has a ton of makeup on that day.  Also, where is the scar from 2003 when he hit his forehead and where is the PEPSI BURN SCAR??????????



Gooood find!

On this drawings they just marked 2 scars on the backhead, one on the left side and one on the right side..but also they marked a little spot in the middle...but I can't read what is written there, so I don't know if this is Pepsi-Burn-scar. And his lungs....it's described like he was a hell-big smoker...his bronchitis or something...I really think that this is not Michael Jackson they were talkin about in this report
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 10, 2010, 09:17:51 AM
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What I find strange is if the Coroner's office was in possession of the body until Aug. how did they  have him in the casket at the memorial service in July?
I think they were talking about "parts" of MJ's body that they were doing testing on and didn't release those until Aug.

I am refering to the section that says in Aug. someone took hair from the body to check for drug use in the hair folicles.  That would require it be taken from the body.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 10, 2010, 09:55:36 AM
So at least this report carries the vitiligo confirmation. And btw, report nr. is 2009-04415...makes 7
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 10, 2010, 12:08:17 PM
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It still could be someone elses autospy and they just put Michael's name in the appropriate places!!?? What about the famous scar on Michaels cheek...they don't mention that in the report, also why was there a bottle of urine there if he had a catheter in place? Then on the toxicology report, with all the different drugs he supposedly taken on that night, why weren't they all found in the report? I don't know what to think anymore :(  I do know that BOW finally slipped up big time because she said last night that Murray would NOT be charged today!!
excellent!  excellent!  The little round scar on his cheek that looks like a pock mark from the little brown mole he had removed from childhood!  Good eyes!  You can see that little round scar in EVERY one of his pictures, even if he has a ton of makeup on that day.  Also, where is the scar from 2003 when he hit his forehead and where is the PEPSI BURN SCAR??????????

bottle of urine??? WTH??? How they know is his urine??? they have to use the catheter... :?

and they said that he identified the man as a black male.now i dont know if mike was totally white now and there were no evidence of vitiligo on his skin,but if there were they should have said that is "a black male,with his skin white because of the vitiligo".
or if he was totally white how did they knew he was a black male?just because he was michael jackson and they knew he was black when he was little?
im curious if they identified the body after the authopsy or before.i cant remember seeing this there.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 10, 2010, 12:42:21 PM
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It still could be someone elses autospy and they just put Michael's name in the appropriate places!!?? What about the famous scar on Michaels cheek...they don't mention that in the report, also why was there a bottle of urine there if he had a catheter in place? Then on the toxicology report, with all the different drugs he supposedly taken on that night, why weren't they all found in the report? I don't know what to think anymore :(  I do know that BOW finally slipped up big time because she said last night that Murray would NOT be charged today!!
excellent!  excellent!  The little round scar on his cheek that looks like a pock mark from the little brown mole he had removed from childhood!  Good eyes!  You can see that little round scar in EVERY one of his pictures, even if he has a ton of makeup on that day.  Also, where is the scar from 2003 when he hit his forehead and where is the PEPSI BURN SCAR??????????

bottle of urine??? WTH??? How they know is his urine??? they have to use the catheter... :?

and they said that he identified the man as a black male.now i dont know if mike was totally white now and there were no evidence of vitiligo on his skin,but if there were they should have said that is "a black male,with his skin white because of the vitiligo".
or if he was totally white how did they knew he was a black male?just because he was michael jackson and they knew he was black when he was little?
im curious if they identified the body after the authopsy or before.i cant remember seeing this there.

I'm sure there are a lot of signs of race except color. It can be the shape of the head, ears, teeth, anything. Sone nations are indentified by the inner lines of ears. If you are not specialist you won't say that, but they know how.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 10, 2010, 01:02:12 PM
As I wrote yesterday, I e-mailed the coroners, asking them how on earth the report was all of a sudden public, and how and why TMZ got their hands on it. Heres the answer . Sounds like bull to me, is it really true that anybody can ask for such report ? I dont live in the States....

Tina,

 

All of our reports are public unless there is a Security Hold placed on the case.  Once charges are filed the case is a matter of public record.


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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 10, 2010, 01:03:11 PM
hm...strange. I don't know either...is that usual in the states?
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 10, 2010, 01:21:13 PM
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As I wrote yesterday, I e-mailed the coroners, asking them how on earth the report was all of a sudden public, and how and why TMZ got their hands on it. Heres the answer . Sounds like bull to me, is it really true that anybody can ask for such report ? I dont live in the States....

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All of our reports are public unless there is a Security Hold placed on the case.  Once charges are filed the case is a matter of public record.


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It looks like they are public.  This is from a Pennsylvania State website.  

Are Autopsy Reports Public Record?

Yes. The Supreme Court of Pennsylvania ruled in January 2009 that "[w]e now hold expressly that autopsy reports are “official records and papers”" under the Coronor's Act. Therefore, autopsy reports are available under the RTK Law.



http://openrecords.state.pa.us/portal/s ... rue#ques25

Crapola.  That blows my theory right out of the water.  Quite frankly, I find that disturbing.  Seems like something that should be kept private.  :|

This appears to apply to all states, but I just read something interesting.  In California, an autopsy is not to be made public if it is from a suspected homicide.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but Murray hasn't been fully charged yet, has he????  No sentence has been made, he has not gone to prison, therefor the charges are not complete??
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 10, 2010, 02:32:41 PM
*Little remark*: Most of the scanned documents made public by the media are CRAP QUALITY
*#@$%!!
It's often unreadable
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 10, 2010, 02:57:33 PM
I couldn't read anymore of the report-- it felt intrusive. That's not a slam against anyone else who has or who will read it. It just felt that way for me. Maybe I'll read more of it at a later date-- I don't know...

I was holding on, hoping that Michael is hiding somewhere, but what I did read of the report (I read it on The Smoking Gun), seems too detailed to be fake. As the evidence seems to mount that Michael has passed from this life into the next, people keep saying that things are fake. I remember the picture where Michael stood in front of the "S" in a still photo from This Is It. In videos, video-makers claimed it was photo-shopped. Later it was concluded that it wasn't photo-shopped. No disrespect to anyone, but after awhile it just all seems like disregarding facts.

Before anyone asked, "Well, why are you still here?", let me answer-- because I want to be. I want to see something that proves me wrong. When it was first announced Michael had died, I first believed he was murdered. I made a chart to follow the money. I came up with some of the same names that others have--Phillip Anschutz, James Weller, Tohme, to name a few-- but then I ran across a hoax video, and I changed directions, changed my way of thinking.

I still hope Michael is alive, but honestly, it doesn't look good. I hope I'm wrong, and I hope he returns with a reason why he disappeared, if in fact he did.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 10, 2010, 03:57:52 PM
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Stop saying he's dead...  :(
i thought it was supposed to be a double?????
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 10, 2010, 04:52:32 PM
For some time thinking about this-if Michael was addicted to the drugs did it would not be reflected in his body? liver, stomach,anything? they contradict themselves...
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 10, 2010, 04:56:18 PM
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I read an article that said that E'Casenova was asked to do something for Michael 2 weeks before his arrest in 2003 and E'Casenova is 5'11...just sayin


really???? hm.. um.. :shock: But E`Cas is still alive...we saw interviews after Michaels "death" and this tribute concert on hawaii or whereever?#
Please visit the e cas thread in either odd things or breaking news.  ecas doin interview about mj but it dont look like him!!!!!!
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

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http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0262721/resume

Here i found some info's about E Casanova....the same high like the man from the autopsie.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 10, 2010, 06:23:18 PM
I thought that the autopsy or the autopsy michael made at the request of the family jackson (katherine) which means that the autopsy done at the request of the family are private autopsies are performed outside the hospital and can cost several thousand dollars.la jackson family she would agree to TMZ to upload a private autopsy report?
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 10, 2010, 06:41:57 PM
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/ye ... kson1.html

I had problems to open the TMZ autospie report, but i read here some details that are not include in the autopsie report from the smoking gun...look at the link.

Now i am to tired....it's after midnight, but tomorrow i will print both reports and look at the differences....
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 10, 2010, 08:05:21 PM
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As I wrote yesterday, I e-mailed the coroners, asking them how on earth the report was all of a sudden public, and how and why TMZ got their hands on it. Heres the answer . Sounds like bull to me, is it really true that anybody can ask for such report ? I dont live in the States....

Tina,

 

All of our reports are public unless there is a Security Hold placed on the case.  Once charges are filed the case is a matter of public record.


Ed Winter, Asst. Chief

It looks like they are public.  This is from a Pennsylvania State website.  

Are Autopsy Reports Public Record?

Yes. The Supreme Court of Pennsylvania ruled in January 2009 that "[w]e now hold expressly that autopsy reports are “official records and papers”" under the Coronor's Act. Therefore, autopsy reports are available under the RTK Law.



http://openrecords.state.pa.us/portal/s ... rue#ques25

Crapola.  That blows my theory right out of the water.  Quite frankly, I find that disturbing.  Seems like something that should be kept private.  :|

This appears to apply to all states, but I just read something interesting. In California, an autopsy is not to be made public if it is from a suspected homicide.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but Murray hasn't been fully charged yet, has he????  No sentence has been made, he has not gone to prison, therefor the charges are not complete??


Well, there is your answer.  Michael's death was ruled a homocide, and Murray was charged with involuntary manslaughter. So, this report should not have been made public, at least not until the trial is over.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 11, 2010, 07:54:07 AM
The second autopsy was not requested it by katherine, if so it is a private autopsy, why make it public?
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 11, 2010, 08:28:49 AM
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As I wrote yesterday, I e-mailed the coroners, asking them how on earth the report was all of a sudden public, and how and why TMZ got their hands on it. Heres the answer . Sounds like bull to me, is it really true that anybody can ask for such report ? I dont live in the States....

Tina,

 

All of our reports are public unless there is a Security Hold placed on the case.  Once charges are filed the case is a matter of public record.


Ed Winter, Asst. Chief

It looks like they are public.  This is from a Pennsylvania State website.  

Are Autopsy Reports Public Record?

Yes. The Supreme Court of Pennsylvania ruled in January 2009 that "[w]e now hold expressly that autopsy reports are “official records and papers”" under the Coronor's Act. Therefore, autopsy reports are available under the RTK Law.



http://openrecords.state.pa.us/portal/s ... rue#ques25

Crapola.  That blows my theory right out of the water.  Quite frankly, I find that disturbing.  Seems like something that should be kept private.  :|

This appears to apply to all states, but I just read something interesting. In California, an autopsy is not to be made public if it is from a suspected homicide.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but Murray hasn't been fully charged yet, has he????  No sentence has been made, he has not gone to prison, therefor the charges are not complete??


Well, there is your answer.  Michael's death was ruled a homocide, and Murray was charged with involuntary manslaughter. So, this report should not have been made public, at least not until the trial is over.

Exactly. Maybe we could e-mail the coroners again and ask about this. There might be a reasonable explanation but it would be interesting to know what their response is...
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 11, 2010, 08:34:29 AM
They released it once Murray was charged because the investigation is now officially over, and that's what they were waiting for.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 11, 2010, 09:22:02 AM
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For some time thinking about this-if Michael was addicted to the drugs did it would not be reflected in his body? liver, stomach,anything? they contradict themselves...
keep the faith!
Exactly!
Plus, one of the first thing mentioned is he had vitiligo. I mean, it seems to me like "someone" wanted to clear things up once and for all ;) is it so important to mention that in the first part of the report? Why?
No mention of the Pepsi burn scar, no mention of discoloured nails, mention of a catheter which I found  weird: it was at reharsal the day before, how on earth could reharsal with a catheter? Or did they want us to believe they put it on just while he was sleeping? But catheter is not used for few hours usually, it's used when a patient is not able to go to the loo for several days. Plus didn't the report mention there were plastich sheet on on side of the bed? So why the catheter?
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 11, 2010, 10:44:10 AM
a medical examination for 5 hours and did not see any here that say!
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 11, 2010, 10:47:22 AM
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For some time thinking about this-if Michael was addicted to the drugs did it would not be reflected in his body? liver, stomach,anything? they contradict themselves...
keep the faith!
Exactly!
Plus, one of the first thing mentioned is he had vitiligo. I mean, it seems to me like "someone" wanted to clear things up once and for all ;) is it so important to mention that in the first part of the report? Why?
No mention of the Pepsi burn scar, no mention of discoloured nails, mention of a catheter which I found  weird: it was at reharsal the day before, how on earth could reharsal with a catheter? Or did they want us to believe they put it on just while he was sleeping? But catheter is not used for few hours usually, it's used when a patient is not able to go to the loo for several days. Plus didn't the report mention there were plastich sheet on on side of the bed? So why the catheter?

There are different types of catheters and the one Michael had on according to the report was a condon catheter. It's external and as the name suggests it's just "put on" as a condom and therefore simple to remove as well. He'd need it because of the anaesthetics which relaxes all the muscles in the body.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 11, 2010, 12:51:56 PM
I sent this email to Ed Winter:

Good afternoon

I am wondering if you can help me understand something about Michael Jackson's autopsy report.
This document has been released to TMZ, who have issued it on the Internet  for anyone to read (consisting of 51 pages).
I understand that Autopsy reports are in the public domain but is it usual to issue them to the Press?

This is his reply:

The autopsy reports are considered a matter of public record here in California .  The press can get them as soon as a criminal complaint is filed or the case if finalized.

Ed Winter, Asst. Chief
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 11, 2010, 12:53:04 PM
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I sent this email to Ed Winter:

Good afternoon

I am wondering if you can help me understand something about Michael Jackson's autopsy report.
This document has been released to TMZ, who have issued it on the Internet  for anyone to read (consisting of 51 pages).
I understand that Autopsy reports are in the public domain but is it usual to issue them to the Press?

This is his reply:

The autopsy reports are considered a matter of public record here in California .  The press can get them as soon as a criminal complaint is filed or the case if finalized.

Ed Winter, Asst. Chief
I got the same answer yesterday. I dont think we can get anything out from them :(
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 11, 2010, 12:58:59 PM
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Quote from: "Datroot"
I sent this email to Ed Winter:

Good afternoon

I am wondering if you can help me understand something about Michael Jackson's autopsy report.
This document has been released to TMZ, who have issued it on the Internet  for anyone to read (consisting of 51 pages).
I understand that Autopsy reports are in the public domain but is it usual to issue them to the Press?

This is his reply:

The autopsy reports are considered a matter of public record here in California .  The press can get them as soon as a criminal complaint is filed or the case if finalized.

Ed Winter, Asst. Chief
I got the same answer yesterday. I dont think we can get anything out from them :(

I think its just a standard reply they send everyone.  Ed Winter probably doesn't answer himself - he surely would be too busy to answer all emails about MJ - he must get shedloads.  He won't say anything himself - he didn't even make a public statement after the alleged autopsy.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 11, 2010, 03:29:43 PM
What I am confused about is that Murray was charged, yes... but his case is by no means finalized.  He has not gone to court yet and has not been proven innocent or guilty yet, he's simply been charged, not sentenced.  So how can they say his autopsy is allowed to be public record because the case has been finalized?  Won't they still need it as evidence for the jury and judge when Murray goes to court in April?  Wouldn't allowing the future jurors to read the report before going to court give them a biased opinion?
Another thing that bothers me, autopsy's are public record... but they are public to any citizen who requests one and pays a fee to obtain it.  Does it seem allowable for a tabloid to obtain it and then spread it all over the internet?  I just can't see how that's justified.  :?  Ed Winter's reply sounds like a bunch of malarky.  He didn't really even answer the question.  Public yes, but to be spread on the internet...  :|   :|   :|  I imagine the press could get a report and maybe quote it, give the general gist of it.  But the whole thing?  For his family and children to read?  That just strikes me as very wrong.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 11, 2010, 04:17:50 PM
The investigation has been finalised, not the trial.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 11, 2010, 06:42:28 PM
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What I am confused about is that Murray was charged, yes... but his case is by no means finalized.  He has not gone to court yet and has not been proven innocent or guilty yet, he's simply been charged, not sentenced.  So how can they say his autopsy is allowed to be public record because the case has been finalized?  Won't they still need it as evidence for the jury and judge when Murray goes to court in April?  Wouldn't allowing the future jurors to read the report before going to court give them a biased opinion?
Another thing that bothers me, autopsy's are public record... but they are public to any citizen who requests one and pays a fee to obtain it.  Does it seem allowable for a tabloid to obtain it and then spread it all over the internet?  I just can't see how that's justified.  :?  Ed Winter's reply sounds like a bunch of malarky.  He didn't really even answer the question.  Public yes, but to be spread on the internet...  :|   :|   :|  I imagine the press could get a report and maybe quote it, give the general gist of it.  But the whole thing?  For his family and children to read?  That just strikes me as very wrong.


I find this hard to believe.  This is personal information and not for public scrutiny.  If it were a true report and I was Michael's mum, I would fight this tooth and nail.  It is just wrong :roll:
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 11, 2010, 08:36:03 PM
I have pretty much lost my hope that MJ is still alive.

However, I am reading thru the report and I noticed that until page 14 everything is stated in inch, but starting page 15 it suddenly changes to cm.

I find that kinda strange.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 12, 2010, 12:24:42 PM
I was scared when I saw it,but if you think about it well...The situation doesn't change that much,it only evolves...Why do you trust TMZ's words,or the coroner's writings,even tough we didn't believe both until now...
I find it strange that it's published on internet...even tough the whole story is far from finished..and is it even possible to publish that kind of thing ? It should be private right ?
I don't want to be desilusionnal,but the thing is that we've hang on our beliefs until now,why give up everything just because some report get out on TMZ ? We have to search until we find an answer..Not give up until we have all the answers,no way.
Is it even legit that thing ?
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 12, 2010, 08:47:18 PM
Hey what about the private autopsy report the Jackson 's had done ? They would have to pay for this too !!
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 12, 2010, 08:54:05 PM
The only drugs found in MJs system were one that Murray gave him...  FACT.  

His weight was 136 pounds...   much heavier than when he was arrested in 2003...  FACT  - although i feel uneasy about this as in TII he looks thin.
Also contradicts what Karen Faye says the mortician told her.

No mention of Pepsi burn scar...  FACT

No mention of discoloured nailes...  FACT

However...  it does CONFIRM multiple facial plastic surgeries...  scars behind the ears and on the neck.  Also states gauze on the tip of his nose and "nasal structures"... so he DID have a false nose, albeit one that was under the skin.   Dont know how to feel about that....   if true, then my poor baby DID mutilate his face at the hands of unscrupilous greedy bastard plastic surgeons.

He did have Vitiligo... FACT.   And that breaks my heart even further in light of what i have typed above.  What could be the worse thing God could hand to a man who is obsessed and unhappy about his appearance?  Yep... a disease that changes the colour of his skin.  Poor baby.   :cry:
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 13, 2010, 04:52:04 AM
Just some remark about the Pepsi scar. On Page 22 there is a marking at the back/top of the head that might be consistent with the Pepsi scar. Also don't forget, he had reconstructive surgery (balloon under the skin, very painful) on his scalp, so possible scarring may have been altered (size, shape).
Isn't it peculiar also that within weeks after the 25th , that Pepsi videoclip was released? Why keeping it under wraps untill then and why release after the 25th, also WHO released it?
There are also some scars described that he did have, such as the one on his right shin.
I'm not too bothered about the hairtattoo either, a lot of male afro-american celebs have it. Just look at Jermaine for instance.
It's a shame it's so badly copied, especially the writing is unreadable
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 13, 2010, 05:16:57 AM
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 Also states gauze on the tip of his nose and "nasal structures"... so he DID have a false nose, albeit one that was under the skin.   Dont know how to feel about that....   if true, then my poor baby DID mutilate his face at the hands of unscrupilous greedy bastard plastic surgeons.

I don't understand the gauze on his nose.  You can't see gauze in the ambulance photo can you?  Did the paramedics put it on afterwards and, like someone mentioned earlier, they left everything in place for the autopsy?  I always thought it looked like the tip of his nose was missing in the ambulance pic. :(  I'm thinking they put gauze over it so no one would see it, which would have been very kind of them.

I agree he may just have had a very small incision scar from the pepsi accident after all the tissue expanders, laser, and surgery they did.  Maybe the coroners didn't even notice it.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 13, 2010, 11:54:11 AM
If his lungs were in the condition they were in the autopsy would he have been able to perform the way he did for This Is It. I didn't see him huffing and puffing or coughing and his lungs had congestion as well as RBILD. So the autopsy is a fake or he didn't perform on This is it. Since we all saw him perform.....the autopsy is fake or belongs to someone else.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 13, 2010, 01:16:03 PM
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If his lungs were in the condition they were in the autopsy would he have been able to perform the way he did for This Is It. I didn't see him huffing and puffing or coughing and his lungs had congestion as well as RBILD. So the autopsy is a fake or he didn't perform on This is it. Since we all saw him perform.....the autopsy is fake or belongs to someone else.

He was out of breath during the rehearsal for "beat it".

Hmmm..  facebook is alive with this..  people are dividing more than ever.

Karen Faye has said they autopsy is "rigged".

More than ever people are questioning these inconsistencies..  waking up to what we have all been saying since day one.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 13, 2010, 03:56:17 PM
is karen faye really saying the autopsy is rigged!!!! wow! she knows his body and face and markings and things better than almost anyone could so if she is saying that then I have a lot of hope! Yes you're right about out of breath - as many 50 year olds might be when staging a comeback but nothing the like the autopsy would have us believe. If we are only seeing the very best and there WERE major issues then AEG and Kenny et al would not be able to look at themselves in the mirror.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 13, 2010, 04:02:36 PM
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is karen faye really saying the autopsy is rigged!!!! wow! she knows his body and face and markings and things better than almost anyone could so if she is saying that then I have a lot of hope! Yes you're right about out of breath - as many 50 year olds might be when staging a comeback but nothing the like the autopsy would have us believe. If we are only seeing the very best and there WERE major issues then AEG and Kenny et al would not be able to look at themselves in the mirror.


Karen is adamant the mortician told her MJ was 109 pounds in weight..  and she has also said that Lisa Marie has stated that MJ was always around 120 pounds when she lived with him.  

So either MJ wasnt as skinny as they said he was and was heavier than he normally weighs...  or they lied on the autopsy report...  (!!!)...  or that wasnt MJs body in the autopsy report....   :?
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 13, 2010, 06:03:53 PM
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is karen faye really saying the autopsy is rigged!!!! wow! she knows his body and face and markings and things better than almost anyone could so if she is saying that then I have a lot of hope! Yes you're right about out of breath - as many 50 year olds might be when staging a comeback but nothing the like the autopsy would have us believe. If we are only seeing the very best and there WERE major issues then AEG and Kenny et al would not be able to look at themselves in the mirror.


Karen is adamant the mortician told her MJ was 109 pounds in weight..  and she has also said that Lisa Marie has stated that MJ was always around 120 pounds when she lived with him.  

So either MJ wasnt as skinny as they said he was and was heavier than he normally weighs...  or they lied on the autopsy report...  (!!!)...  or that wasnt MJs body in the autopsy report....   :?

But Karen Faye seems convinced, or at least argues, that Michael is gone  :(  so what would be her reason to say the AR was a fake? According to the report it shows Michael wasn't in his best state (mainly refering to his lungs) which would be in favour of her statments right? So what could be her reason to not believe it? Hmm, as usual nothing makes sense or I'm just thick...
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 13, 2010, 08:42:03 PM
@alovesmichael..  Karen Faye is going down the lines that MJ was murdered... and its a conspiracy as more people are involved that Dr Murray.  She thinks AEG and Kenny Ortega, etc are in on it..  

i think she is saying that they lied on the autopsy report to make MJs weight look healthier than it was to exonerate AEG, ect and cover them...   so it looks like MJ was relatively healthy and not dangerously underweight, which in turn covers them as many people have pointed the finger and said MJ was too thin and ill to do 50 shows that they were pushing him to do.
When they realised that he was too ill to make the shows they killed him to re-cuperate the money.,

Thats Karens belief.

But would the coroner lie about the weight in the report...  but include the lung disease and oesteoarthitis??

That argument has holes in it too.

it seems this autopsy report has opened more peoples eyes to the lying that is going on.  People know something isnt right.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 13, 2010, 10:50:40 PM
but seriously let's really think about this...Kenny et al don't seem like murderers and Michael is the sweetest guy on the planet so no one would want to kill him. Plus Karen is going a little too over the top about Kenny on her facebook and twitter etc. She doesn't seem like the slanderous unprofessional type and I can't imagine Kenny not being outraged that she is hurling these accusations his way. Seems like a smoke screen to me and staged. If Karen is questioning the autopsy though that just keeps me believing. If the weight is wrong (and pretty far off, even if he was his usual 120) then things like name etc. could be wrong too.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 13, 2010, 11:46:42 PM
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Isn't it peculiar also that within weeks after the 25th , that Pepsi videoclip was released? Why keeping it under wraps untill then and why release after the 25th, also WHO released it?
There are also some scars described that he did have, such as the one on his right shin.
I'm not too bothered about the hairtattoo either, a lot of male afro-american celebs have it. Just look at Jermaine for instance.
It's a shame it's so badly copied, especially the writing is unreadable
 I thought this too!!  WHY after all this time, did it show up.  I thought the only one who had footage of this was MJ himself....unless, his father somehow released it?  Just thinking of the 20/20 (or was it Dateline) show that Joseph was on and showed pictures of MJ's legs with the vitaligo and then the mention of the commercial.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 14, 2010, 04:59:54 AM
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If Karen is questioning the autopsy though that just keeps me believing.
I don't understand your reasoning concerning believing Karen. Why, because you believe everything she says? She also claims he is dead, remember. Karen supposedly did his final make-up in the casket.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 14, 2010, 05:12:12 AM
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Isn't it peculiar also that within weeks after the 25th , that Pepsi videoclip was released? Why keeping it under wraps untill then and why release after the 25th, also WHO released it?
There are also some scars described that he did have, such as the one on his right shin.
I'm not too bothered about the hairtattoo either, a lot of male afro-american celebs have it. Just look at Jermaine for instance.
It's a shame it's so badly copied, especially the writing is unreadable
 I thought this too!!  WHY after all this time, did it show up.  I thought the only one who had footage of this was MJ himself....unless, his father somehow released it?  Just thinking of the 20/20 (or was it Dateline) show that Joseph was on and showed pictures of MJ's legs with the vitaligo and then the mention of the commercial.
Well not just the Pepsi commercial...a lot of pictures/videos/audio only came out after 25th and most of them put Michael in a very good light. That he was a very good father, insights in his family live, how badly he was burned from the Pepsi incident, that he really had Vitiligo/Lupus, leaked songs (Place With No Name, Another Day), that he feared for his live.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 14, 2010, 10:32:29 AM
no not because I believe everything she says but because I think or hope that she is in on the hoax in some way.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 14, 2010, 12:10:07 PM
One thing was not mention in the Coroner's report that MJ suffered from dancer's feet and he had back problems.  MJ would wear a foot cast because the pain was so great.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 14, 2010, 12:20:52 PM
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One thing was not mention in the Coroner's report that MJ suffered from dancer's feet and he had back problems.  MJ would wear a foot cast because the pain was so great.

It does mention back problems..  says oesteoporosis of the lower back.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 14, 2010, 01:31:11 PM
I was listening to Brian Oxman on the day Michael died.. He mentioned Michael had broken his leg...any fractures mentioned in the autopsy?
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 19, 2010, 10:18:25 AM
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TMZ has put the report online now

the whole report?
Apparently, 20 Mb:
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i cant see it..  have a link?

umm i am reading through the report and already i see somehtign wrong with it. if  you go to pg 2 ,read the paragraph that explains what happened. in it , it says that mj's personal physician found him not breathign at 1200 hrs and he got him on the floor and performed cr. but according to the 911 call, if the peramedics got there around 12.26 hours since they were 5 mins away from  mj's rented place, didnt we all here the operator tell the caller to get the 'body' down on the floor for cpr since the caler said it was still on the bed..????
did that make sense guys??
this might be fake.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 19, 2010, 10:24:39 AM
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So is the 911 call fake? This report says MJ was pulled onto the floor for CPR and 911 was called. But the 911 caller said he was on the bed, the 911 operator had to tell him to get him to the floor. Somebody is lying.

 i agree with you..i noticed the same point while reading.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 19, 2010, 10:31:53 AM
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I posted this in another thread but as there seem to be multiple threads about this and this one is the most popular, I will post it here too:

I have been looking over this report and so far a few things that have stood out that seem odd:


Page 1: Facial Hair - Unshaven
unshaven - not shaved
shaved, shaven - having the beard or hair cut off close to the skin

Page 14: A moustache and beard are absent

He looked clean shaven to me in the ambulance photograph...
So someone gave him a shave between the initial examination and the autopsy?


Page 3: I preformed an external body examination at the hospital on 6/25/09. The body was positively identified as Michael Joseph Jackson by visual comparison to his California drivers license on 6/25/09.

If this identification was taking place at the hospital, there were many family members present etc why would identification be made using his drivers license? not just that, the next one too...

Page 15: The body was not clothed and no clothing is available for review.

If he was unclothed, where did the drivers licence come from that was used to identify him? It is not like he had pockets to have this item on him at the time. It also seems unlikely it would have been a priority to locate this piece of identification during the efforts to revive him.

I do not know Michael personally but didn't he wear pyjamas a lot? Why would he not have some garment on as he was a modest, shy man and especially as Murray was supposed to be watching over him during the entire "induced sleep". There seemed to be many other medical supplies present why not a hospital gown at least? IDK seems odd...


Page 18: Residual Brain tissue is released to the mortuary 7-8-09.

So if the brain tissue was released 7-8-09 why was the internment ceremony (funeral) delayed until Sept 3. We were told that the family was awaiting the release of this tissue to proceed with his internment. The stories do not coincide.

Page 51: August 6, 2009at approximately 1300 hours I was notified by Chief of Laboratories Joseph Muto that a Coroner's Criminalist was requested to collect hair samples from the above listed decadent for potential toxicology testing.

The coroner had the body from June 25/09 and it appeared that the decedent may have died from drugs but they never took hair samples at the autopsy? I am not a forensic expert but you would think this would be something that would have been done at autopsy as someone who is a long time drug user would have deposits of these drugs in their hair follicles.

Page 51: The majority of the decedent was covered with multiple white towels/sheets leaving only the hands and the top of the head exposed.

I have never heard of anyone being placed in a casket covered by such items. Could the criminalist not distinguish between whether these where towels or sheets? I mean seriously towel and sheet material are 2 completely different things and what purpose did they serve? The criminalist mentions moving the wig but not the sheet/towel items covering the face, how does he even know he is taking hair samples from the right body?

Nowhere are there any test results for the hair samples that were taken included in this report...
A big deal seems to be made about substances on the hair and some sort of adhesive on the head but we see no results of any tests or anything.


Page 3: Scene description - Various medical supplies including a box a catheters...Also at the foot of the bed,there was a closed bottle of urine atop a chair.
Body Examination - There was also an external urine catheter present.

Ok so when this supposed home infusion of anaesthetic was taking place, a catheter was being used to collect urine. Nowhere in the report does it say that this catheter was attached to any sort of collection bag. We have a bottle of urine which has been closed and capped sitting there, nothing is described as having been attached to it etc. TMZ peeing in cups story anyone?

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A.  Mild cerebral vascular congestion
Cerebral - relating to the brain
Vascular - vessels that conduct and circulate fluids
Congestion - accumulation of blood or other fluid in a body part

Page 26: There is a mild degree of leptomeningeal vascular congestion.
Leptomeningeal - the meninges; membranes surrounding the central nervous system. Cerebrospinal fluid circulates between these layers.

So we have some fluid that has accumulated in this brain area but the report does include a description of this fluid nor any possible cause for the fluids accumulation.


B.    Mild diffuse brain swelling without herniation syndrome
Diffuse - spread out not concentrated in one place
herniation syndrome -Inter cranial pressure

So we have mild spread out swelling within the brain without any pressure but such swelling is an indication of some sort of head and/or brain injury. Yet there are no outward indications of any head injury occurring and no explanation for this swelling is given in the report.


Page 45: Stomach Contents
SERVICE                   DRUG              LEVELS UNITS
Bases                      Lidocaine          1.6       mg
Propofol                  Propofol             0.13    mg

Again I do not know a lot about forensics but if propofol was being administered intravenously and lidocaine is given at an injection site how did they get in to the actual stomach contents, was he sipping on them?

Propofol is found throughout the blood, tissue, fluids samples etc. There seems to be a problem with this scenario though.

The most important advantage of propofol is its rapid onset and offset of action. This behavior of a "rapid on, rapid off" feature, not available with the intravenous opiates or benzodiazepines, accounts for the increasing popularity of propofol. Because the onset of action after a single dose is rapid, and its effect brief (~ 10-15 minutes) due to high lipophilicity and central nervous system penetration, propofol is given only by continuous infusion when used for sedation. Propofol is a complex drug that actually has three half-lives. Its a half-life, the distribution of the drug from the blood to the tissues after intravenous administration, is very short, perhaps 2 to 3 minutes. The ß half-life of the drug, which is basically the elimination half-life, ranges from 30 to 60 minutes. The half-life, or terminal half-life, during which the drug is eliminated from the third compartment, or tissue fat, ranges from 300 to 700 minutes. Clearance is by hepatic elimination.  The large contribution of (about 50%) to the fall of plasma levels means that after very long infusions (at steady state), only about half the initial is needed to maintain the same plasma levels. The large volume of distribution normally seen in the septic or injured host, in combination with the lessened ability to clear the drug in the elderly, can result in a prolonged recovery phase of days due to drug accumulation. Failure to the infusion rate in patients receiving propofol for extended periods may result in excessively high blood concentrations of the drug. Thus, titration to clinical response and daily evaluation of sedation levels are important during extended use of propofol in the ICU.
http://http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/410884_3

Propofol is given intravenously infusing this drug slowly over a period of time to maintain the anaesthetic effects and it is being continuously and quickly removed by the body. So either it built up over time in the blood or a big dose was given at once for there to be such a traceable amount found in all these tissues and fluids. There is also one other possibility... The propofol was poured into/onto blood and tissues samples after they were taken. If this is the case then explains why propofol and lidocaine were both found in the stomach contents.

I am going to reread it again and see if i notice anything else that seems unusual. I will get back to you on this.

wow awesome job!!! good work :))
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

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There are few other things that i find rather strange in this report:

The short curly hair (we saw MJ in the ambulance with long straight hair...And no it can't be a wig, a day before he was rehearsing and he had a pony tail.)

The finger nails........the coroner never mentioned it but he did not have healthy nails.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 20, 2010, 05:23:52 AM
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There are few other things that i find rather strange in this report:

The short curly hair (we saw MJ in the ambulance with long straight hair...And no it can't be a wig, a day before he was rehearsing and he had a pony tail.)

The finger nails........the coroner never mentioned it but he did not have healthy nails.
Just for the record...why do you say it can't be a wig?
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

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Well, as i said above, a day before his "death"" he was rehearsing and he had a long straight hair. And to me it was his real hair and not a wig.
Secondly, it seems strange to put a wig on top of the priority list, while getting somebody out of the house into the ambulance.......

And if you saw the ambulance photo he had a long straight hair at the time he was taken to the hospital.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

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I posted this in another thread but as there seem to be multiple threads about this and this one is the most popular, I will post it here too:

I have been looking over this report and so far a few things that have stood out that seem odd:


Page 1: Facial Hair - Unshaven
unshaven - not shaved
shaved, shaven - having the beard or hair cut off close to the skin

Page 14: A moustache and beard are absent

He looked clean shaven to me in the ambulance photograph...
So someone gave him a shave between the initial examination and the autopsy?


Page 3: I preformed an external body examination at the hospital on 6/25/09. The body was positively identified as Michael Joseph Jackson by visual comparison to his California drivers license on 6/25/09.

If this identification was taking place at the hospital, there were many family members present etc why would identification be made using his drivers license? not just that, the next one too...

Page 15: The body was not clothed and no clothing is available for review.

If he was unclothed, where did the drivers licence come from that was used to identify him? It is not like he had pockets to have this item on him at the time. It also seems unlikely it would have been a priority to locate this piece of identification during the efforts to revive him.

I do not know Michael personally but didn't he wear pyjamas a lot? Why would he not have some garment on as he was a modest, shy man and especially as Murray was supposed to be watching over him during the entire "induced sleep". There seemed to be many other medical supplies present why not a hospital gown at least? IDK seems odd...


Page 18: Residual Brain tissue is released to the mortuary 7-8-09.

So if the brain tissue was released 7-8-09 why was the internment ceremony (funeral) delayed until Sept 3. We were told that the family was awaiting the release of this tissue to proceed with his internment. The stories do not coincide.

Page 51: August 6, 2009at approximately 1300 hours I was notified by Chief of Laboratories Joseph Muto that a Coroner's Criminalist was requested to collect hair samples from the above listed decadent for potential toxicology testing.

The coroner had the body from June 25/09 and it appeared that the decedent may have died from drugs but they never took hair samples at the autopsy? I am not a forensic expert but you would think this would be something that would have been done at autopsy as someone who is a long time drug user would have deposits of these drugs in their hair follicles.

Page 51: The majority of the decedent was covered with multiple white towels/sheets leaving only the hands and the top of the head exposed.

I have never heard of anyone being placed in a casket covered by such items. Could the criminalist not distinguish between whether these where towels or sheets? I mean seriously towel and sheet material are 2 completely different things and what purpose did they serve? The criminalist mentions moving the wig but not the sheet/towel items covering the face, how does he even know he is taking hair samples from the right body?

Nowhere are there any test results for the hair samples that were taken included in this report...
A big deal seems to be made about substances on the hair and some sort of adhesive on the head but we see no results of any tests or anything.


Page 3: Scene description - Various medical supplies including a box a catheters...Also at the foot of the bed,there was a closed bottle of urine atop a chair.
Body Examination - There was also an external urine catheter present.

Ok so when this supposed home infusion of anaesthetic was taking place, a catheter was being used to collect urine. Nowhere in the report does it say that this catheter was attached to any sort of collection bag. We have a bottle of urine which has been closed and capped sitting there, nothing is described as having been attached to it etc. TMZ peeing in cups story anyone?

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A.  Mild cerebral vascular congestion
Cerebral - relating to the brain
Vascular - vessels that conduct and circulate fluids
Congestion - accumulation of blood or other fluid in a body part

Page 26: There is a mild degree of leptomeningeal vascular congestion.
Leptomeningeal - the meninges; membranes surrounding the central nervous system. Cerebrospinal fluid circulates between these layers.

So we have some fluid that has accumulated in this brain area but the report does include a description of this fluid nor any possible cause for the fluids accumulation.


B.    Mild diffuse brain swelling without herniation syndrome
Diffuse - spread out not concentrated in one place
herniation syndrome -Inter cranial pressure

So we have mild spread out swelling within the brain without any pressure but such swelling is an indication of some sort of head and/or brain injury. Yet there are no outward indications of any head injury occurring and no explanation for this swelling is given in the report.


Page 45: Stomach Contents
SERVICE                   DRUG              LEVELS UNITS
Bases                      Lidocaine          1.6       mg
Propofol                  Propofol             0.13    mg

Again I do not know a lot about forensics but if propofol was being administered intravenously and lidocaine is given at an injection site how did they get in to the actual stomach contents, was he sipping on them?

Propofol is found throughout the blood, tissue, fluids samples etc. There seems to be a problem with this scenario though.

The most important advantage of propofol is its rapid onset and offset of action. This behavior of a "rapid on, rapid off" feature, not available with the intravenous opiates or benzodiazepines, accounts for the increasing popularity of propofol. Because the onset of action after a single dose is rapid, and its effect brief (~ 10-15 minutes) due to high lipophilicity and central nervous system penetration, propofol is given only by continuous infusion when used for sedation. Propofol is a complex drug that actually has three half-lives. Its a half-life, the distribution of the drug from the blood to the tissues after intravenous administration, is very short, perhaps 2 to 3 minutes. The ß half-life of the drug, which is basically the elimination half-life, ranges from 30 to 60 minutes. The half-life, or terminal half-life, during which the drug is eliminated from the third compartment, or tissue fat, ranges from 300 to 700 minutes. Clearance is by hepatic elimination.  The large contribution of (about 50%) to the fall of plasma levels means that after very long infusions (at steady state), only about half the initial is needed to maintain the same plasma levels. The large volume of distribution normally seen in the septic or injured host, in combination with the lessened ability to clear the drug in the elderly, can result in a prolonged recovery phase of days due to drug accumulation. Failure to the infusion rate in patients receiving propofol for extended periods may result in excessively high blood concentrations of the drug. Thus, titration to clinical response and daily evaluation of sedation levels are important during extended use of propofol in the ICU.
http://http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/410884_3

Propofol is given intravenously infusing this drug slowly over a period of time to maintain the anaesthetic effects and it is being continuously and quickly removed by the body. So either it built up over time in the blood or a big dose was given at once for there to be such a traceable amount found in all these tissues and fluids. There is also one other possibility... The propofol was poured into/onto blood and tissues samples after they were taken. If this is the case then explains why propofol and lidocaine were both found in the stomach contents.

I am going to reread it again and see if i notice anything else that seems unusual. I will get back to you on this.

wow awesome job!!! good work :))

Good job ;)  typical tmz  another big BS story :roll:
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

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Help,

unfortunately I`m not able to read the full Coroner`s report.
It doesn`t work. :cry:
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

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Help,

unfortunately I`m not able to read the full Coroner`s report.
It doesn`t work. :cry:
Where does it go wrong?
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

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Quote from: "Sabine"
Help,

unfortunately I`m not able to read the full Coroner`s report.
It doesn`t work. :cry:
Where does it go wrong?

I always see a blank screen, maybe it`s a problem with my pc, I don`t know.
It seems like opening the pdf., but then nothing appears. ???
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

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Propofol in the stomach?
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 20, 2010, 04:36:01 PM
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Quote from: "Sabine"
Help,

unfortunately I`m not able to read the full Coroner`s report.
It doesn`t work. :cry:
Where does it go wrong?

I always see a blank screen, maybe it`s a problem with my pc, I don`t know.
It seems like opening the pdf., but then nothing appears. ???
Hard to tell from a distance what the problem is. Often it takes a while for the pdf to load, you might try that
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 20, 2010, 05:25:11 PM
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Well, as i said above, a day before his "death"" he was rehearsing and he had a long straight hair. And to me it was his real hair and not a wig.
Secondly, it seems strange to put a wig on top of the priority list, while getting somebody out of the house into the ambulance.......

And if you saw the ambulance photo he had a long straight hair at the time he was taken to the hospital.

He didnt have "long straight" hair in the ambo picture..  its an illusion that the paramedics knee makes to the picture.
The "hair" that you see sweeping across MJs forhead is in fact the knee of the paramedic.

If you look at the base of the neck, you will see it is curly hair.

Ive attached a photo
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 21, 2010, 02:42:50 PM
@sk2001

In addition to your analysis (which is very good, BTW), I found this: to the PHOTOGRAPHY Chapter, see the point 8:



Really, is such an important sample of the police investigation, the Stokes litter of the helicopter?  :?
Plus, these photos was taken on july 23?  :?:  :?:
I dont see a good reason for that.
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

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@sk2001

In addition to your analysis (which is very good, BTW), I found this: to the PHOTOGRAPHY Chapter, see the point 8:



Really, is such an important sample of the police investigation, the Stokes litter of the helicopter?  :?
Plus, these photos was taken on july 23?  :?:  :?:
I dont see a good reason for that.


what do you mean?  :cry:
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

  • on: February 22, 2010, 02:33:50 AM
I mean: why they took photos to the Stokes litter (stretcher) of the helicopter?
It`s an important part of police investigation?
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Re: TMZ just obtained full LA County Coroner's report

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I mean: why they took photos to the Stokes litter (stretcher) of the helicopter?
It`s an important part of police investigation?
What do you mean with Stokes?
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If it can be proven he did not wear a wig at the last rehearsal recordings, there's proof he and the person in the AR are not the same or that the AR is forged. Would be as simple as that
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Quite sure he was wearing wigs but no I can't prove it...
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Quite sure he was wearing wigs but no I can't prove it...
i'm sure he wore wigs too.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM7UPfMjuUY
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Yes he wore wigs but the question is did he need to wear one the week before 25th.

The Lupus may cause baldness or bald spots at any time but it is reversible; the hair can grow back. Meaning, he may not have needed to wear one always.
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Why would Michael have implants, crown and teeth restorations? He seems to have such healthy, strong teeth. I asked many people who have much worse teeth, full of cheap fillings and none of them have missing teeth. How would M. loose 2 teeth? With american dentistry, and unlimited access to money.

It sometimes seems like they took someone's report and added Michael's known conditions to it.

What also bothers me, where Murray gets money for travelling and lawers? It must be huge amount. Any ideas?
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Murray gets money for travelling and lawers from MJ theres no other way he can get this huge amount
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Besides, the autopsy report states that there was a dark liquid in his stomach. Any ideas what this could be? And why didn't they analyze or describe this "dark liquid?"  :x
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And why was there a 4 inches long scar at his neck???
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Quote from: "forlove"
Why would Michael have implants, crown and teeth restorations? He seems to have such healthy, strong teeth. I asked many people who have much worse teeth, full of cheap fillings and none of them have missing teeth. How would M. loose 2 teeth? With american dentistry, and unlimited access to money.

It sometimes seems like they took someone's report and added Michael's known conditions to it.

What also bothers me, where Murray gets money for travelling and lawers? It must be huge amount. Any ideas?

If you look at his teeth in pictures it is obvious he has had lots of work done on them as they are so straight and white.

Ive also had work done on my teeth and i have two teeth in my upper jaw missing as i had them removed, so the rest of them could be aligned and straightened up...  so it is possible that MJ had missing teeth and caps and implants.
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And why was there a 4 inches long scar at his neck???

Cosmetic neck lift?
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And why was there a 4 inches long scar at his neck???

Cosmetic neck lift?
probably not, cosmetic neck lift incisions are made around ears and under chin... I'm thinking it has something to do with surgery on the muscles or tendons of the neck...possibly to alliviate headaches or something going on there....hmmm.
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Quote from: "MJ_Facts"
And why was there a 4 inches long scar at his neck???
Michael has been said to have the discoid variant of Lupus.
The point with Lupus is, it can leave nasty scars from skin inflammations. So any scars he had may have been caused by Lupus.

Some useful background info on Lupus:
http://www.uklupus.co.uk/lsymp.html
Have a look at what it can do just to the skin.
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Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
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Why would Michael have implants, crown and teeth restorations? He seems to have such healthy, strong teeth. I asked many people who have much worse teeth, full of cheap fillings and none of them have missing teeth. How would M. loose 2 teeth? With american dentistry, and unlimited access to money.

It sometimes seems like they took someone's report and added Michael's known conditions to it.

What also bothers me, where Murray gets money for travelling and lawers? It must be huge amount. Any ideas?

If you look at his teeth in pictures it is obvious he has had lots of work done on them as they are so straight and white.

Ive also had work done on my teeth and i have two teeth in my upper jaw missing as i had them removed, so the rest of them could be aligned and straightened up...  so it is possible that MJ had missing teeth and caps and implants.
Not neccesarily, you can have naturally straight and white teeth.
Michael had the same perfect teeth when he was younger, white, straight. He could lit a room in the dark with it as a matter of speaking. Due to higher vulnerability, lesser dental hygiene or substances such as medications (e.g., antibiotics) teeth can decay.
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